@kjayhawks said in Ok so here is another question with the tourney:
Liberty and Utah State look like a couple of teams that could pull an upset. I don’t want to see ETSU again personally.
ETSU is gonna be a 12/13 seed assuming they win the SoCon so that would be a potential S16 game
Liberty probably gets a 12 seed so again a potential S16 game.
Utah St. probably gets an 11 seed so KU probably wouldn't see Utah St. even if they're in the same region.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Team Chemistry:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Team Chemistry:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Team Chemistry:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Team Chemistry:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Team Chemistry:
Next year’s group is going to be a lot of fun. Self has a boatload of interchangeable pieces, all of whom play really hard. I have no idea who’s going to start at the 4. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Enaruna, Wilson, Braun, or TGF at that spot.
Braun at the 4 potentially? I don't see that at all. I really wouldn't be surprised if Mitch wins the starting 4 spot next year because of his intangibles.
The advantage Enaruna and TGF have in the battle for minutes is they can both play the 3 and stretch 4 spots. I think Jalen is exclusively a 4 due to his lack of athleticism to guard on the perimeter. I don't see Braun playing any 4 because he's too small to guard post players. I think he can play 1-3 with the off ball guard spot being his natural position.
I agree about the versatility of the roster next season. Other than Dave and Silvio, everyone else who will be in the mix for rotation level minutes can play multiple positions which will give Self a bunch of flexibility to adjust to specific match ups. We could genuinely see an 8 or 9 man rotation next season even when Self trims it.
If Braun won the job I’d think Ochai would move to the 4. Fewer teams are running with 2 posts now so we could get away with playing 4 smalls like we did a couple years ago.
Agree 100% otherwise.
I just don't see Self voluntarily going that small next season with Mitch, Jalen, Tristan, and TGF on the roster. None of those 4 are low post oriented players, they're all perimeter/face up guys so I think our offense will look much more like it did from about 2011-2016 when our 4 spot was manned by a stretch 4 like Marcus, KY, and Perry. Dave and Silvio will have plenty of space to operate in the paint.
Size wise, next year should look a lot like 2011-2013 when KU was on of the biggest teams in the country. Next year's starting line up and rotation for that matter should not feature anyone under 6-5.
We’ll see! A lot will be determined by defense since we won’t have a force of nature on the interior. Love Dave, Silvio, and Mitch but they aren’t Doke.
I'd agree that Dave isn't the rim protector that Doke is, but I think with another off-season to work on his body, he can be a very good defender. I'll also say that Mitch is one of the best help defenders I've seen in the Self era. Plus Garrett will still be on the perimeter as well so I'm not too concerned about the defense next season.
I do think defense will take a small step backwards because it'll take a bit for Bryce Thompson to pick up the defense, but I think the offense should be better next season as well.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Team Chemistry:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Team Chemistry:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Team Chemistry:
Next year’s group is going to be a lot of fun. Self has a boatload of interchangeable pieces, all of whom play really hard. I have no idea who’s going to start at the 4. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Enaruna, Wilson, Braun, or TGF at that spot.
Braun at the 4 potentially? I don't see that at all. I really wouldn't be surprised if Mitch wins the starting 4 spot next year because of his intangibles.
The advantage Enaruna and TGF have in the battle for minutes is they can both play the 3 and stretch 4 spots. I think Jalen is exclusively a 4 due to his lack of athleticism to guard on the perimeter. I don't see Braun playing any 4 because he's too small to guard post players. I think he can play 1-3 with the off ball guard spot being his natural position.
I agree about the versatility of the roster next season. Other than Dave and Silvio, everyone else who will be in the mix for rotation level minutes can play multiple positions which will give Self a bunch of flexibility to adjust to specific match ups. We could genuinely see an 8 or 9 man rotation next season even when Self trims it.
If Braun won the job I’d think Ochai would move to the 4. Fewer teams are running with 2 posts now so we could get away with playing 4 smalls like we did a couple years ago.
Agree 100% otherwise.
