@jayballer67 said in Always like these / memory lane FYI:

Always love seeing these and passing along to others who enjoy KU past History memories love it. This is the top 10 guys who scored the most in a single game over the last 10 seasons. This runs from 2011/12 through 2020/21 : Don't ask me why Perry's name came out like it did lol. - tried fixing still came out the same - - Ooops

1 - - - -Andrew Wiggins - - - 41 points - - -03-08-14 - - - West Virginia

2 - - - - Elijah Johnson - - - - 39 points- - -02-25-13- - - - Iowa State

3 - - - - Ben Mclemore - - - - 36 points- - -03-02-13 - - - -West Virginia

4 - - - -Devonte Graham - - - 35 points- - - 11-28-17- - - - -Toledo

5- - - - Devonte Graham- - - -35 points- - - 12-2-17- - - - - -Syracuse

6- - - - LaGerald Vick- - - - - -33 points- - - 11-16-18- - - - -Louisville

7- - - - Ben Mclemore- - -- - -33 points- - -01-09-13- - - -Iowa State

8- - - -Wayne Seldon- - - - - -33 points- - - -01-30-16- - - - Kentucky

9- - - - -Perry Ellis- - -- - - - - -32 points- - - -02-15-14- - - -TCU

10- - - -Frank Mason- - - - - 32 points- - - --02-04-17- - -Iowa State

Big time ballers, Big time games. - -Devonte & Ben leading the way with two games each. Surprised with LaGerald - didn't remember that one. - Some really good players have past through and been really lucky to see them do their thing. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

The Lagerald Vick game was Louisiana, not Louisville.

The bracket for the ESPN Events Invitational were released a few days ago and KU opens with North Texas. The second game will be against either Dayton or Miami. The other side of the bracket is Alabama vs. Iona and Belmont vs. Drake so Yesufu is unlikely to go against his former team in this tournament which is set up to try and get a KU-Alabama championship game.

@AsadZ said in Zuby Ejiofor:

TX is loaded, to me they are the favorites to win Big 12 next year.

With Carr in the fold, UT is definitely a top 5 team and a legit threat to win the Big 12. These two match ups with Texas have now become must see TV this season because both teams will be on the short list of national title contenders along with Gonzaga, UCLA, Michigan, and Villanova.

@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

Beard + new money being dumped into UT hoops will be interesting.

The KU-Texas rivalry is going to return to where it was about 15 years ago when both programs were consistently the two best teams in the B12 and KU couldn't win in Austin. Even the title team lost in Austin that year as one of their 3 losses.

@justanotherfan said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

KU will be very solid, but likely not great. I look at the roster and see tons of good (even very good) players, but no superstars.

That probably means 20 something wins, finishing top three in the conference (lots of rebuilding going on in the Big 12) with a real shot at winning the conference, a top 4 NCAA tournament seed and a trip to the Sweet Sixteen. I don't see Final Four on this team right now, but the season I just described would have 95% of fan bases absolutely salivating for the start of the season (seriously, if you are a fan of Cal, or Mississippi State, or Purdue, or Boston College, or Iowa State, and you knew right now that the next basketball season held that as the likely outcome, those fanbases would be beyond excited for November to get here). We are spoiled as KU fans, because that's a great season most places, but just a kind of okay season in Lawrence.

Still, that's what I am anticipating. If things break right, I could see KU winning the Big 12 going away, getting a top 2 seed and being in the hunt for a Final Four, but that will require some guys to step forward on both ends of the floor.

KU may not have any future NBA superstars this year, but Remy Martin is absolutely a college superstar. You don't become a multiple time first team all conference in a P5 league without being a great college player. Martin is what elevates KU from Big 12 contender to national title contender. As long as Dave can be the same Dave from the last 2/3 of last season, there won't be many, if any, better 1-2 punches in the country.

@jayballer67 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

Well see that my thoughts of Kofi are still in play. Eliminated UK - -thinking he is going to return to Illinois. - think that's where he goes - -Back to Illinois.

Guess according to the Kentucky Boards a report of KSR that that Kofi is going back to Illinois - - kinda figured as much

I think he ends up at FSU. FSU has come on strong late and have a strong recent track record of getting big men into the 1st round which is what Cockburn is looking for.

