kjayhawks said:
If we can get it back 10 at the half I’ll be happy
Heyyy
FarmerJayhawk
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BRAUN
Not saying Doc Naismith is going to come back and smite everyone, but not not saying it either
BeddieKU23 said:
Actually our bigs are just not good passers. Doubling makes sense
Please keep saying this
They’re hacking Doke so hard in the post but no call
BeddieKU23 said:
Doke is unplayable today
Dave?
CONDI!!
Lolololol this is so bad
This game is awesome for our fg% defense
Cylinder?
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Moss!🤩
He loves garbage 2’s lol
BeddieKU23 said:
The bank is???
Holiday banking hours..?
Holy soft and 1
2 on Dot. Not great.
Stanford is doing a great job denying the post feed
First time Och didn’t look like garbage with the ball in his hands
Higgins and monitor time. Name a more iconic duo
Can’t lose if we pitch a shutout
Ankle looks fine
Well Garrett looks ok
My beloved Bears have been toast for a month so I’ll be all about the hawks
jayballer73 said:
I know , - I know call me the ever last eternal optimist on this particular case BUT - - Clayton still dangling pieces just doesn't make any sense.
Shows Clayton and Pooka together here in Lawrence this weekend has a picture the two of them took together.
Like a poster said - - just doesn't make any sense if there isn't something there some smoke - - if there isn't SOMETHING just seems funny for a high school kid to be here AGAIN to see his buddy that he just saw a couple of weeks ago. -- Dude loves to play. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Man I’d love it too but it’s just not happening. We don’t have room for 3 RB’s in this class and need to sign Caldwell, Bryant, Jones, and Franks yet.
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk A four guard line-up with one guy that can shoot. I wouldn't complain with that starting 5 though.
Just running through the concept. A lot has to shake out before we get a good idea of what it’ll look like.
We’re still 2 years out so they can certainly improve. Play Wilson or Braun over Brown if you need another shooter.
HighEliteMajor said:
So I wonder, does UA get their money back?
Always keep a gift receipt!
Moss has always been a guy that shoots a lot of bad 2’s and good 3’s, and makes and misses them in bunches. Then doesn’t do much else. Fran doesn’t demand defense so it’s taking time for him to adjust to Self. He’s a good kid but if he’s anything more than the 4th option and designated sniper we’re really boned.
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Sounds like we lead for Sallis.
I’d agree in that assessment. Just based on who we’re targeting, sure seems like Self is committing to 4 smalls. We’re losing 3 bigs over the next couple classes and aren’t really replacing them. I’m 100% wrong on some of the specifics but looks like we’ll trot out Harris, Thompson, Brown, Enaruna, McCormack as the 21-22 group.
BShark said:
Hearing KU might be getting involved here: https://247sports.com/Player/Trey-Alexander-46049846/ ↗
@FarmerJayhawk maybe you've got more on this.
He went head to head against Bryce Friday night. Both dropped 33 in a win for Booker T (Bryce's school).
Targeting multiple guards in 21 in case Bryce is one and done due to sanctions or blowing up. Another one to watch https://247sports.com/player/hunter-sallis-46057844/ ↗
This is exciting, to be Frank(s) 🐦 View Tweet?s=21
dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk I believe it has been an option when filling out your brackets on ESPN to get that “analysis” so it’s billed that way regardless of his intentions. And it’s junk at predicting outcomes so I’m not sure what it’s worth beyond entertainment. But that’s all basketball is so...
Gotcha. I’m somewhat of an analytics skeptic anyhow so I agree there.
dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk If you want to see how poor the professionals do in determining outcomes, give it a go this March. It’s laughable that they get paid for predictive analysis and this is what you get. Now as a source of entertainment it’s up there with the ap poll.
Does Ken say his model is predictive in addition to descriptive? Honestly don’t know.
dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk Ever fill out a bracket based on KenPom rankings? Pomeroy’s rankings are really bad at predicting outcomes. Case in point- Dayton lost to Colorado.
I’ll trust my gut and unless things change KU is an elite eight team that’ll lose to a “hot” three point shooting team. Easy to get hot with so many open looks. @Crimsonandblue12 I’m just setting a more realistic goal for this team (for myself). I’m tired of expecting a championship out of flawed rosters and being disappointed. This team is decent, much better than that train wreck last season that made me apathetic towards KU b-ball, but should be ranked no higher than 10. 5 is a gift.
No, usually use a principal components analysis + the eye test. KenPom is just a single metric and has its pluses (good snapshot of how a team has played so far) and minuses (not great at prediction). Have to take all that into account when looking at individual metrics.
