approxinfinity said:
Enaruna slide backward in pecking order or Silvio the better matchup for Self's gameplan?
Tristan has value because he is a shooter and can space the floor for Dotson, Agabji, and Garrett to drive and that's something that Dave and Silvio don't offer yet. The trade off though is Tristan is still a subpar defender and still figuring it out offensively.
DCHawker said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 2 pts. Outscored 7-2. Oh well...
All you asked was could they score, nothing about outscoring them. I also responded right when Garrett made that layup.
Teahan is the most popular walk on since Jordan Juenemann, lol!
DCHawker said:
Will be interesting to see whether this group can score in the last 2+ minutes...
Yes, they can.
I agree with the crowd, I want Teahan!
approxinfinity said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 it seems like Devon is a good set shooter and can become a better shooter. How much room does he have to improve his stock and what % are you thinking it needs to be.
Dotson is only 31% from 3 this year. He has the potential to be a good shooter, but there's just something that hasn't clicked for him yet. If he was a 40% or better shooter, he'd be a lottery pick.
How many does Markus Howard light up KSU for tonight?
KirkIsMyHinrich said:
If we make 3's and don't turn the ball over I don't know that anyone is better than we are.
Louisville and Ohio St. would be the only other teams in that discussion.
Ouch for Bey.
Did Tristan step on Bey's knee when he came down?
approxinfinity said:
nbadraft has devon 22nd and doke at 61. I'll take the under on both.
Sounds about right for Dotson. There's a bunch of 6-2 or 6-3 PG's in the NBA that are much better 3 point shooters than he is. His A/TO isn't elite either. He's right about where he should be.
Doke can still boost his stock quite a bit if he stays healthy to late 1st or early 2nd round status.
This team is going to win a lot of games in the 50's and 60's this year. This will be one of those years where we'll be able to count on our hands the number of times someone reaches 70 on KU.
Kcmatt7 said:
I know if there was a down vote button I’d get double digits.
But Scott Drew should be in the short list to replace Bill Self.
He’s a good coach.
No, Drew should not be on the short list to replace Self. He is a good coach, but he's underachieved on a semi-regular basis as well. I don't think Drew is good enough to coach a blue blood program and perform well enough.
He's been at Baylor as long as Self has been at KU so obviously you don't stay at a school 17 years by being bad at your job, and I'd rate him as the 3rd best coach in the B12 right behind Self and Huggins. Chris Beard may surpass him soon, but Beard needs some sustained excellence at Tech first.
@DCHawker And the B12 still only got 6 teams in the NCAA tournament last year. The only real difference between last year and most other years was Texas Tech swapped places with KU as the dominant team in the B12.
Look at what actually happened last year with the B12. One title contender, a bunch of solid teams that weren't good enough to make it past the first weekend. Texas Tech was the only team that made past the second round last year in the B12.
@DCHawker A lack of marquee non-conference wins outside of KU has been the Hallmark of the B12 for years. Last year was an atypical B12 season. The B12 has had two peaks of having multiple great teams. The early to mid 2000's when Texas, OU, and OSU all had Final Four teams and the past 2-3 years when OU and Tech also had FF caliber teams. The early B12 years were very lean for quality in the B12 as even KU had a couple of down years and the league had no threat to win a title. From the mid 2000's until the mid 2010's you had the a couple of teams that challenged for B12 title, but weren't national title contenders.
The B12 far more often than not has been the KU show with a bunch of good teams, but not good enough to beat elite teams and usually had one really bad team.
This really is shaping up to be a typical B12 year of KU winnithe league comfortably, maybe one other team getting a 4-5 seed, a bunch of 7-10 seeds that lose the first weekend and maybe a bubble team a couple other team's on lesser post season tournaments, one making a deep run in the NIT, and one team that's relaxing in March after the B12.
@DCHawker Except it's not a stretch. The B12 is still highly regarded by most computer metrics. 8 of the 10 teams are in the KenPom top 50 right now with TCU at 53. KSU is the only team that KenPom has as being true garbage at this point in the B12.
