BShark said:

Not sure how you can think that. Jay dominates Bill. Would slaughter again, coaching mismatch.

We would’ve won that game with Garrett. KU is just better. Is losing by a point getting slaughtered?

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark if we get another chance this yr, we prove that wrong!

Yessir!

Down goes Memphis at home to UGA. Also, our friends to the west blew a 7 point lead at the U4 and lost to Oklahoma. Lolz.

Precious Achiwua would sure look good in crimson and blue. Really excelling as a big for Memphis.

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

I haven’t! But it’s definitely on the hoops bucket list

Dean dome just to big I think. - you lose some of that cozy close college atmosphere. There have been times where I thought you like to see Ku have a new place enlarge to like 20,00 still would sell out -BUT you just lose something - our mystique . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Very much so. The footprint is just enormous and the ceiling is much, much higher than Allen. Makes it hard to fill (especially this year) and mostly quiet. Part of that is the UNC fanbase (the wine and cheese stereotype is oh so accurate) and part is the place is just sterile. Like an NBA arena sans suites.

ya I've kind of thought along those lines with UNC. - -it's almost like your at a tennis match.- - UNC scores and at times it's almost like a guy serving an ace at Wimbleton. - -nice polite clap and then back again to sipping your wine. - - THAT'S not College Basketball. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Absolutely. And the place is just cavernous. !Dean Dome nosebleeds ↗

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Bucket list places I would like to see games at. I would love to see a game a Cameron because it is a unique place and a great atmosphere. I know it's suffering from some similar issues that AFH does in regards to shifting around the seating for high end donors and students that's dulled it a bit just like AFH.

Assembly Hall at Indiana is a great atmosphere when Indiana is good. Hinkle is up there as well.

The Palestra in Philly is on my list. MSG is on there as well because I'd love to see the Big East tournament there one day.

Not really too many places out west I'd love to see. Only two I can really think of are the Pit at New Mexico and Edmundson Pavilion at Washington.

Cameron’s atmosphere is very odd. It’s a cool place, just odd. First thing I noticed other than it being tiny is the baskets hang from the ceiling like a HS gym, not on stanchions. It’s also odd because in the student sections there aren’t seats, just risers so you have to stand the entire time. !Cameron Indoor ↗

Can someone fix Memphis’s court? I feel like my tv is broken

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

I haven’t! But it’s definitely on the hoops bucket list

Dean dome just to big I think. - you lose some of that cozy close college atmosphere. There have been times where I thought you like to see Ku have a new place enlarge to like 20,00 still would sell out -BUT you just lose something - our mystique . - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Very much so. The footprint is just enormous and the ceiling is much, much higher than Allen. Makes it hard to fill (especially this year) and mostly quiet. Part of that is the UNC fanbase (the wine and cheese stereotype is oh so accurate) and part is the place is just sterile. Like an NBA arena sans suites.

jayballer73 said:

Texas Tech up 6 - - 36- 30 over Oklahoma State at the half at Tech. - - Holyfield has 11. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

I swear half the players in this game were seniors last year. Is Waters doing a PhD or something??

I haven’t! But it’s definitely on the hoops bucket list

But there’s no place like Kansas.

I’ve been to the Dean Dome and Cameron Indoor. Neither compare. https://t.co/CGKpNA1Q9F ↗

Honestly I think the risk of Wilson going pro early is overblown. Check out guys ranked 40-55 in the 247 composite from 15-17. Most are still in school, and many of those that did declare had extenuating circumstances.

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

jayballer73 said:

kina sucks - - we struggle trying to get a QB - -4 year QB - - and our ol buddies down the pike just picking up their commitment from 4 * QB - -best QB coming out of Colorado - and 2nd best ever QB coming to them.- -I don't get it

Color me skeptical he ever ends up there

Ahhh, so you don't think this 4 8 QB actually ends up at K-State ? - -not doubting but just asking - -guessing that's what you meant. - -ahh that would be to bad lol - -hope he doesn't. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Nope, I think once the big boys out west come calling he’ll peace out.

drgnslayr said:

jayballer73 said:

-AGAIN he has NOTHING to prove here - already done it -

I don't agree with that.

