Rivals had an update to 2019 rankings.
Primary Targets
Hurt#6, JRE #10, Williamson #34, McBride #110 (HUGE jump)
Others Targets
Wiseman #2, Anthony, #3, Achiuwa #8, Green #11, Watford #16, Cockburn #30, Stanley #33, Nnaji #37, Quinones #46, Walker #77, Jones #79, Lawson #88, Braun #113
Frank made the team! Couldn't happen to a better person
JayHawkFanToo said:
I will guess that KU was hoping for restitution and a few games suspension vis-a-vis the car but, once the FBI investigation was uncovered, KU was blindsided by the potential extent.
Absolutely, the updates provided by Self seemed optimistic. I think we talked extensively as a group about "time served" as the season went on being a sufficient suspension. The NCAA works in mysterious ways as we all know.
That was the PR "your not coming" back move. He was caught up in the FBI stuff. I don't think Smart was taking him back
Didn't see JRE's visit schedule listed...
1st up was Notre Dame last weekend
Villanova (Sept. 14), North Carolina (Sept. 21), Kansas (Sept. 28), and Arizona (Oct. 12). I thought KU was going to be the last visit. Looks like the squid gets the last pitch, ugh
Wow Nico Mannion cut Duke & Villanova. Down to Arizona and Marquette..
Looks like Nnaji wants to decide by December as well. Lots of interest in him, will be interesting to see if KU gets one of his officials
Davis went pro.
If Jones is ready to start the season I see a lineup of Coleman, Jones, Roach, Osetkowski, Sims. If Jones is eased into competition slide in Mitrou-Long into the starting lineup. That 4 man backcourt can compete with anyone in the Big-12 but only if all 4 are the best versions of themselves. I was never high on Roach but he improved a lot last season and I see him carrying the team as a senior.
I have no idea how good the freshman are. 4 top 100 kids, you figure at least one can contribute high level minutes. They will be a young squad when going to their bench
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 If he can mostly be the same player he was, they have great back court depth. If Courtney Ramey has to be the 4th guard and they basically don't have a 5th guard* that really impacts their rotations and ability to keep guys fresh.
*Febres and Mitrou-Long are not good enough
Interesting I thought Mitrou-Long was pretty good as a Soph. He averaged 15 ppg in 6 games against P5 competition (West Virginia, Iowa St, Minnesota, Michigan, Arkansas, Villanova) being the competition. Had 14 against West Virginia, 19 against Iowa St
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BeddieKU23 said:
I like that you have West Virginia 6th. I just have a hard time putting them higher with their guard options being so limited. They are going to rely on Ahmad, West & Punkate a ton.
It could bite me because they have been consistent under Huggins but I just don't see how they are near the top of the league with that back court.
If Huggins makes this team work he definitely earns his checks. I know he was high on Doomes who had to sit last season. Beetle and Harler are nothing special, Beetle can score some but he's nothing like Carter/Miles. My Brewster friend has good things to say about Culver who should be ahead of the curve a little bit taking that post-grad year to work on his academics.
Good for him, I hope is able to return. How effective he will be after what he went through is another story. Big inspiration for the team
I like that you have West Virginia 6th. I just have a hard time putting them higher with their guard options being so limited. They are going to rely on Ahmad, West & Punkate a ton.
Tech will be fine, they won’t replicate last years success but its still a team capable of competing in the league and making the tournament.
Evans & Zaire Smith are tough to replace. Their biggest issue will be at PG. If the backup Moretti hasn’t improved a good bit they will struggle. It’s not a stretch to say they have the weakest PG position in the league. Evans was in the mold of Frank Mason for his team. They don’t have a Devonte waiting in the wings.
Culver is being mocked in the first round of the draft right now. Owens and Mooney are grad transfers that will likely start. I thought Francis showed some flashes of why he was a Top 40 recruit out of HS and should have a bigger role this season. I don't see a true power forward on the squad which really hurts them. I bet they are hoping Top 50 recruit Khavon Moore can fill that Zaire Smith role and downgrade the need for two true posts. Odiase returns for his 15th season. One time KU target years back Corphew ends up here. Seems like a Beard special!
