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@jayballer67 TV markets are almost completely irrelevant in B12 expansion because there's no B12 Network at this time and I doubt one is created before the conference signs their next TV deal in a few years. Even then, media market size is becoming less and less relevant by the year because of cord cutting as well.

If the B12 is smart, whenever they negotiate their next TV deal, they negotiate the creation of a B12 Network with whatever network ends up with priority in broadcasting B12 games.

These 4 schools were chosen because they are among the best G5 schools and the B12 had to do anything possible to maintain its P5 status.

The only real debate was Houston or SMU and Houston was chosen because the B12 needed to keep the city of Houston within its footprint and sphere of influence for recruiting.

This is as good as the B12 could hope for at this point. 3 of the 4 have recently played in New Years 6 games and BYU had a strong case last year. I would put this version of the B12 ahead of the P12 and equal or ahead of the ACC most years in football as far as top to bottom strength. There's nobody on Clemson's level, but the middle and bottom of the B12 would be stronger than the ACC most years.

In basketball, UCF would be a doormat and would be comparable to what TCU was when they entered the league. BYU would likely be a bottom half of the conference team initially, but much more competitive than UCF would be. Cincy and Houston would be tournament caliber teams as soon as they enter the league and good enough to be in the rotation of who challenges Kansas and Baylor each year.

I'm also curious if BYU and UCF would be all sports members or football only since both schools are about 900 miles away from its nearest B12 campus. Lubbock is about 875 miles from Provo and Cincinnati and Morgantown are both at 899 from Orlando according to Google Maps.

@stoptheflop said in South Dakota:

What grade are we giving Scott Fuchs and the offensive line? Call me impatient, but I was going to suggest his immediate firing during halftime. We seem to be the only program that can't field a decent offensive line. During one play in the second half, two defensive players were 20 yards behind our line of scrimmage chasing QB Bean.

He's the third OLine coach this group has had in a few months. This coaching staff also did not have a spring practice to install their system because they were hired after spring practice concluded, including Fuchs. The offense will be a mess and pretty basic this year because of that lack of install time.

Leipold is a good coach and will make KU better. That will not happen overnight and he didn't even make Buffalo competitive in the MAC until year 3. Leipold doesn't run the same system Dearmon did last year so it will take time for Leipold to recruit players to fit his system.

Patience is an absolute must because KU finally had a coach who knows to build and sustain winning programs.

And we're storming the field for beating South Dakota. I'll be happy when our fans don't storm the field just for winning.

It was ugly as sin, but a win is a win.

The defense looks like it has some potential to be decent this year and keep KU in some games, but I think we're going to see them wear down later in games though because of how bad the offense will be.

The OLine is going to severely limit what the offense can do. I would love to see KU push the ball down field like the announcer said, but the OLine doesn't appear capable of holding blocks long enough for those type of plays to develop.

@stoptheflop said in South Dakota:

I can't say Leipold looks like he knows what he's doing.

He absolutely knows what he's doing. You don't win 6 D3 titles without knowing how to build and maintain a program. Even his first couple of years at Buffalo were really rough. As long as the admin gives Leipold the time, he'll make Kansas competitive in years 3 and 4 when all these young players become upper classmen.

This year and next are probably going to be pretty rough though.

@BShark said in South Dakota:

@Texas-Hawk-10 did he break his arm? I only caught a bit of it.

Don't know, they didn't show a replay. I wouldn't be surprised if he broke his arm or wrist based on having the air cast.

Bean has a pretty strong arm, just needs to not stare down receivers.

That's not looking good with Burt.

OLine might actually be worse this year based on the first two drives.

KU tweaking their helmets and going with the white face mask instead of gray or chrome and I really like that look.

Marcus Garrett has signed a 2-way contract with the Heat.

