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It’s all but impossible to compare HS and potential college 3 point percentage. The lines are different, the competition is different, and the style of play is different. Grimes could shoot better in college since he’ll have a bunch of open looks, or the deeper line could cause him some problems.

I’m concerned because he doesn’t appear to be a natural shooter. He’s never been a great FT shooter, which tells you the best story.

I think he plays. First, everyone is preparing like he is. Second, nobody has proved a thing. Third, the NCAA cleared almost everyone when names leaked last year. If the NCAA is consistent, they’ll vacate UK’s wins from when Bam was there.

Just watched the replay. A couple observations:
-Grimes is going to be really good. He’s way more advanced than almost anyone on the court. I’ll be curious to see how his game translates against better athletes in college. Well-deserved MVP though.
-Hurt and JRE are almost must-gets. Hurt is so skilled, and a better defender than I thought. He’s a ways away, but will be a really good college player. JRE is coldly efficient and had a great motor. He and Hurt would be great complements. Honestly, Hurt/McCormack/JRE would be the best frontcourt in the country, and that’s not even including Silvio.
-I want Cole Anthony baaaad. He’s as most complete a guard as I’ve seen in awhile. No idea if we have a shot at getting him (sounds like it’s a pretty locked down deal so far), but he and Dotson would be dirty.
-There are a few under the radar types that impressed me: Watts and Josiah James especially. James reminds me of Marcus Garrett somewhat.
-What happened to bigs? This team was pretty thin up front. How are Bacot and Hepa ranked that high?
-Another reminder of how good Self is. USA wasn’t great for awhile, then found another gear late. He’s probably the best at maximizing talent.

@BShark KU has a shot at Anthony. I think we’re in his top 5, with Duke, Nova, Oregon, and maybe Kentucky. A lot will depend on how rosters shake out in the fall and spring. Duke won’t get him if Tre Jones is back and Josiah James, Antoine, and Wendell Moore go there. Kentucky will have a bunch of guards too: maybe Quickley, Green, and Maxey. We’ll be out if Grimes stays for year 2.

He and Greg Brown are legit KU options in 20. Also not a shock, but sounds like the U18 targets have really liked playing for Self.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@FarmerJayhawk I read where Self called Hurt an athletic guard. 🤔

I think he misspoke. The plan is to play him at the 4 if we get him.

I don’t want Hurt playing much, if any 3 in college because I don’t think he can guard smaller wings. Ideally we’d have Hurt at the 4 and Silvio or Dave at the 5, with JRE being the first big off the bench.

This is a little older comp but he reminds me of Keith Van Horn.

He’s a college and NBA stretch 4.

@BShark Nova really in on Cole too. Also a loooong way to go. Doesn’t really talk about recruiting.

Nifty hi lo from Hurt to JRE. Sign of things to come? 😉

@DoubleDD everyone is preparing like he’ll be eligible and will play.

I’m not worried about JRE yet. The staff is still selling the JRE/Hurt frontcourt. UNC is always going to be a recruiting threat (it’s an aweseome place to be) but there’s no comparing the Dean Dome and AFH. The visit should seal the deal.

Slater dropping in a CB for KU and Hurt.

@wissox he didn’t. Otherwise they wouldn’t be talking about going to back to college.

Good call. I’d welcome him back. Would immediately be our best outside shooter and maybe this process has lit a fire under him. His skillset is a perfect fit on this team.

Here’s a weird one. Lagerald Vick withdrew from the draft. Methinks he’s going overseas and will enter the draft next year.

Ehab Amin decommitted from Nevada. I wouldn’t hate adding him. 6-4, averaged 17 points and almost 7 boards a couple years ago.

BShark said:

Not sure adding Silvio objectively changes much. Would be nice though.

It changes a bunch. Silvio is our second best rebounder and second most skilled big. He’s a good FT shooter who will be a really good 5 man at end of game situations. I really don’t want to have to depend on Mitch and Dave for big minutes.

Good news is if things go to hell at the end of games, we have Silvio. He’s well equipped to play the 5 and is a good FT shooter.

No reason to withdraw beforehand. Just hold out for someone to call up and give you a guarantee.

Woodrow said:

Reid Travis is withdrawing from the draft and will be grad transfer. Sounds like he is heading to Kentucky. Enormous addition for them. He would have been first team all PAC 12 next year.

Nova is involved as well. Look for them to make a push now that Spellman is gone.

This is going to be a fun matchup. UK will be super young again, probably starting 4 freshmen. Hagans, Quickley, Johnson, and Montgomery. I think all their guys stay in the draft.

@dylans ah, didn’t mean that at all! Was more in reference to earlier comments about some conspiracy to make KU players taller than they actually are.

All these things are true. Bill Self is clean. KU doesn’t pay players. KU doesn’t participate in exclusively clean recruitments.

