@Marco said in URPing in the Hollow Halls... (no... not "Hallow!"):
@KirkIsMyHinrich Is it just me, or does the NCAA tend to focus mostly on Midwestern non-Nike schools?
Oklahoma St. is a Nike school though.
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@COHawk said in ESU Game Thread:
Will he be part of the rotation?
He should be because he'll mostly be backing up Braun and Agbaji.
Emporia St. is a bad team. They were picked 9th out of 14 teams in the MIAA this year. Self also did a ton of experimenting tonight with line up combinations that we'll likely never see against a Michigan St., Alabama, Kentucky, Texas, or any other good team.
Cam Martin was a D2 player for a reason, even though he was a very good D2 player and that's his lack of athleticism. I know that there was some early talk about him and Dave playing together, but there's no way that should ever happen in a meaningful situation.
I think the back up 5 spot may end up being situational between Cam and Mitch.
The sloppy finish is what happens when 4 true freshman and a walk on are on the floor together.
@FarmerJayhawk said in ESU Game Thread:
Clemence is kinda soft. Which makes sense now
This is why I've been projecting Clemence to end up being a stretch 4 long term. His game doesn't suit playing in the low post as he's a guy who works better face up away from the basket. Having Udeh coming in will allow Clemence to be a 4 long term under Self.
@approxinfinity said in Jalen:
@drgnslayr I agree wholeheartedly. From experience, taking away the positive activity from a kid when he does something negative is IMO ass backwards and also a pretty standard response in our punitive culture.
Disagree, Jalen made a decision that could've potentially ended a life, look at the Henry Ruggs situation this morning. Taking one of the things Jalen cares about most for a brief time to give him perspective on this situation is not a bad thing and hopefully make him realize how fortunate he was that his situation ended without serious incident and that playing basketball in college is a privilege and not a right.
@mayjay said in Silence of the flock:
@wissox I hate my 4 remote controls!..LG TV, Sony receiver, cable box, and Roku. And soon our 1 year promotional cable package will go up by $85, so we will be going into streaming more extensively. Peacock, Paramount, HBO Max, and probably Fubo. I guess it's time for my 4 month ESPN+ subscription, too. Of course, Amazon Prime for more than shipping!
What a mess!
Here's the thing though, with all the different streaming services available, we're not too far away from a point where cable will be the cheaper option again compared to streaming because of how many platforms you'd have to pay for to get the same options with cable.
Netflix, Disney+ (with the bundle), HBO, Prime, Paramount, Peacock, and I'm sure I'm missing something is about $100 per month, plus a streaming option like YouTube TV, Sling, Fubo, or any other platform for live TV is starting to push $50/month even for the cheaper options, plus you have to have internet to stream so that's about $100 on it's own in a lot of urban areas.
I've looked into going back to cable because of how much it costs to stream now.
Not KU news, but TCU fired Gary Patterson today after 21 years leading TCU. This might be the best job in the Big 12 once Texas and OU leave because of the resources and location of TCU.
@FarmerJayhawk said in KU preaseason AP#3:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in KU preaseason AP#3:
@FarmerJayhawk they can play in the exhibition game, right?
I’m still confused on this rule. I think maybe at one point it was only freshmen?
Was Jalen Wilson's redshirt a medical or was it considered a regular redshirt because he played in a regular season game as a freshman and still redshirted.
@Marco said in Silence of the flock:
@Texas-Hawk-10 me too. No one is really talking about Clemence though, why? Udeh and Clemence as our bigs, I'd take that all day everyday. Point would be Yesufu(?), Dick a more athletic version of Svi and Zuby factoring in too .. That's not even mentioning the others, Pettiford etc.
But anyway, I digress, can't wait for this season to start.
I think Harris would actually handle the majority of the PG duties with Yesufu mostly playing the 2 in 2022-23. The good thing about how Self is building is that a lot of players expected to be on the roster in 2022-23 can play multiple positions. Yesufu and Pettiford can both play the 1 and 2 spots, Braun can play the 2-4 spots, MJ Rice if he makes it here can play the 2/3, Zuby and KJ can play the 3/4, Clemence can play the 4/5 spots. To me, Harris, Cuffe, Dick, and Udeh are the only players who are basically one position players.