Is Andrew Jones a possibility to return to Texas? That would change things for them potentially. 9 guys freshman or Soph so their's a boom or bust potential with them. With Smart, the smart money is always on bust but we’ll see
TCU is the team that has the highest ceiling I think of the others. Until we see what their frontcourt looks like its hard to say what they will do. 5 guys who haven’t played are in the mix. They will have plenty of depth but as usual I expect 1-2 guys to redshirt.
You beat me to it! Going to move some responses over
I don't trust Smart to make them a good offensive team. Just look what he couldn't do with Allen and Bamba. The Coleman/Long/Roach backcourt could be salty though. I thought Sims flashed as well. They still have Slow O (Osetkowski) in the post
approxinfinity said:
I've got a friend at work who is an Iowa State fan. He's optimistic they won't be the bottom feeder this year and thinks they can win twice against Texas. I don't share his optimism.
They should be better, a couple of key transfers eligible. Wigginton & Lard are 1st team Big-12 candidates. Their starting 5 is better then OU, OSU, Tech & Baylor. Should be interesting to see what Prohm does with talent
TCU grabbed a couple of 4 star perimeter players over the weekend. Dixon continues to recruit at a high level. So far the Big-12 really hasn't done much in 2019 recruiting
Loving the Duke board's meltdown over recruiting. With Isiah Stewart looking wide open in his recruitment or trending away from Duke that is one entitled salty bunch over there! The loss of Capel is sinking in, for now. I know it won't last but its fun to see them freaking out
JayHawkFanToo said:
They have to considering how much audience they have lost.
Yupp, their terrible business decisions equal customers footing the bill. Nothing new
JayHawkFanToo said:
Preston had been declared eligible until KU found something odd about his car and reported it to the NCAA. As far as I remember, Preston was really not declared ineligible by the NCAA, in an abundance of caution KU simply chose not to play him waiting for a ruling from the NCAA which did not come and once Preston left it became moot. Same case with Alexander who was never really declared ineligible but probably would have been given enough time.
You noted the difference in the situations, KU self reported the issues with Preston.
Update on a prospect KU has kept in contact with. Kai Jones has visited Florida St and now will visit Syracuse. I'm told from my Brewster friend that Cuse could seal the deal here
Looks like Minnesota out of the Matthew Hurt race. Not that they were considered a likely landing spot but with his brother on the team you never know. Minnesota grabbed Top 100 Power Forward Trace Jackson.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Yes it is. I used it last year under the free ESPN. Now they are just nickel and diming
The situations are not the same though which I think is important to consider here. Preston was ineligible to play after KU reported his issues. KU needed the NCAA to clear him, they never did and Billy ran off.
The distinction with Silvio at least to our knowledge currently is the fact Silvio is eligible. There's more to this story that's being kept private to the public which I have no issue with. I know fans and media would like to know whether Silvio and KU is free and clear in the FBI case + NCAA involvement (if any). Until there's a change in this I see Silvio playing. He's eligible, why would KU hold back if they have nothing to hide or fear? That last part is the most important, if they hold him out I see far more issues then just Silvio. KU would be conceding that there is an issue that is being investigated and that can of worms is one I'm hoping we can avoid.
Certainly there are situations we may see that especially if Doke is in foul trouble (inevitable). Given he has time to acclimate himself here with a full off-season I would expect he would be the first option off the bench. Mitch is another situational type player and McCormack I just expect he'll struggle adapting to defending at a level we would need consistently.
I hope he improves his defensive awareness and becomes more comfortable with all of KU's sets. There's no excuse this time around for Silvio. He had plenty of flashes as a sped-up freshman. If he's improved both area's he makes a formidable trio and gives Self the ability to specifically game plan for teams with Mitch/Dave
You nailed it!
I'm sure KU has behind the scenes done its due diligence here. We know Silvio won't play if there is any risk this blows back on the university. The program won't be sacrificed so he can suit up. There's grey area here I think regardless.