I just don't see Self voluntarily going that small next season with Mitch, Jalen, Tristan, and TGF on the roster. None of those 4 are low post oriented players, they're all perimeter/face up guys so I think our offense will look much more like it did from about 2011-2016 when our 4 spot was manned by a stretch 4 like Marcus, KY, and Perry. Dave and Silvio will have plenty of space to operate in the paint.
Size wise, next year should look a lot like 2011-2013 when KU was on of the biggest teams in the country. Next year's starting line up and rotation for that matter should not feature anyone under 6-5.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Team Chemistry:
Next year’s group is going to be a lot of fun. Self has a boatload of interchangeable pieces, all of whom play really hard. I have no idea who’s going to start at the 4. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Enaruna, Wilson, Braun, or TGF at that spot.
Braun at the 4 potentially? I don't see that at all. I really wouldn't be surprised if Mitch wins the starting 4 spot next year because of his intangibles.
The advantage Enaruna and TGF have in the battle for minutes is they can both play the 3 and stretch 4 spots. I think Jalen is exclusively a 4 due to his lack of athleticism to guard on the perimeter. I don't see Braun playing any 4 because he's too small to guard post players. I think he can play 1-3 with the off ball guard spot being his natural position.
I agree about the versatility of the roster next season. Other than Dave and Silvio, everyone else who will be in the mix for rotation level minutes can play multiple positions which will give Self a bunch of flexibility to adjust to specific match ups. We could genuinely see an 8 or 9 man rotation next season even when Self trims it.
ETSU rolled to an easy victory over Western Carolina in the semifinals of the SoCon to advance to the title game against either Wofford or Chattanooga who are tied late in the second half.
@KirkIsMyHinrich said in Big 12 Awards:
@BeddieKU23 said in Big 12 Awards:
Self goes 17-1 and doesn't win COY. Gtfu
Voters should have their rights revoked
If you're mad about that, check out the Naismith COTY Semifinalists. Somehow Calipari is on there and Self isn't.
I saw that and that's the one that I'm trying to figure out. I probably would've had Kyle Keller from SFA on there instead. I have no issues with the other 9 though.
@kjayhawks said in 2020 Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I like WSUs odds to get in if they can win a couple of games in Fort Worth. I really want to play them.
If they get two wins, they'll definitely be in because their second game should be against Houston.
Wichita St. picked up a much needed win and did so with style today blowing out Tulsa at home by 22 points.
With this loss, Tulsa probably needs a run to the AAC title game in order to keep their at large hopes alive.
@BShark said in Team Chemistry:
The fact of the matter is we are going to have some solid to good players on the bench next year. This year we had RS and injuries to help manage egos, it might not be the case next year.
Next year is going to be a roster with a lot of upper classmen and strong leadership from Garrett and Lightfoot. I have zero concerns about ego's next season. On top of those two, Silvio will also be a senior, Dave will be a junior, Ochai will be a junior. Most of the rotation will be upper classmen next year.
It also helps in managing egos that KU doesn't have a lot of highly ranked recruits on the roster. Bryce Thompson could realistically be the only newcomer who plays more than 5 mpg next season. Tyon Grant-Foster is a nice player, but he's probably in line for a much larger role in 2012-22 than next season. Gethro Muscadin is a long term project that could redshirt next year. Latrell Jossell could decommit and reopen his recruitment if Dotson came back.
There's too much strong leadership on this team for egos to become an issue next year
@kjayhawks said in Big 12 Awards:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Drew has a good season but I just feel like Self doesn’t get it as often as he should.
Self's won it 6 times. Realistically, you probably could give it to Self just about every season, but it really doesn't bother me to see Drew win it this year. How many people genuinely expected Baylor to be 26-4 this season and 15-3 in B12 play? You tell just about anyone that ahead of the season, and they'd assume Baylor wins the regular season title. In the 18 game era of Big 12 play, 15-3 wins at least a share of the regular season title all but 3 times, including this season.
@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in Team Chemistry:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Team Chemistry:
Next season won't be a 4 guard look for KU. It will be much more like most of the past decade with a stretch 4 since KU will have 4 guys that could man that spot in Tristan, Mitch, and Wilson, and Grant-Foster.