@jayballer67 said in BIG, ACC, PAC12 Alliance:

Listened to the Pod Cast off the Texas Tech site last night. Actually the Podcast was a BYU Pod Cast just a guy off the Tech site had shared. - - Of Course it was about expansion into the Big 12. One of the BYU guys was/is ALL for BYU joining the Big 12. - -the other not so much. The one saying not was and actually makes some sense and touched on before. He says Don't do it - - Don't do it - - Don't do it. He says the thing is for BYU and really any other School that the Big 12 reaches out to same thing - -what if they were to say ya - - sign us up and then in three- four years when this Contract comes up Schools from the Big 12 start jumping ship That kind of leaves them up the poverbial creek without a paddle. Then the other guy all in saying BYU looking to gain P-5 status and with BYU joining and what they bring to the table pretty well ensures Big 12 maintaining P-5 status. - -HUGE fan base - have heir own Network and so on and so on.

Kind of funny is that the powers to be that wasn't wanting BYU in the last Expansion go around are now the Schools that are leaving the Big 12 - -Okla/Texas. Of course no matter what happens like they said it's not gonna come quick a the Big 12 are going to try and drag this out with Texas & Oklahoma and get as much money out of them as possible. Yet still would be good and say we want you to Join the Conference just as soon as Okla/Texas leave

Big 12 upper p's I guess have reached out - Big 12 saying Everything is on the table all options open. - the one BYU guy not wanting to join says MAYBE Football only. - -that's great - - football is the real money maker. BYU want football only - -so be it I'd jump at that.

Also just kind of weird but they had Barry Trammel from the Oklahoman talking with him and he saying that BYU & the Big 12 is a no brainer . All saying BYU in a good position this time cause actually. Comes down to - -who needs who more ? - -Does BYU need the Big 12 more then the Big 12 - needing BYU ? - the answer was The Big 12 actually needs BYU more the visa versa. Trammel says some saying you would have Scheduling conflicts with BYU because of not playing on Sunday. - -Trammel says easy enough fix - -just don't Schedule BYU on a Sunday. - - Guys help me out WE ( the Big 12 ) doesn't really play any football/Basketball on Sundays do we ? - -or for sure not very dam often. THAT shouldn't be any problem to fix. -Trammel says BYU could come in and help the Conference immediately.

I'll be glad when this is over. - -Screw Oklahoma & Texas

Revenue sports aren't the issue with playing on Sundays. Most of the Olympic sports however do compete on Sundays including women's basketball. KU had soccer and volleyball matches today and Sunday games are common during conference play as well. This was the hold up last go around with BYU.

Realistically, the biggest 4 schools the Big 12 could get at this point are BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF. I know Houston isn't being brought up this time and it's because of 5 years ago during that round of expansion when everyone learned how much of meddler Tilman Fertitta is. At this point though, the Big 12 needs to say screw it and bring in UH anyway to keep a presence in Houston because once Texas is gone, the SEC will have a fence around Houston in recruiting and every major recruit here will end up in the SEC.

If the Big 12 is seriously looking at BYU and UCF, then they would almost for certain have to add travel partners for those two schools like Boise St. and USF so non football programs can are traveling 1000+ miles for a 1 game. You'd have to add travel partners to double up so a road trip to those areas is BYU-Boise and UCF-USF. Cincinnati would already have their travel partner in West Virginia and Houston wouldn't need a travel partner.

I feel like of the Big 12 chooses expansion, they'd almost have to go to 14 teams so UCF would have a travel partner to ease travel burdens on the non football programs in the conference.

I also feel like a 14 team Big 12 with BYU, Boise St., Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and USF added would be a stronger football conference than the PAC 12 most years and I'd also say it'd be stronger overall than the ACC most years because the middle of the conference would be much stronger than the ACC middle of the pack.

@jayballer67 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

@jayballer67 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

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Pain

Wellllll , - - Nurtz. -- Yet figures like you and some others buddy Would be willing to bet the way this transfer portol is now, good chance we land a transfer Big from another School, look what we did this year with that. - -Seems like that is ONE big piece we need for Dave. - -I think Dave COULD actually still come back for another year could't he -- why am I thinking that - -seems like he could , don't think he will BUT he could.