@BShark said in KU upset alert, right now:
@Texas-Hawk-10 True. I also think Oklahoma just isn't very good based on their results. They seem like a candidate to get smoked in the playoff if they get there but I could be very wrong about that.
OU's not going to make the playoffs. I don't see them going undefeated. The playoffs are probably going to be Georgia, Cincinnati, the Big 10 champs, and I'll say either Alabama I they win the SEC or Oregon if the Ducks run the table and Georgia beats Alabama in the SEC title game. Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. probably end up cannibalizing each other at the end of the season.
@Marco said in Kansas basketball coach Bill Self eyeing expanded rotation for upcoming season:
Yep. @Texas-Hawk-10 KJ Adams playing too? No way...
Self talks about an expanded rotation almost every year and he still inevitably ends up with typically an 8 or 9 man rotation.
@Marco said in Kansas starting 5:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Kansas starting 5:
@Marco said in Kansas starting 5:
@BShark I like Adams game. What is he going to be though? Seems that somewhere I read that Coach thinks he is a big guard - if true, that would serve him well.
Lost in all of our chatter is that we already have Clemence who no one is talking about (what is the skinny on him, so far?), and Dick, Zuby and Udeh, and hopefully Rice coming in next year, with more to come.
I have seen the KJ highlights, he can ball. I don't think he will redshirt, just don't see it. In fact, I think it will be damn hard to keep him off the court. Imo, he'll get pt at the 3 and 2. He is more athletic than people give him credit for being, and has more than good handles. If he finds a consistent outside shot, look out. A 6'7 physically imposing 2 guard...
If KJ Adams plays one second at the 2 for KU, something has gone terribly wrong with KU's season. He's listed at 6-7, 225 lbs. on KU's site and everywhere has him listed at a PF.
Even if you think he's a 2, that's an even more difficult pathway to minutes than the 4 because that's probably the deepest position on the roster with R. Martin, Yesufu, Pettiford, Braun, and JCL all being capable of playing the two spot if needed. The 4 spot has Wilson, Agbaji and maybe Braun in a small ball line up, maybe Clemence, maybe Cam Martin.
Good points one and all. Self said that he could be a two, not me. My point being, at what position(s) is he going to play? And if he does play, whose minutes is he going to take? He is not going to redshirt.
KJ is a 4 and I don't see an obvious pathway to minutes for him this season barring injury. He'll likely be the 13th man in the rotation this season and that means his minutes would probably be around 50 for the season at most. It's not a knock on him or his ability, but the reality of this upcoming season is it's very possible none of the freshmen end up playing rotation level minutes this season. Another reality is that Clemence and Pettiford do have clearer pathways to minutes this season because of the roster composition. The only big man that I would say Adams could beat out is Mitch and even then I would take Mitch at this point due to his experience.
KJ isn't a threat to leave for the NBA early and doesn't have an obvious spot to contribute this season, so redshirting him makes a ton of sense and he should have a strong chance of being a rotation guy in 2022-23 assuming Wilson leaves after this season as expected.
@BShark said in Silence of the flock:
That is part of why I thought they would maybe go transfer to get a big. It will be very interesting to see who wins those starting jobs for sure.
I'd love to see Clemence and Udeh being the starters at the 4 and 5 spots respectively next season if both Wilson and McCormack are gone which seems pretty likely at this point.
@Marco said in Kansas starting 5:
@BShark I like Adams game. What is he going to be though? Seems that somewhere I read that Coach thinks he is a big guard - if true, that would serve him well.
Lost in all of our chatter is that we already have Clemence who no one is talking about (what is the skinny on him, so far?), and Dick, Zuby and Udeh, and hopefully Rice coming in next year, with more to come.
I have seen the KJ highlights, he can ball. I don't think he will redshirt, just don't see it. In fact, I think it will be damn hard to keep him off the court. Imo, he'll get pt at the 3 and 2. He is more athletic than people give him credit for being, and has more than good handles. If he finds a consistent outside shot, look out. A 6'7 physically imposing 2 guard...
