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@kjayhawks We need to get our Big Man U status back.

Yea from what I understand, we were never a good fit for him. He wants to run point and be a pretty ball dominant player. Something we pretty much never have.

On top of that we have championship level talent again next year so PT will have to be earned. Playing through mistakes isn't something that he would be able to do here.

Seems to be more of a trend lately that these top players would rather go to a lesser program and guarantee themselves PT than earn it at a Powerhouse.

I also think Self is rather honest with these guys. Which I like much more than the way Calipari spews bullcrap.

@Statmachine #1 in blocks per 48. By a lot...

@Statmachine 4-4 the other night against the Cavs. He made that game go down to the wire. Philly could actually win a few games when they start playing Embiid more minutes.

@BeddieKU23 Salary cap increase is making it more intriguing to stay put too. The T-Wolves will be able to offer him 20% more than anyone else can... Plus I see him enjoying being in Minnesota where he doesn't have near the spotlight he might somewhere else. I'd say he has a better chance at staying in Minnesota than leaving.

@jaybate-1.0 you have made no valid points. Your traveling and charging "theory" has no validity as there is absolutely nothing to prove that to be true and there are absolutely ZERO numbers to support it.

Superfluous.... When someone can give 10 reasons why Wilt wouldn't do what he did in the 60s in todays game (I do still think he would average in the very high 20s ppg and about 15 rebounds a game) somehow none of those matter. Except for the one thing you have brought up which again, has not been substantiated in the slightest, "traveling and charging." I mean quality and size of players is 10x a better argument than "in my opinion it is easier to score when you can travel and charge because when I was a little boy in gym class it was easier to score when we did that." Absolutely awful points you have made for your case. And I expect better from you...

@Texas-Hawk-10 Giving Mizzou a lot of credit there I think.

I mean hiring a D2 coach to be the men's basketball coach to run a P5 program was a pretty awful idea...

Plus I think Les could turn them around faster than just trying to continue the status quo with Odom. And if the thought crossed my mind, I could only imagine what some of the serious boosters have thought after this season.

I mean wasn't the whole point of hiring Odom was to keep the program in tact. But literally no close losses (minus the homecoming loss to Middle Tennessee and Georgia who lost to Vandy) has got to start looking like the writing on the wall. Why give him another year? This isn't a "rebuild" is it? I mean I know if we went from being SEC champion contenders to this, we would all be throwing a huge fit.

@kjayhawks oh exactly what I've been trying to say. Nobody is arguing to say that Wilt wasn't a transcendent player. He truly was. But let's just not lie about who he played against or why his stats were so inflated.

I mean one of the things that made Wilt so good was that he did workout like a modern day athlete. He also made the money to make basketball his sole focus where a hefty majority of players could not do that. They actually had to go get other jobs during the offseason.

It was such a different time, those who lived it aren't able to take the glasses off. That'll probably be me talking about LeBron in 40 years...

@justanotherfan They won't ever, EVER consider the talent gap that there was back then.

Players didn't make enough for it to actually be enticing to play basketball competitively growing up as a kid. Nor did the programs exist at the time to do so. So those special athletes stood out even more back then. And now, these old guys think they saw God himself play the game of basketball and can't let go of the fact that the game has gotten sooooo much better and the talent gap that existed back then doesn't exist today thanks to year round training, the scientific advancements we have had and the money that is now involved.

Just to put in perspective how much more enticing it is to play pro basketball, the average NBA salary in 1965 was $15k The average salary in the US at the time was $6k. 1.5 times the average salary. Wilt was the first player to make $100k. Or rather, 15.5 times the average salary in the U.S.

In 2010, the average NBA salary was $5m. The average US salary at the time was $51k. Or rather nearly 100 times higher than the average salary. LeBron makes $30m or 588 times the average salary.

This doesn't even include the European options failed players have today. If you failed back in the 60s, your career was over. And you couldn't have saved up enough money to live off of the rest of your life.

Now you have guys like Stephon Marbury playing in China until he is 40 making millions and when he retires, he will have enough money to live off of for the rest of his life.

@approxinfinity I think the Red Sox felt a duty to go end all the other baseball curses so they purposely imploded under Francona so he could go to Cleveland when they were ready and Theo obviously took the harder job in the Cubbies.