Right now... Self is a "one hit wonder." You know... like music groups that only pump out one hit. Guess we can say another version of one and done.

Self' should want his legacy to read that he sits on the top line in D1 coaching. He's not there yet. The conference streak was a huge help. But he needs national championships because there exists a pile of coaches that own more than one.

Winning one of anything sounds like a fluke.

Look around. Most of the basketball world puts Roy ahead of Bill. Roy?!!! Mr. Run and Gun. And I like Roy.... but... is he one of the greats ever to coach D1? It's like putting Cal in that group... Mr. Recruiter. Luckily, Cal hasn't won more. Yet.

Yes. Roy is one of the best ever to coach in college by any metric. Will probably pass Dean in wins tomorrow, has several titles.

jayballer73 said:

kina sucks - - we struggle trying to get a QB - -4 year QB - - and our ol buddies down the pike just picking up their commitment from 4 * QB - -best QB coming out of Colorado - and 2nd best ever QB coming to them.- -I don't get it

Color me skeptical he ever ends up there

Texas Hawk 10 said:

My question on Wilson is he even eligible for a traditional redshirt this season or would KU have to apply for a medical redshirt for this season down the line since Wilson played 2 minutes against Duke?

If he's eligibile for a traditional redshirt, I would be in favor of that because there's very little about Wilson's game that makes me think he won't be a 4 year player.

If Wilson isn't eligible for a traditional redshirt and would have to go the medical route, I would hold him out until he would still be eligible to obtain a medical redshirt then stash him on the bench as depth.

Of the 3 freshmen this season, Enaruna is still the one I'm highest on long term because of his size, skill, and athleticism and the one with the best chance to leave early.

Braun is playing better than Enaruna at the moment, but he's also already closer to what his ceiling is so I don't see him developing significantly more going forward and will be a fan favorite because of his effort. He's going to replace Garrett as the glue guy that does a lot of little things to make his team better.

Wilson looks like someone who will be in college until he exhausts his eligibility whether that's after 2022-23 or 2023-24. His game reminds me a lot of Perry Ellis with a little bit of Svi mixed in. Like Ellis, Wilson is primarily a below the rim player who prefers playing face up and doesn't have much, if any back to the basket game. He was a good shooter in high school so I think he could develop into a Svi like shooter by the end of his career. I also don't see him ever developing into a good defender. His footwork is just too slow to guard wings on the perimeter and he's too much of a finesse guy to deal with physical post players that he'll have to deal with at times.

Jalen Wilson is a good complimentary piece to have, but if he's the focal point of the offense like Ellis was his senior season, it'll be the same result at the end of the year.

I believe eligibility for a medical is if he played in less than 1/3 of games due to injury.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@FarmerJayhawk Were you actually looking for an answer to that question? I think you already know. Your post implied that he would be the 10th man in the rotation if he played. I'm saying that Self probably isn't even sure who the 6th man in his rotation is yet, and that minutes for rotation players 6-10 are still up in the air.

Yes, he will have to get better defensively and improve in other areas as well. Will he? I don't know. He's a freshman. I certainly think he deserves the opportunity to try this season if he wants to.

It was rhetorical. How has he earned an opportunity? If he comes in and lights it up in practice then I’d agree but barring that he hasn’t earned anything but a spot next to Mitch

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@FarmerJayhawk You aren't the coach. You don't decide whether or not Jalen is the 10th man. You don't decide how many minutes he does play if he is the 10th man.

Dotson, Marcus, Ochai, Doke are getting minutes. After that? If anyone else isn't having a great game I could easily see Jalen taking that player's minutes for that particular game.

We'll see. I don't think Self has a definite rotation beyond maybe 4 or 5 players at this point.

Ummm... no s#!+ I’m not the coach. Not sure where you were going with that. I just asked how many minutes Self (who is the coach) has played the 10th guy historically.

Well, Wilson could improve but it’ll be hard to come back and meet Self’s standards on defense when A) he’s never been a particularly good defender and B ) he wouldn’t have played real minutes in 3+ months by the time he’s back.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@FarmerJayhawk And by the way I said people who can't see Jalen fitting with this team lack vision. Somehow that became Jalen would play 15-20 minutes per game and shoot a better % from 3 than he ever has.

