BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk but, if grimes wants to come back and play pt.....
I mean I’d take him over McBride
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Crimsonorblue22 said:
@FarmerJayhawk but, if grimes wants to come back and play pt.....
I mean I’d take him over McBride
@Crimsonorblue22 I expect Dotson back.
BShark said:
@Kcmatt7 I think Self would even be interested at this point but Grimes' circle? I very much doubt it.
Last info I have is pre-draft process, but they didn’t want any part of college. Let’s hope for a Malik Newman style change of heart sans transfer. I think Grimes could have a huge sophomore year if he gets his head on straight.
tundrahok said:
I'm not allowed to discuss a university student's grades with a parent, without the student's written permission. Doesn't matter who is paying the bills. I'm pretty happy about that.
Easy excuse to tell parents to buzz off if need be lol
Jimmy Whitt to Arkansas. Time to fire up the Kyree Walker rumors again.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
It seems like it. I hope I'm wrong, but it'd be sad if Dad wanting money right now superseded his son getting to pick where he wanted to play basketball. Especially when his son is probably going to get paid a lot of money in a year anyway.
Had someone tell me today they think he'll commit to KU tomorrow then bolt when the Aussie team sweetens the offer. So even if he does announce for KU tomorrow I'll be nervous until he actually starts playing.
So he's probably just using the KU announcement tomorrow to get Australia to raise their offer then. And also probably why his 3 schools are Nike, Adidas, and UA - to see which will give him the most money. I'm depressed.
It's a possibility. I'm skeptical that's what they'll do but you never know I guess.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Tait backing this up on twitter now 🐦 View Tweet
I know who is source is so that makes a lot of sense.
Matt is my assumption.
Another older tweet on it: 🐦 View Tweet
What a shitshow.
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Tait backing this up on twitter now 🐦 View Tweet
I know who is source is so that makes a lot of sense.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
It seems like it. I hope I'm wrong, but it'd be sad if Dad wanting money right now superseded his son getting to pick where he wanted to play basketball. Especially when his son is probably going to get paid a lot of money in a year anyway.
Had someone tell me today they think he'll commit to KU tomorrow then bolt when the Aussie team sweetens the offer. So even if he does announce for KU tomorrow I'll be nervous until he actually starts playing.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
Is his inverted twitter picture a subtle reference to Australia?
Nah. Kids these days just like to mess with people. I just think old pops is rowing that boat south.
If I had to pick now, it would be Australia.
BShark said:
SMOKE SZN
I really hate the 24 hours leading up to an announcement. Worst day I ever had covering KU was DeAndre Ayton Day. Once we heard he was announcing that afternoon we wrote up stories about him committing to KU and how he would fit with the roster. I slapped together a piece on him committing to the Wildcats since the other 2 finalists were Zona and UK just as a contingency since everyone we checked with thought KU until about an hour before the announcement when Matt told us Ayton had an unofficial to Zona the weekend before and bad things might have happened.
Of note. Everyone's clammed up at this point. The staff hasn't been told anything.
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk You have done what many do when looking at material such as this. You have cited a section that is not intended to be used for eligibility, but a definitional section. It is a section to be used to define the an agent for NCAA purposes. This has nothing directly to do with whether the player would be ineligible. That is, whether the defined "agent" is acting on his behalf.
If you go further under that same section, it defines "family members." too -- 12.02.4 Family Member.A family member is an individual with any of the following relationships to the prospective student-athlete: spouse, parent or legal guardian, child, sibling, grandparent, domestic partner or any individual whose close association with the prospective student-athlete is the practical equivalent of a family relationship.
Like the agent, it’s just a definition.
But the definition of an agent goes to my point -- it states that an agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly, represents .. an individual .." So in this scenario, the only way on can do that is with authority. You can't represent someone without some type of authority to do so.
I suspect you are extrapolating the "attempts to represent" as opposed to "represents" as applying to his dad, meaning if his dad attempts to represent him, then he's an agent. Again, your citation for this purpose is not applicable.
If this is what you are doing, it is silly to suggest that RJ's consent or knowledge isn't need. Absurdity is sometimes demonstrated by absurdity. With that in mind, I could make RJ ineligible by trying to market and sell his services to the highest bidder. That would be without his authority. That is obviously not going to make him ineligible.
And in RJ's case (as was in the case with Cecil Newton) the parent has some authority to act on behalf of the kid with or without his permission or knowledge. We literally just went through this with Silvio. Fenny acted on behalf of Silvio in a way he did not consent to according to both KU and the NCAA. Disagree if you want there, but those are the facts as agreed to. Rod Hampton has the same relationship with RJ. He can call up the NBL and agree to a contract and void RJ's eligibility since he's the parent representing RJ, with our without his consent. Your argument is a straw man.
