BShark said:
Kevin Knox is on the list, I wonder if he will play tomorrow...
You already know the answer to that. Same with Bridges and Carter, Sexton
BeddieKU23
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BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true ↗
As much as you can see of it is there.
Malik Waayns is on the loan list so there are definitely guys well past playing college hoops on there.
Looks like my work browser is blocking it, will try and view it on the phone.
drgnslayr said:
One more thought on this... Trier is an athlete. He's pushing his body to the max. He's running at metabolism rates few people ever reach.
23 months in Trier's life is like 60 months of the average person.
And as far as the drug being nested in tissue... because of his range of motion and constantly being in motion, and having full contact, wouldn't you think anything nested in his tissue would have been destabilized and released long ago because of his activity?
I'm having a hard time buying into Trier's defense... but I'm also unaware of this substance and what is possible.
Seems like the burden of proof is on him and his argument better be well-substantiated!
All good points. I'm not clear what the science says on this drug and it can be different for everyone. The other thread I was reading for those that did research, the drug said it should clear the system in a month. Now he was suspended a long time so it was longer then a month. I'm sure he's been tested since being cleared. There's a lot of questions we don't have the answers to at the moment. What we know is he's still got this in his body. It makes you think whether he's been playing all season long with it in his system..
What's their argument for a 2nd positive? We are talking 23 months since he supposedly took it the first time. The NCAA is is likely going to look at this in a different way this time around.
BShark said:
They actually don't even list EJ in the article but he is in the documents. That's what makes me think it was after he left Kansas. If he was at KU even possibly taking 15k, that'd make Forde so delirious he couldn't contain himself.
where's the full document?
Good Luck NCAA!
There's a really good thread going on the Phog for once about this. Some have researched the drug and did their homework on the situation the first time.
The original story with Trier was he was in a car accident for which there was no reported accident, hospital visit etc and neither Trier or his coach would elaborate on the accident. During his "recovery" his uncle slipped him a banned PED in a drink and the substance showed up on a subsequent drug test. Until the drug was removed from his system he was ineligible and missed 19 games during last season. I believe he had a trace amount of the PED in his system for a while that wouldn't go away.
Now he is tested again randomly and it shows up in his system. For those that researched the drug there doesn't seem to be any evidence that this drug could last 23 months in his system in a trace amount if this was the only dose he has ever ingested. Either Trier has been taking the drug since then or we have some sort of unexplained phenomenon going on with this kids bloodstream. With all the scrutiny surrounding the program you wonder how he's going to get any benefit of the doubt this time around
drgnslayr said:
I'm curious... but couldn't they verify if Trier took the drug again by testing a hair sample? Hair samples are like documented time clocks. I'm sure it would be more expensive... but how important is this?
Good point. Arizona and Trier are appealing so it is important. Arizona is toast without him in the tournament so its also important. It's probably going to affect their seed as well if they stumble up in the Pac-12 tourney. Lots of stuff here.
This is a bizarre situation. I know nothing about the substance that he took originally. He got to play innocent the first time but now there is definitely doubt surrounding a 2nd time around
Buster 1926 said:
@BeddieKU23 About tournament time there will likely be all sorts of rumors, spin, accusations, etc., JMO. Maybe we'll be able to connect the dots to Russian bots !!
Yeah I agree and that would be a bad look for the tournament if that happens. Would be typical and par for the course with reporters though.
We seem to be getting these odd insider reports that are detailed just enough to grab your attention but not enough to be front page news. I think 3 of the cases don't go before a jury until later this year or 2019 so its likely this type of reporting continues. It is widely believed Andy Miller is cooperating and that is why his situation is likely to open up the most can of worms right now. There's no telling when all his documents and information makes its way to the public. He has no court date or charges at the moment I believe..
Xavier is in a good position to win the Conference by itself if they take care of business and catch a lucky break.
Villanova's upcoming road games are tough. Creighton and Seton Hall are projected in the field right now. I wouldn't say either is likely to beat Villanova unless either plays the best game of the year. Nova just got back one of their guards who had been out 7 games with a hand injury.
I didn't realize Nova had won that many Big East Championships in a row. Much like the Big-12 its a round robin schedule so I do give them a ton of credit for having that kind of sustained success.
Yeah you have to sift through the real and the assumptions at this point until actual information is leaked out from the courts.
If the NCAA's gets its hands on information about players which can lead back to coaches etc that's going to be interesting.
Fox isn't going to develop in SAC. I think they missed with that one. Wouldn't be surprised if he was playing somewhere else that could coach him
Would make sense if Lawson went to Memphis. I think KU is going to get better anyway
JayHawkFanToo said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I haven't heard of anything changing here, but AZ is AZ so obviously the history is there. I'll keep my ear to the ground on this. I've been to a few of his games this year.
