BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 If ever there was a year for something like this to happen, 2019 is pretty loaded with good options for KU at the 3/4.
Exactly, there's better talent to get then just taking an entire family worth of prospects. Achiuwa will play in the NBA. Hurt could as well if he develops physically. JRE, same boat.
Bring up Fran and you will really stir up the pot.
Good points he was good at VCU. I think he should have stayed there, he had a good gig but obviously he had dreams of moving up the ladder.
There are games that stick with fans no matter what. I think it gets worse when its a tournament game given our fragile history for exiting painfully.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 I felt like SDSU would be a bad matchup for a poor offensive team. KU absolutely beat their pants off just because we could shoot AND were more athletic than them. I think they would be scary to play if you struggled to score because they ARE going to score some points.
But I guess that's what makes it so hard to predict the tourney :joy:
Literally couldn't have more opposite opinions lol.
It was just my first thought that if they got matched up with a bad defensive team that maybe a team couldn't stop them from scoring and it becomes a shootout which they like to play. But I see a bad offensive team being a good matchup for them as well. To me one of the three likely teams to win a first round game with UNC Greensboro & potentially Vermont
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 Shoot, I was enjoying thinking the ACC's organization was even stupider than I had thought!
Me tooo
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 Has the Great Baller Idiot Shoe Family considered an exclusive endorsement/equipment/ sponsorship deal with Ball State? How could they miss this?
Guess they dropped-the-ball there. Lithuania must have had better views!
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 How can teams in the same conference not play at all in bb? That is just stupid. Once makes a little sense, zero times is nuts.
I misspoke they played once, Tech won the only meeting by 5
A true bubble game today at noon between Florida St & Louisville. Both teams need the win desperately to keep themselves within the field.
NC St can likely solidify a bid beating BC at 2pm
Arizona St must beat Colorado to keep its hopes alive. No team in the country has fallen further
7pm - OSU vs OU. KU's oppponent tomm.
Notre Dame tonight can keep its hopes alive beating Virginia Tech. Because of the ACC's 37 team league they did not play during the regular season.
Syracuse in normal fashion must beat UNC to keep on the bubble.
Later tonight Washington & Texas have must win games to stay alive.
Teams dancing after last night.
Gonzaga put a beatdown on BYU which helped the bubble.
Wright St put an end to 12 win Cleveland St's upset bid.
Charleston beat Northeastern in OT for a bid.
LIU Brooklyn upset Wagner in the final to steal a bid. LIU is 18-16 and a candidate for the first four.
South Dakota St beat South Dakota 97-87 in an exciting game that saw 102 points scored in the 2nd half. If South Dakota St catches a bad defensive team they can win a game.
Vermont made the final of the America East. Could be a 28 win team going into the tourney. Lost to Kentucky in Rupp by 4 in non-conference
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 beginning of the year they were definitely legit. And I know if DG went out for 5-6 games and let’s say Svi was out for 70% of the season but is back in time for the tourney, we as KU fans would want the committee to consider us a tournament team.
I’m not sure Colson is actually healthy or not. And I’m not sure hat ND should make the tourney. I’m just saying that if some of the small conferences that only produce 16 seeded teams were removed, we could open up a few more spots for teams like ND.
I agree if the foot was placed the other way I'm sure we'd be hoping the committee showed mercy. ND was legitimate in the beginning of the year but I don't see the same team anymore. Injuries obviously have thrown things off and ND came into the season with little depth because of some transfers. Tough season.
ND has 1 big win, Wichita St and nothing else. 7 straight losses in the ACC cannot be rewarded no matter the circumstance. They lost to Ball St.
FarmerJayhawk said:
@BeddieKU23 yeah, all but the ones currently on KU’s roster.
Ok that's fine. Wasn't that high on Chandler and not sure what the younger one will develop to be. Would love to see Penny steal Wiseman from Kentucky
Is ND really that good? I know Colson is back. They just barely beat the worst Power 5 school in the country yesterday. I need to see more before I'm convinced they belong. Between injuries, depth issues ND doesn't seem like a team that belongs and I think its asking way too much for the committee to bend over backwards to take into consideration the things that have happened when their resume lacks.
