That's counting the sub 300 player they just took as a practice body too. But hey, they signed some 5 stars!
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JayHawkFanToo said:
Do any of the elite programs have any scholarships left? We know that KU is pretty much tapped out and I imagine most of the other major programs are as well. Wherever Duval chooses to go, there is a good chance that someone on that team will have to give up his scholarship which will result in bad chemistry. Not the best way to join a program but OADs don't seem to care much about anybody else.
Room would be made for Duval. That said he isn't coming to Lawrence.
Duke has LOTS of room I believe. Assuming Frank Jackson stays in the draft Duke has like 9 scholarship players.
I'd rather see no poster get ran off in most cases and certainly not jaybate. He handled it poorly. Instead of going back to wiki to check, or checking their conference site he just kept posting in his usual verbose style (and hey, that's how he wants to post so that's fine). It's extremely easy to check. So I was hoping that by posting the link and the teams in the conference, that said part of the discussion could be over.
How many non-UK draft picks does the SEC typically have? Of course this all could change soon, as the SEC has become way more serious about competing in basketball.
One weaker recruiting year and you'd think the world was ending.
Duke, UK, Arizona, UNC. These are the programs that typically, consistently recruit better than KU. Historic programs, with HOF coaches (cept the whale who may get there). Programs, that, Duke aside have had down stretches with a lame coach in the last 20 years.
More with less? Villanova just recently won a title with Jalen Brunson and a bunch of guys ranked in the 60-80s. Self could absolutely consistently get players in that ranking range to KU if he targeted them early instead of chasing the top 15. So, the philosophical approach is to blame as well. When you go against the big dogs, sometimes you are left scrapping. This year was somewhat different though, as Self lost two PGs to the home school and Chaundee Brown respected the fact that Wake had been recruiting him for years (kind of like how KU had shown interest in Preston since the 8th grade but not that extreme).
I would agree that in Self's system, it's not ideal to start a bunch of FR.
We should see how recruiting shakes out in 18 and 19. Self can usually sign guys when he has PT available.
BeddieKU23 said:
Its been great seeing Self become flexible with his recruiting, he's adapted.
I think he realizes that you take what is available nowadays. Getting the top kids out of HS is becoming even more of a crap-shoot. If your recruiting a top player and you have a player returning that could reasonably be resistance to that incoming freshman for playing time, forget about it. This cycle is a perfect example of that for KU.
I've started to see all these transfers in the thought that Self didn't want them going somewhere else. Newman, Lawson's, Cunliffe, Moore these are all guys that any program would have wanted playing for them. Self has struck "transfer gold"
Plus he wanted to avoid a super young team next year.
Let's say he adds a random hs guard, wing and pf instead of the transfers this year. We could have been looking at trying to get 3-4 starters out of the 18 class.
Now instead PF is set and PG could be set depending on what we see from the 18 class. Wing should already be covered even if Vick goes pro. Now only the 2 and 5 potentially and it's not a given that Doke will go.
I don't think it's just that jaybate was wrong but how he handles responding to it.
You can go to caasports.com (much more official than Wikipedia, which while correct listed former members which somehow confused Jaybate) and hover over a tab that says members to see
College of Charleston
Delaware
Drexel
Elon
Hofstra
James Madison
UNCW
Northeastern
Towson
William & Mary
I know some aren't as good with computers but it takes 10 seconds.
If Duval goes to Seton Hall the Duke sites would implode.
jayballer54 said:
Another kid to watch that we have been talking with a 2019 to go with Markese class. - -6'8 Isaiah Stewart also out of New York Rochester.
Of course the normal we are recruiting against - -Duke, N Carolina and us -says he really wants to hear from us that's a good thing. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Doesn't seem that likely given how deep KU is in with JRE, Chandler Lawson, Matt Hurt etc...
Watched what I could find of Marcedus Leech. I take it all back, no way he could be the odd man out. He might actually be a guard, very good handle for being 6'6''. His ceiling is unreal.
JayHawkFanToo said:
I am not sure if this has already been mentioned but apparently Chandler Lawson, AKA the "third" brother was offfered a schoolie by KU. ↗ several other offers are mentioned in the article.
Yep. His dad might be moving to Lawrence to coach HS bball too. Wrap it up if that's the case.
BeddieKU23 said:
We've mentioned this kid before.
Jalen Carey 2018 combo guard from NY received a KU offer. Slater and Meyer CB'd him to KU. If Slater knows something that would be something to watch.. Carey is very good! Typical Self guard.
Also to mention, he's having a very good spring in AAU. 6'3 Top 50'ish type IMO
I was coming to post that Carey got his KU offer. I'm not surprised. I'd guess he could commit today if he wanted to. I would assume there is always a spot for Grimes, and then first to commit of Dotson/Carey/etc...
I don't think Duke would offer Carey as they should land their top targets, same with UK. So I could definitely see KU being his top offer.