If KJ Adams plays one second at the 2 for KU, something has gone terribly wrong with KU's season. He's listed at 6-7, 225 lbs. on KU's site and everywhere has him listed at a PF.
Even if you think he's a 2, that's an even more difficult pathway to minutes than the 4 because that's probably the deepest position on the roster with R. Martin, Yesufu, Pettiford, Braun, and JCL all being capable of playing the two spot if needed. The 4 spot has Wilson, Agbaji and maybe Braun in a small ball line up, maybe Clemence, maybe Cam Martin.
@drgnslayr said in Silence of the flock:
Sounds logical to me.
Question... with this transfer portal... seems obvious players may be lost easier.
Also seems easier to snag decent, experienced talent.
Isn't just turning smaller schools into talent farms?
Maybe we redshirt two. Take a hard look at where they are later in the year. If they don't look like minutes players Self advises them to transfer. Meanwhile... he brings in a new batch!
Am I seeing this wrong?
I don't think it changes Self's approach very much in regards to players already on his roster. Maybe Kyle Cuffe transfers out because it could be awhile before he sees big minutes with Harris, Yesufu, and Pettiford all capable PG's already here and none looking like early exit candidates. That combined with how little he's played recently could hinder his development and he ends up at a lower level.
Maybe Adams or Clemence, but I would say those two would be more likely after year two based on the class KU has coming next year if either Adams or Clemence fails to crack the rotation in 2022-23. 2022-23 is looking like it could be be very young team at the 4 and 5 spots.
@BShark said in KU upset alert, right now:
KU has some grit. This year is basically lost but bodes well for Leipold's future here. Year 3 feels like the target line for real progress and wins.
I agree because of of Leipold's history, but KU seemingly has a game like this every year regardless of the coach where a good team comes in for an 11am game and plays really poorly because of a pretty dead atmosphere. Texas a couple of times, TCU seemingly most games, OSU has had some duds in Lawrence.
How well can KU follow and build on games like this has always been the struggle previously.
@BShark said in Kansas starting 5:
The box score will be leaked, probably immediately after the scrimmage lol.
Worth noting they aren't anything close to real games. Often times the coaches will work on particular things, they will do scenarios etc
KJ plays hard, that goes a long way with Bill. I think he will be an emergency minutes guy this year.
Who does KJ play over though? He's not skilled enough to be a 3 and not strong enough yet to be a 4. I think with the experience level of this team, Self will end up redshirting him and Cuffe. Unless KJ turns into Draymond, at 6-7 and being listed as a PF, he doesn't have an NBA future and will be at KU 4-5 years.
@drgnslayr said in Silence of the flock:
Great read from Jesse. Also shows how Self is in a constant learning situation himself.
I suspect we will start the year with last year's guys starting, minus Marcus plus a mix of Remy and DaJuan.
What an advantage we have is we can run all returning players in proper positions and slowly give minutes out by how well the new guys perform.
Also liked how Self discusses adding more players to the regular minutes list. After further discussion it sounds like he is just talking about adding 1 more guy... to have a rotation as many as 10.
Sounds like we need to redshirt more than one. If we don't, we probably lose at least a couple guys to the portal. That isn't necessarily a bad thing. The times have changed... so players move from team-to-team more but that also gives coaches a chance to replace players easily.
A big key to future success is learning how to educate players faster into your system. This will absolutely be paramount moving on into the future.
Cuffe and Adam's are the two guys who should redshirt. Cuffed has lost out on a lot of games because of the Covid situation, not his fault, and he has several players in front of him on the depth chart currently so him redshirting seems like the safest bet. KJ Adams also has several players in front of him on the depth chart and his ranking suggests he also needs time to develop and work on his body so he would make a lot of sense to redshirt. The other 12 guys all have a reasonable path to minutes.
@Kcmatt7 said in KU preaseason AP#3:
@BShark They'll be more experienced, but I just don't look an 11 seed that went on a Cinderella run as a de facto top 5 team the next year. They were an 11 seed for a reason.
And we also saw last season how much experience matters and UCLA has a crap ton of experience that now has Final Four experience. They absolutely deserve their preseason ranking right now.
@Kcmatt7 said in KU preaseason AP#3:
UCLA had a good run but they aren't #2 in the country. They lost 10 games last season and were on a 4 game slide before the tournament.