Dave is not going nowhere

I'm talking about AFTER this season. - not sure but thought I had read he could still come back yet

Dave isn't an NBA prospect and is eligible to come back next in 2022-23. I would say at this point there's a pretty solid chance he comes back next season because KU is still going to be absolutely loaded next season as well regardless of whether MJ Rice ever sets foot on campus. A starting line up in 22-23 with Harris, Yesufu, Dick, Clemence, and McCormack is going to be one of the best in the country next season. If Rice does come, then swap Rice for Clemence because I think Rice would be the 4 over Dick in that line up as Self would go small ball.

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:

@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Recruiting:

Memphis cheats. Nuf said

Related: the national press LOVES Memphis. And I don’t see it at all. Am I missing something?

Penny being a local hero and his path to the Memphis job is a big factor in the media's infatuation with him.

@jayballer67 said in Notebook: Lance Leipold not worried about timetable for finding KU football's No. 1 QB:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Notebook: Lance Leipold not worried about timetable for finding KU football's No. 1 QB:

@jayballer67 we'll see! Today was exactly the 2nd day Leipold has coached this team so there's a lot to shake out before South Dakota.

agree BUT same line we are so use to hearing surely , surely surely they can't be that tight close

Everyone is learning a new offense from what they were running this spring so Leipold and Kotelnicki need to decide who can pick up and execute the new offense the best and two practices is not enough to make that determination.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

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Roger Marshall wants a federal investigation

As much as I'd like to see an investigation because I don't doubt ESPN has been tampering with the Big 12 behind the scenes since at least 2016 when they rejected the Big 12's consideration to expand, that's not the congress's job to investigate. Maybe the FCC or SEC (not the athletic conference SEC) would have interest, but there'd have to be some serious evidence made public ahead of time to trigger an investigation.

This doesn't particularly affect KU, but Emoni Bates is reclassifying into the 2021 recruiting class. I'd still be shocked if he ever played a college game though.

Devonte Graham was sent to New Orleans as part of a sign and trade deal with the Pelicans sending a 1st round pick to Charlotte. Graham's new deal with New Orleans is 4 years for $47 million.

Kelly Oubre is an unrestricted free agent with interest from the Heat, Knicks, Mavs, and Spurs with San Antonio believed to be Oubre's preferred destination.

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 agree on all points. The B1G West games would be fun: Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska(!), Wisconsin, etc.

Oh ya I could see that. Would be nice - - very interesting/entertaining. I'm ready/already. - Ready to just get this behind us and settle in. Hopefully this is what it comes to , the BiG accepting us into the conference.

Now here is something to mull over in your mind Farmer - -see and hear your thoughts. - It's been widely said/talked about the most common teams from the Big 12 that would land in the B1G would be KU & Iowa State. - -KU strictly on the Basketball side would be our acceptence to the League & Iowa State because of their Football - I get that , HOWEVER, got to thinking some , now I could be totally off on this but what IF it was KU & Oklahoma State ? - - I actually think Okie State in the long run just might be a better fit then Iowa State. - - Why / , good question it's just that we know Okie State has a Solid football program always competitive good at times and in the past very good. - Plus their basketball program agree not any super power but yet not really a Dog either -I would say average level. Let's face it Iowa State flat stunk these last couple of years. Just wondering if the B1G might not want to look at them even ore then Iowa State? - seems like might be more beneficial possibly for them wouldn't it - - -or not lol what ya think?

Oklahoma St. doesn't fit the academic profile of the Big 10. KU and ISU are the two B12 teams connected to the B10 right now because those are the two schools that fit the academic profile the B10 looks for in potential schools.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@jayballer67 agree on all points. The B1G West games would be fun: Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska(!), Wisconsin, etc.

Would the Big 10 keep it to two division split or would they consider doing 4 team pods?

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@ICThawk A lot can change over the next few years. I think B12 schools need to play hardball with OU and UT about that buyout.

KU absolutely needs to take a couple of steps in the right direction with the Football program. They don't need to be Top 25 good, but they need to be good enough that KC area people want to watch.

As pissed off at ESPN as Bowlsby is, I fully expect him to make every effort to hold OU and Texas until 2025 just to piss off ESPN.

This round of realignment is different, especially for the Big 10 in that cable sports package subscription numbers are going to less and less relevant moving forward because of cord cutting. The future is going to be digital streaming and KU is in great position in that regard. Jayhawk TV and KU Athletics put out a lot of quality online content and that's going to make KU much more marketable to the B10 despite the status of football.