So first off, I know we aren't going to get him. Too much moolah. And to be honest, I wouldn't want him. He wouldn't be able to recruit the areas we needed him to recruit in the first place.

BUT, he is starting to put together a new staff apparently in preparation of job offers. So, what I was thinking is that there is one school that I could easily see going after him.

Mizzou.

He is the perfect fit for them. He has Southeastern and Texas recruiting connections that they desperately need to open up. He might only be there 4 or 5 more years before he would retire, but he could get them on the right path and really open doors for them they can't with the current staff.

I hope they don't. I hope they keep going with their guys and become the laughing stock of the SEC every single season.

Anyways, thoughts?

Personally, I have several thoughts.

We looked awful. But what did we expect playing our first game ever in a 4 guard rotation? All of these guys except Josh have had it pounded in their heads to play inside out. All of a sudden they are given freedom? They don't know what to do with it. It reminded me of my dog when I taker her to the park. She runs off a little ways and then freaks out because she gets too far away and can't see me so she comes running back.

Coleby looks bad. Clearly not over his injury. Buke looked better than I had anticipated. Lightfoot will be good down the road, but right now he just isn't going to cut it. We essentially have 3 bigs to rotate this year.

Our guards did turn it over a lot. But, they did shoot well. And I am confident our passing will get better. I thought after the first few turnovers in our 4 guard look Bill would scrap it for the rest of the season. But he just let them keep going. It seems like he is actually committed to it. So it will improve. Passing will get even better.

Defense was bad. But again, new style of play is going to take some getting used to. We need to realize we can just switch everything in that lineup for the most part and so we should be able to take risks and have the quickest and best help defense we can have.

@jaybate-1.0
Well once I found that out I couldn't dispute it my entire argument just went to crap.

@jaybate-1.0 INDISPUTABLE :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy: :joy:

Oh man. JB said it's indisputable so it is. He said it. Has to be. Can't not be.

@JayHawkFanToo Actually, we already added that in. Notice the lower FG percentage combined with the higher shots attempted. Also, add in the extra free throws shot. You are dismissing that players Wilt went up against are about 5-10% shorter and about 10-20% lighter players/

Not to mention, Shaq was not "surrounded by talent." He went to the Orlando Magic as the #1 overall pick. Meaning, they SUCKED. 21-61. Shaq comes in and, what do you know? They win 20 more games the very next season. And every season he was with them all the way up to 60 wins and a Confernece Finals run. He leaves, they lose 15 more games the next season... Shaq WAS the Magic.

Lakers, Shaq comes in. Wins 2 chips. Leaves and the year after he leaves they miss the playoffs... Shaw WAS the Lakers.

Goes to the Heat. Takes them from a .500 team to a Conference finals and wins a championship the next season. Shaq WAS the heat.

Shaq playoff stats: 24 ppg. .556 fg%, 16 consecutive playoffs made.

Wilt playoff stats: 22.ppg .522 fg% 10 consecutive playoffs made.

When Shaq turned it on he was as good as anyone ever. Period. To think that a player like Shaq wouldn't have touched the game in the same way Wilt did is ignoring statistical data and common sense. They just didn't make players that size back in the day. Wilt worked out more than most (everyone) in that era. He was the first guy to be so freakishly athletic for his size that he did change the game forever. But to say that nobody could have matched up with him EVER, it just isn't a realistic opinion. The smartest guy on the planet is more than likely not THAT much smarter than the next smartest guy. Especially if considered over a 30+ year period. The fastest guy isn't THAT much faster than the 2nd fastest guy. The guy with the best arm doesn't throw THAT much harder than the guy with the 2nd best arm. The best bowler in the world isn't THAT much better than the 2nd best bowler. Messi isn't THAT much better than Ronaldo. Tiger Woods isn't THAT much better than Jack Nicklaus (arguable either way), etc etc etc. In a world of BILLIONS of people, the odds of one man being THAT much better than the other billions is quite simply impossible. Hell, even than the hundreds of millions just in the U.S. over 30 years. Just not realistic.