Juzang coming back is why they're 2 right now. Him coming back was big time for them and does make them a legit title contender this season. Returning every relevant player from a Final Four team is a big deal.
@BeddieKU23 said in KU preaseason AP#3:
Out of the Top 10 Duke has to be the most overrated don't they? They only have 10 scholarship players. One of their prized freshman has an injury. No one returned that averaged 10ppg. Good grief voters.
Baylor at 8 is high considering all they lost. Good recruiting class + a good transfer to keep them competitive. If they are a Top 10 team then Drew has just built a winning culture all of a sudden.
Hard to make an early judgement on so many of these teams with the roster turnover that's occurring
Baylor at 8 is about where they should be. They still have a lot of good, experienced players back on top of a loaded recruiting class. I agree that Duke is pretty overrated. I would've had them in the 15-20 range personally. I also think Memphis is pretty overrated based on what Penny has actually accomplished with some pretty talented teams. He has to get them in the tournament this year if he wants to keep his job I'd imagine.
@jayballer67 said in TT game:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in TT game:
@jayballer67 said in TT game:
Beginning to wonder if it's not time to being Daniels in. Bean is JUST NOT getting ANYTHING done. Like they saying on the radio looks like a QB that has lost any confidence. Jalen has had a year of conference play under his belt time to see if he is improving at all. Current Qb is just not giving the team any life
Bean's body language looks fine, it's the OLine that is just terrible and needs time for the young players to develop and get stronger. 2023 is the earliest you will see any real progress on the field.
It doesn't matter who is playing the QB spot now, the OLine isn't good enough for anyone to be successful. Prime Michael Vick wouldn't generate much offense behind this OLine. I'm not convinced Daniels decision making is any better from his limited reps this season.
If the staff really thinks Daniels is the future, don't risk it by playing him behind an OLine that can get him hurt or destroy his confidence and make him gun shy.
That could be true but another HUGE problem is our Defense is just horrible we couldn't stop some 85 yr old grandmother - I'm really frustrated with this defense I thought we would be a little better then this. When your giving up 35-40-50 point a game doesn't matter who is on this offense
Rebuilding is not an overnight process. This team so completely changed coaching staffs and systems AFTER spring practice meaning this team had to learn a brand new system during fall camp. This season is basically a prolonged spring practice for this staff to install their system and part of why Leipold was given a 6 year deal instead of a standard 5 year deal. This is year zero for him and his staff from a development and implementation point of view from the Athletic Department point of view.
@Marco said in Kansas starting 5:
@BShark said in Kansas starting 5:
Basically the loose cannon aspect. He is unlikely to change, and we know Self in general isn't changing.
I do think he will be a good player. I think ultimately Harris and Remy both start.
Yes, that is what I am saying. The guy occasionally ignores other players, while trying to get his. That might fly at Arizona State, but with the depth and talent that we have? It is a no bueno.
McCormack and Wilson, Agbaji and everyone else watching him constantly dribble drive? I don't think so. I am glad that we have him, and said so. But there is a reason why NBA teams didn't want to draft him - he is too small to be a two, and needs to learn how to be a point guard.
Remy Martin's assist rate rate last year was 23% which was higher than Garrett or Harris last season and 26% in 2019-20 which was higher than Dotson's or Garrett'sthat year. His usage rate was at 29.1% the past two years which was basically identical to McCormack last season and Remy's usage rate in 2019-2] actually wasn't even the highest on his team that year.
The notion that Remy Martin is a ball hog and unwilling passer really isn't supported by his actual numbers from the past two seasons.
@Marco said in Kansas starting 5:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Kansas starting 5:
@Marco said in Kansas starting 5:
@Texas-Hawk-10 and I understand why. I am bigtime onboard Remy being signed, but we have to be careful. We have too much talent and depth to become Remy centric.
If Remy isn't the leading scorer for KU this season, KU is in big trouble. Remy Martin fills the biggest need KU had and that was someone who can generate their own offense. Nobody on KU could do that with any consistency last season and made KU incredibly easy to guard.
