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Bucket list places I would like to see games at. I would love to see a game a Cameron because it is a unique place and a great atmosphere. I know it's suffering from some similar issues that AFH does in regards to shifting around the seating for high end donors and students that's dulled it a bit just like AFH.

Assembly Hall at Indiana is a great atmosphere when Indiana is good. Hinkle is up there as well.

The Palestra in Philly is on my list. MSG is on there as well because I'd love to see the Big East tournament there one day.

Not really too many places out west I'd love to see. Only two I can really think of are the Pit at New Mexico and Edmundson Pavilion at Washington.

HighEliteMajor said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Try tracking here. You claim the redshirt decision is moot if he leaves early. It's not.

The medical redshirt decision DOES matter IF he turns pro before his eligibility expires. Why? Because if we chooses the redshirt, then he won't get to play this season and loses his PT this season (and we lose his services for that time). That is lost playing time that he/we can't recoup when he leaves early. It's not moot at all if he ends up leaving early. Where it is moot is if we get the redshirt AND he stays for his entire eligibility. Taht way we get the full amount of his services and he gets a full amount of college PT (four seasons of PT).

But, you know, just creating a narrative.

You try tracking. There is no official deadline to apply for a medical redshirt until 2023 for Wilson because that's when it become necessary. If he plays this year and left early, the redshirt decision doesn't matter. If Jalen sits this year and eventually leaves early, the redshirt decision doesn't matter. That's why it's a moot point if Jalen leaves early.

FarmerJayhawk said:

Honestly I think the risk of Wilson going pro early is overblown. Check out guys ranked 40-55 in the 247 composite from 15-17. Most are still in school, and many of those that did declare had extenuating circumstances.

Pretty much my belief. A 50ish ranked recruit in a very weak recruiting class that would be in the 60-75 range in normal years isn't very likely to leave early for professional basketball. Wilson also doesn't have an NBA skill set even if he reached his ceiling at KU. He's about 80% Perry Ellis and 20% Svi mixture. Wilson is a better shooter than Ellis was, but he's a poor rebounder for his size, isn't very athletic, and plays below the rim.

There's very little about Jalen Wilson's game and skill set that says he'll be an NBA player at any point in his career.

HighEliteMajor said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Right, completely agree. You just agreed with my post. You said it was "moot" in your previous post. In this last post you said there were choices -- see your last paragraph.

It is my understand that he can't wait until future years to apply for the medical redshirt for this past season. He would need to do it now (or within a certain time period after the season).

You really didn't read that entire post then. I said the redshirt issue is a moot point if Jalen left KU early, but that doesn't fit the narrative you're trying to create, but what else is new with you changing the parameters of a discussion to fit whatever narrative you're trying to create on a given day.

I've also seen nothing that indicates a specific time frame for applying for a medical redshirt in the NCAA by-laws that I've seen on the matter. If you're aware of that rule, feel free to share where in the NCAA by-laws it is.

HighEliteMajor said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 It's not a "moot point." The issue is whether we play him this season. So, if we play him this season, he loses the chance to redshirt. If we don't play him, we lose potential help. So if he turns pro early (the item you suggested created the mootness), we lose his potential contribution this season if we choose to redshirt him, in that eventuality.

You make the assumption that grad transfer is not productive. That's many times not the case. Moss? Tarik Black? Many times it's just change of scenery, coach issues, could be PT -- say if we brought in a presumed OAD. But at KU, I agree, that the grad transfer thing is less of a risk and would likely indicate other issues that might make us less harmed by the loss.

Jalen Wilson played 2 minutes in the Duke game before his injury meaning he's not eligible for a traditional redshirt this season since he appeared in a regular season game. The only way Wilson gets this season of eligibility back is through a medical redshirt which he wouldn't apply for until the spring/summer of 2023 if he's still playing college basketball at that time.

My understanding of how the medical hardship waiver works is that if Wilson comes back and plays at any point this season, he would no longer be eligible for a medical redshirt for this season.