Everyone does need to remember the only thing Garrett is guaranteed of at this point is a spot on the Heat"s Summer League roster. If he does well enough then, he'll very likely be on a two-way contract which means he'll likely be in the G-League for most of the season.

Marcus Garrett has signed a free agent deal with the Miami Heat. The last two Jayhawks who played with the Heat won NBA titles (Chalmers and Simien) so maybe Garrett continues that trend.

@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Also, Strong Hall feels VERY good they’ll land in either the B1G or ACC. If I were a betting man, I’d put a couple bucks on the ACC. But scenarios definitely exist for both depending on TV deals.

Read yesterday that the AAC (American Athletic) was interested in inviting the remaining 8 Big 12 teams. Any credence to that or is everyone just throwing out stuff to get some press?

The AAC will end up taking whatever Big 12 schools don't end up in another P5. KSU seems like the safest pick to end up in the AAC (good news for Wichita St. basketball). I also think there's a decent chance WVU ends up in the AAC considering how many times the ACC has rejected them despite WVU being a pretty natural fit in the conference athletically. Baylor may end up getting screwed as well in all this and forced into the AAC, but they're a top academic school on the Big 12 (right behind Texas) and they have good to great athletics and supposedly a top half of the league athletic budget, but since it's a private school they don't have to disclose that information.

I think Texas Tech, Oklahoma St., and TCU have solid chances of ended up still in a P5.

@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Id be lying if I said I wasn’t nervous…

Where's @stupidmichael when you need him?

Scared himself to death?

Not going to Spain anymore. Spain was put on the "Do Not Travel" list by the State Department due to a spike in Covid cases among people under 23. That sucks for Harris because Larry Brown was originally supposed to be the head coach for the team too.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Approval from Board of Regents a requirement if KU, K-State desire to negotiate moving into new conference:

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ESPN is lying through their teeth on that one. They're the ones who wouldn't allow the Big 12 to expand 5 years ago and I fully believe they've been helping to facilitate OU and Texas to the SEC.

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@ICTJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Actually, it seems that there is some "interest" in KU in the SEC. They seem to foresee that the NCAA will get phased out of the basketball tournament (whether that is realistic or not) which would make BB schools attractive. More surprisingly, there seems to be some sympathy to making Missouri more "comfortable" in the SEC by having KU there as well and again somewhat surprisingly, there is some talk of not only of the KU/MU rivalry but also a KU/UK rivalry as well. Also, the AAU connection has been commented on favorably. Again, I don't fore see a SEC invitation forthcoming but interesting that there is even some positive interest, though admittedly it is comments on "fan boards" which of course have MAYBE 0.000000000001% influence!

sure appreciate your post and no dis-respect meant at all. I'm sure your right on the fan boards, they like to babble lol. - -But just my thoughts opinion , just don't think there is ANY chance of the SEC as a landing spot if the big 12 dissolves -I think it will either be the Big 10 OR the Pac 12

The ACC would be a more likely landing spot than that PAC 12 at this point. That's also where I'm guessing the rest of the Big 12 schools will attempt to go because there's a better chance of them getting into the ACC than the PAC 12.

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

OK , Question. - So OU & Texas headed to the SEC. So how long before the Big 12 dissolves ? /falls apart. - - Do we stick around till the Contract expires ? - - Does KU pay buyout and bolt also - -OU Texas playing in SEC in 2022 ? - KU also in new Conference in 2022 ? - -all legit questions.

My thoughts , OU & Texas in the SEC playing in 2022 - - League dissolves by then also - - KU in new conference by 2022 I'm just not that sure that the Big 10 is gonna take us.

Texas and OU will like be in the conference until 2023. Right now, Texas and OU have stated their intent to play out the GoR. There's also an 18 month notice which means the earliest Texas and OU cod leave is January 2023. There would only be 2 year left between then and when the GoR expires so I would guess OU and Texas leave in July of 2023 and pay whatever they need to at that point.