I'm just wondering why the SWAC conference exist if it annually is playing most of its non-conference season away from home just to pay the bills to keep the team afloat. Seems like a lot of these lower conferences become "pre-season" like games for the P5 conferences. Michigan St for example sure made good use of these types
Beard did a lot of what you have mentioned him doing when he came to Tech and I think he will continue to seek talent in any form.
He got Brandone Francis from Florida, a former Top 40 prospect who couldn't piss in an ocean while he was there. He has looked pretty good this year and looks poised for a big role next season. The other transfer was Tommy Hamilton who was okay at Depaul and has given Beard some really good rotation minutes stretching the defense this year. Niam Stevenson was a Juco transfer that helped last seasons squad and was assuming the PG duties while Evans was hurt this year.
He found local prospect Culver and unheralded Zhaire Smith, two foundations of this years team. Zhaire Smith has a chance to go in the NBA at some point IMO. Culver is going to be a great 4 year guard for Tech. He found Euro PG Morretti really late in the spring and he's given them back up PG minutes all season long. Tech might have been even better if their top Juco prospect Brangers hadn't left the team to be closer to home where he had an ill family member. Brangers was the top Juco shooter in the country playing on that team that emulated their system after the Golden State Warriors.
For next year Beard has three prospects that look poised to play immediately next season. Khavon Moore is the prize right now being a Top 75 recruit nationally who had Florida, OU, Alabama among others fighting for him. That's big when your bringing a Top 100 guy to Lubbock of all places. Kyler Edwards is probably one of the more underrated guards in HS, played at Findlay Prep and there's been some talk that he'll move up and have a chance to surprise some people. Corphew, a Juco transfer Wing had KU interest initially out of HS in the spring, went to Texas A&M for a year, dropped back down to Juco and now ends up with Beard.
So far one of key traits I'm seeing with Beard is no matter where he finds these kids they improve once they are coached by him. Francis & Hamilton ran out of options at their other schools and the transfer year off seemed to work well for them. Culver, Smith & Morretti all came to College with little fan-fare and have exceeded expectations as freshman. Juco kids come in ready to play. Seeing good things so far from him
You mean the younger Lawson's.
After Tubby's recent comments I can certainly see why they would
According to the RPI, North Carolina has the #1 schedule of strength in the country. I didn't include teams they played outside the Top 100 which was 8
Wins (RPI 1-50)
RPI DATE OPPONENT SCORE
29 Nov. 24 Arkansas* 87-68
13 Nov. 29 Michigan 86-71
9 Dec. 17 @ Tennessee 78-73
21 Dec. 23 Ohio State* 86-72
11 Jan. 16 Clemson 87-79
4 Feb. 8 Duke 82-78
46 Feb. 17 @ Louisville 93-76
37 Feb. 21 @ Syracuse 78-74
Wins (RPI 51-100)
RPI DATE OPPONENT SCORE
90 Nov. 15 Bucknell 93-81
72 Nov. 20 @ Stanford 96-72
78 Dec. 1 @ Davidson 85-75
97 Jan. 9 Boston College 96-66
65 Jan. 13 @ Notre Dame 69-68
52 Feb. 10 @ NC State 96-89
65 Feb. 12 Notre Dame 83-66
Losses (RPI 1-50)
RPI DATE OPPONENT SCORE
15 Nov. 26 Michigan State* 45-63
43 Jan. 3 @ Florida State 80-81
1 Jan. 6 @ Virginia 49-61
47 Jan. 22 @ Virginia Tech 69-80
11 Jan. 30 @ Clemson 78-82
25 Feb. 27 Miami 88-91
4 Mar. 3 @ Duke 64-74
justanotherfan said:
The SWAC is a league operating at an enormous disadvantage in basketball. Grambling played 13 non conference games. All but one was a true road game. They went 4-9 in non-con. Prairie View played 14 non-con games. They actually had three home games, with the rest being true road games. They went 3-0 at home, 0-11 on the road. The conference as a whole uses their basketball schedule as a chance to generate income by traveling for most of their non-con schedule, often with several trips to Power 5 conference opponents. As a result, nearly every SWAC team is underwater recordwise every year by the time conference play starts.
Here's the rest of the conference:
Texas Southern, 13 true road games (including a trip to Lawrence), out of 13 non-con games. 0-13
Arkansas Pine Bluff, 13 of 14 non con games were true road games. 0-14
Southern, 9 of 13 non con games as true road games, 4-9 (4-0 at home, 0-9 on the road)
Jackson State, 9 of 13 non con games as true road games, 3-10 (3-1 at home, 0-9 on the road).