I think KU's line up to start next season will be Garrett at the point, Bryce and Ochai at the 2/3 spots, Mitch at the 4, and Dave at the 5.
For the reserves, I think it'll be Braun, Wilson and Silvio as the primary reserves once conference rolls around Self trims the rotation. I think we'll see Thompson and Braun be the primary back ups to Garrett and we could also see Mitch play some 5 as well if needed.
I don't see DaJuan Harris playing a big role on next season's team. Tyon Grant-Foster is the one I'm curious about in regards to how well he'll adapt to high major basketball given the track of of JuCo's under Self has been a mixed bag over the years.
Tristan, Jalen, and Grant-Foster fighting for minutes should be good for KU. I could also see a scenario where Self goes with a big line up and use Tristan and Grant-Foster at the 3 in situations as well as KU won't have much back court depth next year. That's really what Tristan needs to develop anyway because the 3 is his NBA position and he could cause a lot of March ups problems if develops into capable 3/4 player for KU.
If dajuan Harris was not going to Tribute next year then he wouldn't have not redshirted this season
DaJuan Harris redshirted because of academics this year. Even if Harris was academically eligible this season, he wasn't going to be a big factor in the rotation. Even next season Harris is only going to the third best PG on the team behind Garrett and Thompson, and that's assuming Dotson is gone. Harris was signed as a project player to give Self long term stability and depth at the PG spot, not to be an early contributor.
I honestly don't have an issue with Drew winning COY. KU is in a position most people expected to be in. While Baylor was picked 2nd, nobody had them being this good nationally. While Self is absolutely the better coach of the two, but Drew did an amazing job this year having Baylor ranked #1 for a big chunk of the season and I have no issues with him getting the award this season.
@FarmerJayhawk said in Big 12 Awards:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Big 12 Awards:
Is this media or coaches awards?
Coaches. Marcus got robbed. Should’ve been at least second team.
I agree on that one, Garrett should've been 2nd team over Haliburton. Haliburton is a very good player, honestly probably the most talented player in the B12, but as many games as he missed with injury, he should've been dropped to 3rd team in place of Garrett.
Is this media or coaches awards?
@jayballer73 said in Ok so here is another question with the tourney:
So here is the thing if YOU were connected in the inner Circle say like staff Who might be a team that would make you feel a little uncomfortable , maybe get your stomach to churn a little , might make for a hard night sleeping some?
I've mentioned before in some other thread , I think the team that might be for me just might be BYU. - their age/maturity the way they can shoot the 3 - -43% from distance just pretty solid. They man handled Gonzaga earlier dude Haas is pretty scrappy kid.
So let's hear you - -who is THAT team you might not want to see fairly early in the Tourney ? - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KU already handled BYU by 15 out in Maui in November. I'd be more worried about a potential game with Marquette or St. Mary's in the second round anyway.
Liberty wins the A-Sun title game and bubble teams rejoice as the Flames were a potential bubble team had they lost.
@BShark said in Team Chemistry:
If Mitch 2ppg 2rpg Lightfoot starts we are in for big trouble and a precipitous fall imo.
If Mitch starts, it's not for his offense, it'll be for his defense and leadership. He's one of the best help defenders Self has ever had in the paint.
Mitch is also a solid rebounder at 10 per 40 minutes last season.
Mitch would absolutely be the 5th scoring option any time he's on the floor, but he's also capable of knocking down an open 3 if teams leave him alone (which he probably would be the guy teams double off of) and it seemed like he usually got a couple of offensive boards and put backs as well.
If KU is depending on Mitch as a low post scoring threat, then KU is in trouble next season. 5th year senior Mitch starting at the 4 spot and playing 20-25 minutes per game is not bad for KU.
At those minutes, I would expect Mitch to average about 5-6 PPG, 5-6 rpg, and about 2 blocks per game. Mitch will be the glue guy on next season's team.
@BShark said in Big 12 Tournament:
I hope Bill is serious.
I don't doubt he is. Self has never put a lot of stock in the B12 Tournament. His sideline demeanor has always been much more chill during this tournament even when KU loses.
