I knew there was a reason why I like Jimmy Kimmel...on the other hand, I seriously dislike Letterman.
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No question that Duke has the easiest path to the Final 4...
I don't believe KU owns a Gulfstream they own a 7-seater Cessna Citation CJ4 ↗ and partial ownership (time share) on a Phenom 100 4-seater jet ↗. The Gulfstream is probably Calipari's :)
My example was not not meant to be a be a verbatim comparison, but simply that when we agree to follow rules voluntarily (me the homeowners association by-laws, Cliff and family the NCAA rules) then we really cannot go back and say...I decided that I will not follow the rules I voluntarily agreed to. I am not comparing the severity of the personal intrusion, I am simply saying that we both entered into a binding contract that we have to honor; by the way, my homeowner's association requires that you provide written documentation on the type of roofing you want to install and a copy of the contract that specifies the product in question, and they have the authority to reject if it does not meet the association criteria. As far as guests, you cannot compare one to the other since my guest are there for short period of time and they do not participate or are part of the association activities, and as long as they obey the rules in regards to parking and good public behavior, there is no problem. The players, on the other hand are an integral part of the NCAA activities and are there for extended periods of time; in fact, they are the reason for the existence of the NCAA.
I am not sure I understand why it is a problem for Cliff's family to follow the rules they voluntarily agreed to follow when it does not seem to be a problem for the families of the 1000's other players that follow the rules. Maybe you can explain that to me.
Positive thoughts to you hoping that you get to feel better.
Let's take a minute to think...I am defining a great game as a game well above average and close to the player's ultimate potential:
How many great games has Perry had? Many.
How many great games has Mason had? Many
How many great games has Oubre had? A fair number
How many great games has Selden had? Several
How many great games has Traylor had? Several
How many great games has Lucas had? A few recently
How many great games has Graham had? A few
How many great games has Greene had? A few
How many great games has Michelson had? A few
How many great games has Svi had? A couple???
Now...
How many games where 1 players had a great game? Most
How many games where 2 players had great games? Many
How many games where 3 players had great games? Several
How many games where 4 players had great games? A couple???
How many games where 5 or more players had great games? None that I can think of.
Think about it, we really have not had any games where 5 players between starters and bench played great games and most players (other than Ellis and Mason) have been consistently inconsistent. If Coach Self can get 4-5 players to have great games, KU would be hard to beat. This is what I am thinking will happen and I am sticking to it...what can I say...I am a Jayhawk FANatic.
Some additional quotes from Coach Self to add further context:
**COACH SELF: You may not agree with how I assess our team, but we have had a really good season. **
But in order to say, 'Hey, it was a great season,' you've got to do well in the NCAA Tournament. The Big 12 tournament counts, but it doesn't really count. If you win like Wisconsin, they got a chance to celebrate the Big Ten championship for five minutes and then forget about that, they go onto the next deal.
Iowa State got a chance to celebrate until about 2 p.m., today and then they will focus in and do everything else. We got a chance to feel sorry for ourselves until about 2 p.m., today and then that's over. Our energy is totally refocused. It's the shortest time frame that you can either be sad or you can celebrate anything.
It was disappointing, obviously, to lose (the Big 12 title game to Iowa State). But if we had have won, I'd feel the same way today as I did, because the other thing is fresh and new and that kind of stuff. So that was disappointing, but there's not a long hangover with it.
**But in order to make it a great season, we have to do well in the (NCAA) Tournament. To me, I think how we do in Omaha, at this tournament, will determine whether or not it's a really good season or whether or not it's a great season, to be real candid with you. **
I would love to be able to go to the Sweet 16 and play maybe the hottest team in the ACC potentially and then play the best team in the country. And if you're able to do those things; if it happens, it happens. But if it doesn't, it doesn't. I do think these first two games are definitely what I would evaluate this particular team's success on as far as to make it 'great.'
