Selden looks like a star one minute. Then throws it away the next. Then drains a three....
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Bill tell them the game was over?
One less point and the same amt of rebounds as the starter Noel....
@Crimsonorblue22 Did you click on the link in the article? The photo in it really makes you wonder how this young man is only 15/16. Rivals Najee Harris ↗ Looks like a college aged kid to me already! KU would be lucky to get this kid but I'm not holding my breath on it.
@Crimsonorblue22 Correct, he's only a sophomore.
Najee Harris
If Cliff is ruled ineligible by the NCAA then I would rather we not take him with the team to World Games. My hope is we can fill his scholarship with one of the remaining top bigs that were are currently recruiting. Unfortunately Thon wouldn't be allowed to play for us at WGs so if he commits and we had an open roster spot I would rather it go to a more experienced former big that could help teach our current bigs if their current NBA club would allow it.
@Crimsonorblue22 that a good theory.
Belmont upset Murray St yesterday to get an automatic bid. Belmont will be a 14 or 15 seed depending on what we end up with...
@Blown I called the agents sleaze balls and like @JayhawkRock78 I was referring to the ones that seek out kids and families to take advantage of them and/or don't inform those that seek them out all legality issues.
Cliff should have hired George Lawson, Cam Newton and Johnny Manziel's attorney. If this issue isn't going to be resolved until after Cliff talks with the NCAA and his current counsel is telling him not to talk doesn't that admit guilt? I know it's the NCAA and prior rulings of similar cases doesn't matter but if Cam could prove ignorance to his dad requesting $$ for his commitment (NOT A LOAN, but payment for his commitment!!!) and not be ruled ineligible then why doesn't Cliff? Was he physically at these meetings in August which we make it hard to prove his ignorance to the issue? Wouldn't he have been at KU at the time? And what's the point of not cooperating? What does that solve? Because either way Cliff isn't going to suit up so they should just pull the bandaid off and cooperate.
And you can tell from the interview yesterday that Self feels the same way about how the family attorney is handling the case. He's asking for all parties to cooperate. Well we know the NCAA is cooperating so who does that leave? The loan company? The family?
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
Oubre relies on his long arms to much, doesn't move his feet-at all!
Dissing your bf?
But in all seriousness. I'm glad our boys played with a lot of heart today. I hope the hustle can continue when we get back to full strength. Maybe by Thursday the Cliff saga will be all ironed out too
Refs aren't going to call shiznit with less than 5 seconds left unless they picked up the ball at half court and took eleven steps. I may be exaggerating here, because they still wouldn't!!
Someone needs to check Fran's Depennds. He might have made a mess
Congrats ou. You won a game we played mostly back ups in at the buzzer. And you're celebrating like you won the national championship
Trying to understand these numbers here. Both Baylor and Oklahoma are ahead of us in the rankings of Nostradumbass but both have worse records.
We (KU) are in the top20 in AdjO and AdjD. BU and OU have one of those stats but not the other. That's not it then.
Well maybe it's the AdjT... OU is ranked higher but Baylor is ranked below most high schools in this stat! That can't be it...
Hmmm, next number is luck. Has to be Luck that hurts us. We seem to be really lucky. Or really unlucky. Is this gauging good or bad luck here? And I'd think good luck is good but maybe it's bad to have good luck?
As for the rest of his trig and calc manure... all other stats we are ahead of the both teams, is that good or bad? I guess bad.
Makes sense. Both teams are better!
@JayhawkRock78 said:
I think we are all on the same page here. Some of these agents are sleaze-balls of the worst kind. I would think the NBA & NFL commissioners could put in a death penalty clause-that any agent caught talking/giving goodies to an athlete or his family while they are playing for a school will no longer be able to represent ANY athlete with the NBA or NFL.
Punishing the agents/money men is exactly how the NCAA stops this. The big problem with that though is they (NCAA) need the NBA and NFL to back them on this and enforce the rule. Unfortunately neither seem too worried about it because it doesn't really affect them.
By banning any agent, agency, PR group, whoever, or whatever loop hole company that these sleaze balls work for from doing business with the professional leagues, it would deter a lot of this from happening. Maybe the families aren't sure what's right and wrong but you can damn well bet those that are forking over the cash know exactly what they're doing!
I guess the speculations made earlier this week were correct. Maybe Cliff can claim ignorance to his families indiscretion like Cam. What worries me is the article that talks about his HS coach noticing something was off a week prior after TCU game. Makes me nervous that Cliff knew about it at that point but didn't report it since he still played in KsU game? Hopefully something else was up during TCU game, girl problems, homework, poor play...
I watched a few of the talking heads last week going over bracketology. Joey "Toupee" Lunardi has Wisconsin in Kentucky's regional (Cleveland). One of the guys asked the question "why would the committee do that when Wisconsin isn't the 4th rated 2". The answer was it's either they get their closest regional, which the committee likes to do for 1s and 2s, or they'd travel to Syracuse (East Bracket), Houston (South Bracket), or LA (West Bracket).
Right now we are looking at these 1s
- UK (Midwest)
- Virginia (East)
- Duke (South)
- 'Nova (West)
These are the twos
- Wisconsin
- Kansas
- Gonzaga
- Arizona
Hard to say which of the two, Arizona or Gonzaga, gets the West bid. Does the non-LA team out of those two get the next most western site of Houston? And then KU to Cleveland and Wisconsin to Cuse? Or do you give KU and Wisconsin their closest sites which are Houston and Cleveland respectively?
Gonzaga really screwed it up by dropping to a 2 with their L this week!!
