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Hampton is the biggest priority at guard. Duke wants him to stay in 20 while they chase James, Anthony, and Antoine, and possibly have Tre Jones back for a second year. They definitely won’t have all 5. Probably 3. I think Jones, James, and Antoine. KU would be the team to beat for Hampton in that scenario IMO.

I bet he goes back west. Opens up a spot for a mid year transfer/reclass.

Transferring. Stunning development. Nothing in his background suggested anything like this.

70:30 conservatively. The staff is selling him on playing with Hurt. UNC seems more interested in Bacot. Those two are kind of an awkward fit together. Plus they’ll still have upperclassmen in Brooks, Manley, and Garrison.

@jayballer73 UCLA leads for Baker last I knew. He totally looks like a Dookie though haha

Tre Mann “reopening” his recruitment. Had KU as window dressing in his final 3.

Sticking with my prediction. Jacobs, Williamson, Hurt, JRE. As far as I know, we’re not leading for anyone else.

The Union and owners will have a deal long before 2023. Silver wants it gone and the union wants more members. Look for a new G League salary structure to make it a worthwhile endeavor.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the draft go to 3 rounds eventually to fill the G League with more young guys. The union won’t be super happy with it but I think that’s the only way to build a legit minor league.

@BShark count on it. Everything slowed down on the recruiting front for Self in June (U18, AD search) but they’re really going to get after it this live period. Especially since they won’t get another, similar shot at the 2020 guys.

I think KU has the best shot with Anthony, personally. Hampton probably depends on what happens to the one and done rule. If it goes away for the 2020 draft, I’m guessing he’ll just stay in HS and make the jump. I’d be really surprised if James left the Carolinas.

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer73

If he's not mentioning us that sounds like KU isn't making him a priority.

I'm not surprised.

I still hope that Duke can't get Anthony, Hampton and James. The key for KU will be reading the situation and prioritizing who they can of those three.

They won’t. At least not in 2019.

@jayballer73 for sure. I do think Sam could end up top 25-30 by the end of it. Between him, K.J., and Garrett we’ll be fine at the wing. I would like to add one more guard though, whether it’s Harvey or ideally Cole Anthony.

Really long way to go for Greeen. I’d say Arizona is leading now. I think KU is more interested in Sam Williamson at this point. Can’t see us adding more than one wing.

Syracuse has the premier sports journalism program in the country. They also try REALLY hard to do the “data journalism” thing which makes me chuckle.

@Hawk8086 yeah, that definitely happened. Mangino can coach football but he’s not really a good dude. He also totally lost the team in 2008-09.

If Bielema went 29-34 here he may get a statue.

And to be clear, the NCAA can’t access any of these documents unless this whole thing goes to trial and there’s discovery and all that. And even then, if whomever is charged with tax evasion or whatever dumb white collar crime gets acquitted, the NCAA has no case that any of these crimes actually occurred and would have to explicitly say they’re using a lesser standard to declare Silvio ineligible.

So to sum up, the chances that the NCAA finds out the whole story here are slim to none and slim is on his horse about to ride into the sunset.

@BShark ah yes. We’re on the same page.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

Do we know why Venables hasn't got a HC job yet? Seems odd.

There’s a thing that happened back when he was a player at KSU that’s been buried for a long time and he REALLY wants to keep it that way. Any high profile program doing deep background on him may not like what they find.

I've heard about that before actually. Not a great look but very far in the past now.

We may be talking about different things. Not to be confused with Kruger’s love child haha.

BShark said:

Do we know why Venables hasn't got a HC job yet? Seems odd.

There’s a thing that happened back when he was a player at KSU that’s been buried for a long time and he REALLY wants to keep it that way. Any high profile program doing deep background on him may not like what they find.

BShark said:

Anyone still think he will play? lol

Considering none of Maryland’s records will show any impropriety, yes. Schools are that dumb. Not like they keep a ledger of payments to players.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@FarmerJayhawk Beaty will get longer than CMU this year. The schedule sets up for 6 games a bye then 6 more to end the year. 6 games is what Beaty has this year.

Also, Brady Hoke will not be a factor the KU job if Jeff Long wants to win over the donors. Brady Hoke got worse each year at Michigan. When he took the DC job at Oregon, Oregon was the second worst defense in the country (both ppg and ypg) and went 4-8 in 2016. Last year as the DLine coach at Tennessee, the Vols went 0-8 in the SEC and had the 5th worst run defense in the country.

Nothing Brady Hoke has done since 2012 says he deserves a D1 head coach job, even at Kansas.

I don’t like Hoke either. Just passing it along. Hoke and Long go waaaaaayyy back. Played HS football together if memory serves. Long was QB and Hoke was his center.

Not to say Miles would take the job. I don’t know if he’s that interested in coaching again. But I think Long will give him a call once Beaty gets canned, probably after the CMU game assuming we lose.