Alabama State, 7 of 12 non con games as true road games, 0-12
Alcorn State, 8 of 13 non con games as true road games, 4-9 (4-1 at home, 0-8 on the road)
Mississippi Valley State, 13 of 13 non con games as true road games, 0-13
Alabama A&M, 12 of 13 non con games as true road games, 0-13.
That's 24 non-conference home games total in the 10 team league. That's a tough way to grind through.
Probably a good example of a conference that shouldn't be in D-1. I was aware of Texas Southern but not the conference as a whole
Agreed. They have Michael Weathers sitting out this season, a transfer from Miami Ohio who averaged 16 pts as a freshman and is from Roeland Park Kansas. Kid will be pretty motivated to play KU. When he and his brother decided to transfer, KU was a team they mentioned they would be interested in. He ends up at OSU with 3 years left to replace Kendall Smith. Kendall Smith btw was a twice bounced transfer from UNLV then Cal State Northridge and finally the Big-12. Without Smith, not sure this Cowboys team is even in a position to make the tourney
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
247 has the Big 12 getting 16 4 star or higher players next year
Does this not count De Sousa?
Also I expect Agbaji to bump up.
Not counting De Sousa and not including Agbaji's expected jump
wissox said:
Speaking of St. Mary's, and Wichita, and MSU, this guy has us as a 1 seed and potential 2nd round against St. Marys, 3rd round with WSU, and either Duke or MSU as elite 8 competition. It's been 3 long years since Duke has won a championship so the powers that be will be affecting the whistle in that elite 8 matchup I'm sure. I don't think a team west of the Appalachians is going to win a championship ever again!
Here's the link which I forgot in the original post.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-ncaa-tournament-bracketology-20180305-story.html ↗
Wouldn't mind St Mary's as a 2nd round opponent. Londale is one of America's best bigs and would be a good matchup for Doke/Mitch/Silvio. Their defense is ranked about 80 spots below KU's so we'd have a really good chance of scoring on them.
Not an athletic team either which would favor KU even more
247 has the Big 12 getting 16 4 star or higher players next year
Yeah Boynton is going to have to recruit to stay competitive. He seems like a quality hire so far making out okay with other coaches players who maxed out their abilities.
He did find Smith in the transfer market that was absolutely the best guard on the floor Saturday when they crushed us.
He has a transfer guard coming in to replace him that could be decent. The other two recruits he's got signed are + 200 ranked bigs. With 3 open spots and starting jobs to hand out I'm sure he'll be aggressive in the graduate transfer market
justanotherfan said:
For OU, does that include Trae Young leaving, or does that not count him?
If Young leaves as expected they have one spot open. I wouldn't be surprised to see a transfer or two as well. I expect Kruger to be aggressive adding talent especially at the guard position.
dylans said:
Lunardi (thankfully never accurate) has #6 Gonzaga as a 5 seed in KU’s bracket and preseason #1 Arizona as KU’s 4 seed. Gonzaga as a 5 is grossly underseeded. Arizona is about right, but a tough draw with Ayton playing like he is. MSU and UNC as the 2/3 so get to the elite eight and it’s a more favorable matchup.
Unfortunately Gonzaga is seeded correctly I think. They might be more talented then a #5 seed and they have a great record (could be 30-4 after tonight) however playing in the WCC continues to do them no favors when their non-conference schedule doesn't give them enough quality wins to overcome the conference they play in.
I saw recently they were in some preliminary talks about joining the Mountain West which would improve their metrics a bit. I think its time Gonzaga moved up, similar to what Wichita St just did this year. The talent Few is bringing in and developing is simply better then the competition they are playing.
Gonzaga in the non-conference beat Ohio St (before they got better) lost to Florida in 2OT, beat Texas in OT, beat Creighton who was #25 at the time, was crushed by Villanova, and crushed Washington (the game after KU lost to them in the Sprint Center). They split the H2H with Saint Mary's who's in a similar position, having a lot of wins but not a ton of quality wins.