This is my last post on this, as you or JayB have found no statistical or useful data to backup your side of this conversation. You are both just being stubborn and offering no real rebuttal other than what you have seen or heard about Wilt. @DoubleDD I'll go ahead and throw you in with them. If you guys want to bring out statistical data or any other relevant facts please do. Otherwise, this conversation has gone as far as it will go.

@jaybate-1.0 First of all, they scored more points in the 60s than they did in the 90s. By nearly 25 ppg more...

While you keep bringing up charging and traveling, you conveniently forget defenses were also allowed to be more physical and actually make contact with a shooter in the time Shaq has played. Compared to 1960 where you couldn't even sneeze on a guy shooting the ball. Free throw attempts were down 800 in a season in the same 60's to 90's time frame. PER TEAM. Shaq would have shot plenty of free throws.

His stats actually prove HIS point and not yours. It would be safe to take off 5% points of Shaq's shooting percentage as that was the biggest gap of shooting percentage in any season in the NBA. That still puts Shaq in the exact same level of scoring as Wilt.

You are also forgetting the number of lob passes Wilt was able to catch over 6'7-6'9 defenders that were easy dunks. Shaq had to actually establish position against guys with Wingspans that were at least comparable to his own.

These are the facts JB. Your own personal love for Wilt is getting in the way of seeing things for the way they truly are.

@jaybate-1.0 I am not saying Wilt wouldn't have averaged right around 30 pts for his career still.

I am just saying he wouldn't have scored MORE. Shooting over 6'9 guys is a joke for a 7'1 freak.

You can't just set aside the size of the NBA changing just like it is nothing. The physicality of defense changing is also a factor. Sure he could have gotten away with more walks charges. But players also get away with more physicality on the defensive end now than they did then. You can bump bodies and it not be called a foul now. Shaq scored the way he did in the peak of defensive physicality. Early 90s was probably one of the most physical times in basketball.

In this era of small ball though, I could see where you are saying Wilt would score a ton. Boogie has done it. Anthony Davis looks like this year will be special. Wilt probably could have done it in this NBA due to the fact that there really are no good true centers left. And with how athletic he was he could have kept up with today's pace.

Vick. He should get a lot of PT.

@jaybate-1.0 He also probably would have had a hard time passing todays drug protcols. Which probably effected his sleep. Not to mention it is pretty hard to sleep when you have someone new in your bed every night...

Lets call it forced acute sleep insomnia that would have most likely still been the case today...

As far as gimmicky uniforms go, I like them.

Glad they will be a one game and done thing though.

@jaybate-1.0 absurd statements. Athletes today are far better trained.

Basketball has also become a sport played better all over the world. So now we have giant Europeans coming over to play in the post. Something Wilt never had to deal with.

Just can't even comprehend how someone could think one man is more of a freak than 50 years of other players from all over the entire world. That he was so good generations of players couldn't even touch him. That narrative is so absurd. Shaq would have done the same thing if not more in that time period. Without hesitation do I say that. Shaq put up nearly 30ppg in the 90s and thousands. 30 years of being able to study the game and develop a defense to stop such large players.

Shaq (7'1 300 lbs) played:
- Yoa (7'6, 311 lbs),
- Olajuwon (7'0 255 lbs),
- David Robinson (7'1 249 lbs),
- Ewing (7'0 240 lbs),
- Mutombo (7'2 260 lbs),
- Elden Campbell, (6'11, 280 lbs),
- Dwight Howard 6'11 265 lbs

Wilt (7'1 276 lbs) played:
- Bill Russell (6'9, 220 lbs)
- Walt Bellamy (6'11 225 lbs)
- Jerry Lucas (6'11, 229 lbs)
- Nate Thurmond (6'11 225 lbs)
- Willis Reed 6'9 (240 lbs)
- Clyde Lovellette (6'9 234 lbs)
- Kareem (7'2, 247 lbs)
- Bob Lanier (6'10 260 lbs)

So, just to make that clear, Shaq played 5 other Hall of Fame Centers over 7 ft tall during his prime. And the two that weren't 7 ft, well they were bigger than anyone Wilt faced except for Kareem. In no possible way could Wilt have even came close to scoring the way he did in the 60s. He played against guys giving up 4-5 inches and 50 lbs. Shaq in that era would have had that same height advantage, except he had 100 plus pounds on many players. He would have literally been able to score at will the same exact way Wilt did.