Since KU is locked into the overall #1 seed again, there's really not a lot of reason to put Doke and Garrett at risk of further injury. We're gonna see some unusual line up combinations while KU is playing early on. If KU reaches the title game and is playing Baylor for the 3rd time, we might see Self resort to old habits, but in the first 2 games, we're gonna see some weird combinations at different points in the game. We'll probably see Tristan get some extended minutes, should see Silvio get some minutes as well to get him back into game shape as well.
Valparaiso with a 2 point lead over Bradley at halftime of the MVC Title game.
@kjayhawks said in 2020 Bubble Watch:
@Texas-Hawk-10 how close are you to Fort Worth? Would be fun to watch, I think 5 teams could win that tournament given the right day.
I live in Houston so I have no plans to make the 4 hour drive to Ft. Worth for that tournament. I might go check out the Southland Tournament at some point though since that's in the Houston area.
Next season won't be a 4 guard look for KU. It will be much more like most of the past decade with a stretch 4 since KU will have 4 guys that could man that spot in Tristan, Mitch, and Wilson, and Grant-Foster.
I think KU's line up to start next season will be Garrett at the point, Bryce and Ochai at the 2/3 spots, Mitch at the 4, and Dave at the 5.
For the reserves, I think it'll be Braun, Wilson and Silvio as the primary reserves once conference rolls around Self trims the rotation. I think we'll see Thompson and Braun be the primary back ups to Garrett and we could also see Mitch play some 5 as well if needed.
I don't see DaJuan Harris playing a big role on next season's team. Tyon Grant-Foster is the one I'm curious about in regards to how well he'll adapt to high major basketball given the track of of JuCo's under Self has been a mixed bag over the years.
Tristan, Jalen, and Grant-Foster fighting for minutes should be good for KU. I could also see a scenario where Self goes with a big line up and use Tristan and Grant-Foster at the 3 in situations as well as KU won't have much back court depth next year. That's really what Tristan needs to develop anyway because the 3 is his NBA position and he could cause a lot of March ups problems if develops into capable 3/4 player for KU.
Houston knocks off Memphis to knock the Tigers off the bubble. Memphis now needs to reach the AAC title game at a minimum to have any shot at an at large and probably needs to win the the AAC Tournament which will be harder than normal for them since that tournament isn't in Memphis this year. The AAC Tournament will be played at the new Dickies Arena in Ft. Worth this season.
@kjayhawks said in Team Chemistry:
@Crimsonorblue22 my inside sources had nothing positive to report on the Lawson boys. They were all about themselves is what I heard repeatedly. Grimes didn’t quit and leave the team but I’m watching him play against Memphis right now, he has scored 8 straight points for Houston and is without question playing harder than he ever did in a KU Jersey.
I never heard anything negative about Dedric. The stories I heard about involved KJ. Similar to the Henry brothers about 10 years ago. Xavier was never a problem and is a very underrated player for KU. CJ and dad however were a huge pain in the ass for the program.
@BShark said in Team Chemistry:
If only Grimes had bought in and listened to Bill.
Grimes was always overrated as a recruit. He never should have been a 5 star recruit. Grimes was essentially thrown to the wolves last year because KU didn't have the depth to make Grimes a bench player like he should have been. Grimes on this KU team would've been much better off because he wouldn't have had the expectations that he had last season. Grimes should've been brought off the bench and brought along similar to how Braun was this year.
Grimes was not put in a position to succeed at KU, and transferring to a high level mid major was his best bet. I still firmly believe Grimes will be a 1st team AAC player by his senior year and a solid candidate for AAC POY that year.
Quentin Grimes has gone off for Houston in the second half. Grimes is the biggest reason UH is now up 13 with a little over 2 minutes left.
Memphis and Houston are tied with a little over 16 minutes left.
Also, it's really cool hearing Houston alum Jim Nance call a UH game on national TV.
@drgnslayr said in Boy guys I really just don't know best to keep tabs:
What this virus shows us is we can't have people uninsured in this country. It creates a danger to all of us.
There are people who have had a coronavirus test and then billed several thousand dollars. You can't put public health and safety in situations like that.
