The accusations seem to be about isolated incidents and not the institutional, systematic cheating type of violation that went on at UNC. Unless something bigger and more closely tied to the program surfaces, I just don't see this being a big deal and they probably get a slap on the wrist and a tutor or two get dismissed.
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The Walmarts in my area carry quite a few high end products; if they don't have it you can order it and pick it up at the store in a couple of days. Very few thinsg that you cannot order at Walmart anymore...at least in my area (Johnson County, Kansas)..
Devonte is 6'2" and when you see him next to Mason he is a good 3"-4" taller. He has decent height to be a NBA PG and in college he could easily play SG as well; he is the only player in the team, IMHO, that has shown he can create his own outside shot. Svi on the other hand is 6'8" and unless he develops Magic-like skills, probably too tall to play PG and he is better suited to play either SG or more likely the SF.
Vick is an interesting case. While his natural position is SG, he appears to have the tools to play PG and also the height (?) and shot to play SF. He could be a player that can be used on various lineups at various positions; the type of versatility Coach Self loves.
he "snacks"...???
Obviously he is not recruiting and, AFAIK, he did not bring any of the current class of recruits. No question that Townsend and Robers are Coach Self's top assistants. Bechard is Director of Basketball Operation and in charge of logistics. a position many have used to learn the ropes of how a program works and as a springboard to an Assistant Coaching position. I will guess that in the next couple of years he will be an Assistant at KU or another decent sized program.
Quartlebaum is an interesting individual, this is a comment from Coach Self when he was hired:
“Now we add a person like Fred Quartlebaum who has been around big-time college athletics having worked at Notre Dame, Iowa State, North Carolina and St. John’s as a full-time assistant. Fred played a huge role in the recruitment of the Carolina team that went on to win a national championship. He brings a ton of energy and organization and we feel Fred will be a perfect fit here at Kansas.”
Looks like he might be in line to replace Snacks.
Giddens was not the only BBall player at the Moon bar when the incident happened, he just happened to the be one that got stabbed and run off the team. When I think of all the stupid things I did when I was 19, I thank the Lord that I did not end up like many others and I had people in my life that had patience and provided guidance...not that I was bad kid, just a natural born rebel.
In this area, coaches/ADs have to pick their battles or risk losing credibility. This was a losing battle not worth fighting and wasting future good will.
What can I say...I had some wild years back when...:)
A lot of misinformation about Giddens. If you read Beyond the Phog by Bill Simmons, you get a very different view of him.
Kenny Gregory? He had a verified vertical leap of 45.5", highest verified.
Oh, I love me some Steve Miller Band music...
You're the cutest thing
That I ever did see
I really love your peaches
Want to shake your tree...
...old girl friend's favorite song lines...she had great peaches and I did like to shake her tree...:D
I looked all the recruiting services and none list Snacks as being KU's recruiter for Vick. Snack territory is/was supposed to be the Chicago area where the East-South is more Self-Roberst who, BTW, are named as the recruiters for both Diallo and Bragg.
Again, I would be curious to know where you found the information on Snacks recruiting Vick; the KU Athletics site ↗ that normally has this information does not list Snacks as the recruiter either...maybe this is his punishment for his past misbehavior.
One toke over the line sweet Jesus
One toke over the line
Sittin' downtown in a railway station
One toke over the line
...one for all the old timers on the forum that remember it...
Agree. This coming season will determine if Shepherd is a potential NBA prospect or just another role player.
I agree, The NBA is probably in the best shape it has been since the Bird-Magic-Kareem-Jordan glory days.
While I agree that there is a drop in quality as you go down in rankings, you also have to consider that there is a lot more parity now than ever before. On a given day, just about any team in the top 50 can beat another team in the top 50; 40-50 years ago (UCLA glory days) there were a handful of schools every year that were head and shoulder better that the rest, fortunately that is no longer the case and as you indicated, you can find quality teams all over.
I am not so sure about that...
- Game 1 - 37 min, 8points, 4 rebounds, 0 assists, fouled out
- Game 2 - 22 minutes, 6 points, 6 rebounds, 1 assist, 4 fouls.