@FarmerJayhawk said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@drgnslayr said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

There may be plenty of people wanting back in, but unless they still have eligibility and value to a program, they’re going to be out of luck. And no, courts will not side with athletes on that issue.

For sure. I think they will start putting pressure on the NCAA to change eligibility. Question then... is that fair to high school players coming in? This could be argued that it will help more players earn degrees.

The NCAA isn't changing anything in that regard because the people you're talking about have zero leverage to make the NCAA change anything because a court can't force a school to take back a kid in that situation because athletic scholarships are only good for one year and a school can say we're choosing not to renew so and so's scholarship. If anything happens, maybe records get restored for players who had previous NIL violations, but that's it.

The Big 12 and other P5 leagues adopted multi year guaranteed scholarships years ago. https://big12sports.com/news/2014/12/1/209788901.aspx ↗

Not across the board and the situation @drgnslayr is far more likely to be relevant at lower level schools that only do 1 year scholarships.

@drgnslayr said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

There may be plenty of people wanting back in, but unless they still have eligibility and value to a program, they’re going to be out of luck. And no, courts will not side with athletes on that issue.

For sure. I think they will start putting pressure on the NCAA to change eligibility. Question then... is that fair to high school players coming in? This could be argued that it will help more players earn degrees.

The NCAA isn't changing anything in that regard because the people you're talking about have zero leverage to make the NCAA change anything because a court can't force a school to take back a kid in that situation because athletic scholarships are only good for one year and a school can say we're choosing not to renew so and so's scholarship. If anything happens, maybe records get restored for players who had previous NIL violations, but that's it.

Cockburn has apparently eliminated Kentucky and he'll either be back at Illinois or Florida St.

@drgnslayr said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@BigBad

Just the beginning. Mark my word... there will be a million past athletes wanting back into D1 soon. I expect this to litigate or the NCAA bends quickly to this.

There may be plenty of people wanting back in, but unless they still have eligibility and value to a program, they're going to be out of luck. And no, courts will not side with athletes on that issue.

@Marco said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

Gee, wonder if Texas has become a huge honey hole for us? Texas and now Sunrise. Hopefully with the addition of Yesufu we might be able to start snagging some Chicago players as well, ditto by adding Cuffe some in NYC. N. Carolina players have also been showing us some love - Graham, Dotson, Pettiford.

What do you mean start snagging Chicago players? Self has been mining Chicago very successfully for 2 decades now.

@Marco said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

You know, after giving it more thought, I'm good with NIL. When it is a multi-billion dollar enterprise yet those that are delivering the product are paid nothing, and if when they are paid something and their school gets caught that school is and or might be put on probation, how is that even close to being cool? In point of fact, it sounds downright un-American.

US history would like to have a word with you on that.

@BigBad said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

I think Remy Martin ends up winning Big 12 POY and leads the team in scoring and assists. Dave and Ochai will also earn All-12 honors and Wilson and JCL will be honorable mentions this year.

I'm really really curious to see Self handle a volume(borderline ballhog) shooter like Martin. The dude averaged nearly 15 shots a game the last two seasons. Devonte and Frank never got that high. Self generally clashes with chuck first guys and it's not like there are a couple of years of trust built up.

Remy was only a volume shooter because of the lack of a quality supporting cast in Tempe. Remy had a near identical usage rate as McCormack last season and Martin had a higher assist rate than Marcus Garrett or even Devon Dotson the season before. Martin also had 24 more FT attempts than Jalen Wilson did last season despite playing in 6 fewer games. Martin shot over 6 FT's per game last year so we know he's an aggressive driver who looks for contact.

Remy Martin's style of play compares very favorably to Frank Mason. The two main differences in their games is Mason was a much better 3 point shooter than Martin is and Mason was the superior defender. Outside shooting is the biggest hole in Martin's game as he's only 33.6% for his career, but I would expect that % to go up a little bit closer to his freshman peak of 37% with a better supporting cast leading to more open looks and a reduced volume of attempts.