Stories like that are why the government needs to stay the hell out of public health industry. Too many entities wanting a piece of the pie drives prices up for everyone.
There are 3 automatic bids on the line today.
The above mentioned A-Sun title game between Lipscomb and Liberty.
The Big South title game is today between Hampton and Winthrop 12pm on ESPN
Also, the Missouri Valley title is on the line between Valparaiso and Bradley on CBS after the Mem/Hou game.
As for today's slate of games (3/8), there are 4 games that affect the bubble. All bubble watchers eyes will be on the American today with a pair of games.
Tulsa at Wichita St.
Both teams are both squarely on the bubble. The winner will probably be on the good side of the bubble for now and loser likely needs to beat Houston in the AAC Tournament to get into the NCAA Tournament. Also, a win by Tulsa would give the Golden Hurricane the outright AAC title.
Memphis at Houston
Memphis needs this win to get into the bubble discussion as a season sweep of UH would look good on their resume. Even with a win over UH, the Tigers will have work to do in the AAC Tournament to get in the NCAA Tournament. A loss will send Penny to the NIT again.
Lipscomb at Liberty
With a win in the Atlantic Sun title game, Liberty would get the automatic bid and not have to worry about whether they'll get an at large bid next Sunday. With a loss, they'll be sweating it out during the selection show. Liberty is a big favorite today, but Lipscomb is one of the Flames 4 losses on the season and both games were close in the regular season.
Western Carolina vs. East Tennessee State
The Bucs are looking to advance to the SoCon title game with a win the semifinals today. ETSU is pretty much in the same boat as Liberty. A loss will make for a very long Selection Sunday, but SoCon Tournament title removes that. ETSU is a really good team and I'd rather see them get an at large (if needed) over a team like Indiana. KU only beat the Bucs by 12 back in November and they have a win at LSU as well.
Those are the 4 games to keep an eye on today.
Memphis at Houston tips at 11am on CBS.
Lipscomb at Liberty tips at 2pm on ESPN
Tulsa at Wichita St. tips at 3pm on CBSSN
WCU vs. ETSU tips at 3pm on ESPN+
All times are Central.
@drgnslayr said in 2020 Bubble Watch:
Thanks for your efforts!
Texas Tech should be in. They pass the eye test but we know it takes more than that to qualify.
Problem for Tech is they don't have a high volume of good wins. They only have 2 wins over teams that are tournament locks at this point (Louisville and WVU). They also have 13 losses is very uncommon for 14 loss teams to get an at large bid. 3 of Tech's losses are not good losses, DePaul, TCU, and OSU aren't losses that hold up well against the lack of quality wins.
I'm gonna say this, the loser of Texas-Texas Tech game on Thursday is going to the NIT this year and the winner will end up in a First Four game in Dayton. That's where I'm at with those two teams right now.
This is a crazy year for bubble teams. In a normal year, UCLA is nowhere near the bubble with a NET rating in the 70's right now. With the P5 leagues generally down this year (3 of the top 5 overall seeds in the NCAA Tournament are probably going to be mid major conference teams), I'd rather see programs like Richmond and UNI get at large bids over sub .500 in conference P5 schools. I'm hoping schools like ETSU, SFA, Liberty all win their tournaments, but those are the teams I'd rather see in the field this year.
@wissox said in 2020 Bubble Watch:
Speaking of bracketology, Archie's little rant. 🐦 View Tweet
Crazy thought here, don't have a losing conference record and then complain when you might be on the wrong side of the bubble.
Oregon knocked off Stanford by 13 to win the PAC 12 outright. The loss doesn't really hurt Stanford, but now they probably need two wins in the PAC 12 Tournament to feel good about their chances.
Last bubble affecting game of the night tips off in a few minutes in Eugene, Oregon as Stanford tries to lock themselves into the field with a win and Oregon tries to wrap up an outright Pac 12 title. I probably won't be awake for the end of it, but a big game in regards to tournament implications.
Kamar Baldwin nails a 3 with 1.2 seconds left to give Butler the win over Xavier. Butler finished with 36 points tonight. The loss knocks Xavier down to the 7 seed in the Big East Tournament and Xavier may need two win now at this point to lock in to the field. They're going to play DePaul first and assuming they win that one, would play Villanova.