Interesting factoids:
KU lost two times in the non-con schedule, to Kentucky that is the overall #1 seed and to Temple that is playing in the NIT; KU was indeed Temple's highlight of the year.
Stanford, that beat KU last year, joins last year's Champion ConU...I mean UConn in the NIT. KU's current streak of 26 appearances in a row look that much better...Kentucky's current streak is. a whooping...TWO!
I am not sure where you got the $240 million in career salary for Collison but his lifetime salary is closer to $50 according to every source I have found including this site t ↗hat seems to be the most often cited source for this type of information.
Also, as per this source ↗: "Sports agents generally receive between 4 and 10% of the athlete's playing contract, and 10 to 20% of the athlete's endorsement contract, although these figures vary. NFL agents are not permitted to receive more than 3%, and NBA agents not more than 4%, of their client's playing contracts."
In all fairness in relation to item 4, here is the entire quote from Coach Self:
"You know what, if this team gets a chance to play in the Elite 8 game, then it's been a hell of a year -- let's just call it like it is. And regardless of who you play, it would be a great opportunity, for a one-shot deal, to go to the Final Four."
The second part of the sentence puts the first part in context and does not sound as bad as the first part take in isolation. Getting to the Elite eight and having a one-shot dealt to go the Final Four and ruining Kentucky's best scenario in the last 50 years would be priceless...and would place KU in great position for the Title. Possible? Hell yes, probable? Maybe not so much. Just my opinion.
Thanks for the correction...and assist; point taken.
Gonzaga might be in weak conference but look at their non-con schedule, other than a very close OT loss at Arizona, they did not lose another game until a fluke conference loss to BYU; I watched most of both games as well as others and in a way they remind me of Wisconsin, a solid team with no obvious weaknesses and lots of strengths.
You are absolutely right, as I have mentioned before, the NCAA does not have the "right" to any private information; however, if there are allegations that the NCAA rules were violated, the NCAA has a fiduciary obligation to its members to investigate so all school compete on a level field.
Just because they did not do anything illegal does not mean they did not break NCAA rules. Let me give you an example, when I bought my current home it was part of a sub-division that has its own rules and regulations, supposedly in place to protect the home owners and membership is not optional, if you buy a property in the subdivision, you automatically are a member of the association and have to follow the by-laws...and pay the yearly fees. I did not have to buy a home here, but once I did I was bound by the regulations that include getting permission from the association's architectural committee to do things like replace the roof or paint your house. I could replace the roof of my house for one that is not approved or paint my home a color that was not approved, and while neither of these actions are illegal or violate any city code or ordinance, they are indeed in direct violation of the subdivision's by-laws that I voluntarily agreed to follow. In my subdivision, the association has the right to force you to correct the problem and if you don't, they will do it for you and place a lien in your house. By the way my guest have to also follow sub-division regulations when in my home. . If you are not willing to abide by the subdivision regulations, you can always buy a home in a different location that does not have the restrictions. BTW, most every sub-division in my area has similar regulations
The NCAA is an organization with voluntary membership and members/schools participating in NCAA sanctioned activities agree to follow the rules. It is really that simple; if you don't want to be subject to the NCAA rules, you don't have to do it, you can play JUCO, overseas or one of the many semi-pro leagues but you will not have the prestige of the NCAA in the same way I would not have the prestige of my sub-division if I buy a home somewhere else.
Let's not blame the NCAA for doing what they are required to do. The blame appears to lay on Cliff's family that "allegedly" and knowingly broke NCAA rules and in the process placed Cliff's future in jeopardy.
Both :)
You really don't think they will win the first game? You sound like MU fan. KU might not always win but I certainly expect them to win every single game...that is the best part of being Jayhawk fan, we DO NOT expect to lose...ever.
I agree and I have mentioned before that in the NBA the 4 and 5 are one and the same and what is now referred at the "stretch 4" has become popular. However, my point is that given two "EQUALLY" capable players, one being 5 inches taller than the other, the taller player will always have an advantage at the rim and better numbers.