This offense needs to be Remy-centric because Remy's skill set is what will allow other players to play to their strengths. Dave is great in a pick and roll situation, Remy's ability to drive opens that up. Agbaji can hit a corner three or go up for lobs, again Remy's ability to drive opens that up by making defenses collapse on him. Jalen Wilson can also hit a corner 3 and clean up the offensive glass, again, compliments Remy's game. Braun and JCL are best in catch and shoot situations and Remy's driving compliments that because those guys should get plenty of open looks on kick outs. Yesufu is another guy who can go get a shot as well and can play both the 1 and 2 so he makes sense as a back up. Dajuan Harris is also capable of hitting an open 3 so don't be too surprised if that's one of his biggest attributes on offense behind his passing ability.
Remy Martin is a great college player and was brought in because his game fits perfectly with what Self loves in a PG. Remy is veryuch in the Frank Mason/Sherron Collins mold of PG's that have thrived under Self.
How much depth and talent does this team have? Alot. I do not want to see only two guys scoring all year, then after getting a high seed getting beat early in the tournament. This is the deepest team that we have had since '08 (I said depth, not talent - though this team is talented). The ball needs to be shared.
I do not want us to be another Aldrich/Collins team (early exit), which - very similar - is probably what the Doke/Dotson team would have been too. This team needs to get players involved, everyone looking to pass and then take the shot if they have it. How deep are we?
The 2008 team went a legit 10 deep because of the talent level on that team. 8 guys played in the NBA at some point off that team I believe. You just said it yourself, this team doesn't have that level of talent which also means that this team doesn't have the quality of depth to go 10 deep.
I'm also not sure where you're getting me thinking this year is a two man team from. I think the scoring balance on this team probably looks most similar to the 2016-17 team with Mason and Jackson and had 4 guys in double digits. I think Remy is going to be in the 17-18 ppg range, I think Agbaji is going to be around 15 ppg, I think McCormack is in the 13-14 ppg range, and Jalen Wilson around 10 ppg. I think most of the rest of the rotation players are in the 6-8 ppg range with Harris probably being at the bottom of the scoring list among rotation guys because that's not his game.
@jayballer67 said in TT game:
Beginning to wonder if it's not time to being Daniels in. Bean is JUST NOT getting ANYTHING done. Like they saying on the radio looks like a QB that has lost any confidence. Jalen has had a year of conference play under his belt time to see if he is improving at all. Current Qb is just not giving the team any life
Bean's body language looks fine, it's the OLine that is just terrible and needs time for the young players to develop and get stronger. 2023 is the earliest you will see any real progress on the field.
It doesn't matter who is playing the QB spot now, the OLine isn't good enough for anyone to be successful. Prime Michael Vick wouldn't generate much offense behind this OLine. I'm not convinced Daniels decision making is any better from his limited reps this season.
If the staff really thinks Daniels is the future, don't risk it by playing him behind an OLine that can get him hurt or destroy his confidence and make him gun shy.
@Marco said in Kansas starting 5:
@Texas-Hawk-10 and I understand why. I am bigtime onboard Remy being signed, but we have to be careful. We have too much talent and depth to become Remy centric.
If Remy isn't the leading scorer for KU this season, KU is in big trouble. Remy Martin fills the biggest need KU had and that was someone who can generate their own offense. Nobody on KU could do that with any consistency last season and made KU incredibly easy to guard.
This offense needs to be Remy-centric because Remy's skill set is what will allow other players to play to their strengths. Dave is great in a pick and roll situation, Remy's ability to drive opens that up. Agbaji can hit a corner three or go up for lobs, again Remy's ability to drive opens that up by making defenses collapse on him. Jalen Wilson can also hit a corner 3 and clean up the offensive glass, again, compliments Remy's game. Braun and JCL are best in catch and shoot situations and Remy's driving compliments that because those guys should get plenty of open looks on kick outs. Yesufu is another guy who can go get a shot as well and can play both the 1 and 2 so he makes sense as a back up. Dajuan Harris is also capable of hitting an open 3 so don't be too surprised if that's one of his biggest attributes on offense behind his passing ability.
