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DoubleDD
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Great points, and great post.
UNC losing does nothing for KU? That's like the Chiefs hoping Denver and the Raiders lose the rest of their games so they can make it into the playoffs. Where they will get throughly spanked.
Nobody hates HCBS and no true KU fan is hoping KU loses. There is not a KU fan that I know that would rather be proven wrong if it meant a KU win. Yet there is a saying if you always do what you always done expecting a different result, well you get the point.
HCBS with basically the same team is going to do exactly what he did last year. So are we as KU fans supposed to think we are going to get a different result?
Well I don't know? As I'm nothing more than an arm chair QB. I do know there is a line out there. That when crossed all bets are off.
These things usually happen as they are. I few start chirping then a few more start chirping. If things don't take a turn for the better then a whole bunch jump on the wagon and then you have a mob that can't be ignored.
Maybe I'm wrong for asking for his job. Yet it's how I feel right now. I guess the reason I feel this way is a new season is supposed to bring new hopes and expectations. Yet after the MSU loss it felt like groundhog day. A repeat of last year.
KU expects it's fans to not only invest their time but there money to watch and support the Kansas Jayhawks. Then they better expect some blow back when the fans aren't happy.
I totally understand your point that letting go of HCBS might be premature. Yet as fans I think we've at least earned the right to talk about it.
I will be fine just need to adjust my expectations of this KU team. Thought for sure this team was destined for greatness.
Come on Jayhawks lets go win that conference Championship. ;)
I respect an understand the point you're making on HCBS. Yet you have to understand as fans we all don't think a like. It doesn't mean one is a lunatic and one isn't. You may find the fan (me) that thinks the game is passing BS by as crazy. Yet you don't consider I might think your crazy for not seeing the cracks in his coaching ability.
Either way I will be rooting for KU and HCBS, as I'm a KU fan to the core of my being. Yet understand something @JhawkAlum I will voice my displeasure when the time arises. They are not meant to upset you personally. When it comes to KU basketball I would leave no door closed. All conversations should be had. No one coach or player should be bigger than KU basketball.
Besides that HCBS has said himself he has entertained the thought of coaching in the NBA. So tell me again why I should have blind loyalty to BS again? Just Saying.
News flash nobody's gunning for KU anymore. KU has been passed by, and left in the dust. Well except Big 12 schools. You think UK is worried about KU? I'm pretty sure Coach K and Duke isn't worried about KU? I know Izzo and MSU aren't worried about KU? There used to be a time teams were scared to play KU. Those days are gone my friend.
KU is getting it's butt kicked on the court when it counts and in recruiting. KU is only great in the imaginary minds of it's fans.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I really don't see the mob mentality yet. Well maybe me, but one person hardly makes a mob.
I'm not sure questioning BS makes me a hypocrite. Yea you're right it's just the second game of the year. Yet at this point do you see anything different from the way KU played last Year? Which by the way ended in a second round tourney loss.
So why would any sane person or fan believe hey were going to play like we did last year, but hey the outcome will be different this year.
Come on man?
At this point I really don't know, and truthfully I do like HCBS. I'm just getting frustrated with the way he is coaching and handling the team. I mean what HC suspends a players 6 games because they want more playing time?
As for your question. Take a shot in the dark here, but how about Danny Manning?
Ok so I'm over reacting a little. Yet when is enough? Enough? All it seems with HCBS teams is a lot of wishing and hoping. Can any of us really point to KU's schedule and say yea were winning that game or this game ??? When was that last time any of us seen a HCBS coach team blow out a decent team? I mean really take it to them. Yea me neither. Somebody bashed Ol Roy on another topic but even HCRW coached team would curb stomp a good team once in a while.
When do we stop making excuses?
Suspending a player for 6 games because they want to play? Are you kidding me.
So Greene gets suspended because he wants to be on the court? Your best fools gold shooter you got. Yea it's fools gold. Yet Izzo had no problem with the fools gold. After all it's how they got back in the game and sealed the deal. Yes did you watch the game? MSU and Izzo shot the fools gold to defeat KU and You.