Yeah we'll see how this plays out. JRE is good friends with Jontay Porter who's godfather is Romar (Zona assistant).
Would MU be involved then?
They have offered. Haven't seen them that involved.
Andy Miller and ASM is probably the biggest worry to programs.
http://amp.si.com/college-basketball/2018/02/21/fbi-investigation-players-payments-spreadsheets ↗
Don't see any KU players tied to ASM
BShark said:
I expect him to take more visits. UNC and some others have put forth the effort. So he should use all his officials and ultimately end up at KU.
Romar is every recruit's god father it seems. :joy:
I expect him to visit others as well. The Zona one is interesting seems how they just offered. JRE should enjoy the process however for KU fans we all wish he would shut it down early..
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Josh Green mentioned KU as one of the schools talking to him daily and recruiting him hard. Green is a stud. Big guard much in the mold of Grimes
He is a fair bit better than Harvey at this stage from what I've seen. Their ranking is similar though. I wonder if we can take both.
Harvey was at the OU blood bath.
I think Green is better at this point as well and physically he's really filled out at IMG. I like how Harvey is developing. 2019 class is really strong and KU is in a good spot to clean up
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I haven't heard of anything changing here, but AZ is AZ so obviously the history is there. I'll keep my ear to the ground on this. I've been to a few of his games this year.
Yeah we'll see how this plays out. JRE is good friends with Jontay Porter who's godfather is Romar (Zona assistant).
JRE visiting Arizona.. Matt is saying don't be concerned but we'll see
Josh Green mentioned KU as one of the schools talking to him daily and recruiting him hard. Green is a stud. Big guard much in the mold of Grimes
Hawk8086 said:
I like our chances Saturday. Especially if Evans is not at full strength. He didn't look good last night. But of course, the worried fan in me is now concerned about having to win at OSU as well. The way this conference beats each other up, a possible scenario is: We lose on Sat. and at OSU, Tech loses to WVU, KSU and WVU win out, and there is a FOUR way tie at 10-6. Not likely, but nothing would surprise me this year.
I think you meant a scenario where everyone finished 12-6.
Tech would be the #1 seed in the conference tourney in that scenario having the double tie-breaker over KU, KU would have the same over WVU and KSU. I don't think the scenario is probable but it exist. West Virginia has a good chance to finish 12-6 with their schedule
Ku wins Saturday and nothing else matters.
Kubie said:
Frank is probable for the kings thunder game tonight. With Hill gone he is the only other point guard behind Fox. That’s showing some confidence in the young guys
Plus Sac got to sack that 20 million they gave Hill for the year trading him. Hopefully he gets some good minutes, Fox has been terrible
Syracuse really needed that home win against UNC last night. Jim lives on the bubble every year and whines for days when he's included or excluded. Cuse isn't a tournament team IMO.
What does the committee do with Oklahoma St. 4 wins against ranked teams. They will have to keep winning.
Louisville is another ACC team that does not belong in the NCAA tourney. Are they even allowed? I have no idea they have so many in-house and NCAA penalties its been hard to keep up.
Alabama got crushed by Auburn, that would have been a big upset for them. Can't see them dancing
Clemson is falling apart having lost 3 straight. Virginia Tech looks safely in.
Florida is definitely a team with work to do. 11 losses and more to come. Definitely trending towards the bubble.
K-St & TCU did what they needed to do last night. TCU has a brutal stretch to end conference play. Beating Baylor & K-St would put them safely in.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 Follow the money....
Wouldn't be shocked to see two of 3 make it out of USC, UCLA and Washington. And somehow St. Bonnies won't make it because of some stupid Quadrant thing...
Also, in ESPN's bracket, I would rather see several of the 6 or 7 seeds than the 8/9 seeds at the moment. If this were really how it played out, I'd be kind of pissed.
Also, if KU wins out the Big XII title outright, don't we deserve to win the MidWest 1 seed over Xavier? Of course I'm biased.
Xavier has a really good chance of getting a #1 seed despite likely to be the 2nd best team from the Big East. It looks likely they will at least tie for the Big East championship with Villanova, Xavier plays Providence at home & @ Depaul left meanwhile Nova has road tests at Creighton, Seton Hall and then ends with Georgetown.
If they win the Conference tourney and say beat Villanova while doing it they are likely a #1 seed. They have no bad losses as far as losing to teams they shouldn't have. In a season that has seen so many upsets every week Xavier is one of the few that has been consistent. I will note that when they lose, they don't even lose competitively (avg 16) in their 4 losses. I've seen them play a handful of games, they are a good team. I'm not convinced they have a Final 4 type ceiling which you would expect from a #1 seed. Maybe I'm undervaluing them a bit, they seem like a safe team that scores a lot. They are not a defensive juggernaut by any means which I think is the biggest risk with them (Kenpom's 70th ranked D).