Remy Martin is a great college player and was brought in because his game fits perfectly with what Self loves in a PG. Remy is veryuch in the Frank Mason/Sherron Collins mold of PG's that have thrived under Self.
@Marco said in Kansas starting 5:
@approxinfinity said in Kansas starting 5:
@Marco History is against you :)
Damn you, history! ... Don't get me wrong, I like Harris alot. But Yesufu can D up too, and he is a better than just average shooter from deep. I just think that he adds more scoring punch, while not giving up much on the defensive end. I guess what I'm asking, is Remy a PG or a small 2? We have alot of depth and talent. So whoever our point is, he is going to have to pass the ball and not just look for his own shot.
Yesufu started 7 out of 44 career games at Drake. It's doubtful he starts over Harris because he's still learning Self's system while Harris is entering year 3 in the system. That experience is also probably why Self has leaned towards Harris over Remy as the lead guard at this point.
Starting 5 should be Harris, R. Martin, Agbaji, Wilson, and McCormack with Yesufu, JCL, Braun, and C. Martin being the main bench pieces. Mitch will probably be a situational match up. Pettiford and Clemence probably see spot minutes and Adams and Cuffe probably both redshirt this season.
Remy and Coleman-Lands are probably the safest bets as far as expectations go among the transfers because they're both coming from other P5 schools and have enough of a track record that we can pretty much pencil in their expectations. Remy is a legit B12 POY and I'll even say he's got a shot at NPOY if he duplicates his ASU numbers here and KU remains top 5 for most of the season. JCL will be a solid role player that gets good minutes.
Yesufu is much more of a wild card because he is stepping up a level in competition. We know how good he can be against good teams, the question with Yesufu will be consistency.
Cam is the biggest question mark among the transfers in this class because of how big of a step up he's taking in level of competition.
@Marco said in Silence of the flock:
Alot of the silence comes from everyone being burnt out on the neverending NCAA investigation, but I'm still paying attention and posting.
I think that we, taking a look around at the college basketball landscape, stand a great chance to be bullies this year. My favorite NBA team? The Bad Boys. Defense wins.
This is not an elite defensive group. Harris and Agbaji are the only two top level defenders on this team. Yesufu is a question mark because of the step up in competition. Remy Martin and JCL are decent defenders, but don't expect either to be in the discussion for an All-Defensive team spot. McCormack is average and struggles against athletic bigs. Braun and Wilson are below average defenders at best. I doubt Cam Martin is anything special on defense because of his lack of athleticism.
This team will be improved on defense from last season based on experience, but this team won't touch the 2020, 2012, or 2008 in terms of being elite defensive teams either.
@wissox said in Silence of the flock:
And if Dave becomes the 2nd coming of Wilt we'll be really really really good.
If Dave is what he was the last 2/3 of last season, I'll take that in a heartbeat.
KU is going to be just fine this year. This team is deep and old and the kind of team more than capable of winning a championship this year. There might be a couple of bumps early while chemistry is being developed, but the skill sets of the projected rotation players compliment each other very well.
As bad as KU was last season, lack of scoring ability was their biggest issue. Self addressed that by going out and getting the best scorer in the country in Remy Martin. Remy will open up any other options for other players because of his play making ability.
@approxinfinity said in Few DUI:
I don’t think the good players drink much. Tom Brady talking about avocado tequila is a ruse.
A lot of players absolutely party very hard early on during the off-season when they're not trying to stay in game shape.
@tis4tim said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
Bill Snyder didn’t turn KSU around in one year and he didn’t build with elite recruits. Snyder only had one winning season in his first four years and didn’t make a bowl game until year 5. KSU was 1-10 in Snyder’s first season with their lone win over a then FCS level North Texas. Snyder also had the benefit of an extra non-confernce game and didn’t have to schedule a major conference opponent like P5’s do now.
As of now KU only has 3 non conference games to schedule, 1 of which has to be against a P5 team. Maybe KU gets the 4th non-confernce game back when the league goes back to 12 teams and can schedule a couple of crappy G5 teams along with the FCS team to try and get at least 3 wins a year, but that’s not a given considering Coastal was transitioning to FBS football when those games were scheduled.