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Yup. Product of the last couple HS classes being WAY down, quite a few kids sitting out from transfers, the blue bloods getting fewer top players, and more leaving early to go pro.
Very good points - -kind of disappointing in a way
Times they are a changin. My hope is after OAD goes away we get something like the baseball rule where teams can count on more continuity. While there won’t be as much talent, coaches will have more than a year to get a team to really gel and the product will get better.
BShark said:
@Crimsonorblue22 weird... I'm not watching it. Love Doke so screw them.
@FarmerJayhawk bigs tend to do better there. I'm not opposed but Bill seems to be. I think we have a very good team that barely lost two games. Now sure you have to figure out a way to hear good teams, getting tighter with the ball would be good. We just don't have an offensive answer for the bad shooting nights that will happen. The good news is the defense being elite should keep us in those games.
No doubt. Our B+ game is better than anyone’s A+ game.
Yup. Product of the last couple HS classes being WAY down, quite a few kids sitting out from transfers, the blue bloods getting fewer top players, and more leaving early to go pro.
BShark said:
Plus what choice does Bill really have? The bench isn't exactly lighting the world on fire.
MOAR SILVIO. Half kidding. But he’s been better in PER and WS/40 so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Rolled mine a few times XC running over iffy terrain and it’s as good as new now. My sister did the same in basketball and volleyball. Lots of variables beyond the injury. Marcus also has access to a heck of a lot better treatment than any of us.
Bwag said:
kjayhawks said:
I think Braun will be very good in a year or two but I’m not sold on much outta him for this season. He plays hard, that I like but Enaruna IMO is a much better player right now. I don’t think Self changes the PT a lot going forward we basically play 8 with Silvio's single digit minutes.
@HighEliteMajor posted that Enaruna has lowest PER on the team. Be interested in both your commentary on that point reconciled against thought that he is "better player now" comment.
Lowest win shares/40 as well. For reference, he has fewer total WS than EJ. I’d like to see more Dot, Moss, Ochai, Garrett, Doke. Ideally we get Silvio going.
I’m excited to see us come Big 12 play. Self’s teams always get better over break. Garrett has a good shot of playing Sunday and the ankle is reacting well.
I agree with @HighEliteMajor that Braun is the better all-around player. Moss is similar to Vick on the court sans being a major headcase. He’s an elite shooter but not much else. Which in some cases we really need. But Braun is better at about everything else. He still makes some dumb freshman plays but that’s to be expected.
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
jayballer73 said:
Farmer - - once again sure sounds like you right. - -Everything I've been reading/hearing is that Franks is coming. - I learn to really believe solid on what you say sooner then later lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
No update on my end. Which is a good thing!
In order of confidence signing in spring: Caldwell (near lock), Jones (ditto), Bryant (he’ll sign if he qualifies), Scott (us if nobody else wants him), Harden (JuCo lock).
Sounds good to me.- - I think Caldwell makes immediate impact - - Scott would make an immediate impact. -- Hey have you heard or maybe I just flat missed it, anything on Kyler Pearson?
He’s a greyshirt I believe
approxinfinity said:
@FarmerJayhawk how does it affect his nfl stock (Franks) if he comes to KU? +/-/= ?
All performance dependent. If he carries this team to 4-5 wins the NFL will take notice. If he continues to struggle in making decisions and we flounder you 2, he’s a day 3/UDFA developmental guy.
jayballer73 said:
Farmer - - once again sure sounds like you right. - -Everything I've been reading/hearing is that Franks is coming. - I learn to really believe solid on what you say sooner then later lmao. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
No update on my end. Which is a good thing!
In order of confidence signing in spring: Caldwell (near lock), Jones (ditto), Bryant (he’ll sign if he qualifies), Scott (us if nobody else wants him), Harden (JuCo lock).
dylans said:
@FarmerJayhawk But that’s pretty much based on taking KU to overtime. Dayton hasn’t beaten anyone either. It’s early, but it doesn’t look like KU will prove much in the non-con other than they go as far as Dotson takes them.
They’re KenPom #12 so that implies they’re a good team no matter their schedule. I think they’re a threat to go to the Final Four
dylans said:
@jayballer73 Playing Devil’s advocate, what’s KU’s biggest win? Dayton lol. We still don’t know if KU is any good, poor on court leadership led to losing to subpar Duke and Nova teams. I’m hopeful, but doubtful the glaring faults in this squad can be addressed.
I mean Dayton is a fringe top 10 team
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk if Tristan starts to know what the hell to do on D that line-up could be amazing defensively.
Lots of depth as well. Harris, Braun, G-F on the perimeter. Wilson, Silvio, and Mitch on the back end. That’s a really great 1-11. Then RS Jossell and Gethro.