And he doesn't need to pass anyone in the rotation to get minutes. Braun and Enaruna are behind Dotson, Garrett, Ochai, and probably Moss in the rotation and they still get minutes.

I can read. You said if he’s knocking down 3’s. Well here’s the deal: he’s not a great 3 point shooter, low-mid 30’s at best behind the college line and is coming off a severe leg injury. Not ideal for shooting.

By definition for Wilson to get minutes he has to take them from someone. How many minutes has Self played the 10th man historically? Like 3?

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@FarmerJayhawk Braun. Enaruna. Moss. Any KU guard who is struggling. People are high on Braun right now and low on Enaruna. A while ago people were high on Enaruna and low on Braun. A guy like Jalen Wilson who can play at the 4 and knock down 3's is going to find minutes on a team where freshman struggle or heaven forbid players get injured. I never said it would be 15-20 minutes per game.

What are you going to say when it happens?

If it happens, Bill Self will once again prove he’s better at coaching basketball than me. If someone gets hurt that’s an entirely different question.

And to reiterate my point. Not saying Wilson can’t play or be a contributor. I’m just skeptical of him coming in after a pretty nasty injury and being a significant piece of the puzzle and if it were me I’d redshirt him.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@BShark Seriously. Who can't see a spot for a guy who can play a stretch 4 and shoot 3's on this team? That's some lack of vision.

Yep I’m sure a guy who’s played 2 minutes all season and hasn’t practiced in months will come in, play 15-20 minutes per night and shoot a better % from 3 than he’s ever shot in his entire life. But seriously, who’s he passing to get into the rotation when he wasn’t in the rotation to start the year?

We’ll see how he and the team are playing a month from now, but I don’t see the fit. I think Enaruna and Braun would be ahead of him, so that makes him the 10th man. Get him healthy and ready to compete next year. Going to need him.

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Ok Feleipe you’ve got like 12 hours to prove me right. Hustle up, young man!

Hey Farmer , have you heard anything about Franks possible headed to Iowa? - - curious , have read some posts from others off the Phog , saying there is some smoke about Franks landing there. - -Mercy I hope not - - -have you heard anything more ? - - -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Still KU

BShark said:

Rumors swirling that ISU lost a recruit after last nights game...

Would only be interested if it’s Foster.

jayballer73 said:

say what you want - - me? - -sure could see it - -AGAIN he has NOTHING to prove here - already done it - -his connection with RJ Buford - and Pops

Nastional Championship -DONE IT- - - Conference Titles - - DONE IT - - Hall of fame - - -DONE IT . - coach Self himself has said how tiring recruiting is and trying to convince players

Pops stepping down and manage personnel -let Coach do his thing with players. - -like Seth said great Communicator , Creative offensive Coach - -great Defensive Coach -connects with players - -saying help rebuild the spurs. -So at the end of the 2020 Season? - -don't count your Chickens.

Like the commentator said and Ku has this NCAA stuff lurking - Seth says , why would he want to deal with that - -says would you. I'm sure Coach Self is really fed up with the NCAA - never think ANY JOB - ANY PLACE is to good to walk away from - there is always something better - If he goes - - more power to him - -Thanks for the time you was here - -we will be fine either way. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Sure, all that is why it makes sense in theory. It’s missing a crucial point, what does Self want to do? The answer to that is stay at Kansas. The Spurs aren’t that good, so why would Self want to leave a top 3 job in the sport to get his teeth kicked in by the LA teams, Denver, and the other Texas teams? Barring a near death penalty Self is staying. At least that’s what he’s told Long, et al.

The Spurs could shut down next week and this rumor would pop up again. Nothing to it.

Ok Feleipe you’ve got like 12 hours to prove me right. Hustle up, young man!

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A few things to watch. Emmett Jones is a leading candidate to take the WR coach job at Texas. Former UTSA coach Frank Wilson could be a replacement. Worked for Les at LSU and coached receivers at Tennessee. Lights out recruiter in Louisiana and the across the South. Bowen’s replacement will likely be from within.

HighEliteMajor said:

jayballer73 said:

HighEliteMajor said:

Right, right, right, and right ...