@jayballer67 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

listening to regional sports talk right now. They say that 4 years is laughable , saying no way will Oklahoma & Texas stay in the Big 12 till 2025 & I agree - -no way this thing runs it's course. - -SEC willing to help pay their buy out no problems. Better Scenario more then likely Oklahoma & Texas WILL BE playing ball in the SEC in 2022 - -they don't give a crap about giving any 18 month notice here again any penality face SEC will step in and help out.

They also saying NO WAY was Bowlsby in total dark about these going on's - He knew - -no way did he not know something about this . - -Think quite possibly that KU ends up in the Big 10 not feeeling quite as well about that now as I was yesterday but hope that it turns out that way

I completely believe Bowlsby was totally in the dark given his last handling of issues. Bowlsby was probably 4th out of 5 among the P5 commissioners and that's only because of what Larry Scott did to the PAC in making them completely irrelevant and leaving them in a position where there's speculation about the Big 12 raiding them.

@justanotherfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

If Bob Bowlsby was a good commissioner, the Big 12 would be calling up Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, and Colorado along with Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, and UCF to expand as much as possible regardless of what KU, ISU, and WVU do.

With the Arizona schools in the Pacific Time zone for most of the basketball season, that would make it tough for them to move to an earlier time slot even if they were to switch conferences. They really can't start games at 5PM local time.

Utah and Colorado could work, but only if WVU leaves for the ACC. I just don't know how a college conference stretches across three time zones and makes that work.

I think there is an opportunity to expand east, but it is dependent on landing schools like Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, perhaps Marshall and others.

The Big 12 could survive, but probably not at the P5 level.

It's actually not difficult to schedule Arizona schools in midweek games. Big Monday games start at 8pm Central Time which is 6pm in Arizona. That's genuinely not an issue in basketball and when most national Big 12 games air during the week.

As for travel, if you expand, you expand to 16 and set up 4 divisions with 4 teams. Let's say for example a 16 team Big 12 (minus Texas, OU, KU, and ISU) those divisions could look like:

Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, and BYU in a western division.

Baylor, Houston, SMU, and TCU in a southern division.

Texas Tech, OSU, KSU, and Colorado in a northern division.

WVU, Cincy, UCF, USF/Memphis in an eastern division.

In football for example, you'd play your division every year (3 games) and 2 teams from the other divisions (6 games) for a 9 game schedule. For eastern and western division teams, that'd be one road trip a year out west.

In sports like basketball, with a 16 team conference, you'd play your division teams twice and everyone else once so that'd be two trips per year across multiple timezones for the east and west teams.

In some of the smaller Olympic sports, allow teams associate memberships in other leagues to reduce travel costs or just make an unbalanced schedule where an easy or west team is only traveling east or west once per season max since not ever school competes in every sport.

@nuleafjhawk said in Self Has Covid:

Does anyone have any stats on how effing tired i am of hearing covid stats? Don't be a dumb ass - get the shot. Modern medicine virtually wiped out smallpox - it can wipe out this too. If we're not stupid.

Covid will never get wiped out the way smallpox has. It will be much more like the flu in that it's something people will have to adapt to. As we're seeing now, the Covid vaccine doesn't prevent a person from contracting Covid, but it does appear like it drastically reduces the severity of the symptoms.

Going forward, the biggest things will be developing vaccines for specific strains of Covid like we have for the flu and learning how long these vaccines are effective for. Will it be yearly like the flu, will they be good for multiple years? These are the questions that need to be answered, but I just don't see Covid disappearing.

If Bob Bowlsby was a good commissioner, the Big 12 would be calling up Arizona, Arizona St., Utah, and Colorado along with Houston, SMU, Cincinnati, and UCF to expand as much as possible regardless of what KU, ISU, and WVU do.

The benefits for the PAC schools would be better exposure instead of the "PAC 12 After Dark" time slots which would be help recruiting and marketing. Without OU and Texas, the Big 12 would have to add Houston and SMU to keep asuch of a presence in those two cities as possible. Cincy is a program that would likely step up the way TCU did after joining and would give WVU a regional team. UCF is a strong program, and having a school on an island isn't something that's an issue for the Big 12 considering WVU's situation. Memphis would probably be a a back up plan for UCF if geography is a factor.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

I didn't say either of them were religious schools in the same way BYU is. TCU is a private Christian University. Baylor is a private Baptist University. Maybe that won't be an issue for the P12, but I'm not sure. You seem pretty sure.