I tend to think this Gonzaga squad is a bit underrated. They returned guys who contributed to last years F4 run which I think is important for them going anywhere. I would welcome the challenge playing them though, I think we would matchup okay with them
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Tyler Harris's saga has been very odd. I've been loosely following him because I figured he would end up at Iowa State but that so far hasn't materialized.
Slow playing for the best opportunity. Baylor looks like that atm.
I think only 2 starters are returning for OSU but 6 rotation guys will be back total. Carroll, Smith & Solomon are big losses for them. He'll have to prove he can recruit as all the guys he's playing with were under the former regime's
Looks like 5 teams are full at the moment for next season.
West Virginia & Texas have 13.
Kansas, Kansas St & TCU are 1 over. We know KU's situation is very fluid.
Oklahoma St has 3 openings, Tech has 2, and Baylor has 2.
Baylor might land Memphis area PG Tyler Harris in the spring. Big need for them.
OU & Iowa St have room for 1 more. OU likely after a PG, ISU probably a post player.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Weird, everyone thought Shaka would be so successful...
I wasn't one of them. But yeah the general media conception out there was he'd do great going to Texas. He can recruit but he can't turn those kids into winners on the court.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Tough to say. I think, if any of them open up in the next 5 seasons, he would be on the shortlist for KU, UNC, UK or Duke. I don't see him taking any other job EXCEPT maybe the UT job. He is a UT alum and I think that job would be really enticing for him.
He did spend 10 years at TTU as an assistant though, so I think there is loyalty. But sometimes opportunities come that you just can't turn down.
I think he would take the Texas Job if it opened. I have no idea what Texas is doing with Shaka but he's not getting it done.
His kids live in Lubbock I believe which was a big reason he bolted UNLV for Tech. I think him getting a new deal was two fold, reward him for a great year and give him enough financial backing to make leaving for another job harder. I don't know where 3 million places him in the coaching spectrum of salaries but its certainly not a bad gig.
He recently reeled in a Top 50ish recruit too. Kids are starting to notice him.
HighEliteMajor said:
@BeddieKU23 It seems that the opinion of KU and the quality of the wins again relies on the opinion of the quality of the Big 12. I mean, who did we beat in the non-con? Not one team in the top 25 as far as I can tell. Syracuse, TAM, UK all have had down or disappointing seasons. And we lost to UW and ASU who have slid back. They’re not even getting votes. The inflated value of the Big 12 is puzzling. I think we should slide into the two seed, and that fits our season about right.
The non-conference certainly wasn't daunting. It's ranked 22nd according to the RPI. We just minimized playing bad teams, only 4 outside the Top 100. Smart scheduling, KU knows what it takes to keep itself at the top.
The inflated value of the Big-12 can be attributed to the Round Robin Schedule. Teams get 2 cracks at KU, its the only reason Oklahoma St is even on the bubble line right now. So either the Big-12 conference is a genius for keeping at 10 teams or its just luck really. It's helping the bubble Big-12 teams stay afloat. Just Iowa St having a bad season makes the conference look strong top to bottom and the middle is so cluttered you don't even know who's really any good.
However their are some atrocious Power 5 teams in the ACC, Pac-12, Big-10 & SEC so just because those conferences have strength in numbers doesn't make them any better. Pitt didn't even win a conference game. The bottom 4 in the Big-10 barely combined to win more conference games then KU did. About 50 mid-major schools could have beaten Cal this season. 8 teams in the SEC were 500 or less in conference play.
If we throw tournament success into the mix then of course the Big-12's regular season success becomes a mute point. Not much we can do as fans, we hope KU wins the championship and the rest of the league does well to validate the conference overall.
I think more important if we are talking KU is did the 2017-2018 schedule prepare us for March? I think we are battle tested, we have no misconceptions of what this team is. Even if we are a #1 seed or a #2 seed I think most of the fan base knows this team will have to play its best ball to win every game after round 1. If we don't we go home to a long and sulky off-season full of who's leaving, transfer talk, recruiting, lineup projections that only carry us so far.
Our leaders have to shine bright now. This team goes as far as Devonte & Self can carry them.
Worth 19 mil over 6 years. Wonder if it will be enough to keep him around. He did go to Tech to be closer to his family..Can build a good thing if he stays
Tonight the Horizon League, CAA, Northeast, WCC & Summit League all have their finals.
