BShark said:
@betterfireE Vick has packed his bags imo.
He didn't play well Saturday but before that he was showing signs of life. When Vick isn't efficient shooting the ball he's not always helping KU.
I think he struggles playing against athletes. Trying to guard Zhaire Smith Saturday was a perfect example of how far away he is from playing in the NBA. Smith looks like a 1st rounder compared to him.
We need good Vick to show up every once in a while going forward
Kcmatt7 said:
I will have an issue with both Xavier and Nova as #1 seeds. KU winning the XII outright, and putting up an insane quadrant 1 record compared to everyone else should earn them the #1 seed in the Midwest over Xavier, providing Xavier doesn't win out.
KU is making a strong push for the 2nd #1 seed. They have a resume as you stated that is superior to any team they are competing with.
BShark said:
I will admit I haven't watched a single Butler game all year.
The game they beat Nova, boy that was a clinic they put on offensively. They thrived with the pace of the game and Nova doesn't defend so it was an exciting game to watch.
They recently lost at home to Georgetown by double digits. I'm surprised they are so highly rated by Kenpom. 20th on KP but tied in a logjam for 3rd in the Big-East. College BBall is having the strangest year ever
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 I don't think it's that surprising. He is better than UGA and maybe just wants to show that. I'd love to see him at KU but with Dotson in year two it's a tough sell plus I hope Markese ends up here regardless of where his ranking ends up.
You made a good point with Dotson. I think KU was out after Ashton before Devon became theirs to lose. He's probably going to stay in the south area so I'm not too worried. He's by the far the best PG in the 19 class in my opinion from what I saw of him as a Jr
BShark said:
Big Dave 17 and 12 in his last game. Averaging 13 and 10 for the year. 1.3 blk and 1.8 fouls per game. Shooting 65% from the floor and the ft line. From what I have seen he has a good feel for the game. The kind of smart and tough post player that Self loves.
Agree, Oak Hill plays zone so it limits his defensive exposure some. I can see defensive rotations being a big struggle for him like most bigs early on. I do like his touch inside and BBIQ. Hope there is some minutes for him next season although it looks mighty crowded..
BShark said:
Quentin Grimes ends his high school career with 2,863 points, 590 assists and 854 rebounds.
wowzer numbers
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Defensive minded slow paced teams give me night terrors.
Their adjusted tempo is right around ours on Kenpom.
KU has gone more to half-court execution anyway. I think its helped Graham and Svi recently stay fresh on the court (as much as that possibly can).
Butler is no defensive juggernaut like they used to be under the old coach. They actually like to go up and down the court with teams that like tempo. They are solid, not taking anything away from them. Comparing them to recent 2nd round matchups such as Michigan St & UConn I feel they are around par maybe slightly less formidable then those squads IMO.
Martin is a good player, a tough matchup for us at 6'7 with girth on him. Baldwin is a good complementary guard. Wideman would have to pack a lunch guarding Doke, they have nothing to even attempt at him. We have very favorable matchups elsewhere. Not seeing it with this team especially given the new coaching staff
BShark said:
He is the type of PG that Cal loves and I imagine UK will make a hard push. I'm sure we will probe, but I doubt KU is a legit option for him.
KU watched him all summer during Adidas camps seems how Q and Dave were the targets..
I really like his game and was stunned when he committed to Georgia. Backing off the commitment so early is just as puzzling honestly.
And your right this has Calipari slime written all over it
BShark said:
Nightmare bracket from Lunardi for us. And no...not Missouri. Kenpom #20 Butler as our 8 seed...
It's Lunardi's weekly lunatic bracket. It's either Mizzou or Wichita we are destined to play every week
Butler is seeded accordingly IMO after watching them a bunch. Their ceiling (beating Nova is a worry) but they haven't played to it other then that.
Would take that bracket in a heartbeat honestly
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 It could definitely happen... If Bamba is out, it will be a lot easier to score.
Would like nothing more then to see a big win on Senior Night. Outright title in hand.
Rock Chalk chant gets going with around 2 minutes to go.
Senior speeches after.
Hopefully a great night to be a Hawk fan!
BShark said:
Bamba probably isn't going to play tonight.
Just saw he's doubtful.
Let's blow out Shaka tonight
mayjay said:
@KUSTEVE Did it go down after OU, or just after both games combined? It could be that the OU game had little influence but TT alone was the reason. Acc to sports-reference.com, the only thing besides off rebs that was noticeably different between the two was TT's off rtg of 112 compared to 102 for OU. 112 with the 13 off rebs by TTU may have been enough to drop us.
By comparison, UVA's last 4 games have held opponents' off rtgs to 100, 87, 100, and 67 (Pitt on Sat). We have not held a team below 102 since TCU on Feb 6 (95).
The defensive #'s have been going the wrong way for the past month or so. KU was holding in the 20's and now they are #39.
The offense is up to #9 after spending most of the season in the teens. I think that has been an encouraging sign for this team. When we make shots like we did against OU, Tech etc everything else improves.