Are seriously trying to explain the culture of two Texas schools to someone who grew up in Texas and basically lived here my entire life?

Again, TCU is a Christian school in name only. I have spent plenty of time on both campuses as well as several other Christian universities in the region. TCU has very few of thallmarks of a Christian university. There is no other Christian school I have ever been to that is a wet campus. There is no other Christian school I have been to that has coed dorms. TCU being a "Christian" school will not be a stumbling block for the P12 looking at them.

Baylor has a lot more of the hallmarks such as being dry and not having coed dorms. They also have an on campus seminary, but that's part of why they're officially the largest Southern Baptist school in the world. Baylor however is nowhere near as strict on a lot of other policies that you'll find at other Christian schools such as chapel and a code of conduct.

The reason I bring up BYU is because they have made multiple attempts to join the PAC only to be rejected because of their religious affiliation. TCU would not have those issues, but Baylor likely would.

The biggest issue however and why the PAC 12 won't add any Big 12 school is California bill AB1887 which prohibits state funded California schools from traveling to play in states with LGBT discrimination laws in place. All current states within the Big 12 footprint are on that list and why KU can't play UCLA, Cal, or any other public school in California.

Even if the 12 schools voted 12-0 to admit these schools, California law will pretty much keep the PAC 12 from expansion.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

I think KU and KState will find a way to play one another annually if they aren't in the same conference after the dust settles. Similar to how Iowa St and Iowa are currently.

It will be interesting to see whether the P12 takes TCU or Baylor since they are religious universities. If the B12 conference dissolves, the best-case scenario for KState might be getting into the P12.

TCU and Baylor are not religious schools in the same way BYU is. Neither school has the same level of code of conduct BYU has. TCU isn't even dry campus, it has coed dorms, and is typically ranked as one of the better party schools in the country. TCU is basically a religious school in name only. Baylor is a lot more strict in that regard as it is a dry school and doesn't have coed dorms, but it still doesn't approach BYU.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.

The source of this story is A&M's beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.

Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.

That's total bullshit. You're not from the region and do not understand the disdain Arkansas still has for the University of Texas. For the people that have power and influence at Arkansas and will determine how Arkansas votes, UT is still their most hated rival and they want nothing to do with Texas in their conference. If you think people in Austin are going to sit back and let Alabama keep running the league, you severely underestimate the power brokers in Austin.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.

The source of this story is A&M's beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.

In order for Texas and Oklahoma to join the SEC, current SEC member schools would need a 75% majority approval to add OU and Texas which means 11 of the 14 would have to vote yes. Would OU and Texas be able to get the votes?

The original leak came from the A&M beat writer here in Houston and we've already heard A&M say they will never vote for Texas to join. I can't imagine Missouri voting either considering why they left the B12. Arkansas would also very likely be a no vote considering UT is the reason they left the SWC for the SEC 30 years ago. So that's 3 very likely no votes which means everyone else would need to vote yes.

Here's where that would get interesting, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, and Kentucky allegedly have a gentleman's agreement to vote no to keep Clemson, FSU, GT, and Louisville out of the SEC forever because those schools like being the only SEC schools in their respective states. Would those 4 schools stand with A&M and vote no as well since A&M's reasoning for voting no would be the same reason those other 4 schools have refused to admit their in state rivals.

One other option that hasn't been tossed around much if OU and Texas left would be to go out an poach other schools. With the shape of the PAC 12 right now, poaching Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools could be feasible while also looking at schools like Houston and Cincinnati as well.

A 14 team conference with that membership would be better than the PAC in football for sure and competitive with the ACC top to bottom. In basketball, that'd be a monster of conference as well as Arizona and Cincinnati are consistent tournament teams and Houston in a major conference with what Sampson is doing now would have some staying power as well to be a consistent top 25 program.

In that 14 team model, it'd be easy enough to set split the conference so the Arizona schools and WVU and Cincy don't travel those directions very frequently. Even in basketball, it'd be an unbalanced schedule so it'd be possible to not schedule those four schools against each other too often with a road trip every other year.