Remy Martin absolutely fits the profile of Bill Self's ideal PG and is very much in the Sherron Collins, Tyshawn, Taylor, Frank Mason style of play.

@approxinfinity said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

@Crimsonorblue22 yeah, i wonder if vick would Have had the same issues without Jackson, and its hard to argue Jackson wasnt worth it.

Yes, Vick had the same attitude issues before Josh Jackson ever set foot on campus. That's why Self basically forced Vick out after his junior season and Vick had to move mountains to come back as a senior.

Josh Jackson was more in the Morris Twins camp of being immature much more than being a cancer. Josh Jackson objectively made that team better.

JR Giddens is probably the only other person who came close to being the cancer that Vick was. The other name I would add is CJ Henry, but he had little impact on the team play since he wasn't a rotation guy. All the other names I've seen weren't guys that were cancerous enough to the team to be kicked off mid season like Giddens and Vick were.

@rockchalkwyo said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

@Texas-Hawk-10 so, what actually happened to Vick? Why was he kicked off the team?

Officially it was family issues, but Vick was major locker room cancer and his attitude was rubbing off on the rest of the team so Self sent him packing and KU played better down the stretch after Vick was gone.

@Marco said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

@Texas-Hawk-10 good points one and all, but how many transfers? Also, were we not rated number one to start the season while at the end damn near having our top 25 streak snapped?

Dedric Lawson was the only transfer that played big minutes the entire year. Charlie Moore was the last man in the rotation and KJ Lawson didn't become a rotation guy until after Vick was kicked off the team. The transfers didn't play nearly the role that Doke's season ending injury did when KU went 5-5 the next 10 games which is also when Vick's issues started affecting the team. Moore got a boost in playing time after Doke got hurt and Self went to the 4 out look and KJ didn't get a boost in minutes until after Vick was kicked off the team.

And no, KU was never close to dropping out of the top 25 as their lowest ranking in the polls was 17th going into the NCAA Tournament.

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

The easiest thing IMO would be moving JCL to a GA type role. But I haven’t heard anything that the interest has gone both ways.

That's still doing someone dirty and I would be completely opposed to adding Cockburn if it means screwing someone else over that badly.

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

Sooooo can confirm there’s some interest from Kofi’s camp in coming to KU because of NIL possibilities. Blue blood market (read: 3 strype lyfe) and all that

Self would have to do someone, either Dave or Cam Martin most likely, extremely dirty to make that happen and I don't think Self has the character of forcing out a ready to play person for someone else.

The profile of who Self has forced out has always either been discipline issue players or development players. Sydney Curry being a development player made sense to force out to make room for Ochai returning. Unless Self thinks Cam Martin just is incapable of competing in the Big 12, I don't like what Self would have to do to bring in Kofi Cockburn.

@Marco said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

@drgnslayr The only thing that I am concerned about is remembering that transfer heavy Lawson brothers team of a few years back when it just didn't mesh, and as I recall we started the season rated #1. This year we have what, nine new players (5 transfers, 4 freshmen)? But in Bill I trust, and on paper we do look very good.

The 2018-19 team did not have a bad year because of the transfers. Doke's injury had the biggest impact on the team as KU was undefeated with Doke starting. The other big impact was Lagerald Vick being a team cancer and getting kicked off the team. Quentin Grimes being a massive bust also really hurt that team. That was also one of Self's youngest teams ever and at one point had 4 freshmen in the starting line up.

@approxinfinity said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I believe it goes against Bill's MO to not start Braun. When was the last time Self didnt start a perimeter guy who was 3rd year and was a rotation guy previous 2 seasons? I agree JCL seems like the better starter. And these are new uncharted waters with transfers not having to sit. Bill will have to prove himself maybe with giving minutes to JCL or suffer the consequences recruiting transfers going forward. I just think its going to be hard for him.

Christian Braun was terrible last year and was a black hole on both ends of the floor far too frequently last season. Braun needs to play 3 or the 4 when KU goes small, not the 2 which is what he was forced into last season.