- Game 3 - 22 minutes, 6 points, 5 rebounds, 1 assist, 4 fouls
Pretty much his average for the season. I believe Sepherd is a solid role player but not one that will lead his team or be a difference maker. Just my opinion and I am sure others think he is much more than that.
Karviar Shepherd, IMHO has not set the world on fire and has been an average player at best
Last season, his second, his number went down from his freshman year
- MPG: 30.8 --> 23.8
- FG%: .410 --> .428
- Rebounds: 6.8 --> 5.7
- FTM-FTA: 3.0-4.3 --> 1.3-2.2
- Blocks: 1.6 --> 0.8
- Steals: 0.7 --> 0.5
- Points: 9.1 --> 6.1
With his promising freshman year you would think his numbers would go up, instead they went down. Considering that Freshman Link Kabadyundi that averaged just over4 MPG is the only player taller than him, it is surprising that Shepherd's numbers went down.
Dude is definitely skinny...:)
First, where would I watch Small time HS basketball games, other than attending the games in person. Essentially all the games shown on the sports networks are from the top private and public leagues and just about every single team has at least couple of really tall players 6'9" or taller.
Yes, the private and prep schools make up a very small percentage of HS basketball in this country but they make 90%+ of the players that end up in elite programs such as KU. Again, essentially all the HS basketball games I watch on TV involve elite programs with players that will be recruited by KU and all have "big" bigs. Look at the top 100 or top 150 players and you will see that probably half come from Catholic Schools alone; look at the current KU recruits, 2 out of 3 (Diallo and Bragg) played for Catholic Schools.
Over 500K kids play HS BBall and out of those 150K + are seniors. ↗ Considering the the average Division I program gets between 3-4 new players every year, the combined 351 Division I programs will take roughly 1,000 new players every year or less than 1% of the available pool. Of of those ~1,000 players, KU will recruit roughly from the top 100-150 so you can see where the pool of potential candidates for KU is extremely small and those are the players I choose to watch (when available) the other 99% are never on TV anyway.
BTW and FWIW, according to several sources, the average HS BBall player is now 3"-4" taller than 40 years ago.
Maybe I should have qualified my original post by adding "on TV" after "I don’t know how much HS BBall you watch." However, I did mentioned in my original post that I was referring to "All the top ranked teams in the Country have a few of them. ESPN3 and ESPNU as well as other sports channels show a lot of HS games and I try to catch a few here and there." I never implied that "ALL" the programs in the country have them.
So much for that, let's move on...
Rico Suave could have chosen to go to the NBA; maybe he will end up there after all sooner than he planned...:(
Fist paragraph...
"In 2014, development team athletes participated in the Senior European exhibition tour, as an opportunity to gain valuable international experience. This summer the team will compete in the 2015 FISU Universiade in Gwangju, South Korea from June 4-14."
Obviously a typo and it should be July???
Also, looks like players from Canadian Universities and none from the pool of the much better Canadian players playing in US Schools.
How...
He is a very good recruiter that seem to spot potential among the lesser publicized players. He would make a great replacement for Snacks who, as far as I can tell, was not really involved in the recruitment of any of the players in the current class.
Like a couple of posters here (we are in the minority) I am not sold on Chuckwu; he did not do much at Providence, that plays in a league not nearly as good as the Big 12, so there is nothing out there to suggest he will do well in the tougher Big 12. Yes, he is a footer and as such he always will have potential, but beyond that, he has not shown much. I have done some reading on Coleby and he seems to have as much or more potential than Chuckwu and he seems to be more ready to contribute than Chuckwu as well. I guess we can compare notes in couple of years and see how each developed.
BTW, I give this class a solid 9.
KU does not recruit from the 30,000 HS in the country. KU recruits from the top programs and occasionally from a lesser known program with an outstanding player. The majority if not all of KU recruits are in the top 100-150 players in the country and just about every single one of them was his team's MVP, All-Conference, many All-State and a few were the State's POY. The players KU recruit are not necessarily playing in the local leagues but many come from private "basketball academies" that play national competition. No sense in comparing the average KU recruit with average HS player...the average HS player likely ends up playing JuCo at best and only the top 1% of all HS players end up playing Division I basketball. The pool of potential KU prospects is limited and highly competitive. Just my opinion.