Xavier trailing in a tight game with Butler that would help greatly boost Xavier's chances of an at large bid.
Cincinnati avoids disaster against Temple at home and pulls off a 1 point win.
Rhode Island tried giving the game away against UMass, but the pull out a 1 point win on the road to keep their at large chances alive. They still need to make a run in the A10 Tournament title game and beat Richmond in the semifinals to give themselves a real chance at an at large.
Jacque Vaughn now finds himself in a potentially very good situation if he is retained beyond this season by Brooklyn. With KD mad Kyrie healthy next season, Vaughn would have a top 5 team in the NBA along with the Bucks, Warriors, Lakers, and Clippers.
Bubble teams that have helped themselves today (3/7)
Helped themselves, so far
Utah St.- the Aggies won the MWC conference tournament to secure an automatic bid to take themselves off the bubble and shrink it by 1.
NC State- Wolfpack whipped Wake on Friday night to stay in good shape for an at large bid.
Richmond- Spiders picked up double digit win over Duquesne to keep their at large hopes alive on Friday.
Rutgers- picked up a much needed road win over fellow bubble team Purdue to likely completely knock Purdue off the bubble.
East Tennessee St.- the Buccaneers took care of business in the quarterfinals of the SoCon Tournament.
Oklahoma- Sooners kept their spot on the positive side of the bubble by coming back from 20 down to beat TCU and avoid a loss that could have put them on the wrong side of the bubble.
Mississippi St.- Bulldogs blow out Ole Miss by 25 to keep their chance alive and finish as the 4 seed in the SEC tournament. A couple of wins, including a probable quarterfinals game against Florida would likely lock MSU in the field.
Arizona St.- Sun Devils picked up a much needed win over WSU to stay on the good side of the bubble.
Hurt themselves today, so far.
Indiana- Hoosiers could've locked themselves in with a win over Wisconsin, but now find themselves needing a win or two in the B10 Tournament.
Purdue- home loss to Rutgers all but knocks Purdue out of any at large discussion.
Texas- after a great run to out themselves in the mix, a bad loss to Oklahoma St. likely means Texas has to beat Texas Tech on Thursday to have any hope of an at large bid.
Texas Tech- today's loss drops Tech to 13 losses. Their game against Texas on Thursday appears to be essentially an elimination game for an at large bid with the loser probably NIT bound at this point.
Marquette- Eagles took a bad loss to St. John's today that puts them firmly on the bubble at this point.
UCLA- Bruins had a chance to clinch a share of the PAC 12 title with a win over USC (still could share if Stanford beats Oregon tonight). UCLA couldn't win though and probably need to reach the PAC 12 title game to feel safe about an at large bid at this point.
Florida- Gators blew a big lead and a chance to move off the bubble into locked in territory. Gators need a win or two in the SEC tournament to really feel safe at this point.
Arkansas- Razorbacks slim hopes took a big hit today with a loss to Texas A&M today.
Tennessee- Vols needed to beat Auburn to keep their already slim hopes alive. A 22 point loss removes Tennessee from any bubble talk.
South Carolina- Gamecocks took possibly the worst loss of any bubble team by dropping a game against Vanderbilt. SC, like Arkansas and Tennessee, have probably played themselves off the bubble at this point.
Northern Iowa- Panthers got destroyed by Drake in quarterfinals of the MVC Tournament to end any at large hopes they had and send them to the NIT.
Other teams yet to play or go final today (3/7) with bubble implications:
Stanford at Oregon: Oregon looking for an outright Pac 12 title with a win and Stanford looking to lock themselves in with a big time road win.
Temple at Cincinnati: Bearcats probably move to right of bubble with a win tonight. Currently losing late in the 1st half in a game where neither team is lighting up the scoreboard.
Rhode Island at UMass: Rams up late in a game that could move them into the discussion for an at large bid if they make a run in the A10 Tournament. A loss sends them to the NIT unless they win the tournament.