South Dakota & South Dakota St battle for the 1 bid with their combined 53-13 records. We crushed South Dakota St in Allen earlier this year. South Dakota dropped close games to TCU & UCLA in non-conference. The loser will not dance..Should be a good one.
Two more teams got in last night. Iona won the MAAC & UNC Greensboro won the Southern.
UNCG is an interesting team, won 27 games. They beat NC St who's likely in and only gave up 60 to Virginia. Kenpom's 31st ranked defense FYI which is 15 spots better then KU. Francis Alonso can really shoot the rock, over 100 3's on the year.
Saint Mary's lost in the semi's to BYU. Saint Mary's didn't help themselves with seeding at all. A great record without great wins except @ Gonzaga.
BYU can steal a bid tonight against Gonzaga. Yoeli Childs went nuts last night scoring 33. Will have to do it again if they think they can beat Zaga. Zags won both meetings pretty comfortably during the regular season.
kjayhawks said:
Interesting that most still have OSU out after they beat us Saturday, I personally think the loser of the OU OSU game Wednesday should be out. How OU is safely in at a 10 currently tho they spilt the season series with OSU while having the same conference record coupled with more bad losses.
I agree. Oklahoma St has 6 wins against ranked teams. Must be their non-conference weighting heavily against them right now.
wissox said:
@BeddieKU23 the early season Spartans yes. Lately not sure but in a season of losses piling up for so many I still am struggling with the possibility of them being a three seed. Of course two years ago I thought they got screwed by being given the two seed and then they lose to mid tenn so who knows!
By the way the Big 14 really screwed themselves up by expanding. You're right about that and then they go out and play their tourney in two east coast locales the last two years.
The Spartans are an interesting team. NBA talent, NBA size, elite coach. You don't get 29 wins without being good. We've seen the good & bad of Michigan St in one recent game against Northwestern in which they were down 20+ at half and came back to win improbably.
Early season Sparty looked good as you mentioned, I suppose their biggest wins of the season were the B2B wins against UNC & Notre Dame. After that their best win is? Home by 3 points against Purdue was probably the last big impression they left . I've watched about 10 Michigan St games this season including the recent one's and I don't see a team that is playing better then a #3 seed. I see some individuals that look as if they are thinking ahead towards the next level. Besides having Jaren Jackson this is the same team that KU beat down in the 2nd round last year.
People that see their gaudy record might think a #3 seed is low for a team like Michigan St. If the committee follows through with the principles in seeding teams Spartan Nation will be happy to have a #3 seed because the schedule is dreadful. I think the AD for MSU has some work to do to clean up how they schedule.
I also think for comparison there are people looking at KU possibly being a #1 seed with 7 losses as outrageous. If its all about wins and losses I'd agree, 7 losses is a lot to reward a team a high seed. If they win the Big-12 tourney and get a #1 seed it will tie the record for the most losses given to a 1 seed in NCAA Tournament History. In a normal year KU would be lucky to stay on the #2 line. As we all know by now this isn't a typical year in CBall. KU just has a really good resume that's going to give them an edge with the committee, maybe even inflating their true seed line. I've seen some bracket sites listing KU as an over-seeded team. Our non-conference didn't seem all that difficult on paper and the Big-12 didn't look like it was going to have 7-8 tournament worthy teams but both have given KU a resume that's as good as any in the country. What's better the gaudy record or better resume?
You have some good points.
What seems to hurt Michigan St more then their record vs ranked or Top 50 teams is the putrid non-conference schedule that saw them play North Florida, Stony Brook, Southern Utah, Houston Baptist, Long Beach St, Cleveland St, & Savannah St. Impressive list, my grandma and her friends could be competitive against that bunch.
I cannot forgive the Big-10 either for scheduling them to play Michigan only once during the regular season. That's a joke having to play your inner-state rival one time, at home, which they lost BTW.
Some of their opponents hit hard times when they were used to being perennial Top 25 teams. Uconn, Maryland, Wisconsin, Indiana. I don't hold that against them its just the luck of the draw in that situation.
Now I don't think their record (29-4) is a true indication of how good they are. There's a good chance this is a 24-7 type team (Like KU) had the teams they played been better or the Big-10 schedule been different. I think the record is a bit exaggerated due to the competition and they got extremely lucky in that regard.