HCBS It's not a bad thing for a kid wanting to play.
HCBS you've lost control of this team, and you blame the players. No sir the players aren't dumb.. They know what they do best, yet you want to force them to do something they can't do well ???
Sorry KUBuckets friends. I'm officially on the band wagon that HCBS has to go.. The game has passed him by. This KU team can match any talent in college basketball and is deeper than any team in the country. They are more seasoned that any team in the country. Sadly we have a HC that has to much pride in that he has to do his way instead of playing to his team's strength.
Sorry guys HCBS has to go.
Hey HCBS I'm bitching about Mister BG's Playing time too. Eight Minutes against MSU? What am I banned from watching the next six games KU plays?
I answered your question? So now answer mine. Who do you blame for KU's loss to MSU? Do you blame the players or do you blame HCBS?
The reason I ask this question is because I believe with my whole heart this current KU team can cut down the nets that count. Yet they seem stuck in second gear when they should be in a notch 8 (railroad term).
When watching the MSU game I seen the KU players playing their game in the first half. Taking a commanding lead no worries. The second half all of sudden the outside shots weren't even being taken and everything was going inside. Now why is that?
You raise a great question. At this point I would say no. HCBS is a great coach. However college sports is a business. Whether we like it or not it really is. The reality is KU Basketball is bigger than just those that attend the college. It is a national brand with a national following. It has fans that have never set foot in Kansas City let alone the state of Kansas.
This being the case if HCBS is losing favor with the fans who pay the bills. Then I guess it's possible he could find himself on the hot seat.
I would say if he doesn't save this years recruiting class with some headliners and if KU takes another bath in the second round of tournament. Then expect the chirping to get louder.
I hope you're right. Cause right now I'm just not seeing it. Maybe Diallo changes things?
Well you didn't have to click on it? You do have the power not to read.
No worries KU fans Greene only played 9 minutes last game. No biggie. HCBS wasn't going to use him anyways.
I feel sorry for Greene. Watching the way KU plays wants me to do drugs. I couldn't imagine how it feels for Greene sitting on the bench watching.
As a KU fan I would hate to see Greene go, but man can you blame the kid? HCBS has no love for what he can do best. Shoot the three ball.
On the serious side if I were Greene I would transfer if he still has time. Greene's mastery of the 3 ball is worthless in KU land.
HCBS is feeling the pressure to admit he's wrong about the Three Ball. He can't have that so he suspends the best 3 baller shooter KU has.
Like I said hell or high water KU is pounding the ball inside.
Word is out (or ancient news) just crowd the paint against KU.
Oh I already know. :( HCBS isn't changing.
Maybe if we lose the Big 12 conference title and streak that will wake him up?
KU can't recruit because no matter how talented and great you are, you're playing behind Traylor and Lucas.
Why would a recruit come to KU and sit on the bench when they can go to UK and Duke start or get a lot of playing time.
Lets not forget Top talent wants to play for championships, and not the conference championships.
Think about it? Why go to KU and lose in the second round when you can go to Duke and UK and at the very least make the final 4.
Hey don't hate me. I'm just telling you the truth. OAD's only have one year they have no desire to ride the pine only get spot minutes, and lose in the second round of the NCAA tournament.
OH don't get me wrong KU will win some games this year. Hell they'll most likely win another Big 12 conference. Yet HCBS showed his hand in how he'll play the game this year. As soon as the game gets close. Bragg, Hunter, Svi, Greene will all be sitting over on the bench beside him as Mason, Selden will be commanded to pound the ball inside to Ellis (who will be double teamed) Traylor, and Lucas.
I've already seen this show. I know how it ends.
An early exit from the tournament.
Wow What? @wissoxfan83 you seem like a pretty knowledge basketball fan. Would you take this current collective of talent KU has and pound the ball inside?
You know what wow is? Bragg and Hunter played a combined 14 mins. That my friend is Wow. No wonder KU is losing out on the top talent. Why come to KU and play behind the likes of Traylor and Lucas who combined played 32 mins. Traylor and Lucas had a combined 8 points in 32 minutes. That my friend is wow.