Even at Buffalo, it wasn’t until year 3 that Leipold started really getting that program going. Leipold’s system works, but it’s not an overnight process and ISU is by far the best overall team KU has played this season so far. KU has more beat downs coming their way this season. This team only has a handful of guys that would be on the two deep at any other B12 program so the talent isn’t there and Leipold won’t magically make it appear.
Next season is going to be really rough as well for Kansas, but 2023 is likely to be when we start seeing results changing on the field and KU looking consistently more competitive against B12 teams.I think we're in agreement.
I'm not expecting to go bowling overnight but I'm at least hoping for "clean" games from our guys - minimizing penalties, ball protection, being in the right positions, etc. No, we don't have the talent right now at all critical positions, but an old coach of mine used to say it doesn't take any special skill to hustle.
Do those things and recruit well over the next couple of seasons and I have to believe it will eventually reflect in the win column. Even then, I think most of us would be happy with mediocrity. Going .500 on a steady basis with an 8 to 9-win season on occasion would get Leipold a statue around these parts.
The little things you're talking about don't happen overnight. Leipold and staff did not have a spring to install their system and way of doing things. Fall practice is when that installation happened and it's obvious this team and staff are still learning. Knowing formations, QB's going through progressions, receivers learning the route trees, these are things that can vary from coach to coach and it takes time to learn these things and get quality reps.
The only thing you said that shouldn't be a problem is ball security. The fumbles that have happened, particularly against ISU were careless and preventable. Most of the other stuff you mentioned comes down to a lack of experience within the new systems in place and there will be growing pains this year. Progression this year will be those types of errors happening with less frequency by November.
@tis4tim said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Welcome Coach to P-5 football:
@tis4tim it was painful!
I guess changing a culture is not always a linear process. There will be bumps, but I at least thought the days of getting waxed in the first half were over.
Reading the recaps, it appears we decided to play like the Chiefs recent games, turning the ball over multiple times. Unlike the Chiefs, we didn’t do anything on offense to mitigate it. Still, we need to be mistake-free to have any chance.
I agree with other posters who say we have to be flawless with the fundamentals and slow the number of possessions down to be successful right now. Unfortunately that plan requires a serviceable offensive line to allow for a competent run game. We just aren’t there yet.
I’m high on Leipold and staff and think they’re the right guys at the right time but I don’t at all envy the task in front of them. But if Snyder could get kids to Manhattan, surely we can get quality kids to Lawrence.
Bill Snyder didn't turn KSU around in one year and he didn't build with elite recruits. Snyder only had one winning season in his first four years and didn't make a bowl game until year 5. KSU was 1-10 in Snyder's first season with their lone win over a then FCS level North Texas. Snyder also had the benefit of an extra non-confernce game and didn't have to schedule a major conference opponent like P5's do now.
As of now KU only has 3 non conference games to schedule, 1 of which has to be against a P5 team. Maybe KU gets the 4th non-confernce game back when the league goes back to 12 teams and can schedule a couple of crappy G5 teams along with the FCS team to try and get at least 3 wins a year, but that's not a given considering Coastal was transitioning to FBS football when those games were scheduled.
Even at Buffalo, it wasn't until year 3 that Leipold started really getting that program going. Leipold's system works, but it's not an overnight process and ISU is by far the best overall team KU has played this season so far. KU has more beat downs coming their way this season. This team only has a handful of guys that would be on the two deep at any other B12 program so the talent isn't there and Leipold won't magically make it appear.
Next season is going to be really rough as well for Kansas, but 2023 is likely to be when we start seeing results changing on the field and KU looking consistently more competitive against B12 teams.
@BeddieKU23 said in URPing in the Hollow Halls... (no... not "Hallow!"):
There seems to be a lot less actual coverage of KU these days as well. No insiders giving scoop about players. There was some twitter hype about Harris being a "standout from the offseason". Unless that means he can shoot the ball and will now score I see no reason to get overly excited about that.
Self seems to like the group he's assembled but doesn't know how its all going to fit together.
Remy Martin has been hurt so that's slowed him down. Need to keep him healthy to be a Top 5 team
The Harris hype came because Bill Self said Harris would start right now over Remy at PG. I've said all off-season that Harris will play a lot next season because of his defense. He doesn't need to be an elite scorer the way Remy is. Harris just needs to play lock down on ball defense and knock down open threes like he did towards the end of last season.