@BeddieKU23 They really just need to start over and rebuild. Starting with the GM. I could only imagine the haul they could get for Boogie and Gay. 6 first round picks over the next 3 years maybe?

If they can flip BMac for a developmental guy and a 1st rounder I'd say he is gone as well.

@BeddieKU23 I'll definitely agree that their front office is by far one of the worst in the league. They currently have 4 centers on their roster. Which is laughable in a league that has essentially devalued the position.

Rudy Gay will be a nice piece for a Thunder or Clippers before the trade deadline.

@Crimsonorblue22 Boogie is the most underrated center in the league. If he had a better attitude I think he would attract another big time talent to come to Sacramento with him. He could easily be a major piece of a championship team.

I do not have a good feeling on Brown.

I am hoping that he loves KU and that his family felt good about how we treated his sister, but having Svi still hurts. Having Malik hurts. I feel like the trend lately has been to go to a bigger named coach at a lesser program and get unlimited PT and given the opportunity to just play through mistakes. But we are wing-U and Bill knows how to get those guys into the lottery.

I'll take Cal or Oregon on him though.

@JayHawkFanToo Yea I can't mirror without connecting to WiFi unfortunately

So I just downloaded Hola! on my phone.

What it does is put a new VPN number on your phone so it looks like you are in another country. I believe I will be able to stream the game from my phone on my own home wifi and Chromecast it.

More to come tomorrow.

You can download an app on your internet browser and stream it through your computer. I use Hola! and it says I'm in the UK and I can watch the game that way. I'll test it on my phone tomorrow and see if it'll work through my Chromecast

@JayHawkFanToo Oh I'm not saying that he is coming back. I'm just saying that he is not guaranteed to be gone yet. So, we won't get a commit until he does actually break out and prove he is a guaranteed 1st rd pick.

On top of that, we really are sitting well in the frontcourt for next season. Udoka and Maxwell should be a nice duo at the 5. And Coleby and Lightfoot should be able to hold down the 4 just fine. Landing Preston would be a nice bonus, but more importantly, we need to land a project big so that two years from now we have a serviceable big man in the rotation.

We all know that we need another PG if DG leaves. Personally, I don't see him getting drafted in the 1st round unless we go on a NC run. He is a 22 year old prospect. By no means has he reached a ceiling, but his age is definitely working against him. But at the same time, his stock will probably never be higher than after this season... Tough to call at this point.

Looks like he could be a T-Rob.

Also looks like he could be another Jamari.

I'm actually more impressed with him than I was with Gak. This kids has a motor and a deceptive wingspan. He apparently can't shoot because I saw one jump shot in an entire 8 minute highlight reel. Either way, Bragg is really blocking us from getting a major post signing at the moment. So a project big it is.

@Texas-Hawk-10 Well I will preface this with the fact that I also played in a spread in HS as well, and then went on to coach a spread offense for 4 years at the high school level.

First, Baylor doesn't run the air raid. They run a very high octane offense centered around the run and deep routes in play action passing plays. But, by definition, it is not the "air raid." They have ran the ball significantly more than passed it the past several seasons. It is just a normal spread offense and they happen to have tons of talent at the receiver and QB positions.

Second, Beaty has said that he does want to run the air raid, and statistically has proven that he is committed to doing so. He has thrown more than he has ran it this season. And has done it with woefully bad QB play. Imagine when we get a QB that we actually like. I could only imagine the passing increasing.

Third, the Spread is effective. Can't argue that. But only if ran at the correct pace to help you team win. Running a super up-tempo paced offense like we are trying is a recipe for disaster if you ask me. Often, we are not going to be the more talented team. So, dictating the pace of the game is a huge factor. As well as limiting the opponents possessions. The more possessions, the less each score matters. The less of a chance for an upset. When we are the more talented team, yea we need to run as many plays as possible.

Finally, what I would like to see is a commitment to a running version of the spread similar to that of Oregon, just not every 12 seconds. One with a lot of motion, misdirection and the ability to get gadget players the ball in space. This way we can dictate pace, yet still take advantage of our talent where we have it. In that type of an offense, you only need a QB that throws it accurately horizontally and can throw play action passes to wide open receivers.