One thing that could play into KU's favor is JTV. With streaming the future and the decline of cable, size of media markets is going to much less relevant than 10 years ago, but still a factor for probably one more round of TV deals. KU has long had one of the best tier 3 deals in the country and we're even able to handle their own production when KU football played on LHN.

KU's digital presence is something that should make themselves very attractive to the Big 10 if that's the desired route.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Little nugget I heard today. B1G has interest in KU and... UVA

Makes sense considering UNC and GT were also rumored to have interest last go around.

@DanR said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

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To add to the Big Dave factor. We know Big Dave works hard and is is going to be better, more comfortable, and a more efficient (if not a spectacular physical) presence than last year. I think a big part of Self's offense will be with a big smart Dave and a totally unleashed Ochai... if those two can figure out how to work together, we're good. Really good.

Ochai will not be the focus of the offense. He'll either be the second or more likely the third option this year. Remy Martin is going to be option one because he is Frank Mason levels of aggressive driving to the basket and having a much better supporting cast here than in Tempe should also boost his 3 point % because he doesn't have to be a volume shooter like he was there. Dave may very well be the #2 scorer on this team as a lot of the offense will involve him and Remy. Ochai should still be a double digit scorer, but his role will likely change more into a 3 point shooter/lob receiver so hopefully Ochai is working on the corner 3 this off season.

@approxinfinity said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@Texas-Hawk-10 whats the better alternative to going to the Big 10? Or are you saying there are no good options?

It really depends on what the priority is where the best fit for KU is. Academics, the Big 10 would be a significant upgrade for KU. With Athletics, it again would depend on the goals of the athletic department. If the goal is to build up football, then trying to keep the Big 12 together would be the best case scenario. If that proves to not be a viable option, the AAC is probably the best option for football. As far as basketball goes, it'd be push between the Big 10 and Big 12. KU doesn't recruit regionally in basketball so it doesn't really matter too much if KU is in the Big 10 or Big 12, they'll still be a consistent top 5 program.

The only other viable option if the Big 12 dissolved would be the PAC 12 which is a much less attractive option than it was 10 years ago. If the Big 12 is not an option, the Big 10 would be the next best overall option, but would also mean we'll likely never see football be competitive.

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk

Thanks, Farmer. That’s very helpful. I guess I’m old school (maybe just old) and hate to see traditional rivalries die and small, regional conferences turn in to nationwide behemoths. The only constant may be change but I don’t have to like it. Now get off my lawn!

Thanks! Happy to help. Man, I’m with you. If we could piece the old Big 8 together I’d be a happy guy

The old Big 8 would be a shit conference though because that would have a worse TV deal than the AAC because the total population of those 6 states combined is only around 22 million which is smaller than Texas. OU would be the only football program with any drawing power, but that probably wouldn't last with the huge reduction in revenue.

Trying to revive the old Big 8 is a terrible idea in this time period. I also think KU going to the Big 10 from an athletic standpoint is a terrible idea as well because it would even further cripple football because it takes away the most important recruiting area for KU in Texas. Nebraska wasn't what they were, but they've never really even been competitive in the Big 10 since they joined because of how much they struggle to get recruits now.

@Kcmatt7 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Yea my fear is we end up just replacing OU and Texas with like Houston and Memphis.

Have to hope we can navigate all of this and come out ahead.

The Big 12 will not survive without OU and Texas, at least as a power conference. The schools that get left behind after the shuffle probably end up in the American.

@Marco Maurice Clarett tried suing the NFL to enter early and a judge ruled against him. The NFL is a totally different animal than the NBA and an 18 year old kid will never be physically ready for the NFL which is why the NFL has the 3 year rule and it's been upheld in court previously.

@tis4tim said in Always like these / memory lane FYI:

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Great list. If I recall, the Wiggins game was a loss despite his performance. Were the other games all wins?

Also would like to know which were home games, away games or neutral court games. I think Wiggins and EJs (#1 & #2) were away, correct?

The Devonte Graham game at 5 was a neutral court game.