@FarmerJayhawk I don't think Yesufu ends up starting. He's never been a full time starter and I don't think Self ends up starting him over JCL who has always been a starter wherever he was. Yesufu is probably more likely to be on the floor at the end of games in crunch time than JCL is which is the more important dynamic anyway. I think there's also a lot more question marks about how consistent Yesufu be against a full P5 schedule as opposed to a handful of games whereas JCL doesn't have those question marks because he's a known commodity at the P5 level. I wouldn't even be surprised is Yesufu ends up playing more minutes than JCL, but I think it makes more sense given their histories to start JCL over Yesufu.

@drgnslayr said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

@Texas-Hawk-10

I miss the days when I had time to stay as plugged in to D1 as you. Thanks for the input!

Your starting lineup screams high-level play and hard not to see us winning most everything (if not everything) and should put us right there as a team ranked #1 preseason (or soon thereafter).

Our starting 5 will be very experienced separately, and stand a great chance of gelling into something very special. At that point, it really is up to Self to scheme up winning offense.

I'm a little uncertain how we will do defensively. This is the one area leaving the biggest question mark for me, though I think in the least we will be far above most of the competition.

Even with all the depth, we need to stay healthy... especially key players, like Martin.

I don't think KU will be preseason #1, but it's possible. There's going to be a lot of teams splitting the votes. Gonzaga, Michigan, Villanova, UCLA, Ohio St., and Texas if they get Marcus Carr are all teams that could get first place votes along with Kansas.

Defense is going to be a weakness since Self didn't significantly upgrade the athleticism. Defense is why I think Dejuan Harris could find a spot in the rotation because he's KU's best on ball defender.

The offense should look like a typical Self 4 out offense. Remy is a guy who will aggressively attack the basket, Dave will bet a lot of screens so will see a lot of picks and screens. JCL, Agbaji, Braun, and Wilson should all get quite a few open looks from three this season. Dejuan Harris next to Martin would be good as well because we know Harris can hit open 3's. Yesufu should be able to do a lot of Martin does on offense, just not quite as well. Agbaji should also get a fair amount of lob passes as well.

Bottom line is this team should be a lot of fun to watch on offense this season and be a pretty high scoring team that doesn't suffer the same type of scoring droughts of the last couple of seasons because this team, while not elite like the Mason and Graham era, should be a good outside shooting team.

KU is a legitimate national title contender next season. That is the ceiling for this team is cutting the nets down in New Orleans.

As for the roster, I think the starting line up ends up being R. Martin, JCL, Agbaji, Wilson, and McCormack. I think the primary reserves will be Yesufu, Braun, and C. Martin with Dejuan Harris and Zach Clemence fighting for rotation level minutes as well, but the two most likely to get squeezed if Self goes 8 deep. I think Pettiford and Adams find themselves on the outside looking in as far as the rotation goes and end up as possible redshirt candidates. I believe Kyle Cuffe will be a for sure redshirt this year since he's coming in a year early and needs time to develop.

As far as the Big 12, there's one more puzzle piece for sure out there that can affect the Big 12 and that's Marcus Carr. Marcus Carr in Austin makes them a top 5 team and a national title contender as well. Baylor will take step back, but still a borderline top 10 team. West Virginia should also be a top 20 team and would've been a top 10 team had McBride returned. Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St. should still be tournament caliber teams. TCU could sneak into being a bubble team, and KSU and ISU will both be garbage and Bruce Weber will be fired after this season.

I think Remy Martin ends up winning Big 12 POY and leads the team in scoring and assists. Dave and Ochai will also earn All-12 honors and Wilson and JCL will be honorable mentions this year.

@approxinfinity said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

@Texas-Hawk-10 it seems like Mitch is a better rotation player than Cam for Selfs system, given his history with the team, and better, albeit not great, defense. We all agree Cams D is likely going to be bad. The only way Cam is a rotation player is if he is a 4 or Self greenlights the 5 bombing and is ok with a gaping hole for interior D.

So whats more likely... That ^... Or Mitch playing rotation minutes?

Cam is not exclusively a 3 point shooter and is very good at scoring close to basket. That gives him more value than Mitch on offense. Cam is also the best rebounder on this team which is something KU struggled with last season getting killed on the glass. Cam helps big time in that area as well.