Memphis at Houston: Tigers have to win to keep any hopes alive
Tulsa at Wichita St.- Tulsa could win an outright AAC title with a win and move into the field with a first game win in the AAC Tournament. WSU has to win because they need another quality win to keep any hopes they have alive. A loss probably moves them off the bubble barring a run to the AAC title game.
I might be missing someone at this point, but I think I covered most everyone in the discussion.
@kjayhawks said in Other Games:
@Texas-Hawk-10 if more bubble teams keep losing, the door will be open still lol.
South Carolina was already on the wrong side of the bubble going into today. They were in the second 4 out group already and Vandy is the last place team in the SEC. That was a bubble bursting loss today.
South Carolina played themselves completely off the bubble today with an absolutely horrible loss to Vanderbilt today.
The door is open for Dayton and FSU to get the 1 seed in the East. I don't think SDSU would mind being the two in the West though since that regional is just up the highway in LA this year.
Texas definitely shot themselves in the foot big time today and OU appears to be doing the same thing at TCU as well as they are down 10 with about 6 minutes left. B12 might be playing its way into being a 4 team league instead of 6.
UCLA also didn't do themselves any favors today dropping a game against USC that could've given UCLA at least a share of the PAC12 title. UCLA probably has to reach the P12 title game now to make the NCAA Tournament.
This is not what other bubble teams want to see with USU shrinking the bubble by 1.
Damn! That shot by Flynn was in and out to try and tie the game
@kjayhawks said in Other Games:
@Texas-Hawk-10 a loss doesn’t knock them out or really move them down. But just about source has them as the 2 or 3 team out currently
Looks to be a non issue now with shot Merrill just nailed to put USU up 3 with 2.5 seconds left.
@kjayhawks said in Other Games:
Big game for bubble teams on CBS with Utah State up 4 on SDSU. This is a one team league if SDSU pulls it off. I’d not a bubble team gets bounced.
USU is a bubble team so a loss doesn't destroy their hopes. An SDSU loss probably knocks SDSU off the 1 line and probably bumps Dayton up to a 1 seed
@jayballer73 said in Other Games:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Other Games:
@jayballer73 said in Other Games:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Other Games:
@jayballer73 said in Other Games:
Well it's already started concerning things for seedings in the NCAA tourney. - -All these teams that's on the bubble , just getting quite a bit smaller for a chance to make it. - -Was reading results from some of the Conference tourneys and so many lower seeded teams knocking off higher seeds in their Conference Tourney. These are leagues that unless you win your Tourney , you not making the NCAA. - - So that's going to take a spot away from other bubble teams. - -going to be crazy.
There's only one conference tournament game that affects the bubble today and that's the Mountain West title game with Utah St. being on the bubble. Northern Iowa is the only bubble team in conference tournament so far that has lost.
The only other team playing in a conference tournament game today that'll be affected by a loss is ETSU. ETSU in the SoCon is a potential bubble team that could lose so that's a tournament with keeping an eye on. Furman is more than capable of knocking the Bucs off and making ETSU sweat it out.
The Pac 12 and AAC both have multiple regular season games this weekend that will have a big impact on the bubble. In the P12, USC and UCLA play each other and UCLA would clinch at least a share of the P12 title with a win and Stanford plays at Oregon in a game that could move the Cardinal off the bubble. If UCLA and Stanford both lose, they would meet in the 2nd round of the P12 tournament in a game that could have big NCAA tournament implications.
Tomorrow in the American, Tulsa plays at WSU in a game Tulsa could win the regular season title outright and Houston host Memphis in a game Memphis has to have to keep their tournament hopes alive.
bottom line there are some teams that's on the bubble that's not going to want to see any teams other then the predicted favorites to win. - if there is - -they are screwed.- -any upsets sure doesn't help Wichita State and other teams such a that
Wichita St. needs a win today for any upset to be relevant for their tournament hopes. If they don't win today at home against Tulsa, they will be flat out off the bubble regardless of what anyone else does this weekend or in their conference tournaments and they will have to win the AAC tournament to get the automatic bid. You can't claim a win against Oklahoma as your best win and get an at large bid.