My point was made to bring context to the comment that:
UK shot 529. Kansas 528.
UK scores at 69.3% at the rim. KU 56.5%.
And...
***And for what it is worth, this stat has nothing to do with context. The stat shows that we, by and large, have difficulty scoring at the rim. UK is tremendous at the rim. ***
Yes, UK has better numbers at the rim, but a lot of it has to do with the huge height advantage they have over KU and most every team they play; this is what I call context. Have you seen Towns or Cauley-Stein jump and grab offensive rebounds right over the defensive players? The fact that they are footers playing against much shorter defenders makes a huge difference; it does not hurt that they are elite players to boot.
Money? even if he goes in the second round (like Mario) he would still make more money than most Americans do...not a lot of $200k-$400k jobs out there for someone with one year of college.
I have seen them several time and I am impressed. They have height, bulk and good skill players; a pretty complete team that is well coached.
Don't you think that other teams seeing KU light it up from 3 and preparing for it did not have the bigger effect? KU plays in tough conference with what ? 5 teams in the top 25?...and they DO have say in how the game plays out and they actually did.
Other than Graham and maybe Oubre, the other 3-point guns at KU are pretty much spot up shooters that will not create their own shot, Greene certainly is the best example, he will hit just about every time when he is in position and not guarded, but if there is defender near him he will either not take the shot or miss it. Mason and Perry will take 3 point shot only when wide open and Selden is probably the better shooter at using the screen to shoot over; just play a tight man-to-man and you take the 3 point away from KU. Compare this to ISU where all their shooters can actually create their shots, take them and make a fair percentage of them. This is precisely why Coach Self went back to playing inside. Just my opinion.
I don't believe that KU would be penalized for something it did not do or did not know. TTBOMK, As soon as KU was notified by the NCAA of an investigation, it took the proper action and sat Cliff. Now, if KU knew about this issue earlier than we think it did and still played Cliff...then that is a different ball game, but I really do not think this is the case; schools are super careful in this area because they are aware of the potential consequences...it is just not worth it, unless you are Calipari, of course.
Wayne's World...excellent, excellent...
He does not play much and is really a non-factor.
If he can use the games he is sitting as the penalty, his best bet would be to come back for one more year. He is now slated as a marginal first round, and with many players getting extended looks (like Oubre) at the Tournament and moving up in the draft boards, I believe he might slip into the second round. He could have had breakout performance at the Tournament but now that is pretty much toast.
If Duke and Gonzaga make it to the Elite 8, I will take Gonzaga over Duke.
...and now a liar too boot...
Participation in a sport at a school under the jurisdiction of the NCAA is voluntary and when you do this you agree to follow certain rules and provide information when needed. By now, it seems pretty obvious that something happened that was against NCAA rules and this is why the family is unwilling to provide the information; as I understand it is phone records, something you can go on the Internet and get in a couple of minutes.. Too bad that in the process they seriously harmed Cliff's potential career and future.
I am not sure. The NCAA could apply the penalty to the games he sat and will sit out this season. Of course there is the matter or repaying the loan...
Dick Vitale was on the Fox and Friends show early this morning and said that it was Ashley that kissed him. The other pictures of the event showed her kissing him on the cheek not the mouth; it was after that that Vitale planted the big wet one on her...unbelievable...
I agree. When the story broke, my first thought and post was...what agent thinks that Cliff is ready for the NBA?
The truth is that very few people even know that Adidas provides the uniforms for the NBA; I know many if not most did not know this fact when I posted the information a few weeks back. Adidas is paying a lot of money for the privilege and getting little in return; they are probably better off getting more colleges signed where brand names have more appeal.
The player he blocked is former MU player Phil Pressey...just like old times. Nice.