Sure there are outliers. But KU has been very accurate over the years. Like I said, this isn’t complicated.

KU has measured guys really accurately over the years. They all have been in line with camp, Hoop Summit, and combine measurements. They actually had a few guys taller than their listed heights. T Rob and Wiggins for sure. I remember Self saying once when Svi got here that “we measured him and he’s around 6’8,” which was legit.

On the shoe thing, guys who are that much bigger wear shoes with taller soles to better cushion their giant feet. This isn’t that complicated.

dylans said:

Isn’t Art Briles in hell?

I mean he should be 😂. For a football coach, I’d look at Seth Litrell from North Texas. Young, was a legit college QB at OU (captain on a title team) and has done a very good job at a tough place to win.

Nobody is working on anything because there’s nothing to work on. The NCAA hasn’t sent notice of allegations or anything so everything is totally normal. Silvio plans on suiting up as planned in the fall.

FWIW, nobody knows anything on Silvio so they’re preparing like he’ll be good to go. I tend to think he will be.

HighEliteMajor said:

I'm hearing John Currie is an old friend of our new Chancellor. Sounds like Currie might be the guy.

Yeah... no.

@BeddieKU23 Zenger was the CEO and the company’s biggest function was in the tank. It’s not complicated.

I totally believe him in that something would have to “fall out of the sky” to fill the last scholarship. With Doke likely coming back, there’s only room on the perimeter. And there’s only two guys I know of are considering reclassifying: Stanley and Lecque. Neither of which is likely to move to 2018.

@BShark it’s hard to put into words how much I hate those kind of articles.

Doke said in the Star he’d probably be back without a first round guarantee. I like that a lot.

Offer to keep an eye on. Combo forward Jaden McDaniels. Moved up 80(!) spots in the 247 rankings up to number 10.

Remember the Mitchell Robinson saga? Took another turn today when he withdrew from the combine. He would’ve been terrific at KU if Self would’ve made him get his head on straight.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

KU has a good shot with Lecque, but probably not in 2018 barring us having to go small because of departures.

Seems like if he does go in 18 it would be Brandon Rush kind of late.

Oh yeah it would be after AAU season. So he probably wouldn’t really hit his stride until conference play. But he’d be our most explosive player right out of the gate and could play off the ball, where he’s more natural at this point.

KU has a good shot with Lecque, but probably not in 2018 barring us having to go small because of departures.

I know Scott from when he was at the UDK and I was at Through the Phog. He’ll be good at providing stuff for folks to read.

Only reason I mention it is because he’s getting recruited over, we have a need, and we finished 2nd (by A LOT) in that one. Figured it would be a fun way to pass a slow day or two.

@ReggieKansas lol no. I needed a break from work this afternoon so I asked a question.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@FarmerJayhawk

24/7 has both Grimes and Dotson ranked ahead of Quickley ↗; no way he starts over them. I rather take Cremo who fills a bigger need for KU.

My bad, should’ve been more clear. He’d start alongside them both, moving Grimes to the 3.

Zany theory (read: 100% complete speculation). What if Quickley wants to decommit from UK? They’re already recruiting over him with Maxey and Hagans. We could start him at the 2 pretty easily.

@BShark USC*

Almost all big programs are very careful to avoid being directly involved. As the flagship Adidas school, KU intentionally stays out entirely and let’s Adidas... ummm... assist in matching KU to guys who want to play for a blue blood. Same shady stuff happens with UK and Duke, and Oregon to some degree as the flagship Nike schools. Miller and Pitino got involved because they had to. Book Richardson made these deals happen going back to Tarc. Kentucky has Wes. Duke and Oregon have Nike guys at the EYBL. All the flagship schools get to stay hands off while the top talent magically appears.

jayballer73 said:

@FarmerJayhawk So you are saying recruit the top notch talent no matter what the consequences is no matter what? - Just use the I'll be dam approach. - - -Let's take the glory today for the possible consequences tomorrow -The throw all caution to the wind right?

I’m saying that to play in this sandbox, sometimes you have to get a little dirty. We shouldn’t be reckless about it, but sometimes you have to deal with shady people and bend some rules.

I don’t really care how it looks. Go get talent. You all want to win and win big? Go get guys who are legit. We aren’t going to compete with the Duke/UK/UNC’s of the world by only going after squeaky clean dudes.

BShark said:

Duke offered 2019 PG Josiah James. Hope they get him!

Same. Though I’m kind of conflicted because I love his game.

I see Cremo as a 2/3 at KU. He can play the 2 and slide Grimes or Garrett to the 3. He played some point at Albany but I’d rather have him off the ball. He does have a good enough handle to bring the ball up on occasion. I think he competes for a starting gig immediately if he picks us.