@stoptheflop I asked about that yesterday. The two names that came up were Les Miles and Bielema. Willie Fritz and Brady Hoke will also be factors.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@FarmerJayhawk Where was Self's name in the FBI report linking him to the Silvio situation in a way that harmed KU? Unless something new came out, that was Silvio, his guardian, Adidas, and Under Armour involved. The closest Self came to being linked was that KU was determined to be a victim of fraud. Last I checked, being a victim of fraud does not make you guilty of any NCAA infractions.

In regards to your moral compass, adultery, bribery, and lying are all acceptable attributes in a leader and role model for 18-23 year old men, got it.

If you’re asking if Self was indicted, no. But coaches know this stuff goes on at their program. He’s recruited lots of guys everyone and their dog knew weren’t all on the up and up. Darnell Jackson, Selby, Cliff, Josh, and Billy being the ones that come to mind.

Sometimes it’s the price of doing business. I just don’t get bent out of shape about it. Maybe I’ve been in the field too long to care. But what Petrino did isn’t worth blacklisting the guy if he performs at a higher level than anyone who’s coached at KU.

And you’re not going to convince me and it’s obvious I’m not going to convince you, so have a good one. I’ll admit you’re right if, as you say, Long’s football hires were the worst.

I don’t think KU gets any sanction from Silvio’s deal. You asked if Self had been linked to anything that could harm KU and that’s certainly one. Also multiple affairs and the possibility of a love child if you must know.

Yeah, I’m familiar with the Petrino story. And yet, I’d still hire him in a heartbeat. And before you ask, no I wouldn’t hire Briles because there’s a huge difference between white collar stuff and covering up violent felonies.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@FarmerJayhawk Thanks for the heads up that every coach cheats. Fire them all and let the players self police themselves to stay honest about cheating then.

Please tell me an allegation against Bill Self that would force KU to fire him the way Long had to fire Petrino at Arkansas.

I’m in favor of not firing guys for the run of the mill stuff. Wait, are you saying fire him because he did it or because people found out?

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@FarmerJayhawk Actually no, the NCAA has yet to say anything about Silvio one way or the other. Should the NCAA retroactively determine Silvio is ineligible and strip KU of the Final Four last year, they need to vacate every game any player and coach named in the FBI report participated in, otherwise the NCAA is setting themselves up for a massive lawsuit to be filed against them.

Lastly, where was Bill Self named in that report in regards to having knowingly committed any potential NCAA infractions? All that report says is that KU was the victim in the Silvio case, not the perpetrators in the case.

Did you see where I said if? I’ve got oceanfront property about 4 hours nw of Lawrence to sell you if you don’t know that coaches don’t have any idea that this kind of thing goes on. If you’re not bending or breaking NCAA rules, you’re not competitive.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@FarmerJayhawk What potential sanctions has Bill Self been connected to? Suspending a player as soon as Self is informed their eligibility is in question?

Other coaches would've played Billy Preston last year because the NCAA never ruled him ineligible. Other coaches would've played Cliff Alexander once the payments became known. If the Silvio investigation drags out into next season, guaranteed Silvio is not suited up until there is a definitive ruling on him.

You answered your own question. If Silvio is ineligible we’ll vacate our FF and Big 12 title. Not saying it’s right, but that’s the penalty.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@FarmerJayhawk What has Self done to open KU up to a potential lawsuits? Because that's what Petrino did to Arkansas.

And I was also fine with the Mangino firing as well at the time it happened and have never wanted him back either despite his success here.

Lawsuit specifically? Not much. But the program is.. ummm... less than squeaky clean... the potential revenue loss from any sanctions are much more than a lawsuit.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@FarmerJayhawk And you keep ignoring the off field baggage of Petrino which included having an affair with a volleyball player, lying about a motorcycle accident to cover another affair he was having, and that he stole $20,000 from Arkansas.

Ok, I’ll acknowledge he’s less than ideal in the character department. But he won the Orange Bowl at Louisville and the Cotton Bowl at Arkansas. He can flat coach and I’d take bowls every year with the occasional 10+ win season in a heartbeat. Self isn’t a saint either and I’m sure you’ll be calling for his ouster next.

jayballer73 said:

@FarmerJayhawk Again total ignorance on my part. Who is this guy you speak of? - -Coach? - -what? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Long hired Bobby Petrino at Arkansas and finished 3rd in the country back in 2011. The guy knows some football.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@justanotherfan Actually, you can hold Long accountable for the hire because Petrino had known significant character flaws before he was hired at Arkansas going back to his first stint at Louisville and with the Atlanta Falcons.

Cool. And I can hold him accountable for finishing 3rd in the country in 2011.

Kofi Cockburn going to visit next month. Literally the perfect replacement for Doke.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@FarmerJayhawk

Thanks for the information and context; it makes a lot more sense now.

No problem. I think his style of play would be good for us too. Tough, hard nosed, establish the run. Control the ball.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@Woodrow His two football hire at Arkansas flat out sucked. Bobby Petrino was an absolute embarrassment off the field and Bielema sucked on the field. There is no spinning that in a positive manner. Hiring Bielema from Wisconsin was not the achievement you claim it to be. It's widely known that Wisconsin is one of the cheapest schools out there when it comes to salaries and why Bielema left.