Kcmatt7 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
Very good read from CJ Moore here.
Really excited about him. He reminds me some of Garrett but better offensively. Honestly he might challenge Ochai for the starting 3 position
Or Bill just commits to the 4-guard for good.
I have Enaruna penciled in at the 4:
Garrett, Thompson, Ochai, Enaruna, Dave
Ahhh I lobe the Bay Area. Wish I was going
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk They were 38.2% before our game. That’s in the top 25 of all D-1 schools. Bold emphasizes your purposeful misrepresentation.
Who on this planet can rationally think that giving up open three looks as part of a defensive strategy against Villanova is advisable?
Well two I guess. You and Self. Removing the word rationally.
What part of my answer misrepresentative? I cited Nova’s rank in 3 point shooting RIGHT NOW. Not my fault you can’t process it. I also cited they don’t shoot well against decent competition which you completely ignore since any data contrary to your narrative must obviously be Fake News or whatever people say now.
This debate is tired. Be sure to drop your suggestions in the Bill Self suggestion box complete with bold type and calling him irrational. That’ll surely convince him!
HighEliteMajor said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Our three point defense is ridiculously bad. There's a difference in what you've said. Bill Self has gambled that folks will shoot a low percentage from three. We know that. I agree completely. Results matter - the only result I care about is if we win that national title. That's it. 1988 we lost double digit games yet we remember that year much more fondly than any other years (but for 2008). The ultimate pain of losing in the tourney is devastating when we have NC quality roster. And what I've seen over the years is that Bill Self finds a way to sabotage our attempts to win a FF. Whether it be refusing to permit three point attempts, playing the same style of play after a big injury (Embiid), refusal to adjust to a team taking player away (Ellis), choosing to play a low level talent (then contradicting himself in later years about letting better talent play to develop), relying on security blankets (Brady, Traylor), and the ever present refusal to adjust.
The three point defense and refusal to prioritize to adjust to the current game is professional negligence.
That said, Bill Self is the single biggest reason we are an incredibly successful program. Without him getting us there, those items that stop us (in my little mind) from getting to the promised land (a NC) may not matter.
Our difference re: Nova is that I think allowing them to bomb away from 3 was the right call. They don’t shoot it well from there but are really good at action to get easy 2’s.
I’ll be very interested in how we defend Stanford, who is an elite shooting team at all levels.
That is just beyond crazy. Not sure what you’re talking about. Nova is excellent at 3 point shooting. Villanova was shooting OVER 38% and ranked 25th in the NATION in 3 point percentage going into the game yesterday.
Bey, Swider and Moore were all over 40% going into yesterday. Those guys, by the grace of God, went 4-16 on largely open attempts.
This further highlights the complete foolishness of our defensive approach.
By consequence you agree with this statement because you were supporting leaving three point shooters alone, because you presumed they weren’t good. Thus I assume the opposite is true.
You’re willfully misrepresenting what I said. I said Nova isn’t a great 3 point shooting TEAM. Yes, they have some good shooters. Most teams do. But the fact is they’re a much better team shooting 2’s than 3’s, and were only shooting 35% from 3 against anyone in the KenPom top 100 coming into yesterday. It's now 32%. My sense is great shooting teams do better than that. Typing something in bold doesn’t make it more true.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk are all teams 3%'s down this year, due to line moving back?
I want to say 3 point shooting % is down about 2 points from last year. Which translates to .6 fewer makes per game assuming 30 attempts.
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Our three point defense is ridiculously bad. There's a difference in what you've said. Bill Self has gambled that folks will shoot a low percentage from three. We know that. I agree completely. Results matter - the only result I care about is if we win that national title. That's it. 1988 we lost double digit games yet we remember that year much more fondly than any other years (but for 2008). The ultimate pain of losing in the tourney is devastating when we have NC quality roster. And what I've seen over the years is that Bill Self finds a way to sabotage our attempts to win a FF. Whether it be refusing to permit three point attempts, playing the same style of play after a big injury (Embiid), refusal to adjust to a team taking player away (Ellis), choosing to play a low level talent (then contradicting himself in later years about letting better talent play to develop), relying on security blankets (Brady, Traylor), and the ever present refusal to adjust.
The three point defense and refusal to prioritize to adjust to the current game is professional negligence.
That said, Bill Self is the single biggest reason we are an incredibly successful program. Without him getting us there, those items that stop us (in my little mind) from getting to the promised land (a NC) may not matter.
Our difference re: Nova is that I think allowing them to bomb away from 3 was the right call. They don’t shoot it well from there but are really good at action to get easy 2’s.
I’ll be very interested in how we defend Stanford, who is an elite shooting team at all levels.