This is why I think Cam gets most of the rotation minutes at the back up 5 spot.

@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

Hoping for 0, personally.

Mitch will play some. There will be some match ups where Mitch is the better play as Dave's back up over Cam. I do agree in general that Mitch probably shouldn't be a rotation level player this year, but if it happens, at least this team won't be offensively challenged like last season.

@BigBad said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/miami-booster-offers-540000-nil-endorsement-deal-to-all-hurricanes-scholarship-football-players/ ↗

Very misleading and click bait-y title.

From the article:

"Players can earn up to $6,000 a year by promoting the gyms through social media, personal appearances and other marketing tactics."

That's not money that's going to influence anyone to stay an extra year.

@FarmerJayhawk said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@chriz said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@chriz said in NCAA loses more power... again...:
To answer your questions:

1. No, none of KU's issues involved NIL stuff.

2. No, very few people will make enough from NIL deals to want to stay in school longer. If someone is good to turn pro early, that's going to be more money than staying in school.

3. Someone will end up as the poster child of how not to balance academic/athletic/NIL responsibilities

4. Most NIL based deals will be relatively small and from local businesses. The NIL deal will have minimal impact on KU's recruiting unless the athletic department totally botches how they handle and promote NIL opportunities to kids.

I would think there’s a strong enough relationship between NIL and KU’s case that it may have some impact? E.g. If NIL existed then perhaps KU wouldn’t have done this or that (allegedly)?

Also for the marginal kids, the ones who may or may not make money by declaring, perhaps NIL would give them the incentive they needed to return?

NIL has absolutely nothing to do with KU's case. New NIL regulations won't change how Nike, Adidas, and Under Armour operate at the grassroots level funneling kids to specific programs. A $2,500 endorsement deal isn't going to stop Nike or Adidas from funneling $25,000 to a recruit's family (more money the higher ranked the recruit is).

Your second point is just flat out bad business. NIL is going to have no impact on whether a player stays or goes pro because there's no restrictions on endorsements as a pro so players would get any NIL endorsement money on top of their professional salary. If a kid chooses to return to school solely because of NIL, then that kid needs to take a financial literacy class because that kid is dumb and financially illiterate.

Depends on the specifics. If a particular booster is willing to go above and beyond any reasonable rate to retain someone, could be the case. To my knowledge, Devon Dotson doesn't have any lucrative NIL deals. Maybe on shoes? And makes ok money as a 2 way. A booster could theoretically (if NIL was passed 18 months ago) say, "yo Devon. I'll give you a $750k deal to endorse my insurance product." Total compensation would be about equal. Is this likely to happen? No. But at big time college programs like KU basketball and Nebraska football with rabid fanbases and great booster support, it's quite possible.

Your proposed scenario would likely never happen because that would be a major rules violation that could ruin a program. NIL legislation restricts athletes from signing NIL deals with companies associated with boosters so unless a school wants the NCAA handing out punishment, your proposed scenario will never happen.

@chriz said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@chriz said in NCAA loses more power... again...:
To answer your questions:

1. No, none of KU's issues involved NIL stuff.

2. No, very few people will make enough from NIL deals to want to stay in school longer. If someone is good to turn pro early, that's going to be more money than staying in school.

3. Someone will end up as the poster child of how not to balance academic/athletic/NIL responsibilities

4. Most NIL based deals will be relatively small and from local businesses. The NIL deal will have minimal impact on KU's recruiting unless the athletic department totally botches how they handle and promote NIL opportunities to kids.

I would think there’s a strong enough relationship between NIL and KU’s case that it may have some impact? E.g. If NIL existed then perhaps KU wouldn’t have done this or that (allegedly)?

Also for the marginal kids, the ones who may or may not make money by declaring, perhaps NIL would give them the incentive they needed to return?

NIL has absolutely nothing to do with KU's case. New NIL regulations won't change how Nike, Adidas, and Under Armour operate at the grassroots level funneling kids to specific programs. A $2,500 endorsement deal isn't going to stop Nike or Adidas from funneling $25,000 to a recruit's family (more money the higher ranked the recruit is).