Yep lets don't shoot the fools gold. Lets pound the ball inside. With numbers like that how could we lose? Opps we did lose.
My Friend couldn't agree more with your post. I figure as this season progresses I will become hated on KUBuckets. I don't hate HCBS, In fact I love the guy. Yet I just don't think he can adapt to this current KU team. He wants to run his stuff even though he doesn't have the players. I was so hoping the WUG would have taught him, yet it seems it didn't.
Lets see I'm hearing. The kids will learn from this? This is basically the same team we had last year. What is there to learn? They already know they can't rebound and feed the post with success. Everybody knows this well except HCBS. The kids don't need to learn nothing, the HC is the one that needs to learn.
It's only one game. No it's not just one game. KU had the advantage in every aspect for this game. More depth, More experience, More talent, and even more game time this year. NO KU BLEW THIS ONE BECAUSE WE HAVE A HEAD COACH THAT WON'T ADJUST TO THE TALENT HE HAS. (Sorry for screaming). Someone said it best, "this feels like a tourney loss". I too felt like KU's season ended against MSU. It wasn't just that KU lost that game it's, how we lost that game. HCBS learned nothing at the WUG. Nothing. This season will be a repeat of last season. :(
Don't get me wrong I appreciate those that are trying to find the silver lining or putting a positive spin on all this. Yet please do me this one solid. Please don't wish, talk about, or even pray this KU team is a number 1 seed in the tourney. As a fan I do not want KU to be the first #1 seed to lose to a 16 seed. I'm not sure I can handle that.
I have to admit I can't wait to see Lucas and Traylor go. This HCBS love affair with these two is starting to drive me nuts. Everybody in America and Jayhawk land knows that Hunter and Bragg should be out there for the bulk of the minutes.
I just don't get it. I'll say it again I'll be glad when these two are gone. I thought last season was bad but I have a feeling HCBS is going to force feed the Traylor and Lucas show on us all season.
Same old Same old. Trying to put a square peg in a round hole.
Thanks for the laugh. I think you set me straight again. It was a little warped after that KU game last night.
KU to deep for the Spartans.
Relax the ass whooping is coming. KU hasn't hit the 3 all night it's coming.
Red Rooster, Red Rooster, Red Rooster. THE BEST!
I see a Spartan ass whopping coming in the second half.
I avoided the rain and grilled my heart out. Everybody is happy, yet confused when I said it's time to go home. They don't get it. It's game time and traditions must be practiced.
Rock Chalk
It's amazing how things change yet some things stay the same. As children we are taught traditions, and how to celebrate them. These can consist of anything like candles on a Birthday cake, having turkey on Thanksgiving, to opening your stockings first on Christmas Day. Whatever it is we remember and in some cases continue the tradition. Oh sure we've changed some of the traditions and in some cases make up our own traditions. Yet in the end we cherish our traditions and the things that remind us of those traditions.. Who doesn't watch a horror movie on Halloween, a Charlie Brown cartoon before thanksgiving, or Miracle on 34th st around Christmas?
Well The Champions Classic is kind of becoming a tradition for KU faithful. I believe this will be KU's 5th season playing in the classic. It's almost weird but for me it's like the beginning of the college basketball season. As I'm not able to watch the KU games on that ESPN (screw everybody over) 3 internet station. Ah but I digress as the world and it's traditions are changing.
I don't know if they'll continue the Champions series, or what it's future holds. Yet for this year and next year it will be the sign, the tradition that KU basketball has returned to me again. You know I think I'll take the day off from work that wonderful day. Stock my garage fridge full of beer. Of course I will stay up late Monday night preparing the meat for the buffet I will grill the day KU hits the hard wood again. I will drink, I will cook, I will feed my friends, I will feed my neighbors, I will feed the stranger passing by, I will feed my family, and yes I will even feed myself. When all the cheap beer is drank, and all the food is ate. Then the Charcoals will be cooled and the friends forced to leave. For you see it's a tradition that I watch the KU game in my Bedroom, by myself with My legs crossed and drinking a nice dark craft beer.