Since his injury happened prior to the midway point of the season and Wilson played fewer than 30% of KU's games, he'd currently be eligible for a medical redshirt if the situation arises.

So the question for Self is does he think that Jalen Wilson will be around in 2023-24 (I would strongly lean towards yes on that one) and does Self believe Wilson can help KU more in 2023-24 than in 2019-20. If the answer is yes, then the logical choice is to sit Wilson the rest of this season to preserve that year of eligibility.

HighEliteMajor said:

BigBad said:

HighEliteMajor said:

I'm puzzled why we are quick so quick to dismiss Wilson. Is it likely he'll be ready to play and make a big contributions this season? No.

When has coach Self EVER trusted a freshman early in conference play? You really think he will trust a freshman who hasn't played this year MID conference play? ZERO chance Self plays him over 3 minutes per game. If he doesn't red shirt he is completely wasting a year.

Hmmm. Quite a few times. Agbaji, Grimes, Garrett, Selden, Oubre, Graham, Mason, Wiggins -- but you know, kind of a few. It's happened "EVER." Agbaji stepped on the court, low ranked freshman, no PT at all, and average over 20 minutes per game last January. Just a recent history lesson.

No one has said that Self will trust him early in conference play. The guy isn't ready physcially now -- which is "early" in conference play.

No one has said to throw him in at 15 min per game. Straw man argument. The idea, I think, would be to let him get his feet wet and ramp up if he deserves the ramp up OR of if we need it.

And you realize that redshirting him is also likely a waste? All it saves us his is his 5th year. If we get his 5th year, there is high risk that he either turns pro before then OR he leaves as a grad transfer.

Jalen would be a medical redshirt so it's a bridge to cross if the situation arises. If Wilson is still playing college basketball in 2023-24 (what would be that 5th year) and is a grad transfer, that would mean that he's majorly underachieved at KU and wouldn't be looking at many minutes that season anyway at KU and therefore not a big loss to the success of that team.

If he turns pro first, then KU wouldn't need to apply for the medical redshirt so it'd be a moot point.

dylans said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 Yeah, but I don’t care how UNC and Duke screw their fans. We used to get every single KU game on basic cable before the last two crap deals were negotiated by morons.

You may have had those games, but not everyone did if you didn't have the correct cable subscription. Because you personally list out on some games with the previous deal, that means it was a bad deal?

Sorry, but I don't blame KU for accepting the deal that makes the most money because KU Athletics is a business at the end of the day with a goal of making as much money as possible.

With the current deal, that's determined by the Big 12 and ESPN on where the games are broadcast, not KU so at least put blame in the correct spot.

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

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Self on the latest Spurs speculation from Seth Greenberg: “I haven’t talked to Seth in 5-6 months and I’ve never talked to R.C. (Buford) EVER about it, and he was in my wedding and I was in his wedding, so I know him pretty well... There is no truth, ZERO truth to that rumor.”

Ok , sounds good. - the question here is and you need to be honest. - -How many other Coach's in almost any profession have you heard say almost those exact same words ? - -just sayin - don't want you to come back later if he leaves and say that your just shocked - - -you shouldn't be. - -In todays world - - never say never

Self won't be their top choice if Pop retires after this season. They've been grooming Becky Hammon to take that job for several years now and that's who likely takes over. She's earned the respect of everyone who's played there, she's been a pro before so her knowledge of the game is unquestioned, and if Pop is endorsing her, which will happen when the time comes, she'll get the job. Only way Hammon isn't the Spurs next coach is if Pop doesn't retire and some other team hires her first. Then I would look at quite a few other coaches from Pop's tree first before Self would be brought in.

The family connection of having Tyler working in the scouting department could help Self's case, but I still think he's pretty far down the Spurs list at this point.

My question on Wilson is he even eligible for a traditional redshirt this season or would KU have to apply for a medical redshirt for this season down the line since Wilson played 2 minutes against Duke?