Sounds like Otzelberger passed on interviewing for HC jobs elsewhere and did not get the ISU job either; I bet he is not happy.
I don't know how much HS BBall you watch but 6'9" players are not that uncommon; however, competent and athletic 6'9" players are not that common. All the top ranked teams in the Country have a few of them. ESPN3 and ESPNU as well as other sports channels show a lot of HS games and I try to catch a few here and there.
Several differences in the rules that players will need to learn and then forget after the WUG including tipping the ball when it is over the cylinder.
With all due respect, I don't think the comparison with Shaq is valid. Yes, Shaq was not the most skilled player but he was 7'-2" and 325 pounds and very strong so he could run over just about any player; the same cannot be said about Cheick Diallo who is 6 inches shorter and 100 pounds lighter, wouldn't you agree?
I believe we might be surprised by how much readier than we think Diallo is. If you watched the All-Star games, a few players stood out as being more ready than the rest and Diallo was at the top with Simmons and Trier close behind.
I did not mention Griffin at all, so you must be thinking of another poster. I did mention that Diallo might have a TRob sophomore but not quite junior-like season...unlikely that any freshman would have a TRob junior-like season that made him POY candidate.
I posted a link above where Blatt, who coached Kaun on the Russian National Team, is very interested in pairing him with Mosgov.
$50,0500,005,00?:euro: :frog: :tired_face:
$550,000,000 minus 2 zeroes at the end = $5,500,000 or $5,5M (app. 4.87M Euros)...right?
Green was starting to play better defense (particularly rebounding) last year when his slump occurred and now we know why. I guess how much he plays will depend on how well he can learn to create his own shot and what kind of defense the opposing team has. If the defense sags to protect the paint and leaves open room then he can come in and fire away; however, if the defense play tight, a player like Svi would be the better option. In a way, it also depend on how well our inside game develops. If it is good enough to force defenses to pull in, then the outside opens up; if the inside game does not draw the defense in, then the chances of getting open shots from the outside decreases and so does Greene playing time.
Spot on. Cliff is a very gifted athlete but unfortunately he was hopelessly behind when it came to BBall IQ, the result, no doubt, of a HS system (not much different than playground BBall) where the coach pretty much turns the players lose and they do what their natural talent tells them to do, which in many cases is sufficient in HS but seriously deficient when they get to college. Another year of college will have done wonders for Cliff as he learned the proper way to play basketball.
We are still not on the same page. Other players are recruited earlier because scouts and coaches see them playing for while, many since elementary school. Embiid came to this country when he was 16 and he was playing only in his second year (the first was pretty nondescript) when he was discovered by KU and of course no one had hear of him...yet. He was way too new in the scene to be noticed and as I indicated, KU was lucky to sign him when it did. As someone else posted, he was "discovered" quite by accident and quickly signed...a masterful move. By the time he actually got to KU he was a "bona fide can't miss" prospect that would have developed anywhere he went.
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this issue as we cannot seem to get on the same page.
Two zeroes too many? $550M in 6 years is $90M+ per year...that is more than the top 4 NBA players combined!!! I believe he just finished his 3 year contract that paid him over $1M per year so it is more likely $5.5M in 6 years.
There is talk that the the Cavaliers are interested ↗in bringing him since he played for Blatt before in the Russian National Tam.
The late games will not be a problem but the 6:30 AM will be...for me anyway. Hopefully one of the sports networks will carry the games so we don't have to go searching for internet streams like we are forced to do at the beginning of the season thanks to Zenger...whom I still hate.
Coach Williams followed Brown at KU and he built his reputation as KU coach and then he enhanced it at UNC by winning 2 NCs. I am sure Coach Brown's record would have been better at either level, particularly college, had he stayed put in one place. Since he did not, his record at both levels is fairly pedestrian and now he is pretty much out of time to dramatically improve it.
You can get tickets directly from the Sprint Center box office here ↗or from the Kansas Athletics ticket office at 800-34-HAWKS for a lot less.
By the way, looks like the upper sections will not be open so most tickets should be pretty decent. I watched a Big 12 Tournament game from the very top tier and the view was surprisingly good.