KU could end up anywhere from 2-5 in the first preseason poll. Gonzaga will be #1 and then KU, UCLA, Michigan, and Texas could realistically be in any order from 2-5 and there wouldn't be many complaints.
Duke's roster is a legit top 10-15 team and Kentucky should be significantly better than last season and will probably battle Alabama for the SEC title.
The offense made some more progress today. The defense is a major work in progress. Keep saying wood.
Bad call on that punt
That pick was probably the nail in the coffin today.
Why are we not giving Locklin the ball every time?
@bskeet said in SCHEDULE OUT:
But, are we going to be good this year (regional final good)?
So many new pieces to the puzzle... I just don't know whether to be excited or temper my expectations this year.
This team only reaching the Elite 8 would be a failure. This is a team that has national championship level talent, depth, and experience.
Just about everyone who is going to be in the rotation is in at least their 3rd season of college basketball. There will be 3 seniors starting including at PG. The biggest issue KU had last season was scoring. Remy Martin fixes that problem because Remy might be the best scorer in college basketball. This won't be an elite shooting team, but they can shoot well enough and defense should be improved over last season as well.
Didn't realize Ryan Leaf was the commentator for the game today.
Also, this team will be pretty good in a couple of years once KU has more playable depth.
Also, I wish we were playing Northwestern or Arizona this year because I think KU could beat either one of them.
@drgnslayr said in SCHEDULE OUT:
I hear you and agree... I just think it is better basketball if all the bluebloods get a few games in first. Maybe I'm wrong. These kids have already played so many big games by the time they hit college.
I disagree. I love the way KU's schedule is set up this year. Michigan St. will reveal where KU still needs work and will have more impact than Self saying it in practice over and over again. The next part of the schedule is pretty soft which will give KU a chance to work on the things MSU exposes. Then the non-confernce starts picking back up and KU can see exactly how much progress they've made against quality teams mostly away from AFH.
I'm betting Adidas had something to do with Run-DMC being chosen this year since Run-DMC are even more associated with Adidas than KU is. An Adidas tracksuit and a pair of Superstars are their signature look and they have multiple songs from the 80's about Adidas. I'm pretty sure Run-DMC is a significant reason why Adidas is as big as they are today.
KU announced today that Run-DMC will be performing at Late Night this year.
I do like most of the difficult games KU has in the non conference are neutral court or road games. UNT, SFA, and Harvard are all quality low major teams that KU would likely see in a 1st round type of game.
Bean looks like the best QB KU has had in the post Reesing Era. He's generally making good decisions with ball so far.
KU's defense looks like it will give KU a chance to hang around against lesser teams and the offense looked decent against one of the better teams KU will play this season. The biggest key for KU this year is going to be minimizing turnovers lost.
KU has some winnable games on the schedule this year based on how some other teams have looked so far. I think KU will have a chance against Baylor, Duke hasn't looked impressive so far in their two games. Oklahoma St. has had a couple of close games against inferior teams.
I can see this team ending up at 3 wins this year based on how they've looked so far.
@jayballer67 I'm not sure where you're getting I'm against expansion or adding UCF from. I think you're overestimating the importance of UCF being in Orlando from a TV and recruiting point of view.
Without a B12 Network, TV market size is a minimal factor in expansion because there's nothing to distribute that makes a bigger market matter. If these schools join before the TV deal is up, there will be games on ESPN+. ESPN+ is the same price for anyone to watch UCF whether someone lives in Orlando or Seattle.
These 4 schools were chosen because they're among the best G5 schools and give the B12 the best chance of maintaining Power 5 status which is all the B12 cares about right now.
Even in the B12, UCF isn't going to start competing with the SEC and ACC powers for the 5 star kids in Florida. They're still going to be getting the second and third tier athletes in the state. We're also not going to see a huge surge in B12 schools recruiting in Florida either. WVU is probably the only school that will that sees an significant uptick in Florida recruiting. Cincy already does a bit because of sharing a league, but they mostly recruit locally since they're in a recruiting hotbed ready.