If he's eligibile for a traditional redshirt, I would be in favor of that because there's very little about Wilson's game that makes me think he won't be a 4 year player.

If Wilson isn't eligible for a traditional redshirt and would have to go the medical route, I would hold him out until he would still be eligible to obtain a medical redshirt then stash him on the bench as depth.

Of the 3 freshmen this season, Enaruna is still the one I'm highest on long term because of his size, skill, and athleticism and the one with the best chance to leave early.

Braun is playing better than Enaruna at the moment, but he's also already closer to what his ceiling is so I don't see him developing significantly more going forward and will be a fan favorite because of his effort. He's going to replace Garrett as the glue guy that does a lot of little things to make his team better.

Wilson looks like someone who will be in college until he exhausts his eligibility whether that's after 2022-23 or 2023-24. His game reminds me a lot of Perry Ellis with a little bit of Svi mixed in. Like Ellis, Wilson is primarily a below the rim player who prefers playing face up and doesn't have much, if any back to the basket game. He was a good shooter in high school so I think he could develop into a Svi like shooter by the end of his career. I also don't see him ever developing into a good defender. His footwork is just too slow to guard wings on the perimeter and he's too much of a finesse guy to deal with physical post players that he'll have to deal with at times.

Jalen Wilson is a good complimentary piece to have, but if he's the focal point of the offense like Ellis was his senior season, it'll be the same result at the end of the year.

DanR said:

I hate seeing guys sit out at all. Silvio's involuntary year didn't seem to do him any good. I'm worried Mitch will regress with an off year.

Who would be the best redshirt success story at KU? Travis Releford? (second year redshirt)

Morningstar redshirted the title year and was a major factor for the next 3 years primarily as a starter.

This is where you blame the Big 12 for not getting their "network" on a sports package somewhere and instead going the internet route for their distribution.

So KU plays 10 games on what is essentially the Big 12 Network. Duke currently has 9 games scheduled on the ACC Network with up to 4 more potentially being on the ACC Network.

North Carolina also has 9 games scheduled for the ACC Network with up to 4 more potentially on their as well.

Kentucky also has 9 games scheduled for the SEC Network along with up to 3 more games potentially on the SEC Network.

I'm guessing that like KU, all of those schools will have 10 regular season games on their conference network. For those without cable and use a streaming service, unless they pay extra for a sports package, they wouldn't be able to watch those games either.

It's really not that different because fans of those 3 schools have to pay extra for the sports package to get either the ACC or SEC Networks. Before this season, those 10 or so games for Duke or UNC were on a regional channel that probably had similar issues to what KU fans complain about if the cable provider didn't have that channel.

That extra 5-6 dollars per month for watch 10 KU games isn't much different than paying a few extra dollars per month for the sports package for the ACC and SEC Network.

The Caesar's sportsbook currently has KU has the favorites to win the national title this year.

The Spurs are different breed of franchise from other teams. They traded the best player in the league away because he was trying to pull a power move on the Spurs. Buford and Pop don't play that game.

If there was one NBA franchise that would allow Self to build a team in his image, it would be the Spurs. Do not forget that Tyler is currently an employee of the Spurs and Self and Buford are extremely close so this makes sense on a lot of levels for Self if he was offered the position.

That said, I don't believe he'd be at the top of the Spurs wishlist if he retired after this season. Becky Hammon would probably be their top choice or possibly Tim Duncan who's an assistant coach now as well.

@jayballer73 Miles didn't just recruit Franks, Franks was originally committed to LSU before before eventually signing with Florida.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Our game against West Virginia will be on ESPN+. Kansas will most likely be ranked #3 and West Virginia in the top 15 when the next poll comes out. It's pretty poor for that not to be a nationally televised game.

In 2010 for KU's senior night game, KU played KSU and both teams were top 5 and that game was not a national game. Not unprecedented from ESPN unfortunately.