I think at least 2 of the 3 Pac-12 teams are tournament teams.
I think Washington has work to do like winning its next four games. If they can't beat Stanford, Cal, Oregon St & Oregon they don't belong in the tourney. USC is currently 2nd in the Pac-12 with an extremely weak resume. The 2nd place team in the Pac-12 is making the tourney though. UCLA is in a really tough stretch. End the season with 3 straight road games and none of them are easy. UCLA has to win one of them, beating Utah tonight in a true bubble game for both would go a long way in keeping them in.
I agree as it stands it looks like the committee is valuing the quadrant thing heavy. You might see 8/9 seeds that are better then the 6/7 seeds and it could all be because of resume and scheduling. As always we are going to see teams under-seeded and over-seeded and wonder how they came up with it all.
If KU continues this turnaround and momentum they will be a #1 seed. Winning out would be the easiest way that happens. Winning the Big-12 gives us another ace in the hole. Winning the Conference Tourney would give us a chance at overall #1 depending on how things shake out. If we have 7 losses we'll need help to stay on the 1 line. Anything more then 7 losses is going to land us a #2 seed I believe. Our strong resume with quadrant wins keeps us in play for everything. I'm pumped to see how the next couple weeks go!
wissox said:
@BeddieKU23 They're giving a Gard a pass this year. Lost a ton of experience, and then two season ending injuries. The pressure is mounting however as recruiting misses this year has really begun to mount. He's especially missed on in state kids like Ellenson who went to Marquette for one year, Stone who went to Maryland, and now losing Tyler Herro. Even losing the kid from KC to KU, normally no shame in that, is stinging a bit too. He can point to his last class (this years freshmen who are all decent players and will grow into very good players I think. Next year with a senior Ethan Happ, and healthy experienced players younger than him, they should expect to dance again, but if not, he'll really feel the heat.
I can see them giving Gard a pass this year but he has to start recruiting at a higher level. Wisconsin even with its success hasn't signed Top 100 kids regularly which made Ryan's success even more impressive. He maximized talent so well and always found program players. Of course they have gotten guys like Dekker and Happ in the past so you can get kids there. The misses in recruiting as you noted are starting to pile up. I worry that Gard isn't establishing his own identity with Wisconsin as well as one might hope he would already. Of course I don't follow them as close as you do but even the 10 foot view looks as if he's trying to do the same as Ryan did without the success.
Next year will be a huge year for the program and Gard. If most of the team returns (which I think will happen) there's a lot of promise if everyone is healthy. The key to next years team seems to be having an established post rotation alongside Happ. Ford & Reuvers are young and have received valuable playing time this year to build off. Wisconsin has had remarkable success getting little-used big men to come out of no where, Van Vliet & Illikainen do not seem to be candidates to follow that path which has to be a big disappointment to fans and the staff.
Bill Self has never lost a "payback game" in the Big-12, something like 17-0.
They are peeing it's down to 5
Luck bounce gets OSU up 10 with 4 to goo
Osu gonna choke this game
Tech up 16 9 for 9 this half
Tech was up 2, now down 12. OSU made 5 3s in a row
Tech up 1 at half. OSU blew a 6 point lead that could have opened up the game.
Evans is playing
If we win the big 12 and the conference tourney we will have a resume that will be hard to ignore. I can see us being the highest 2 seed if we lose a game between now and selection Sunday. 7 losses is a lot to reward a 1 seed. KU has had as tough of a sustained schedule as any in the country. Teams in the big 10 and ACC have had to play some bad teams and it's padded records.
Celebrating the 08 championship team they even had a patch
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 I was thinking it would be directed at us. 4 days to prepare but against Tech+ or Tech- ?
I'm sure its also aimed at KU and West Virginia who they play in Morgantown 2 days later. It's the biggest week and most brutal stretch in Texas Tech history
I get the sense Beard is being deceptive, who wouldn't. You can't give OSU a game-plan advantage in advance.
That always has some effect on the bubble.
Nevada is a projected #8 seed, has been ranked multiple times during the year. If they lost the Mountain West to say UNLV or Boise St who are bubble teams (Boise St is on the next 8 out right now) that's an example of a team maybe sweating it out Selection Sunday.
Lousiana- 23-4 currently would not get in without winning the Sun Belt, projected #12 seed. Their RPI is currently higher then Baylor, Washington, Texas, K-St, Nebraska- teams that have beaten KU or given them a tough time this year.