The three teams KU compares the most on Kenpom include Villanova (#1 O, #34 D), UNC (#5 O, #40 D), Auburn (#12 O, #37 D). Villanova isn't the stingy defensive team we remember playing a few years back in the Elite 8, UNC doesn't defend anything, and Auburn's best defender is out for the year which will impact their numbers going forward.
Doing a quick search there are at least 16 teams who Kenpom says their defense is better then KU's but they have more losses then KU has on the season.
If KU can ride its offense the rest of the way and find defense when its needed we can win this whole thang'
mayjay said:
We have all agreed this could be the most topsy turvy tourney (like that?) in history. Any of the top 8 seed lines could probably beat any others. Figuring out distinctions between seed lines is probably hopeless.
But, if history is a guide, when things go crazy, consistency is paramount. KU is playing its most encouraging ball of the year in the most stressful circumstances--we were effectively in a single elimination situation involving our second most important season goal for 4 games running. Major factor in our favor!
Agree! Momentum is on our side. Hopefully we can sustain it.
This team has a ton of guts when the stakes are the highest. It's been impressive to see
FGCU should be tournament bound again. They had a lot of chances in the non-conference to prove themselves but fell short every time. Not sure this team is as good as last years with largely the same cast. Will be rooting for Dooley!
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
San Diego St also sidelined Malik Pope.
Weird.
Seemed like Texas & SD St were caught flat-footed with them being included and wanted to look into it is my guess.
BShark said:
Imagine if KU needed Ayo and pressed for him. THT wanted to go the Illinois but Chicago recruiting politics got in the way.
I imagine Xavier might actually get him if he opened up. He seemed really interested in them first time around. Can't hurt to be aware of his situation if Underwood gets canned. I imagine if KU happens to have a scholarship and he's available we'd inquire
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 It's not like @elpoyo was ever on board to begin with. Well that's not true, he's all aboard the Cuonzo Martin hype train!
True. I've grown tired of ragging against Elpoyo at this point.
I thought he was going to pick on Devonte.
He made a prayer 3 with the shot clock going down.
Another jumper in similar situation.
And that layup that hit every crevice of the backboard and rim.
I thought the game Saturday was the ultimate test of our two Senior's competitiveness and will to win. I stand behind them if we get put in a similar position in a few weeks.
BShark said:
Illinois has whiffed a lot in this class already.
Ayo was a big pickup but he was gifted to them. Underwood could be gone and Ayo could open back up?
KU keeps winning and Kenpom keeps dropping its defense.
Meanwhile Duke plays a bunch of cupcakes and see's their defense go from #90 to # 17 in two weeks. They have defended better playing zone defense, I'll give them that.
Devonte plays 40 minutes a game.
We start one post player.
We play only 7 consistently.
Lots of risk. Who cares.
Every team is America has weaknesses.
KU is starting to play its best ball. No reason to jump off board now
BShark said:
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
Wow that's great
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 So much for "Big Jacobs" as Markese calls him to ILL. Committed to SLU about two hours ago. CB was almost 100% ILL of course...
Thanks! Good choice for the older Jacobs. I think Underwood has a short leash at Illinois and its just not a program you want to be apart of right now. He will likely have a nice career at SLU
KUSTEVE said:
@JayHawkFanToo Understood. I still am not sold as them as a 1 seed. I think they're a 2 seed.
I agree they look more like a 2 seed watching them play. Still their record is impressive, winning the Big East which also has a round robin schedule has to be considered as well and they don't have bad losses from a RPI standpoint. Xavier has beaten 4 ranked teams at the time that they played them. They are 13-4 against the Top 100. What hurts them is the publicity Villanova has received all year long and losing both games to them, badly.
Duke is in the same boat, being overshadowed by Virginia in their own conference. They have to win against UNC Saturday and the ACC tourney to get a #1 seed IMO. Duke's resume doesn't give them a ton of room for error if they don't.
Michigan St has a great record but has the weakest resume of any team being considered for a #1 seed. So weak they were a #3 seed in the initial reveal a few weeks ago. Michigan St will be the last #1 seed if the cards fall right for them.
wissox said:
@SkinnyKansasDude I understand your point but the FBI 's word holds no weight with the NCAA? This is the FBI, they probably laugh at the NCAA's investigations. T
100,000$ and the guy plays. I don't care if it's the kid selling happy meals saying he heard it. That's a wad of cash and I can't believe that he's playing. Of course maybe they know their goose is cooked so they'll play him as a sort of 'why the heck not, we've got nothing to lose'.
I was baffled as well that Ayton played. If the Arizona administration held Miller out I'm not sure why Ayton wasn't a pre-cautionary scratch as well. Other programs would have likely held him out, I have a good feeling Self would have or KU compliance would have to investigate the validity in the report.