That was not a charge

approxinfinity said:

Braun is more athletic than Brady and Tyrel

He's not the shooter either of them were though.

BShark said:

Opposing fans will hate Braun by his Sr year. Dude steals possessions and just makes plays.

We finally have that annoying white guy. Haven't had that since Reed and Morningstar.

approxinfinity said:

Ok Dick, now.. you run for 30 minutes and get punched repeatedly in the kidneys then take 20 FTs. How many are you making?

He did say in a game he'd miss them all at this point.

Doke's FT's in game are completely mental at this point. Too many stories of him making a very high % in practice for it to be form. He's obviously found a form that works for him in practice, now it's just mental to carry it into a game with him.

Defense has been good, offense has been hot garbage. KU should be up 20+ right now. FT's and TO's are going to be an issue all season.

drgnslayr said:

@Texas-Hawk-10

I usually understand your posts. But on this one, if Moss doesn't put up some numbers for us this year how is he going to spread the floor for us? I think he has to earn cred before teams build a defensive strategy around him being a threat.

Moss's cred as a shooter comes from his 3 previous years in the Big 10 as 40% 3 point shooter. This is what he does better than anyone else on this year's team. If he starts trying to do things outside of his role, it will have a negative effect on him and the team.

drgnslayr said:

@Texas-Hawk-10

I remember seeing the video on Moss where he scored something like 16 points in like 2 minutes.

From that and some other clips I thought he would be a "natural scorer." Those players are a huge help because they fill stat sheets. Often they are not the best athletes but just have a knack for scoring and have the killer instinct to go get their points.

That is what I was expecting from Moss. I imagined a guy who would be a double-digit scorer.. perhaps around 14 to 16ppg or so. Not all from trey. He's going to have to do a lot more than pump the long ball. He's going to have to penetrate some... use shot fakes and draw fouls.. drive and pull up... sometimes finish at the rim. That really defines a natural scorer. They get their points however they can but usually where the defense can't stop them.

I still haven't given up hope in him becoming what I imagined. Still tend to think he just isn't clicking with the team yet and maybe having a confidence dip. I expect to see Self drawing up more plays to utilize Moss. It will be good for his confidence and should bump up his points some.

Things will shake out in January, when we start league play. Our best player this year may be Self... showing his chip from the bench.

If we are going to be a FF team this year then I expect to see us grow through every loss. I can honestly say that I haven't always seen that in years past. That's a reflection of coaches as much as players. I do think we have several players on this team that really can't stand losing. Like the Duke loss I see the Nova loss as something positive for our growth.

What you're describing has never been Moss's game though. He's never been a natural scorer. He's a volume scorer that's not a great shooter. He's only been above 40% from 3 once and never above 45% inside the arc in his career prior to this year, but he's only taken 11 shots inside the arc this season though.

KU doesn't need him to be a scorer to reach the Final Four. They have Dotson, Agbaji, and Garrett who can do that better than Moss. KU needs Moss to be the guy that spreads the defense and to be a catch and shoot guy when defenses double off of him. Moss filling that role is what will give KU its best shot at reaching Atlanta this year.

drgnslayr said:

@HighEliteMajor

I hope he doesn't become the next Q.... where it requires a feeling of being the top player to get him to stay plugged in.

So if his shot isn't dropping does he pull back on the rest of his game?

Not trying to say this is definitely the case... it's too early to tell. He seemed to make some pretty big goofs in the Nova game. Maybe he's not used to that level of defense. Maybe something else.

Too many people here had too high of expectations for what Moss would bring to the table and now everyone is seeing what myself and a couple of others were saying all along this summer about Moss. Moss is Vick without the baggage. He's a better ball handler and defender than Vick was, but he's not elite at either though.

Moss has a role and that's creating space for others. He's dangerous enough from 3 that other teams have to respect his shooting even if he's off which helps open up driving lanes for the other guards.