There has to be an agreement in place to void amateurism. If you, Mr. HEM, were to call up the NBL and ask for money for RJ Hampton they'd be like wtf and hang up. RJ's amateurism would not be affected. If Rod Hampton did that and fielded offers, RJ's amateurism would also not be affected. But if Rod and the NBL enter into negotiations and agree to a deal, then amateurism would be affected, with or without RJ's permission or knowledge. That's the entire point of the NCAA closing the Cam Newton loophole. Fielding offers != agreeing to a deal. The former is not a violation, the latter is.
The NCAA found that in a few cases, parents or handlers had either accepted or agreed to accept impermissible benefits and couldn't do anything about it because the rule said the player had to have knowledge and these third parties did not meet the definition of an agent. Since they closed the loophole, knowledge is not required and parents are now considered agents if they agree to accept benefits. Anytime a representative of the player accepts or agrees to accept money, it affects amateurism.
BShark said:
7:30 AM CST announcement time.
Let’s gooooooo
alwaysajayhawk said:
@Crimsonorblue22 I haven't heard anything solid, but I'm hearing that he is thinking about going to prep school for his senior year
I dig this move. I loooove KS HS sports (7 letters here!) but the level of competition is garbage.
Main role will be as a 4 alongside Doke and Dave. But he’ll be a small ball 5 depending on matchup.
@Texas-Hawk-10 for amateurism purposes the law is irrelevant.
@HighEliteMajor the NCAA does not require RJ’s consent or knowledge, " ... an agent is any individual who, directly or indirectly, represents or attempts to represent an individual for the purpose of marketing his or her athletics ability or reputation for financial gain or Seeks to obtain any type of financial gain or benefit from securing a prospective student-athlete's enrollment at an educational institution or from a student-athlete's potential earnings as a professional athlete.”
truehawk93 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
I see Darnell Jackson in Silvio. At least as of today. The ultimate garbage man.
Garbage man? Really? Ok...
It’s a compliment! His motor is elite. He’s an elite rebounder and will be a really good defender. But he’s not going to be a guy we iso in the block like Thomas. That’s Doke’s role.
HighEliteMajor said:
@FarmerJayhawk Great point on the control parents have over minors .. but in this case, RJ is an adult. He’s 18. So he’s the boss to the extent he insists on making his own decisions.
Unfortunately that’s not how the NCAA operates. Rod Hampton can call up the pro Australian league, agree to a deal, and RJ’s amateurism is over according to NCAA rules. It’s a garbage rule, but that’s what they did after Cam Newton’s ordeal (who also was over 18).
Something to keep in mind. RJ’s dad can unilaterally make the decision here. The way the rules work, if a guardian agrees to a deal with a pro team, it’s the exact same as the player agreeing. If RJ announces he’s going pro on Tuesday, there’s a good chance it wasn’t his call.
I see Darnell Jackson in Silvio. At least as of today. The ultimate garbage man.
alwaysajayhawk said:
Have you seen Ty Berry play at all?
Personally, no. But I’ve gotten a lot of feedback from people who have. And those are KU’s thoughts. So take it up with Self if you think Berry is better than the guys I listed.
alwaysajayhawk said:
I agree I think that KU needs to hurry up and offer Ty Berry, hes the best point guard in the Midwest.
I like Adam Miller better. And KU has Nix, Miller, Jalen Green, and Bryce Thompson above Berry on their board. Unless Berry improves a lot over the summer he’s not getting an offer until spring.
On the bright side, if things go sideways with R.J., timing is such that we could get Grimes back.
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 the only competition for KU is overseas. And I think it’s Kansas.
It's already been pointed out, but it would be weird for RJ to go on ESPN to announce that he's playing overseas.
Yeah this is where my cognitive dissonance is kicking in. At bare minimum ESPN knows who the legit options are so their analysts can do some prep ahead of time.
HighEliteMajor said:
Nothing is for sure. Still time for bags of cash to suddenly appear.
Yup. If it’s overseas you know UA backed up the Brinks truck.
jayballer73 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
@jayballer73 the only competition for KU is overseas. And I think it’s Kansas.
oh don't get me wrong buddy - -I always can rely on you for having/knowing pretty solid - -it's just that little bit of hesitance lol - - ROCK CHALK BUDDY
Oh definitely. It’s because I’ve never heard anyone say it’s done to Kansas.