We will know our answer by November whether Self and the University plans to risk playing him. If he's out there I will place my support behind it. If he's sitting then that can of worms will definitely be open with speculation.
Silvio is good enough to start this season. Let that sink in.
If he gets to play (which I expect) he's coming off the bench unless injury (which we don't want). It will be interesting to see what he can give us in the rotation.. I'm thinking T-Rob Soph year or something like Tony Bradley gave UNC a few years back on the NC champ squad. You have a starter level player subbing in so there should be minimal drop-off overall when either Dedric or Doke leave the lineup.
Silvio is the key to post depth. He can play either forward position as we've seen. That makes him valuable in the rotation. I was impressed with his ability to impact the game last season. Let's hope he gets to show off his game again this year
Charlie Moore looking like a 7th grader still
BShark said:
Aggies are trending up while Texas still sucks. FSU was idiotic for letting Jimbo go.
Believe me he burned so many bridges. He quit on the team in October after a 2-5 start, stopped recruiting, started getting into arguments with fans etc. That relationship was toxic. Pissed off boosters which we all know will get you the can.
Look at what he left on the Offensive Line. KU's line might actually be a better unit. Until Taggart get's rid of Jimbo's players he's in survival mode
BShark said:
Kcmatt7 said:
So does Florida State
Man, can't believe they almost lost.
I can and I'm a diehard fan. Sad times
jayballer73 said:
@BeddieKU23 OK, so if I'm wanting to watch off my desktop I would just go to the ESPN site ? and it should list the ESPN plus right?
So if I pay the extra 5 dollars it might be on my TV with my other ESPN Packages? - -sorry - told you I was slow
When you go to www.espn.com its listed on the top below the scores to the right. You will have to purchase and set up and account and stay logged in, kind of like here.
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Maybe I'm wrong but I don't believe it will be on your tv unless ESPN + was something you can add to your cable package. For that information you would have to contact your cable provider. Safe bet is you can stream the games on your computer provided you have decent internet speeds. This will just be a seperate online streaming option for you. Lots of games will be on ESPN + especially when College Basketball gets rolling.
Depends on what device you would watch it on.
For phones & tablets its an ESPN app you download right onto your device that plays the games. For me I was always asked to enter my cable package information to login. After that it was just finding the game on the home screen.
For computers, ESPN has icons on the main page with "ESPN + and Watch"
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I believe they will ask you to sign up for an ESPN account, purchase ESPN + then login and you should be able to access the games right from there.
If you have other questions feel free to ask
About 13 programs including KU will be in to watch Lester Quinones, Top 100 guard.
This is the first time I've seen KU involved honestly. Most of the info I've seen on him involves Alabama, Memphis, Indiana.
I would be surprised if Watford picked a school outside of those 4 considering they have spent considerable time recruiting him since AAU.
Alabama was the first school to recruit him, not a surprise given he's a bama native. Watford's brother played at Indiana. Memphis under the new regime has put themselves right there and may even lead for him. FSU & LSU (he's unofficially visited) are looking for official visits.
We are visiting his school, its not a in-home as far as I can see.
I'm not going to speculate into this. Self does this every year.
KU will visit Trendon Watford, #22 ranked player, 6'9 PF from Alabama.
Memphis, Alabama, FSU, Indiana among others in this. First time I've seen KU making an effort
Good point. Not having players has been an issue. Playing 4 guards/wings also had a big impact the past few seasons.
Since that 16 season the defense has trended in the wrong direction, #24 & #47 (Kenpom). It's amazing to think the #47 ranked defense made it to the Final 4 last season.
It will be interesting to see what some of the new guys can do defensively. I know Dedric is a good to elite rebounder and so is his brother. Dedric can also protect the rim some which really adds an element we have lacked the past few seasons. Doke for his size is neither a good rebounder or rim protector. I don't expect that changes but there's always hope another off-season and some NBA motivation will do the trick. I think he lacks the instincts though so we get what we get with him.