@mayjay I didn't say taping it prevents further injury, I said it reduced the risk of reinjury because it immobilizes the ankle which also reduces agility because it's taped so heavily.

BeddieKU23 said:

@Texas-Hawk-10

Too early to tell. I doubt he would play this weekend if they thought the injury was severe enough to cost him and his team a starter going forward. Ankle injuries are never good for guards but hopefully this one is nothing more then a minor blip

As someone who lost out on athletic scholarships due to a recurring ankle sprain my senior year in high school, this isn't an injury where giving where giving Garrett a couple of weeks off will help it. He's going to be dealing with this for the rest of the year.

He will either lose agility because of how much his ankle will be taped up to reduce the risk of reinjury, or he'll play without heavily taping his ankle and to try and keep his agility as high as possible and run the risk of tweaking it in practice or a game.

To this day, I still can't run more than about half a mile before my ankle starts to swell up on me because of how many times I sprained it in high school playing football.

There's a saying that a sprain is worse than a break because a break heals clean. Sprains never 100% heal because it damages the ligaments in whatever joint is sprained and makes that joint more susceptible to to reinjury.

BeddieKU23 said:

Garrett's injury to his ankle is not the same ankle he injured last year and he says it's no where as bad at that injury was. Hopefully in 2-3 weeks he is close to full speed

This isn't a high ankle sprain so it is a different type of injury. The problem with the type of ankle sprain he has now is that it will limit his lateral mobility which will affect his defense and his driving ability.

It's not the same injury, but it will have a very similar effect as his high ankle sprain last year. This is also the type of ankle sprain that is much easier to reaggravate because it's weak right now so this will likely be a season long issue for Garrett.

Moss has always been a streaky shooter long before he ever set foot in AFH.

The bigger issue at this point is Garrett's ankle. How much lateral mobility and quickness will Garrett lose the rest of the season because of his ankle?

@nuleafjhawk Dayton went from unranked to top 20 after losing to KU.

I'm not as optimistic about the offense coming around. This is a group that's going to struggle to hit 75 points in most B12 games and against other good offenses.

KU has only topped 75 points 5 times in 11 games. We can also probably count on one hand the number of times KU will hit 75 points the rest of the season because we're getting to a point where KU is playing teams that know the system.

This was the typical KU not focused in the road game before Christmas break game. The opponent didn't matter today. KU played flat like they typically do in this spot.

Most of KU's issues today boiled down to lack of focus. The missed lay ups and free throws were simply a lack of focus on KU's part.

The Garrett injury sucks because that will slow him down the rest of the season whenever he comes back just like last season.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

Well this is why @BShark and I were afraid.

I kept saying this was going to happen as well.

This is what KU does in the road game before Christmas. They play like shit and when it's a good opponent, they typically lose.

This is nothing new for a Bill Self team in this game on the schedule.

FarmerJayhawk said:

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Feleipe Franks on campus today

seems to be quite abit of smoke on Franks - what ya think Farmer? - - think we get him ?

It’s looking that way. He hasn’t visited anywhere else and I don’t know if he will. I don’t love using a counter on a grad transfer but my goodness do we need a QB.

Frank's originally committed to Les Miles at LSU. He is a significant upgrade over Stanley or any other QB on the roster. He was a multi-year starter at Florida and only lost his starting job to injury. This is a different level of grad transfer than what KU has had in the past.

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@jayballer73 stop guys! We need these tests! We are healthy for a change! And, save the neck for me, Clark🦃

We are healthy, but there's a long history of Bill Self KU teams struggling and/or losing the road game before Christmas break.

Woodrow said:

This might be Roy’s worse team at UNC. Even with Anthony they were probably a 4-6 seed.

Not even close. This UNC team is still very good defensively, but this is definitely his worst offensive team. Overall, this team isn't even close to being as bad as his 2009-10 team was after he won his second title.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

KU was definitely better than Nova in 16, and should have won that game. And yes KU has been historically bad recently against Villanova. How are you always wrong?