An intricate running game is far more important than an intricate passing game. Problem is we have a receiver calling plays and installing the offense. We seem to not realize that we can get Quiv and Sims the ball in so many other ways than a bubble screen. We NEVER run jet sweeps. We hardly ever motion players. We have no misdirection plays, we throw more than pass so PA has less of an effect, we stay in about 1 or 2 formations most of the game giving the defense a comfort and allowing them to just play on instinct rather than think about coverage, we never put two guys in the backfield, and we never have a QB keep on a read option in which case he can throw to his outlet receiver and turn it into a "triple option".

Our current offensive system is not in the best interest of the team. It is basic and sad. In fact, so basic that it might as well be a high school offense. I PRAY we go and find someone who can run the offense in the offseason. 3 points against a defense that gave up 750 yards through the air the week before isn't good enough for a coach who is trying to run a "up tempo air raid" offense.

@jaybate-1.0 lol I wrote that anything but sober last night.... :sweat_smile:

Personally, I think a small school coach could. Like you said though, he would have to strategically hire coaches that can makeup for his probable lack of recruiting ability. I think that this is the route to go after Beaty has built up the roster. Mainly because I absolutely HATE the Air Raid offense for a school like us, because the more possessions the more likely it is that the more talented team will win. And we will very rarely be the more talented team. So, as much as I have hope that Beaty can get it done, I'm not sure he can get it done here throwing the ball 60 times a game.

The other thing to consider, is conference realignment. Is our contingency plan to go be in the Big 10 or what? If it is to go play in the Big 10 we need to really consider who our coach will be as far as our recruiting and style of play is concerned. A guy with strong southern ties and relies on winning with talent will be awful in the Big 10. Where a guy that brings in mostly local guys and runs a very disciplined team will be able to transition much better to any realignment.

@kjayhawks We really are right there. We have talent putting us in position. We also are lacking the talent to allow us to actually have a chance.

Regardless of who is QB, we have to find a way to improve. I can't say that it is Beaty's fault that our current QBs turn the ball over like it is their job. But at the same time it is his job to limit plays our QBs can turn the ball over.

The problem is, regardless of who is calling plays, we are handcuffed by our Oline and QB play. We can't call over half of the playbook because of it. Which is fine for now. But, if Starks isn't the guy next year, and this is a problem all next season as well, it might be time to move on. I want to give Beaty a whole 5 years at least. But, if in year 3 we show no sign of offensive progress it will be time to move on. There are coaches out there. I like to look at Louisville and see what they did with Petrino. And even more, what Petrino accomplished at Western Kentucky. Good coaches know how to run programs. I understand that we need to let Beaty learn, as we won't be able to hire a high profile coach, and a guy that can land P5 reruits is half that battle. BUT we also need to seee that he can translate talent and progression onto the field.

I do think Beaty is the guy. And I do think that next year he brings on an offensive coordinator that can make the best of a bad situation. We won't be a pushover next year. We will probably win 3-4 games, which I would think keeps Beaty's job. But, another 1-2 win season shouldn't. At that point plenty of time will have been spent with him. He will have had time with players that he should be able to win non con games against bad teams and win a Conference game at home against ISU, TTU or KSU. If he can't win a conference game next season, time to let him go and look for a guy that runs a good program.

The NDSU coach would be my first choice.

@Lulufulu You know, just a game where we couldn't have done any better, but just got beat because we aren't as good.

That would be refreshing.

progress would be a 0 or 1 turnover game and making OU earn all their points.

@dylans We DESPERATELY need the football program to turn around. But the catch 22 is that you have to put money into facilities in order for us to do that. It is what some financial wizards call an "investment."

I like the new lockerroom. Good start. Next, maybe a paint job in Memorial? Or a remodeling of it? A bit of an eye sore. Or, perhaps, a $20m dorm with bells and whistles like the bball team got? If in fact that was the reason we were to land players and get to a 7 or 8 win team, it would literally pay for itself.

Doing my best @kjayhawks.

We play OU. They're good. Baker Mayfield is a stud. Bob Stoops is Bob Stoops.