A typical B12 is KU is the overwhelmingly best team, a bunch of good teams that won't do much in March and maybe one or two really bad teams.
KU should win the B12 by 2-3 games this year with 14 or 15 league wins. Baylor probably comes in second at 12-6 or so. 3rd through 7th are probably going to be in the 10-8 to 8-10 range with TCU and KSU the only two that won't be on the bubble this year.
There's been plenty of years where the B12 lacks in marquee non-conference wins, but still got 7 in because there were no bad losses among the midpack teams. That appears like it's going to be the case again this year.
Big 12 is going to be what it normally is. Kansas runs away with the league, a bunch of mid seed level teams and probably one, maybe two bad teams (both wear purple). Big 12 will get their usual 6-7 teams in the NCAA tournament and most will be gone before the first weekend is over. Kansas and Baylor are the two that should make it to the S16 or deeper. I know we laugh at Drew a lot, but he does have multiple E8 appearances at Baylor because his style is effective in that format until they run into an elite team.
Bad night for ACC tonight. Two of their best teams getting destroyed by two of the top B10 teams, definitely a bad look for the league tonight.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 u think Baylor will beat ou next week?
Baylor is more than capable of beating OU next week. Whether it matters for them or not is another issue.
The playoffs appear to be down to 7 teams.
LSU and Ohio State appear to be locks regardless of what happens in their conference title games.
Clemson is a near lock because they probably aren't losing to Virginia. Should it happen though, Clemson would be out because the ACC is garbage outside of Clemson this year.
Georgia will be in if they can upset LSU.
Utah and Oklahoma is the real debate if they each win along with Georgia losing. That is a real close call between those two teams.
Baylor can get in if they win the B12 and Georgia and Utah both lose their title games.
Big 12's hopes of making the playoff just went way up today with Alabama and Minnesota going down today.
Wow, a Dom Williams sighting.
No 3rd down conversions since the first drive.
Baylor is going to run it up to keep whatever slim playoff hopes they have left alive.
BeddieKU23 said:
Dave could shoot 80% on 2 point jumpers and it wouldn't matter, why? That's because nobody respects his shot so those open made jumpers do nothing to how he will be guarded since he isnt a threat a few feet deeper. If he had 3 point range defenses would guard him closer
If Dave hit that shot at that rate, I'd tell Dave to shoot every time he has the ball in that position.
@BeddieKU23 After they beat the crap out of UNC yesterday. Juwan Howard has himself a good team as well.
We don't need Dave to exclusively take that top of the key jumper, but he has to be good enough from that range to make defenses guard out there to open up the high low for Doke.
I'd love to see McCormack extend his range out to three point range, it just won't happen this year.
jhawk7782 said:
@BShark
Self has proven that he is a great game coach so I rarely question his decisions or his ability to make in-game adjustments but as a player knowing you will be yanked the moment you make a mistake doesn't help.I also think Triston should get more minutes. He can play at least three positions and is frankly better than those who play ahead of him. I'm a huge Garrett fan but his inability to play without so many fouls and lack of offense is becoming a liability.
Tristan is still terrible on defense. Garrett plays a physical brand of defense and the refs called him for some ticky tack calls last night. And Garrett is also not the offensive liability that Ochai is right now. Garrett is also shooting better from 3 than Dotson is at this point.
Marcus Garrett is a player that makes everyone better around him, but he also shouldn't be KU's 3rd leading scorer either. He should be 4th or 5th on this group.
Marco said:
McCormack looked good. He needs to start. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
McCormack has started every game but the Monmouth game. He just doesn't have consistent enough range to play the high post spot in the high-low with Doke.
Hawk8086 said:
@BShark I can't figure that out. He looked so good his first year. I think with the other two big guys available Self won't let him play through mistakes. Of course Dave makes plenty of his own.....
He really wasn't that good his freshman year. He played 175 minutes total his first year. We misjudge his freshman year because of his B12 tournament, the West Virginia game specifically, the same way a lot of people misjudge Cole's freshman year because of his appearance against UNC and stopping Hansbrough.