In my opinion Arizona lost all of my respect allowing him to play. Maybe some don't share that view. Maybe we should wait to see whether Ayton received the money before placing blame on him as well. There is however some good information out there that Ayton told Self he was committing to KU and then days later commits to Arizona out of the blue. And now we have a FBI wiretap explaining an alledged deal to pay Ayton or his family to influence him to play for Arizona.
Michigan St played Bridges, Kentucky played Knox, Alabama played Sexton, Duke played Carter. All of them allegedly had dinner with Dawkins. Sexton was the only one suspended by Alabama in the beginning of the season for being named in the initial FBI report. I'm surprised the other 3 were "cleared" by their programs so quickly. We shouldn't have been surprised given these are star players and they had games to play/win the next day
San Diego St also sidelined Malik Pope.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Looks like Seth Greenberg is doubling down ↗ on a losing cause...
No reason for him to stop now. He has his opinion that not many KU fans agree with
Devonte is in 15th place on the all-time scoring list. Passed Wayne Simien
KU is involved with Gameday every year. ESPN just tries to find the best matchups first. The WVU game at Allen was a no brainer as they always try to get to Lawrence ever year and the game in Lubbock became the Big-12 game of the year so it made sense for them to follow that. The Big-12 lucked out schedule wise getting B2B. Good publicity
The Big East does have round robin as well. That league is seeing a shift in competition with 7 of its 10 this year being a tough out. The RR is a gauntlet that's for sure
Unbelievable accomplishment. Just a baller all around effort today
Ayton will play
The thing is Jones doesn't have to speak to anyone from the ncaa. Her son doesn't go to college anymore, she doesn't have to provide a paper trail to them if there is one. The fbi could, and turn that info over to the ncaa which would change things.
She allegedly received the money before her son signed anywhere. He was not under Kansas watch.
He was eligible through ncaa and ku compliance.
Until the program is connected to this there is absolutely no way they can be held accountabe
Miller will not coach, no word on ayton yet
If Miller and ayton coach and play I'll never speak of Arizona ever
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Good player but I think Keenan Evans being right might be more important.
Definitely Smith hasn't been needed as much. If Evans is still hobbled it's a big part of this game
Zach Smith returns for tech today..
KansasComet said:
Haven't heard Coach Self's name come up, so I'm good!
Exactly or assistants
kjayhawks said:
Does anyone think that would vacate the 2017 season if this is proven true?
No, I find it extremely unlikely
kjayhawks said:
Wonder what Self will have to say of the matter or if he would even address it at this point.
He did not comment on it today when asked
I know we are worried about the possible implications for KU in all this. So far we know of two former players linked to the report.
But imagine being Kentucky, Michigan St, Alabama, Duke with current players listed. What do they do.. Do they sit them in fear or play them. I'm sure each school is furiously vetting the situation. We are talking the leading scorers for Michigan St, Kentucky & Alabama & one of Duke's starters.
This will be interesting to see if all are held out because they are all now aware of what they might not have been aware of before...
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BeddieKU23 so, what do u think?
I don't think the advance has anything to do with the schools. I just wanted to provide the info about when Josh made his 3 official visits in case that came up.
I do think the agents were after his mom to secure him for the future.
Imagine how many other sports agency firms out there have similar spreadsheets that weren't caught...
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark maybe that 2700 was tied to MSU
The loan advance was given to her allegedly about a week after he visited KU. Jackson visited KU officially in late January. He visited Michigan St the first week of March. Visited Arizona in December 2015.
They went to overtime with lowly Oregon St.. When they play better it will impact them
So we have a date of Feb 1 2016 for the Apples advance of 1,700. He was an unsigned prospect at the time. He did not sign with KU until the spring.
kjayhawks said:
@BeddieKU23 @BShark Here’s the other side of the coin, if it happened before JJ was even on campus or committed to KU. Is that didn’t the NCAA clearing house clear him after that?
Proving when the money was exchanged is key. Apples doesn't have to do anything, they are not privy to her personal information. She has nothing to admit because there is nothing on the line for her son, he's not in College.
If this was a situation where the NCAA is aware that Apples received money and Josh was still in school then you have a situation (like UK, Duke, Alabama, etc face with current players listed). Those families would want to cooperate you would think.
Unless Dawkins or Miller or whoever provided the money to Apples is going to detail how the situation went down, the NCAA gets the testamony explaining it, questions them, questions Apples and everyone comes clean what can they do? This goes for everyone listed.
Its an eye opener seeing just how much agents were getting involved with kids and families. There is enough information here to know things need to change.
If they question Apples its not like she has to talk. They have zero power to do anything. Her son no longer is in College or has anything at stake to risk talking
This report is some crazy transparency into the underworld. Without the details of everything how can the NCAA do anything.
Graham even got 2 minutes of rest Monday. It felt like an eternity after seeing him play 40 so much this year
HighEliteMajor said:
@BShark Maybe optimism .. but the question that tests integrity is what if KU found out after the fact? And then did nothing. Did not self-report.
I say good luck proving that!