@jayballer73 the only competition for KU is overseas. And I think it’s Kansas.
KUSTEVE said:
TROB was quick- lightening quick. And he had a sweet midrange jumper. Silvio has a way to go before he gets to that comparison level. Lest we forget:
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Thomas was an absolute freak show. If he comes back we win it all the next season. But he obviously had to provide for his sister.
@BShark not really. Just Memphis may add one more, might not. They’re not counting on Rayjon. KU dodged a bullet there.
@KirkIsMyHinrich sit one, play 3 guy who’s going to be a royal pain in the ass as long as Beard is there.
Tech just took another player. I’m 99% sure they’re at 13 now b
Gorilla72 said:
Commitment from Michael Jankovich ( son of Tim?). Dunno if he’s a preferred walk on or scholarship. Supposedly really good 3-ball shooter.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NMHbasketball/status/1132331908883464193 ↗
Tim’s kid and a walk-on. Honestly that’s 3 pretty good walk-ons with Jank, Elliott, and Luinstra.
Marco said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
Brooks over at the Memphis 247 site is saying they’re out on RJ. Just in case there was any consternation leftover. 😎😎
Two pairs if shades, huh? Hampton and Wilson.....
Better than even money I’d say.
@KUSTEVE he’ll be able to defend some 3’s, but not the quickest guys like if someone played 3 small guards. With our personnel next season I bet he’s more of a 4.
Brooks over at the Memphis 247 site is saying they’re out on RJ. Just in case there was any consternation leftover. 😎😎
Also playing 2 bigs will be marginally more advantageous with the 3 point line moving back.
@HighEliteMajor I concur. If he can consistently make a jumper from the FT line or a bit closer in a hi/lo type set it'll be very good offense since it'll make it much more difficult to double Doke
Big man coach Norm giving Silvio some rave reviews. Decent shot out to 15-18 feet, and can switch on some screens out on the perimeter because he's so athletic. https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article230837994.html ↗
@HighEliteMajor Wilson is much more ready to contribute immediately. Enaruna has a lot higher ceiling though, hence his higher ranking.
BShark said:
Right, if he gets recruited over for next year then yes he should leave. In this instance it's just a case of guys returning. Guys that will be gone next year and the path should be clear.
We’re going to try (Dante)
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk Seems like a lot of KU commitments lately announce on social media or just announce something at their school. Seems like Self/KU don't care how they do it, whereas some of the other bigger schools might to drive up hype?
Still feel great about Hampton though.
Agreed. Nike likes their kids to announce on ESPN. Everyone else is like ¯_(ツ)_/¯
BShark said:
Adding RJ and Wilson to the class brings it back into the top 10 nationally. Would be pretty crazy after all that went down this last year.
BUT SELF CANT RECRUIT ANYMORE AND WE HAVE TO FIRE ALL THE ASSISTANTS LIKE YESTERDAY
HighEliteMajor said:
Turning those words around, any chance Big Dave leaves?
No way. He’d have to sit out anyway, and he’s got a fantastic chance to start as a junior at Kansas, just like he would elsewhere.
HighEliteMajor said:
Not being too skeptical here, but ESPN broadcasting and announcement to KU? My first thought was that this has the earmarks of a Memphis announcement, and ESPN slobbering all over Hardaway and his #1 recruiting class. The next UK b.s. We've had so much negativity, it's hard to turn to positivity. I'm trying.
Skepticism is warranted. We’ve been snakebit by these things a lot. The last kid we got on an ESPN announcement was Billy. Whoops.
approxinfinity said:
@FarmerJayhawk if you don't see them together where does that leave Big Dave?
A 10-12 MPG guy. But will vary pretty widely depending on matchup. I can see him being the main backup 5 or a non-factor depending on if we play a team that also plays big (Texas?) or small (ISU).
BShark said:
@FarmerJayhawk I do! Mainly bringing it up since overseas appears to be not in play anymore.
I would agree with that. ESPN would’ve told them to pound sand otherwise.
ajvan said:
Too early to start discussing how Silvo and Doke will coexist when they're on the floor at the same time? My hope is that Silvio's secretly developed a trey and the foot speed to guard on the perimeter.
Never! I think the answer is we don’t really know since he hasn’t played in over a year. I think it’ll take some time for them to get going but I think they’ll be terrific. I also think they’ll be on the court together the minority of the time, especially if we get Wilson. You’ll see Silvio a lot at the 5 if Doke gets in foul trouble. The great thing is we can play every style.