Your second point is just flat out bad business. NIL is going to have no impact on whether a player stays or goes pro because there's no restrictions on endorsements as a pro so players would get any NIL endorsement money on top of their professional salary. If a kid chooses to return to school solely because of NIL, then that kid needs to take a financial literacy class because that kid is dumb and financially illiterate.

@chriz said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

1. Sorry if I missed it earlier, but will this ruling have any impact on the NCAA vs. KU case?

2. Also, you’d think this would make players stay longer, right? So a good thing for college basketball?

3. At least, so long as they are still motivated to play hard despite having already received income.

4. We are KU and that should still help get recruits. But perhaps not as much anymore since they can get paid (more easily) to go anywhere, particularly the larger markets, right?

To answer your questions:

1. No, none of KU's issues involved NIL stuff.

2. No, very few people will make enough from NIL deals to want to stay in school longer. If someone is good to turn pro early, that's going to be more money than staying in school.

3. Someone will end up as the poster child of how not to balance academic/athletic/NIL responsibilities

4. Most NIL based deals will be relatively small and from local businesses. The NIL deal will have minimal impact on KU's recruiting unless the athletic department totally botches how they handle and promote NIL opportunities to kids.

@jayballer67 said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

Question , how many minutes do we think Cam gets to play ? - - I think we COULD seed him if conditions warrant I could see in some games 10-13 minutes a game behind Dave. - he is a Big that can stretch the floor , I think there might come sometimes in the year we need a guy like that who can stretch the floor pull opposing teams Big's out stretch the floor. - -I think he MIGHT just be like a little surprise player to some opposing teams. The big question with him is going to be - -can he defend at the P-5 level ? - -He defend D-2 but there is big difference. I still think he just might be a little more valuable through the year then some think - For sure can shoot from outside - going to be interesting with this roster , how some players pan out.

Cam makes Landen Lucas look like T-Rob athletically. Cam will only be able to play the 5 and against teams with bigs like Texas or USC last season, Cam will be nearly unplayable.

Cam is a guy that will have to be dependent on technique and positioning to be successful and that's something KU's bigs have traditionally been pretty strong at so he'll be a solid scorer and rebounder in his limited minutes, but it should be in the 10-13 range.

@FarmerJayhawk said in Remy:

Just a shade under 3 months until KU football starts! In Leipold we trust.

2 months, FIFY

@mayjay said in Remy:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I don't see alcohol there, which is legal for players over 21.

It might be, but with the combination of nightclubs and alcohol paraphernalia, I don't see an alcohol endorsement being approved by a school. Isn't KU a dry campus anyway?

@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

The top 7 is still not an athletic bunch. JCL fills a big off the bench microwave scorer type.

The backup 4 is interesting because its either a guard or a freshman. Braun at the 4 is an interesting thought unless his aggresiveness goes way up.. Those two freshman have different skill sets. So intriguing to see.

Self didn't do much to address the athleticism of the team, but this is a team that will put up a lot of points which was the biggest issue last season. This is a team that will be able to flat out score the basketball and is constructed to maximize the 4 out look.

The main rotation could also very easily end up without any of the freshmen in it. I think Cuffe is a near lock to redshirt and I wouldn't be shocked if KJ redshirts as well.

I also think this will be a rare season where we Self go with a 9 man rotation because the talent level dictates that. Remy Martin, Yesufu/JCL, Agbaji, Wilson, McCormack is the likely starting line up. Yesufu/JCL and Braun will for sure be seeing big minutes off the bench. Cam Martin makes the most sense as McCormack's primary back up. Clemence and Lightfoot possibly get situational minutes behind McCormack based on match ups. Dejuan Harris is likely in mix as Remy and Yesufu's main back up, but is the most likely to be squeezed of Self sticks with his more normal 8 man rotation. The biggest reason I think Harris plays quite a bit though is his defense as he is by far KU's best on ball defender next season.

I agree the back up 4 is the biggest question mark right now and if that's the biggest issue with roster composition, that's a great place to be. I do think Zach Clemence and KJ Adams will be given every chance to earn that spot and I'm hoping Clemence wins that role because he is a natural fit as a stretch 4 that can shoot over defenses. If Clemence and Adams aren't ready, I do believe it'll be a combination of Agbaji and Braun filling those minutes behind Wilson at the 4 spot.