OU plays us. We aren't very good. Montel Cozart sucks. David Beaty is... a person?

My prediction: We take an early 3-0 lead. We make a couple of stops, then OU big boi's us and scores a lot lot lot.

Spread is 40. I'll go ahead and take the under. I feel like if Cozart continues to not take sacks and can actually take care of the ball for 4 quarters, we can't lose by 40.

My prediction: OU 42 KU 13

@drgnslayr I think that Physical Abuse crosses the line 100% of the time. Only because in any other situation, it wouldn't be ok. In what other scenario would it be ok to smack someone, toss them to the ground, or hit them in the nuts? A WWE wrestling match maybe?And the only reason coaches do it is because they know the person on the other end just has to take it. They have all the power in that scenario. The player isn't going to fight back because he has a lot to lose. They could lose their scholarship. Get kicked off of the team. Upset their family. Get kicked out of that school. etc etc etc. To me, it is a very similar psychological scenario of a child molestation. One party has a perceived psychological power over the party being abused. And instead of fighting back or getting help, they just take it. Because if they don't, bad things may happen to them or their family.

Verbal "abuse", yea it may hurt. Sometimes the truth does hurt. Especially when it is preceded and followed by expletives. But when someone can master being psychologically tough, that is when they can finally push themselves to do something special. Look at TRob. After all his family issues, he was broken. All the way broken. But he learned to push through it. He mastered his emotions. And that allowed him to become something special. That is why the best coaches are all hard on players. They do have to break them down. You do need to feel like a pile of crap sometimes. Because nothing is more motivating than wanting to prove something to yourself.

I kind of have a strange opinion on the whole thing. To me, playing sports in college is a great opportunity and also a choice. If you don't like it, you don't have to do it. If you don't like that your coach MF's you up and down the court/field then quit. Mangino being fired for "verbal abuse" was a joke. I'm sure Nick Saban has never said a curse word on the field....

With that being said, coaches assaulting players is not ok. Coaches literally have no reason to EVER put their hands on a player unless it is in celebration. Coming from a guy that coached football and baseball, I NEVER thought about doing that. Grabbing a guy by the facemask, hitting them in the helmet, cup checking them, etc. I couldn't even relate to the impulse. That is probably some type of physiological complex for coaches do that. Like they love the feeling of the power.

Building tougher players is about finding out what each individuals weak spot is and helping them make it stronger. I have made some of the high school kids I coached cry. I'm sure I made them accidentally pee themselves before. But in the whole scheme of things, players knew I was always tough but fair. And that while I was yelling at the number on their jersey when they messed up, I always cared about the person who was wearing it.

@kjayhawks you can download an app on your computer that changes your perceived location and get ESPN 3 on that. The one I have on my computer is called Hola!

@wissoxfan83 I apologize. I washed mine out this morning. Thank you for the reminder. We would hate to lose ya.

I just don't like it when people come on here and gloat about getting people riled up. Not cool.

@JayHawkFanToo I think you just need to go to a game to see.

Since the remodel in 2009 we have progressively gotten better. The girls LOVE LOVE LOVE playing there. Our recruiting lately has been off the charts. Why go mess that up? Especially because volleyball has a strange dynamic. It is probably more of a family atmosphere within the team than any other sport. Just the way it is. So I think the intimacy of Horejsi actually is beneficial.

You're showing a recruit around and you take them into this tiny gym pregame. And they probably aren't expecting much after that. If we are recruiting them, they have been to some insane facilities, they've seen the best of the best. So,they sit in their "reserved" seat that they probably don't think they even needed reserved. I mean if you only have a stadium that large, apparently nobody cares. Then about a fourt five minutes before the game, the masses start pouring in. Before she knows it, the band is playing, and there is a strange buzz. 5 minutes before the game all of the seats are full with a line of students outside waiting and praying to get squeezed in somewhere. The crowd is chanting as the girls run onto the floor. The first serve goes, we score and the crowd lets out a cheer far louder than one you would expect from 1500 people, echoing through Allen Fieldhouse. One of those cheers that gives you goosebumps all over. The rest of the game you see nothing but perfect execution from a top 5 team in the country. A very calm coach that doesn't get riled up in the moment. Every girl on the team has so much joy on their faces, like they truly love being a Jayhawk volleyball player. And you think, I want to be apart of this. This right here is something special.