There is an expression in boxing that says a good big man will beat a good smaller man every time. Likewise, given two "equally capable" front lines, one being 5 inches taller than the other, the taller front line will outperform the shorter front line at the rim every time. If capable height is not an advantage, why is there such a premium on capable tall players? If the shorter front line is equally good then teams, including KU, would be looking for good SF and not PFs and Centers. The entire knock on KU all season was that we did not have capable big men; UK on the other hand has several very capable tall players that are the true strength of the team...the twins are good but really not that good to make UK such favorite. This is a lot of the reason why UK's numbers at the rims are better than KU's.
Once Cliff turned 18 he is no longer a minor and "legally" he is completely independent from his parents. However, the NCAA is not a government agency and has no power to subpoena the family or force them to cooperate; the only recourse they have is to work with the school to get them to have the family cooperate and the school will in every case suspend the player until the family cooperates. Short of that, there is nothing Cliff or the school can do. If the parents did this without Cliff's knowledge, they really did him a huge disservice but it would be extremely difficult to have a player turn on his family and hard for the school to hold it against the player who might not be at fault. Biggest losers might end up being Cliff and KU through no fault of their own...of course, all of this is just speculation.
I am not sure I saw it. Lasts week as was pretty tied up and did not post hardly at all.
Sorry, I misunderstood the last sentence in the first paragraph. WSU seems to be a favorite of certain people, particularly those who resents KU. Keep in mind that WSU had performed better than KU in the last two tournaments which include a Final Four and a loss to eventual finalist UK last year.
Interesting that Both Louisville and UK are worth less than their revenues while KU is worth more than its revenue.
This type of odds simply mean that if you bet 1 dollar and KU wins then you get 8 dollars; apparently KU and WSU have the same odds. Kentucky does not even have even odds; you would have to bet 11 dollars to win 10 if they win the title last time I checked....unheard of odds in as far as I can remember. No question they are the prohibitive favorite.
WSU does not have the same overall talent as KU but many believe that with Baker, VanVleet and Cotton they have the best starting back court in college basketball. WSU is a capable, well coached team that plays with discipline and confidence; they will be a very tough out.
If I recall correctly only 15 players can travel and dress for the game. BTW, the WSU roster shows 16 players and Frankamp is not one of them.
Nothing succeeds like success; a run to the Elite 8 would certainly enhance our chances of getting a quality big.
SEC - 5 teams out of 14 = 36%
Big 12 - 7 teams out of 10 = 70%
Ergo, the big 12 is twice as good.
If you are talking about "Conner" Frankamp it would be hard to do either since he will not be playing..
Groce got the job at Illinois by virtue of one good run to the Sweet 16 in the NCAA with Ohio University; he went to the NIT last year and is headed there this year as well. A flash in the pan. Next is Kevin Ollie, he won the NCAA Title with Jim Calhoun's players last season and he did not even make it to the Tournament this year...another one hit wonder?
As a matter of fact I am a Civil Engineer although in the recent past I have concentrated on the development of software for Infra-Structure and Asset Management for Public Agencies and I am also currently working on a proposal to build a computer controlled servo-hydraulic testing system similar to the one I built for the USAF/NASA for use in the the Space Shuttle program.
We are what used to be called left brain-right brain type of personalities, although I believe these terms are no longer used.
As an engineer I am the more analytical, more to the point type of person, while you are the more creative, deeper thinking type. One is not better than the other, we are simply wired differently and we both contribute in our own ways. Nothing wrong with that.
Having played a tough schedule, all the conference teams know that they cannot take a game off...hopefully the conference will do well; no reason why the Big 12 could not have at least 4 teams in the Sweet 16.
Everybody beat misery...
Please do tell...how exactly do you tell someone "respectfully" that is, that "they don't know what they're talking about"?
I did not mean to offend you but your comment showed a gross lack of knowledge....you know about Wisconsin and I defer to you on that subject and I don't make uninformed comments about them. I KNOW about Dayton and I will leave it at that.
Self's major decisions on strategy have been vindicated.
HEM is going to bitch-slap you...ROTFLMAO :) :) :)
Lumpy, the court Storming was at Utah Valley and not at New Mexico State and it was last season.