Silvio has never been a good scorer, he only hit double figures twice his freshman year and only played 20+ minutes twice that year as well. Silvio is a very good rebounder, but that's about it at this point. Silvio is the most athletic of the bigs, but he's also the least skilled.
We also forget that Silvio spent his suspension year on the scout team so he was never running KU stuff, he was running other team's sets so he didn't develop his own game as much as if he was running KU's sets last season.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Woodrow Until he hits 33% of his threes and isn't so bad from three that he turns down open looks, that lightning rod will always be there. The reality is that he looks much better when we're 4/1 instead of 3/2. If we have an additional shooter on the floor from outside, it seems that his weakness there is less of a big deal. 3/2 it's a big deal. At least that how it looks to me. Or heck, when Dotson and Doke combine for 60 and Garrett gets to the rack.
The 4/1 or 3/2 isn't the issue with Garrett's offense specifically. It's that in KU's two big offense, neither big can play more than 10' from the basket. Garrett's biggest strength on offense is his ability to beat his man off the dribble and get to the rim. He can't do that in this version of the 3/2 because the second big can't play on the perimeter and it clogs the lane and takes away his, and Dotson's biggest offensive strengths of driving to the rim. If Self had a second big that could play on the perimeter, Garrett would be just fine in a 3/2 look. Put him with Either and T-Rob, T-Rob and the twins, or Cole and the twins and Garrett would be just fine in a 3/2 offense. It's just this version of the 3/2 that's a bad fit for him and pretty much everyone else except for McCormack.
KSU lost by 13 to Bradley tonight.
approxinfinity said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Game of the year
False, last night at Cameron was game of the year.
Prediction. Dayton loses half as many games as Duke this year.
Don't think I'd say that, but Dayton is a good team. I just enjoyed watching Duke's first non conference home loss in 20 years at the hands of school I've spent plenty of time at.
BeddieKU23 said:
Game of the year
False, last night at Cameron was game of the year.
approxinfinity said:
Where was the foul?
Ball don't lie
Woodrow said:
Dotson should have called timeout
He had Garrett available and open, just a DB as hell decision that could've cost KU the game.
Dotson, WTF was that pass?!?!
Need to sub Garrett out for a better FT shooter or have Garrett in bound the ball.
That's why Doke came out on the last possession of regulation.
BShark said:
approxinfinity said:
Long leash for Ochai tonight
Ochai has no leash
Would you play Enaruna or Braun over him for an extended stretch?
approxinfinity said:
Where is the box out?
Standing out of bounds after the failed block attempt.
BShark said:
Why did we take Doke out??!
Defense.
Big Clyde52 said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 D was not fine. You do not let them shoot a 3 at all cost.
He made a 25 footer with a hand in his face. Any better defense and Dayton is at the line for a 4 point play and the win.
How does Doke only have 3 rebounds?
Big Clyde52 said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 A board and put back would have lost it for them. You have to guard the friggin 3!!!
The defense was fine on the 3, and the intentional miss comes after making the first FT.
Woodrow said:
Hawk8086 said:
I think he should have fouled.
Not even debatable. Under 5 seconds you foul. So many things would have to happen for them to tie the game from there. Not too mention they are in the 1-1 and not double bonus.
It is debatable because Self isn't the only coach who plays defense in that situation.
BeddieKU23 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
Woodrow said:
Self has to foul there. That’s poor coaching
No it's not. Self has never fouled in that situation and there are plenty of other coaches who never foul in that situation either.
Just cause he has never done it doesnt mean it's not a poor move
Man up and play defense. Kid hit a difficult shot, it happens.
We'd all be bitching about if KU have up the offensive board and put back as well to tie it saying Self should've played defense. Self's defenses have stopped that shot far more than teams have made it over the years.
Woodrow said:
Self has to foul there. That’s poor coaching
No it's not. Self has never fouled in that situation and there are plenty of other coaches who never foul in that situation either.
BeddieKU23 said:
He should foul if it gets under 5
Never been Self's philosophy on that
nwhawkfan said:
Early foul to prevent the trey?
Never been Self's MO so doubt it.
Why is Self playing a 2-3 against this offense?