Wow Kevin Knox to Kentucky. They have 1 million forwards now.
wissox said:
I think his brother just backed out of his commit to Southern Illinois. The day I saw them play, the brother was the better player. Both have transferred to a different HS as well, from one charter to another.
Yeah I mentioned in another thread recently his brother didn't have the shooting ability wanted for a HM. I would imagine he took the prep year to hopefully show improved shooting and get better offers. He already has had a few roll in that are better than SIU. I would imagine it's quite possible that he would show out better, especially since he is 2 years older and a hard worker. A lot of it with rankings is trying to project how they translate to college and Markese is lightning quick which can't be taught. I think it would be awesome if Demarius improved enough to get a KU offer.
Yeah the $EC started giving a shit about basketball recently.
Whoa. Yeah very odd. Can't see him becoming the starting QB there.
2020 PG from Newton. Electric. Already has KSU and Creighton offers. KU should offer soon.
Local talent for 19/20 is legit.
approxinfinity said:
Alright. I got TWO WORDS FOR YOU GUYS.
PERRY. ELLIS.
Whip out the ol Perry playbook.
I think offensively, Jack's got more than a little Perry in him.
I think we should be very please if he plays 10-15 minutes a night and put up like 9/5.
BeddieKU23 said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
If we are to take what Matt is saying we are not getting Tilmon.. Not even a visit..
His "KU is in it for Duval" has changed to "would be surprised if he picked KU". So shocking.
I missed this, where is it?
- Basically saying he thought Tilmon would visit but sounds like that's not happening or not likely on the books right now. Things may change but there wasn't much confidence in that post.
About as negative as he gets lol.
As for your next post at this point it sure seems like Svi is gone. I'd love to see Coleby stay for post depth.
Interesting position label he gave himself.
Also I'm not saying what Oubre did was right, but Olynyk is one of the dirtiest player in the league. Top 10 easy.
Didn't think he had it in him. Maybe Kieff is rubbing off on him. That game was a melee.
BeddieKU23 said:
His "KU is in it for Duval" has changed to "would be surprised if he picked KU". So shocking
Mystery of the century revealed.
At least he was pretty straight forward in that post. The bit about KU not being done if Tilmon/Duval go elsewhere combined with other bits makes it seem like Svi is leaving and so is Coleby.
Not sure if already posted but Whitman will be on full scholarship.
jayballer54 said:
@BShark Brothers? - -I thought they only had one ? -- Ya if they move to Lawrence for sure won't hurt. Plus you would think they have an in road with the cousin who is suppose to be pretty good too. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
https://future150.com/jr/basketball-profiles/jonathan-lawson-sf-2021-memphis-tn ↗
Crimsonorblue22 said:
We don't want daddy Ball 2
There is only one daddy Ball.
Yeah if it goes sideways in the middle of the season they are playing it could create a bad situation where KU already took Chandler and their cousin and targets like Leech and Hurt went elsewhere. Hopefully not.
Kcmatt7 said:
If this redshirt transfer season goes well, we set ourselves up a nice little recruiting pipeline. In theory we could have 4 from the Lawson family on one team right? Providing Dedric doesn't turn pro after his first year here and they are as tight with their cousin as a lot of people believe.
Jeffries has a KU offer. All the way back from last July actually. Top 10 prospect.
And yeah in theory KU could have 4 at once on the roster.
KU has sooo many ins for the 2019 class. I really like Marcedus Leech but he might be an odd man out.
@jayballer54 Yeah. The cousin lives elsewhere but the brothers would move with the dad and dominate HS ball here. Also you have to imagine it would all but seal them coming to KU.
Yes please.
HighEliteMajor said:
Who is better, Juiston or Whitman? If the difference is arguable, then the route we went (Lawsons + Whitman) seems the best path. Because as mentioned above, the only way get Juiston is if we don't get the Lawsons.
The way it is now, we're national title contenders both years.
Exactly the Lawson family vs Juiston, it's a no brainer if it was in fact and either/or.
Also @Crimsonorblue22 Charlie Moore is a great addition. Thrilled to have him, will probably become a fan favourite.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@dylans I'm not feeling great about about it. I want tarik black! I'm happy w/Newman, just unsure about the rest. I can see and I hear great things about Newman fitting in w/team.
BeddieKU23 said:
Another interesting note. ASU signed another transfer Zylan Cheatham from San Diego St the other day, plays the same position as Carlton and is pretty good. Carlton might not even start there..
Makes sense because they are desperate for bodies but sucks for Carlton.
approxinfinity said:
@kjayhawks No trouble at all. This is what liberation from the OAD puppy mill feels like. We want players that are tough, have some context, come here to work hard, to get better, to win. I think every one of these transfers understand what KU basketball is about. I expect we will be tough as hell.
For the 5 star freshman or lower recruited freshman that is tough enough and strong enough to be at Kansas like Josh or Frank, we need you too. But for the most part, give me Bill Self's version of Transfer U. I'm all in.
Honestly I don't think this is the plan going forward but when you look at every incoming transfer they all make sense.
Newman - top 10 (even if slightly overrated) guard talent that is an electric scorer. Can't turn that down.