This is definitely one of the deepest rosters on paper Self has ever had and I'm excited to see how the rotation shakes out.

@jayballer67 said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

Well got to say I'm surprised more then not. Probably the not so well showing had a lot to do with him coming back. - -Now now are can you say it with me - -we are LOADED - -L- -O - -A - D - -E -D unbelievable depth.

Now we wait on Remy GOD I hope he comes. only thing is , IF Remy does show , then aren't we over the limit ? - - So much for Carr , that's ok -- I'm perfect with Oach coming back for sure Let's all hope we get Martin - -then - - LET THE GAMES BEGIN

Remy is the scholarship limit.

@jayballer67 said in Around the Big 12:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Around the Big 12:

Was researching landing spots for Carr and with all the KU stuff that’s happened over the last few months I glossed over how loaded Texas is. Disu and Mitchell are both really good. Bishop solid depth piece. Ramey back. Timmy Allen was first team all-PAC last year as a wing. Potentially adding Carr. Just being honest, but if they get him I think they’re better than us and right there with Gonzaga.

Went on Kentucky boards. The y ( the fans ) there aren't really giving much hope there or really to concerned either , as they feel they are pretty deep at that position and with Mintz coming back just adds more depth. Not knocking Carr by any means they just saying they really don't feel the need - -I would have to agree with them on that , the have enough guys for that spot quality. - -Basically so thinks then it comes down to KU - Louisville - - & Texas - -basically we are on the outside looking in on this - - I think dammit Beard get's this one too. - -He is becoming a real pain in the ass.

Good, I hope Beard makes Texas a consistent national title contender and Drew keeps Baylor at an elite level. The more top tier title contenders in the Big 12, the better for Kansas. Hell, Duke has won two national titles since the last time they won a regular season ACC title because that league is so damn top heavy most years.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Remy:

@FarmerJayhawk I don't know, seems like I read that and a few other things.

Here's a list from Oklahoma on what's not allowed with NIL and I'm guessing most other states and schools have very similar lists. So no, Remy Martin cannot endorse Remy Martin while he's a college student.

•Assault weapons and/or other related firearms

•Banned substances pursuant to NCAA Bylaw and/or Policy

•Bars and/or nightclubs

•Cannabis-related enterprises (e.g. dispensaries, grow suppliers, seed companies, etc.)

•Casinos, sports wagering, or other gambling services

•Companies and/or services owned or operated by institutional staff members or their family members

•Drug and/or alcohol paraphernalia

•Performance-enhancing drugs pursuant to NCAA Bylaw and/or Policy

•Pornography

•Professional sports teams and/or organizations

•Recreational drugs

•Tobacco and/or tobacco alternatives pursuant to NCAA Bylaw and/or Policy

Is KU pushing for Carr because Martin is planning on staying in the draft?

Because that's the only reason for KU to be going after Marcus Carr.

@Oldmanhawk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

@Marco do you know something about Och that I don’t or do you have a hunch? Just curious because I’m somewhat confident Och returns

He's not basing that on anything verifiable. Ochai's decision is largely going to be influenced by whether or not he gets any assurances of signing a two-way contract with a team after the draft because he isn't going to be drafted after his underwhelming combine performance.

@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

No room. Good player though.

There could be room if Self makes Ochai's decision for him.

@BeddieKU23 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kevin-obanor-1.html ↗

Is portaling

Major want want

This is the type of player Self should target if Ochai stays in the draft.

Kofi Cockburn is better than Dave, but going all out to bring him in also risks destroying team chemistry by alienating one of the leaders of the team.

If Ochai doesn't come back, a game ready, back up 4 is probably the need unless the staff thinks Zach Clemence is ready to play 10-15 minutes per game out of the gate.

Looks like Mitch Lightfoot is the first Jayhawk basketball player to sign an endorsement with 1-800-Got-Junk because he apparently has the messiest locker, lol!

@bskeet said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Texas-Hawk-10

RE: EA Sports... This ruling makes a College Basketball edition much more likely in the future.