They'd need a mri for confirmed diagnosis. I'm optimistic that he wasn't on crutches
@brooksmd sarcasm
@truehawk93 +100
Storm the court
Carried it on the drive there
@truehawk93 one point not good enough?!? Haha
@KansasComet they can only call that once a game...
Self has an ulcer
WVU is trying to lose it. But we aren't trying to win. Mason not going after that rebound on the missed FT was huge
Guess a one legged Waybe is better than a bench player!
Anyone know if they partied all night to celebrate the share?
Is Selden on one leg better than any other option on the bench?
The easiest offense to guard is the one where everyone stands there.
Playing like this we should just put in all the walk ons and rest up the regulars for post season. Because it appears nobody out there cares to put forth any effort to outright win this thing.
@brooksmd Was she referencing the conference SOS only? Or the entire schedule? If they're talking about the whole schedule.... what effect does KU playing Southeast North Dakota State have on our conference championship streak?? The only games that mattered during this streak are those against 13 teams: Baylor, Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech, and West Virgina. Any game outside of those teams didn't change one thing about the Streak.
@Blown Baylor guy started it then? You think either gets reprimanded?
@VailHawk Yes in the opening of Sports Center
Texas-Baylor fight. You think the Big12 does anything to the instigator (Taylor) that wasn't ejected? Barnes denies seeing anything happen. Then Texas (mostly Taylor again) acts like fools and taunts Baylor after the game while they're leaving the court. Barnes needs to get control of his crew. Last week Holmes throws the blatant bow. This week a bench clearing.
Shout out from SVP
@VailHawk said:
Who's worse, ISU or KSU fans?
iSu didn't storm the court this year. But the Weathermax incident and aftermath was bad two years ago. Thats a tough one.
Motel 6 thanks you for the shout out...
@VailHawk said:
I'm back. Have they mentioned KU?
Yes, the students were holding up their index finger so I assume they were talking about KU.....
Made it to a tv. Those iSu students sure make it hard for me to want them to win....
Got called in and OU was trouncing iSu. Radio says ISu is going crazy this half. 52 points this half?!?
Turn on ESPNU right now and look at the stands. This is why Barnes isn't catching hell for Texas's poor showing. Arena is empty up top and down low it's pretty vacant in areas.
I do think KUIA is doing a good job of informing the student athletes themselves on the rights and wrongs. I imagine they do a lot and then some to cover their own bases so they can go to the NCAA when violations happen and say "we gave the kid the info, what more could we have done...".
They do have this for parents. University of Kansas Athletics - Compliance - Jayhawk Parents ↗
Also a section for us fans.
What if they started punishing the guys handing out the cash, for example: banning the money men from representing athletes in the pros, not allowing any agency that's associated with money men from representing athletes, ect... would this keep our beloved amateur sport clean?
@KUSTEVE I don't know all of the facts, just those that we've all read. That's why I had all of those questions about classes for student athletes, info for the families, the time between the draft, ect.. This might be shocking, I'm clueless. ;) Besides what Self has offered up in the past during NCAA incidents (Ben, Darnell) I'm ignorant to what the university/athletics department does to protect it's brand. I'm sure KUAI tries it's best to cover it's arse though.
Somehow, someway the NCAA and all professional leagues need to find a way to make all responsible parties (agents, AAU coaches, high school coaches, handlers, shoe co execs, players, boosters, coaches, family, friends) accountable in these types of situations. I'm not saying chop off Larry Browns hands for being a flipping human, having a heart, and buying a ticket for a kid to go to a family funeral but when the people involved are out for financial gain there has to be something they can all do to deter the bad behaviors of adults. How though??
@JayhawkRock78 Never heard all of that. Not shocked to hear that the NCAA drug their feet so a superstar(s) could play on the big stage. $$$$$$
Did the creep win any of that money back?
If they did lose money it's only because they backed out of the deal with the slime ball that was knowingly breaking rules himself.
That's a good question, how are any of these kids supposed to control their families?? I don't know if it's up to the kids or the universities to hold the families accountable but the NCAA sure thinks one or both are capable. Could KU Athletics have parents/guardians sign an affidavit declaring they will not act any manner with intent to seek financial gain until their child has declared for the draft?? Because the universities are the ones being punished for the families actions.
Did D.Rose miss out on anything? Or was it Memphis? Same goes for Reggie Bush and his parents getting a Hummer (I think that's what they got). What did his parents give up financially? Anything? We all know USC suffered.
If Cliff knowingly had someone reach out to an agent or handler I'd be done with him. It's a team sport and should be about making your team better. Not about one person's selfish actions that could wait until April.
I hope it's not contact with an agent but I fear with the timing it probably is. Be it Cliff, his family, or a family friend. I'm sure it's something similar to the Ben screw up. Which to me is rather selfish of the player or player's family/friend.
I'd really like someone to ask the responsible party this: Why??
Are they that desperate to get their hands in that NBA cookie jar that they'll risk the entire teams success for their own personal gain?? Because they can't wait until the season is over??
Is KU Athletics Inc. not getting the message across to these players on what's acceptable and not?? Does KU, and if they don't should they, have a weekly 3 hour sit down class for all first year student-athletes?? Or a weekly 1 hr class every semester for all athletes, just so they don't forget the ins and outs?
Does KU give the information to the families on what they can and can't do? Should the families all have to do a course yearly on what's expected of them for KU to run a clean program.
Are there not enough days between the NCAA Championship and NBA Draft (80 days this year) for players to find and vent the proper representation?? Does one or both need to move their day to accommodate for the players?