No, KU was not definitely better than Nova in '16. Also either your reading comprehension absolutely sucks or you just don't read entire posts because I never said KU didn't struggle against Nova recently. Villanova is one of KU's more common out of conference opponents under Self and in the 2000's, KU played Nova quite a bit and only had an issue with them once, in the same spot on calendar this next game against them is.

DanR said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 T-Rob used to get two fouls called on him just walking onto the court. I don't think he fouled out of a game his senior year

T-Rob didn't commit a single foul his senior year because he never played his senior year. I also wasn't comparing freshman McCormack to junior T-Rob because that's a bad comparison. I was comparing freshman McCormack to freshman T-Rob who did foul like crazy because he played out of control just like McCormack did last year.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 A few of the times I thought KU was a bit better team and lost and Villanova got some nice whistles. 2016 comes to mind. One of the early season tournaments too when we played in a high school gym and Joe DeRosa was officiating I thought we were better, I forget the year.

The point is I think this is one of the season's when we are clearly the better team but we could end up losing. Road games are tough.

I know this a game KU can lose. My point is that playing Villanova isn't the reason I'm nervous about that. It's because it's the road game before the players go home for Christmas and KU has had a lot of shit performances regardless of who the opponent was in this spot on the schedule.

And no, KU was not better than Nova in '16. I love Perry Ellis, but those were some the worst teams of the Bill Self era.

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I've been saying since McCormack made his on court debut that he was a T-Rob clone. Even last year when McCormack was playing way to fast, that was nearly identical to T-Rob's freshman year as well.

KirkIsMyHinrich said:

@Texas-Hawk-10 And the fact that we historically suck against Villanova doesn't concern you?

Nope because that's not entirely accurate over the course of Self being here. The only time I remember a Jay Wright Nova team knocking off Self KU team with a truly inferior team like this year was early in Self's tenure, 2004 or 2005 I think, and KU went into Philly undefeated and Nova whooped KU in KU's annual road game before Christmas break game. The other losses to Nova have been when Nova was either superior to KU or close in talent and ability to KU.

BShark said:

@FarmerJayhawk Yeah I watched a fair bit of that game. They are just building drama for next weekend.

Really though it worries me because it's in Philly. In Lawrence I'd say KU wins for sure.

It's not the game being in Philly specifically that worries me, it's that this is the road game before the Christmas break where Self's teams historically suck that has me nervous.

Nice to see KU wake up at the end of the half.

DanR said:

dam red screen ESPN+

Annoying, but glad it's not just my internet being weird.

BShark said:

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Also looking forward to spending Feb. 8 in beautiful Ft. Worth, Texas. I forgot how much TCU Jack's up the prices of their tickets for the KU game.

This is pretty much a league wide thing right? I know KSU does it.

Not sure, but Texas and Baylor are nowhere near what TCU charges. TCU is $75 for the KU game, upper level seating at Texas is typically $45 and Baylor is typically between $25-35 for the KU games through their box offices.

Also looking forward to spending Feb. 8 in beautiful Ft. Worth, Texas. I forgot how much TCU Jack's up the prices of their tickets for the KU game.

KU has zero energy today. This is probably going to be an ugly 10-15 point win that should be a 30+ point win today.

Grimes will be a 1st team All-AAC player by his senior year at Houston. He'll never be an NBA player because he simply isn't skilled enough, but he should be able to carve out a career overseas if he wants to.

approxinfinity said:

Wasn't Silvio an above the rim player his freshman year?

Against the scrubs where most of his minutes came from. Don't really remember him doing it against good competition.

Only thing that would keep San Antonio from hiring Hammon would be if someone else hired her first.

At this point, I gotta believe like others have said that she'll be the one to follow Pop.

The other team that often pops up as a Self destination could more in play in the next couple of years than before and that's OKC.