Good lord there’s a lot of BS here. Bielema was making almost $3m a year when he left Wisconsin. The state does limit assistant coaching salary pools though. Petrino won 11+ games twice in a row. At freaking Arkansas in the SEC West. Bielema took over from John L. Smith and increased Arkansas’s win total from 3 to 8 in two seasons. In the SEC West. If he went 8-5 here he’d have a statue built. If those hires sucked then we REALLY need a hire that sucks.

I’m giving this an A-. Jurich was my #1 choice but I don’t think he was ever given serious consideration. Long made 2 really good football hires in Petrino and Bielema. Arkansas has really good facilities throughout as well. He’s a super marketing guy, and former head of the CFB Playoff Commitee. Loves fan engagement too, with over 100k followers on Twitter. I for one would do backflips if he got Bielema to Kansas.

@Hawk8086 Sam, if anyone.

I have a rule against reading FanSided. Used to work there, less than fun experience. I think they like their stories to be a mix of First Take style hot taeks and PowerPoint slideshows. Made a few good connections though.

I think we end up with something like Jacobs, Hurt, JRE, Williamson, and another guard. Could be Harvey or hit a HR with Cole Anthony. Probably will add another too via transfer or a late bloomer.

Woodrow said:

Rivals is releasing their new rankings this week and did a sneak peak of their top 10. JRE made a nice jump up to #9 and Hurt is #5. Need to find a way to get both of them.

A few more targets:
Anthony at 2 (+2)
Jaden McDaniels at 4 (!)
Josh Green at 10 (+6)
Tre Mann at 29 (+8)
Sam Williamson at 34 (+10)
Zach Harvey at 47 (-6)
Chandler Lawson at 86 (-13)
Jacobs at 91 (-7)

I still think it’s pretty likely we get both. Ideally JRE pops around Late Night and Hurt during the early signing period. I think Sam Williamson does too. Then we shoot for the moon for a Cole Anthony, RJ Hampton (pending reclass) or Precious Achiwua if he’s still on the board come spring.

jaybate 1.0 said:

BShark said:

jaybate 1.0 said:

Vick is the difference between a paper team and a real one.

Back when Brown found him, he was a future PG; then Self put him through the play-out-of-position at the 2-3 for 3 years. Board rats forget he is really a PG. Like Devonte and Tyshawn he is primed for a great 4th season at the point, after serving as domestique at the 2.

Vick at point would be cruel MUA most games!

Self will probably start out playing him as a sixth man at all perimeter positions to show Grimes and Dotson they aren’t ready.

Vick was never considered a PG. He was recruited as a 2/wing.

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Evidence please.

Next.

Man, you’re too smart to give me such an easy one. KU announced him as a 2 when he signed. https://kuathletics.com/news/2015/6/2/MBB_0602155530.aspx ↗

Sounds like Hurt to KU could happen in the fall. Would be a great addition and solidify a need early on.

KUSTEVE said:

@FarmerJayhawk I'm not trying to be confrontational, but the 12 hours remaining for Vick to graduate was a quote from Self that was published on KUSPORTS: "After the summer session, Vick will be just 12 hours shy of graduating, Self said."Perhaps I am ignorant, but I wouldn't think it would make any of us guilty of any crime by quoting what our head coach said.

Oh yeah, my mistake. That’s what I get for skimming after one too many last night haha

A couple things on this.

-Vick will have to earn everything. From his number to minutes to looks.

-If it doesn’t work, he’s gone. Degree or not. Nobody really knows how far away from a degree he is. That’s a FERPA violation. These things absolutely don’t leak in any concrete way. Anyone who says they know is party to a crime.

-From a basketball standpoint, this is a low risk, high reward play. I think we end up with a small guard, Grimes, Vick, Lawson, Doke playing most of the minutes.

-Along those lines, averages will be stupid. Anyone who cites an average without context doesn’t understand basketball. Ignore them. Look at who plays against different teams that play different styles. Yeah, it’ll take some work but none of you want to come across as morons, right?

-1-13, it’s the most talented squad in the country. Not sure anyone is that close. However, people don’t play 13. We’ll only play 9 at most: Moore, Dotson, Grimes, Vick, Garrett, Lawson, Lawson, Silvio, Doke.

-Vick “should” be better this season for a couple reasons. He’ll be able to plan exclusively as a guard/wing and has every incentive to do those things well plus be a good teammate. He immediately adds shooting and defensive ability. Otherwise he won’t play.

-Holy s#!+ we’re loaded.

FWIW I like UNC fans more than any opposing fanbase. They hate the same schools we do and have a ton of shared history. Even had some buy me a round of shots after the Elite Eight game this year!

I do think we get JRE though. The U17 games really showed what’s possible with Self’s tutelage.

Not the best news I’ve heard. But I think we’ll be fine.

@JayHawkFanToo decommitted yesterday.

@justanotherfan agreed. Taking another wing who’s probably better off redshirting is meh. Let’s see what we can pull in the 2019 class or the mid-year transfer market.

I’m 90% sure it’s this guy. But don’t look for KU to be involved this late. Better off holding it open. https://247sports.com/player/mickey-pearson-46035661 ↗