Geez I remember a few posters that thought I was completely off my rocker to think Bragg could wind up being a OAD.
Granted he'll need to climb up the draft board a bit more, but it's not to far fetched now is it.
Michal Brown punched the cop and tried to take his gun. What do you expect?
When I was younger I left a party with some friends (I'm white)(like it matters), to find some girls. Make a long story short we wound up in a back alley when the cops showed. They didn't ask for id's no they pulled guns. You know what my happy white ass did? Got down face first in the pavement of that dirty alley. I wasn't playing the hey I'm white card.
Yes Black lives matter, and so do Brown lives, White lives and so on. All lives matter.
Yet what is happening at MU isn't about equality. It's about the football team and minorities high jacking the administration. They in return will receive special treatment and positions because of the color of their skin. That my friend is racism.
Then why comment on it all? I was making a reference that what is happening at MU and the involvement of their football program is not a good thing. It wasn't like I was the only one that brought up the subject. As there where many topics and posts on the subject. And it's not like I said hey @Lulufulu what are your thoughts. You chose to respond or make a point to me.
You may not like my point of view on how to deal with Americans. Yet I'm ok just talking KU basketball with you. Just remember I didn't drag you into the fray you chose to jump in with what you believe is right.
You do know the kId never put his hands up? You do know the kid strong armed a robbery? You do know he bum rushed the cop while he was in his police car punched and tried to take his gun?
I guess I don't know what you want a police officer to do?
What happened in the civil rights movement. Wasn't about special rights. It was about equal rights. I have no problem fighting for equal rights. Never had. Yet when you give special rights to a race of people you're are creating racism. You're are saying because of the color of your skin you get special treatment. You're saying you can hold positions and work certain jobs because of the color of your skin. It doesn't matter whether you're qualified or not. That my friend is racism.
MLK never wanted special rights he wanted equal rights. I bet he's turning over in his grave right now seeing what in is playing out. Hell we are giving so many special rights to the minorities the cops aren't even allowed to arrest them for wrong doing anymore.
We can spin it this way or we can spin it that way. Yet when you give a race of people special privileges. You then create racism. It's just a point of fact.
To be honest Im quite tired of the race card. Yea one numnut does something bad and now there is racism everywhere. Sure racism is there, but it isn't a just a white thing. Sadly every time the race card is played. The minority class (blacks) get more favoritism. Creating even more racism. According to the students of MU blacks will be on the committee when picking a new president. There is no requirement that whites have to be apart of that committee. That my friend creates racism. I know racism still exist. Still until we look at people as Americans instead of the color of their skin racism will exist.
Bottom line if you give special rights to a race of people you're creating racism.
It's ok that students stand up. Yet it's not like the president didn't do anything. The real problem isn't the students standing up. It's that now the minority (blacks) have a favoritism in the school. That is the same thing as the racism the whites always get accused of.
I agree but I can never forgive how the Cav's treated Wiggs. Never.
I remember when Wigs picked KU. I was shocked. I didn't even know he was interested KU. Rumor has it he still wears KU gear.
Did not. :)
You see to truly play the high low you need a big man that can shoot a mid range jumper. To often people think the high/low is about layups and dunks. Actually it's far from it. It's a more about a big getting the ball with his back to the basket and has to make a move with one to two defensive players on his back. The paint is where hand to hand combat takes place. As fans we see a great play and say man that was easy. Yet we don't consider all the work it took to get to that point the basket looks easy. Like sealing off your man, feeling the double team coming, and just knowing what the defense player is giving you. Find a big that can play the High/low are far and between. The most gifted big men don't even come close to playing the High/low like it should be played.
I'll give HCBS this when you can play the High/low like it should be played its a thing of beauty. As you can get a basket anytime you need one.
Yes and no. Diallo has an engine that can but he's not really a back to the basket kind of player not to say HCBS couldn't teach him. Yet he is a OAD type of player. To play inside in you need players that can score with their back to the basket.
Diallo would help though.
HCBS's view on the three don't shoot the three until the game is almost over then shoot away. Sadly the opposing team knows they're shooting the three.
Go Figure?