You do watch the Big-10 more following Wisconsin which gave them two scares in a week..Does Michigan St really strike you as better then a 3 seed after seeing your shorthanded Badgers almost beat them?
dylans said:
@BeddieKU23 Taking O over D. Nice squad. The only easy choices for me were Graham and Evans.
Bane & Smith are excellent defenders from what I've seen this year.
Bane because his FG% is ridiculous, is built like a football player and led the Big-12 in 3 pt %.
Smith for being one of the Top 5 athletes in the country, having that versatility to play him in the 4 spot like Jackson last year and his non-stop motor to make plays.
As good as Bamba is defensively and he is elite around the rim I think Doke would fit better with those 4. Bamba likes to roam the perimeter too much to show off for the Draft. Either Shaka misused talent again or it was Bamba.
BShark said:
Frank and Graham will be in the rafters
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article203450099.html ↗
Awesome news. Hope they do it in the same weekend one year. Actually would love to see it the same night but I can imagine they will space it so each has their own spotlight
I'd go Graham, Evans, Desmond Bane, Zhaire Smith, Doke.
Langford's team won their sectional title avenging their only loss of the year.
Sellout crowd of 8100 to see him play.
Had a quiet 17 points, 11 coming at the line.
Langford held their leading scorer in the first matchup to two 2 points. His coach challenged him to stop him, think the message hit home. That's a quality I like to see. Self would be a coach that can press his buttons and get what he needs from him.
Only issue is he'd convince him to stay 4 years
Still no official word whether he's reclassifying just yet. We'll see, UNC would be a great place for him as they lose their only PG and the style of play fits him perfectly
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Garrett can also dribble and pass the ball. It's remarkable how badly Vick has regressed.
Both underrated skills. I agree he does both of them better then Vick at this point. I would like to see the minutes go 30 - Garrett, 22 Vick.
Kcmatt7 said:
Bill needs to play this just right. Win the first game and lose the 2nd. Give us a 2 seed in the Midwest instead of a 1 seed in LA. jmo though.
Interesting thought. I wouldn't mind being the #2 with Xavier.
I want to win them all but that's just my opinion. Having to play either Oklahoma school a 3rd time is potential payback city. Either K-St or TCU in the Semi's who we went 4-0 against and then whatever comes out of West Virginia/Tech.. Win it all and go in with some momentum. Losing again does nothing IMO for this team
joeloveshawks said:
I see Lunardi has us today as a 1 seed. MSU a 3 seed. No clue how that coul be accurate. My assumption is we better beat OU / OSU if we want a shot at staying on the 1 line and possibly 2 wins in the Big 12 tourney.
It is accurate. Michigan St has played the weakest schedule of any Power 5 team. Losing record vs the Top 50 RPI. They were a 3 seed in the initial reveal of the Top 16 teams weeks ago and did nothing since to raise their seed.
KU has to win the Big-12 tourney to keep the #1 seed. Xavier or Duke can leapfrog them with their own conference tourney wins.
wissox said:
@BeddieKU23 After many years of living in SEC country I really loathe them! And I always feel a little guilty about it because they're one of the more successful leagues in the dance. SC making it last year and beating FL to get to the FF is just the latest example. Funny thing is their fans don't even appreciate it.
FL and SC were good teams last year, much better then anything in the SEC this year. This year Auburn & Tennessee fit the bill of good teams that could go far. I'm bullish on Auburn now that they lost their best defender and post player. 4-4 in their last 8 (started 21-2). They are a young team, no seniors and no tourney experience leaves them vulnerable in the first weekend. It will be a major surprise to see any SEC team beyond those two getting past the first weekend.
Custer didn't look like the CPOY in the championship game although from what I've read he had a very good year. They have a solid mid-major program that has had a banner year. I do not expect them to upset anyone unless they get a good matchup. They did beat Florida on the road in their only game against P5 competition..
The thing with Vick and his minutes is he gets anywhere between 8-10 shots a night. And he's not a good shooter anymore. So why play him 33 minutes a game to see him effect the efficiency of the team. I'd rather see those shots go somewhere else who can make shots.
Garrett plays better defense, has the best steal rate per 40, better rebounding #'s in less minutes, his box +- are better. 30 games in we know what Vick is giving us which isn't enough
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I would love to see the minutes of Vick and Garrett flip flop. Maybe Self is saving it for the NCAAT....
Would like for that to be true. I expect the opposite.