Doke and Dave together? Nope. Evidence so far is pretty strong.

Self is maybe in a box a bit with Dave and Silvio minutes-wise.

It just doesn't work. - - I wish it did , I really like Dave - - -I really like Doke , but at the same time , it's just not working. - - -This team is just so much more fluid with the 4 guard around 1. - -Hell almost like a free lance - - drive and dish - -let it fly. - - The only problem is we have to be more consistent in our 3. Marcus does enough driving I'm fine with him. -- Braun is growing right before our eyes - -ki is going to be a winner for sure in a year or to.

You can see Braun getting more minutes - -Coach is seeing him getting better - - I just think we have to just scrap the 2 big - at least with who we have at the moment. - -If you want to run 2 big's they need to be more mobile that can step out and hit that 10-15 foot jumper with some consistency. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@Jayballer54 I wish it did too. All off season, I was expecting Silvio to start with Doke. That seemed to make sense. Doke and Dave just doesn't, whether watching or thinking about it.

Braun is progressing, but we should all expect bumps.

@FarmerJayhawk Ah, this is where Self being patient with Enaruna, getting him that valuable PT, has a good chance of paying off in March. I want to win the national title. Enaruna seems like a guy that could develop into an impact type guy. I would not pull that plug. I like the 10-12 minutes with more if he's playing well. We need to transition and go all in 4/1.

Are you thinking fewer minutes than that?

I like the 10ish number. He’s averaging a bit over 16 now, which seems high to me. I’d rather see Braun and Moss, with Garrett or Ochai at the 4. Push Moss closer to 25 MPG given his shooting numbers (42% from 3, 92% from the line) and Braun closer to 15. If we cut Enaruna down to 10 MPG and increase both Braun and Moss by 3 the math works.

Re: patience, that’s what we need with Silvio. He’s learning a new position and shaking off in-game rust. He’s our most mobile and skilled big and a tremendous rebounder. We have an immensely higher ceiling with him vs. McCormack. I love Dave but he and Doke aren’t good together. Would like to see Silvio get more than 9 MPG and Dave less than 17.

4 guards are fine as long as it’s the right combination. I’m cooling some on Enaruna at the 4, he’s making a lot of mistakes, isn’t making shots, and the advanced stats hate him. More Braun and Silvio, less McCormack and Enaruna.

We absolutely have to post better and pass out of the double. There will be open shooters all day if we can just find them.

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

jayballer73 said:

I know , - I know call me the ever last eternal optimist on this particular case BUT - - Clayton still dangling pieces just doesn't make any sense.

Shows Clayton and Pooka together here in Lawrence this weekend has a picture the two of them took together.

Like a poster said - - just doesn't make any sense if there isn't something there some smoke - - if there isn't SOMETHING just seems funny for a high school kid to be here AGAIN to see his buddy that he just saw a couple of weeks ago. -- Dude loves to play. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Man I’d love it too but it’s just not happening. We don’t have room for 3 RB’s in this class and need to sign Caldwell, Bryant, Jones, and Franks yet.

3 ? ? ? ?

Hishaw, APH are the other 2

Good win on the road. Onto the real season.

Garbage no call but don’t cry about it Doke

Marcus’s improvement as a shooter has been a nice addition to the team

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

I wouldn't mind seeing Braun and Silvio play more.

More of them, less Enaruna and McCormack

Silvio not anchored in the post frees up some lanes

Higgins.

Just like that back to 18. And we’ve been ass

Texas Hawk 10 said:

approxinfinity said:

Braun is more athletic than Brady and Tyrel

He's not the shooter either of them were though.

To be fair Brady had 9 years to develop a shot

BeddieKU23 said:

Can we hold the lead??

Yes. Decent chance Stanford doesn’t hit 47

StopWhitePeople2k22

Heat check

Ok who told our guys it was ok to make 3’s

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Crimsonorblue22 said:

@FarmerJayhawk snowing here🤣

Oof. My condolences

It’s raining!!

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Can Bryce Thompson, Dajuan Harris, or Tyon Grant Foster shoot 3's?

Bryce for sure. Grant-Foster is streaky. Harris isn’t really a shooter yet

Like starting 4 smalls

Bears salvage 8-8 so that’s fun