South Dakota & South Dakota St are a combined 47-12 but in a 1 bid league.. Seperated by a 1/2 game in the standings currently, they play each other on Thursday to decide the league. SD St a team KU crushed in Allen is a projected #13 seed.
East Tennesse St- 21-5, projected #13 seed made the tourney last season and just gave its coach an extension in hopes of keeping him (likely to attract attention in the coaching carousel). They have a few bad losses, a close defeat to Xavier (by 2) and just 1 Top 100 win (against UNC Greensboro).
Loyola-Chicago 23-5 RPI #41 currently a #12 seed has a better RPI then 30+ Power 5 schools. They have a win over Florida. Could be left out if they don't do their business in Conf Tourney..
Meanwhile a #11 loss Oklahoma team is still a projected 6 seed..
- 2012 final four becoming the first team to forfeit a title in the F4 era.
Remove 2012 & 2013 from memory folks it didn't happen!
drgnslayr said:
If it truly is turf toe he can make it a lot worse by playing on it. Not sure if we are talking permanent damage as much as just "spraining the sprain" and increasing inflammation. The pain threshold continues to climb.
I'm guessing Beard will sideline him from all practices and just have him suited up for OSU with hopes of not having to use him.
Pretty good chance he is done for the year. He probably won't know until he puts it to the test in full-speed play.
Agree, will be interesting to see how this plays out. Tech does have a capable backup PG who scorched KU in Allen. It's definitely gut check time for Tech tomm night.
I'm all for that requirement. would add an interesting competitive dynamic to these last few weeks
Beard has done very well. To be in a position to win the Big-12 or share it in his 2nd year says it all. It's not as if players are flocking to West Texas. Credit is due for him and he seems like a humble guy so far. Lots to like.
The Evans injury must be dealt with great caution. If its turf toe (reports were he was at practice in a boot) then how severe the injury becomes #1. If he can play through it then he will and obviously having your senior leader that is having a Frank'esque type season, you want your baller playing even if he's not 100%. Teams will still respect him and maybe he becomes sort of a decoy in your gameplan.
We will see where Beard's short-term and long-term goals lie. He has a delicate rope to balance with both. Can he win the Big-12 if he sits Evans @ OSU, and potentially be a game down going into Saturday. What if they lose both? Now all they can do is tie if KU goes 0-2 after Saturday. Lots of possibilities. What if Evans injures himself more. Tech could be a Final 4 team with him and without him this team isn't going very far. We'll see Wednesday how severe the injury is if he's playing/not playing/being limited etc. I'm sure the kid wants to play Saturday at the least.
That would be a game-changer with the FBI. Haven't seen the narrative go that way as I'm sure a lot of people are scared to question the GOAT until there is good enough evidence
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Certainly is KSU wins out in the regular season they should be ahead of OU in seeding. They will have beat OU twice and OU will at least have another loss.
Their rancid noncon is definitely hurting them now. The ASU loss isn't bad, but the Tulsa game bites hard. When you schedule 95% terrible teams in the non-con you have no margin for error.
Well I wouldn't seed KSU higher then Oklahoma just because of a H2H. KSU is definitely better, I imagine having Stokes back is only helping them now. K-St will be a tough team to seed as you said on their horrid non-con.
in 2021 when the NCAA tourney is expanded to 136 teams a 18 or 19 seed won't look so bad
I didn't find much on the Duke board.
If there was a situation it would "go away" anyway. I mean we've seen every other situation regarding eligibility and extras disappear into thin air with Duke. Just like Bagley being cleared in a week after switching classes. It's just how it works.
I assume he'll be back soon before the ACC tourney.
It's great to know we have a 3rd big that's starting to contribute. I think Silvio will be needed in a tournament game. Just a gut feeling that we need him due to foul trouble and he steps up.
dylans said:
@truehawk93 Duke wins without Bagley and jumps up 7 spots in the poll.
When I was looking through the Top 25 the other day before the AP poll came out I predicted Duke would move up into the Top 5 for not losing. It's crazy that AP voters can do that
BShark said:
Saw some of those rumors on Duke boards. We will see I suppose.
I must check these out. Interesting, I was starting to wonder
That would be rare.
Does that make KSU actually better then OU though? OU has big wins which K-St has none. OU and K-St are different teams now so the argument could be made that K-St would have a better chance of winning a big game now
I believe Lunardi said they were dropping a seed line with every loss. Despite the losing streak and downward trend they are still in due to the high quality wins they have. They need to get to 8-10 or 9-9 in conference and survive a round in the Big-12 tourney in order to change the narrative that has been painted on them now. I would say they are still in as of today but that their situation is still fluid. They are not making the tournament if they finish conference 6-12. Only one team ever (Iowa St back before the Big-12) has ever made the tourney with a 7-11 conference mark.