@jayballer54 quit being a dick. I mean dude, you're calling everyone else sensitive "tootsies" when you're the one crying over an 18 year olds decision.

@JayHawkFanToo Yea I have to agree with @Crimsonorblue22. I was fortunate enough to have to work some of the games last year. Literally nobody shops during the sets so I got paid to watch. Atmosphere in that gym is insanely electric. It isn't about the loudness though. It is about comfort. That is where those girls practice every day. They have the lighting and depth perception ingrained in their brains.

You don't give that up for anything.

@JayHawkFanToo Yea not worth risking the home court advantage for more money.

That is like saying we should have moved the UK vs KU game to Sprint center because it could have held more people.

You don't take away your home court advantage. That comfort level is worth every penny.

@BeddieKU23 They also have room on their roster and guaranteed playing time coming available.

We have exactly 3 guys that are guarantees to leave. And to back those guys up next season? 3 potential 1st round NBA picks. Talk about recruiting problems... :smirk:

@jayballer54 This site is full of smart and realistic basketball fans. Fans that don't overreact when we don't land a recruit. History is in my favor, being the level-headed fan that I am. That whole 27 straight NCAA appearances (soon to be 28 and the longest streak ever) along with that whole 12 straight titles thing we have going on has me pretty sure that we will land plenty of recruits every year.

You aren't rocking the boat, I'm just telling you that you are looking at false information (CB) that is 100% based on speculation and treating it like gospel.

You know who else hasn't landed a Top 25 prospect so far this year?????? Duke or Kentucky.

In fact, only 5 teams HAVE. Arizona, WASHINGTON, WESTERN KENTUCKY, AUBURN, and UNC.

Recruiting is going fine.

@wissoxfan83 If Perry wants a shot in the NBA his best chance is to go show out in Europe for a bit. Go over there and show out for a couple of years and then test the water again.

Personally, I think the only way he makes the league is if he bulks up and puts on 25lbs of muscle. He is a 4. He just isnt' quick enough to make that transition to the 3. But, look at guys like Thompson and Green in the NBA right now. You don't have to be 7ft anymore to play the post. All you need to do is be able to hold your ground. If Perry can bulk up a bit and still keep his stroke, he could make a team in the league. That stretch 4 off the bench is a great weapon. Spurs have pretty much had one for the past 10 years between Matt Bonner and Boris Diaw and it's obviously done them well. Ryan Anderson and Ryan Kelly are two other names that come to mind.

There is a place in the NBA for Perry, he just has to get his body right first.

@BeddieKU23 plenty of time to see Ford struggle all season and decomit. Even if he doesn't, at least he gave us plenty of time to get in on other bigs.

@jayballer54 your overreaction in your original post is almost laughable.

We land plenty of recruits. Sure we lost out on a couple of guys. Sucks. But when you want to go somewhere that you can play for 4 years instead of sit the bench for 2 or 3, makes sense.

When someone stays home to play where their family can go to every home game easily, I have nothing but respect for that.

And, honestly, we are due for a down year at some point. Bill has kept the ball from dropping by being able to pull rabbits out of hats and find diamonds in a pile of crap.

Quit reading into the crystal ball so much. It's a bunch of guys guessing that have talked to these players like twice ever and they think they have a hunch. Crystal ball is a cool tool to see a huge change in trends.That is usually when it means something. But it means nothing in the whole scheme of things.

I expect us to get some commits after the season starts and we see where Bragg, Devonte and Svi will be next season.

If you don't like the drama of it, don't pay attention to it. Recruiting 18 year old kids is ALWAYS going to be a hard thing to do. Whether you recruit 3 or 4 year guys or not. We are looking at a Florida decommit that was ranked in the 50s. Graham and Mason both left for other schools. You just can't force kids to come to your school. We want players that WANT to play at a place where they appreciate the tradition and will continue to be great ambassadors for the program down the road. The chips will fall where they may, our coaches are working hard each and every day to get players to come here and to make players that are here better. Relax a little bit jayballer.