Just having two legitimate post players above 6'9 in the lineup I think makes a big difference in how teams will be able to attack KU. We have depth and size to bring in past the starters. Our frontcourt reminds me of North Carolina a few years back. Tremendous advantage to have despite the game trending away from teams that rely on bigs
BShark said:
I actually worry more about the offense. I need to see this team in action.
Yeah it will be interesting to see how the pieces fit on offense. I'm actually not concerned about the offense overall but I do think its going to be a unit that progresses over the season. We have 10 guys who could start almost anywhere which is insane to think about. Self has always figured it out especially when he has the talent to work with.
The defense worries me more because Self teams have trended in the wrong direction for a few years now. Whether its rule changes or just the type of players he's been getting the defense has slipped. On paper we should see improvement. The Lawson's bring a physicality that was missing on both sides. Going back to a traditional 2 big lineup will just put more size on the floor. Maybe the biggest improvement defensively will be rebounding. I think this team can hover over 40 rebounds a game as a team. That hasn't happened in near a decade. I think the defense is the key to the season, we see improvements in certain area's and this is a no-brainer championship contender
We should have a top 10 offense. I'd like to see our defense there as well. There's no excuse for this squad to be subpar or an average defense with the athletes we have.
My gut says we get 2 of the 4 listed. JRE & Williamson sign in the fall
Hurt's recruitment goes into the spring and if Memphis has a good season that's going to be something to watch. I don't see any reason to worry about him until he actually decides what he's doing
The lack of Williamson updates has me thinking Commit W?
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I assume this is just Self playing the game. He knows he won't get Wiseman, but he has to play along.
Yupp, he's well versed in the game. Crazier things have happened but its unlikely
BShark said:
Self doing an in-home Visit with Wiseman on Tuesday.
WASTE
Jan 26th is the SEC/Big 12 Challenge @ Kentucky. TBA time, almost assuredly prime-time game
JAN 2 (WED) 8 P.M.VS
OKLAHOMA
JAN 5 (SAT) 4 P.M. @
IOWA STATE
JAN 9 (WED) 8 P.M.
VS
TCU
JAN 12 (SAT) 3 P.M.
BIG 12
@
BAYLOR
JAN 14 (MON) 8 P.M.
BIG 12
VS
TEXAS
JAN 19 (SAT) TBD
@
WEST VIRGINIA
JAN 21 (MON) 8 P.M.
VS
IOWA STATE
JAN 29 (TUE) 6 P.M.
@
TEXAS
FEB 2 (SAT) 3 P.M.
VS
TEXAS TECH
FEB 5 (TUE) 8 P.M.
@
KANSAS STATE
FEB 9 (SAT) 11 A.M.
VS
OKLAHOMA STATE
FEB 11 (MON) 8 P.M.
@
TCU
FEB 16 (SAT) TBA
VS
WEST VIRGINIA
FEB 23 (SAT) 5 OR 7 P.M.
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TEXAS TECH
FEB 25 (MON) 8 P.M.
VS
KANSAS STATE
MAR 2 (SAT) 11 A.M.
@
OKLAHOMA STATE
MAR 5 (TUE) 8 P.M.
@
OKLAHOMA
MAR 9 (SAT) 11 A.M.
VS
BAYLOR
transfer list approaching 8 hundred fitty. Crazzy times
Woodrow said:
Anyone hear how Williamson's visit went this weekend??
Crickets so far.. Choosing to take that as a positive!
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
@jayballer73 Duke is crashing and burning in this class so far which excites me...
I thought we'd see more people trying to spin this but I don't see it. The Capel loss certainly hit them here + Nova having a shiny trophy to sell. Nova is recruiting stupid right now and isn't done from everything I see
Yeah there is really no way to spin it.
For those that don't follow recruiting as closely and might just be thinking only of this miss well it's not just this. They also appear to be fading with Cole Anthony.
They will get Josiah James no doubt, but outside of that I don't know.
Spoke too soon, some are now saying a borderline Top 10 player is overrated. Gotta love it!