Cunliffe - very athletic but needs good coaching. I'm on the fence with this one but if this staff turns him into a basketball player, he has a high ceiling.
Charlie Moore - tough and crafty PG. Gets rid of the need to take a bunch of guards in the weak 2018 class. Better than most 2018 guards KU can realistically get and will have a year in the program.
Lawsons - Dedric is an absolute stud and the kind of player that should be targeted by the staff frequently. A very good player with an NBA deficiency like Frank and Perry. Add in the fact that they have 3 other family members that are all top 25 players in the pipeline and it's easy to see why KU took them and why even Duke was involved.
Jack Whitman - Needed another post player. 1 year rental so worst case he just doesn't contribute but imo he becomes the #3 post player next year.
So I think while it isn't the plan going forward, Self is never going to turn down talent. Honestly I believe KU got the two best transfer adds this offseason in the Lawsons and Moore.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark I wouldn't say assured! Plus the bird in the hand this year.
Dedric is much much more talented than Juiston. Juiston is a lot tougher though. I think he would have been a back-up each year, but one that got, say, 20 minutes a game.
Far too early. Need to see how good Bender is and if the oline has improved.
BeddieKU23 said:
kjayhawks said:
Well this really surprised me, I figured if we were to sneak in a big it would be from the Jusiton kid. Clearly that ship has sailed. This kid looks to be better that Coleby and Lightfoot right now. He will be in the rotation without question. Looks to have great foot work and hands, someone that Doka could learn a lot from and has a fair amount of D1 PT. Bill Self pulls a rabbit outta a hat again.
Definitely the ship sailed on Juiston after the Lawson's came on board. Handler's got involved with Shakur anyway and put him at UNLV..
Whitman might be better anyway from what this team needs. He's bigger, athletic enough around the hoop and has D1 experience which Shakur didn't have. We can probably interchange him at both the 4 and 5 spots in lineups which is another advantage.
Honestly you really just never know how a JUCO will translate. Juiston sounded like a plus version of Jamari but it's hard to say how he would have done at KU. And yeah the Lawsons coming in assured he wouldn't start his SR year and he wants minutes. He would have got big minutes at ISU too of course. ISU and MSU both struck out quite a bit late. People can say what the will about Bill but he typically at least closes late if not sometimes early.
Michigan State people are very confident he will end up there. Some kind of family tie as well iirc.
Landen gave his heart and soul to KU but in an ideal world he was never a starter.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Don't we play asu there and then home?
Yes. I would think it factored into Bragg's decision.
Guard rotation is DG/Newman/Vick/Garrett/Cunliffe. That's really good, mostly proven D1 talent.
Big rotation was Udoka/Preston/lol/????? This guys steps in and should become the #3 big.
Lulufulu said:
You guys, I still don't understand why we got this guy. I mean don't we need a guard more than a big right now?
No.
Good move for Bragg imo. ASU is desperate for bodies especially post bodies.
BucknellJayhawk3 said:
Hmm how did he only get 22 min a game at W&L? Looks like he gets a few offensive rebounds every game, that bodes well.
Foul issues.
Kcmatt7 said:
@HighEliteMajor Agreed. I'm pretty sure I did a ton of analysis two years ago trying to see if there was a way stats could prove LL was our most effective post player. Couldn't find anything to support it, and actually saw that Diallo was more effective per minute than LL. Significantly more effective...
I wish we had played Diallo more. But I think I'm in the minority with that.
Argh Diallo talk again, this is still bothersome for me so I'll keep it short.
I think Diallo should have played more. Definitely instead of Jamari. Sure he was rather lost on the court most of the time, but he had the ability to make up for it. With more playing time, the hope would have been he would figure some things out. Some players just need the actual game time instead of practice, maybe this was the case with Diallo, but sadly we will never know. I think the biggest issue was his offense. He was easily determined as a net positive on D despite his lapses. His offense was worrisome, probably a net negative and I think he felt he had to shoot more often than he should have.
HighEliteMajor said:
Whitman looks better than Coleby. Obviously more athletic. All based solely on the video and the numbers/stats. Is he really better than Coleby?
Probably, but we won't know for sure until we see him in a KU uniform. I'm not convinced Coleby's knee could hold out for 20 minutes a game. Coleby was like that kid on the little league team who when he actually did anything positive, everyone was extremely happy for him. Coleby's one, actually good game was the Texas game. He was just kind of...there in the Georgia, UK and Purdue games. So yeah, I would hope this kid is better. At the very least, he has two healthy knees.
The other big key about grad transfers is they are such low risk. It's like a one year contract in baseball.
Agree on the guards, Sexton would have been an electric signing. Young would have made KU boards happy, but he was never a great fit. Not saying I didn't want him, because he would have been a fine add, but he reminded me of Frankamp.
I'm not big on Cunliffe. I think the staff has a lot of work to do there.
Garrett looks like a great multi-year addition to me. If he does blow up and show he can play PG, it might only be 2 years though.