I understood that they had planned to sell only 10,000 tickets for each game, so I figured there would be plenty of seats available. The tickets were supposed to be $50 for both games...are they sold out now and so tickets are going for $45 per game?
Again, we are talking abut different times during Embiid's recruitment. You are talking about before KU "discovered" him and I am talking about the time between when KU signed him (November) and the time when he actually made it to KU. The reason you did not see a lot of school recruiting him, none actually, is because he had already signed with KU and other schools were no longer able to approach him, as per NCAA rules. Had he not signed, he would have had every major program in the country after him. Again he was ranked #6 overall and #1 Center in the final ESPN ranking...before he ever made it to KU, and by that time most everybody and his dog knew he would be a special player.
As far as contribution, Embiid's contribution, and as I mentioned before, was limited because by the time he was starting to really dominate he got (re)injured and did not play again. Had he stayed healthy and led KU to a Final Four or better yet, a NC, his contribution would have been remembered for a long time. As it stands now, I believe Withey contributed considerably more on his Senior year than Embiid did in his partial season. Just my opinion.
Compared to the top coaches in college and in the NBA, Coach Brown's record is pretty pedestrian. The only thing that makes his college record above average is his unlike title while coaching KU in 1988. In many ways, the legend of Larry Brown is bigger than the reality.
I see Coach Brown retiring in 2-4 years and other than as an at-large adviser, I just don't see him actively coaching again; he is almost 75 years old now.
Based on what he has done at WSU in the last few years, and regardless of how much many KU fans hate him, there is no question that Marshall is one of the better coaches in college basketball
I feel like I have to chime in on Embiid. Coach Self was extremely lucky to lock in Embiid early (November). By the time he played in the Jordan Classic, many coaches such as Pitino and Fraschilla were calling him the best center in a long time; he finished rated 5-star in all rating services and #6 overall in the ESPN rankings and #1 Center; pretty much the textbook definition of "can't miss" prospect. Had Coach Self not locked him early, he would have had every elite team knocking on his door. By the time he got to KU he was not an unknown but potential waiting to explode...and he did...until he got injured.
Where did you get the information that baseball contract are not guaranteed? Like all contracts they are guaranteed if that is what the contract calls for. Now, if a player retires or is forced to retire because of injuries suffered in his own time, outside baseball, and in the list of high risk activities the contract specifically prohibits then, and like every other contract, the team can contest and void the reminder of the contract. Baseball teams routinely get insurance for the larger contracts. Many players that could no longer play due to health issues were able to stay with their teams, collect salary and the club collected the insurance until they officially retired; Bagwell, Belle, and Puckett come to mind.
Other than pants-backwards, I have not heard anyone else mention Marshall as a potential candidate for the ISU job...and it would not surprise me if he pulled this news out of his arse just to aggravate KU fans. Marshall has his sights set higher, where? I don't know; however he even turned down the UCLA job a couple of years ago. He has the players for one more run and after next season the team will lose key players and he will likely leave at that time as well.
The one thing Diallo has going for him is his incredible motor, something that still is valued in college BBall, particularly in Self-ball. I am also very excited about Davonte and, as far as I saw last season, he is the only player capable to creating his own shot, he is a good shooter and has height to boot....all in all a very promising combination.
Coach Williams was not prominently mentioned in the NCAA charges and he is now in the process of negotiating what could well be his final contract and he will likely not be personally affected by the investigation. It looks like the Football Program will bear the brunt of the punishment and the Basketball Program will get off with light punishment. UNC BBall being one the favorites for the upcoming season will make it unlikely that the NCAA imposes heavy sanction on the program.
You snooze you lose...Chucky Cheese waited too long and Coach Self signed Colby Cheese instead. Good life lesson for him that sometimes you need to strike when the iron is hot and if you wait too long someone else will take the spot you thought you had.
As good as Embiid was -when healthy- and as high as his potential was/is, his contribution at KU was limited by his injury and it happened at the worst possible time and left KU bare inside; had he been able top play the entire season, particularly in the NCAA Tournament, the narrative would be quite different. If you look at Withey's senior year, his contribution was much larger and season long. If Diallo stays healthy, I can see a huge upside...maybe a TRob sophomore but not quite Junior like contribution.