We'll never know how OP that 2019-2020 squad with Doke would have been.. but if we'd had the game, we could have had a lot of fun dunking over and over for the final 6+ games of the season.

I hope EA doesn't do the college basketball game because their basketball games have been trash. I'd much rather 2K make the college basketball game.

NIL laws go into effect tomorrow so we should start seeing partnerships and promotional posts pretty quickly from KU athletes.

I do think a lot of people are blowing way out of proportion how much money athletes will earn from this arrangement. We're also not likely to see very players using their school logo when promoting a product since most states with an NIL law have banned that and I assume will end up being prohibited once rules are standardized nationally.

I think the most financially successful NIL arrangements will end up being subscription based services such as Twitch and Cameo.

I am curious where that line will end up being in regards to that area because it's all but a certainty that college athlete is going to advantage of their looks and physique they have and create an OnlyFans while participating in a sport.

I'm also curious how this will impact the new EA Sports College Football game in regards to obtaining permission to use a player's NIL.

@jayballer67 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

Marcus Carr withdrew from the draft. Someone is going to get a heck of a PG.

I'm in the dark. Who is Marcus Carr

Minnesota

@jayballer67 said in TCU /probation from FBI case:

read where TCU got three years probation , NCAA accepted TCU's 5,000 fine and 1 % budget cut in budget. All from the TCU assistant Coach Corey Barker's involvement of accepting 6,000 payment from a Mangement Co - -Barker now has a 5 year show cause and can't coach until the earliest of 2026.

Some people of the other site saying the reason they got off light was as soon as they found out they fired Barker - - -Where KU didn't. But TCU basically admitted guilt acknowledging offense - where with KU has admitted nothing. - TCU didn't get any post season Bans - -No reduction of Scholi - pretty light. - -Wish we could just get this over with

KU has absolutely acknowledged violations happened in their case. KU isn't denying money changed hands with any of the three players named in the NCAA's accusations. What KU is fighting is the status of Adidas being considered a booster, which the NCAA seemingly forced KU to do to advance the Silvio DeSousa eligibility case.

@BeddieKU23 said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

@BeddieKU23 said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

ESPN updated their Draft big board again. Ochai outside the Top 60 now after the combine.

Not surprising considering how he scrimmaged. I still think his decision will be tied to whether or not he has assurances of signing a two-way deal after the draft.

From what I saw posted somewhere else, he didn't have such deal in place last week

I wouldn't have expected anything to happen prior to the combine. Post combine tends to be when a lot of that stuff happens, especially with somebody like Ochai who could've performed his way into the back end of the draft. We'll know either way in about a week what Ochai's decision is.

@BeddieKU23 said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

ESPN updated their Draft big board again. Ochai outside the Top 60 now after the combine.

Not surprising considering how he scrimmaged. I still think his decision will be tied to whether or not he has assurances of signing a two-way deal after the draft.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

@Texas-Hawk-10 did the g-league scrimmage?

The G-League does their combine before the NBA Combine and there's usually a few guys that get NBA Combine invites from the G-League one. Kofi Cockburn from Illinois was one of the bigger names at the G-League Combine.

@mayjay said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

The most interesting thing I learned today about the combine was that Garza tested the worst of all attendees in both the standing vert jump and the sprint. Expected to go low 2nd round if at all.

Garza will be a situational match up player in the NBA. He'll have a lot of DNP's and spend time in the G-League to get in game reps, but he can score in the paint and can knock down a 3 if left unguarded. He's also a 70% FT shooter so he's not a liability there either.

He'll never be a star or even a full time starter, but Garza definitely has a place in the NBA, just not as prominent as he would've had 20 years ago. I honestly think Garza will end up having a better NBA career than Doke will.

Agbaji is the only question mark. ESPN has him going 59th, but that was right before the Combine scrimmages where Agbaji didn't really impress much. If he had assurances of a two way deal with someone, that would drastically increase the odds of Agbaji staying in the draft.

If Agbaji does return, I think KU would be the front runners for a national championship and Self could play Agbaji at the 4 spot like he did in 2019-20. That would mean KU's entire rotation is made up of players in at least their third season and that kind of experience would be priceless.