I could give a dm if they need an upset or not - - they suck
You're the one who specifically mentioned WSU as not wanting to see bid stealers win. All I said was they needed to beat Tulsa for any of those potential upsets to be relevant for WSU since a loss to Tulsa pretty well knocks them off the bubble and into the have to win their tournament to get in group.
@jayballer73 said in Other Games:
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Well it's already started concerning things for seedings in the NCAA tourney. - -All these teams that's on the bubble , just getting quite a bit smaller for a chance to make it. - -Was reading results from some of the Conference tourneys and so many lower seeded teams knocking off higher seeds in their Conference Tourney. These are leagues that unless you win your Tourney , you not making the NCAA. - - So that's going to take a spot away from other bubble teams. - -going to be crazy.
There's only one conference tournament game that affects the bubble today and that's the Mountain West title game with Utah St. being on the bubble. Northern Iowa is the only bubble team in conference tournament so far that has lost.
The only other team playing in a conference tournament game today that'll be affected by a loss is ETSU. ETSU in the SoCon is a potential bubble team that could lose so that's a tournament with keeping an eye on. Furman is more than capable of knocking the Bucs off and making ETSU sweat it out.
The Pac 12 and AAC both have multiple regular season games this weekend that will have a big impact on the bubble. In the P12, USC and UCLA play each other and UCLA would clinch at least a share of the P12 title with a win and Stanford plays at Oregon in a game that could move the Cardinal off the bubble. If UCLA and Stanford both lose, they would meet in the 2nd round of the P12 tournament in a game that could have big NCAA tournament implications.
Tomorrow in the American, Tulsa plays at WSU in a game Tulsa could win the regular season title outright and Houston host Memphis in a game Memphis has to have to keep their tournament hopes alive.
bottom line there are some teams that's on the bubble that's not going to want to see any teams other then the predicted favorites to win. - if there is - -they are screwed.- -any upsets sure doesn't help Wichita State and other teams such a that
Wichita St. needs a win today for any upset to be relevant for their tournament hopes. If they don't win today at home against Tulsa, they will be flat out off the bubble regardless of what anyone else does this weekend or in their conference tournaments and they will have to win the AAC tournament to get the automatic bid. You can't claim a win against Oklahoma as your best win and get an at large bid.
@jayballer73 said in Other Games:
Well it's already started concerning things for seedings in the NCAA tourney. - -All these teams that's on the bubble , just getting quite a bit smaller for a chance to make it. - -Was reading results from some of the Conference tourneys and so many lower seeded teams knocking off higher seeds in their Conference Tourney. These are leagues that unless you win your Tourney , you not making the NCAA. - - So that's going to take a spot away from other bubble teams. - -going to be crazy.
There's only one conference tournament game that affects the bubble today and that's the Mountain West title game with Utah St. being on the bubble. Northern Iowa is the only bubble team in conference tournament so far that has lost.
The only other team playing in a conference tournament game today that'll be affected by a loss is ETSU. ETSU in the SoCon is a potential bubble team that could lose so that's a tournament with keeping an eye on. Furman is more than capable of knocking the Bucs off and making ETSU sweat it out.
The Pac 12 and AAC both have multiple regular season games this weekend that will have a big impact on the bubble. In the P12, USC and UCLA play each other and UCLA would clinch at least a share of the P12 title with a win and Stanford plays at Oregon in a game that could move the Cardinal off the bubble. If UCLA and Stanford both lose, they would meet in the 2nd round of the P12 tournament in a game that could have big NCAA tournament implications.
Tomorrow in the American, Tulsa plays at WSU in a game Tulsa could win the regular season title outright and Houston host Memphis in a game Memphis has to have to keep their tournament hopes alive.
@kjayhawks said in Gonna be TBS for the National Semi Finals and Championship:
@jayballer73 I miss the old days where the local team would be on CBS. I’m sure they make a ton more money the way it is now tho.
Nope, don't miss it because I rarely got to see a KU tournament game until the second weekend because I never lived in the KC area. I would always get whatever the most competitive game was which was rarely a KU game. I much prefer the current set up where every game is broadcast in their entirety.