I highly doubt Doke, Preston, or Vick get an invite. I assume Graham, Svi, and Malik will.
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@mayjay Who do you think coaches talk too? Do you not think coaches want what is best for the player? Self isn't out here giving players poor information. If coaches do that then they get burned in recruiting. This is not that difficult.
@mayjay Kids should only listen to people with the NBAPA, their college coach, and NBA personnel. It is not anyone else's fault or problem if kids listen to people in their "circle" who tell them they are this and that and make a poor decision.
The original Shiver website was awesome. I really thought Matt did a great job there and there was some good posters. When he went to 247 it started going downhill and the last few months have been awful.
I actually just got off the phone with 247 cancelling my membership.
@Kcmatt7 except they are getting information that is telling them if it is a good or bad decision to stay in the draft. Some guys don't listen or listen to the wrong people and that is on them.
I guarantee you there will be numerous players that are not invited to the combine and have no business staying in the draft, but will keep there name in it.
I am actually against letting the kids come back if they declare and do not get drafted. If they listen to the wrong people and and make a bad decision then that is on them. Guess what... That's life. This is just going to cause a cluster F when it comes to orchestrating rosters.
If you declare for the draft and do not get invited to the combine but still stay in then you are making a dumb decision. Not sure why they should be able to come back.
Until another company comes to the table with a contract that will support and give apparel to all of the teams at KU then KU is not going to change. It is as simple as that.
Keyonte Kennedy has said KU along with a number of other schools has reached out to him after de-committing from Xavier.
Here is a good article from Seth Davis on today's report.
@Kcmatt7 Oh well that is pretty much irrelevant. There is going to be a change to the one and done. Most likely for the 2020 class.
@Kcmatt7 Where are you seeing that Freshman would not be allowed to play? I have not seen that anywhere...
@BShark This article says "off court issues"
http://newsok.com/article/3802903 ↗
http://www.news-star.com/article/20130428/sports/130429685 ↗
Looks like he had a kid and stopped going to school which led to grade problems...
I just remember Matt from the Shiver was raving about him and then he just disappeared.
@BShark Didn't Nino get into some trouble with the law? Ended up at a JC??
Oh and they are not going 0-12 this year.
@Texas-Hawk-10 People just do not understand how decimated this program was when Weiss left. I understand that most people have already made their mind up on Beaty and that is fine. Just have to acknowledge the facts of the roster he was given and what he is dealing with.
Beaty said today that the team should be around 70 scholarship players this fall. Also said it would take 3 more years to get too a full squad of 85.
According to Slater KU has not offered Kofi Cockburn a 6'11" big man.
Not sure if this has been posted but combine invites will go out on Friday the 27th.
@FarmerJayhawk staff prioritizing other bigs over Carey or more he’s not interested?
@Kcmatt7 I agree.
@Kcmatt7 I think he has to produce something on the field this year and I think he’s been told that. IMO that is why he went heavy in the Jucos with this class.
Wasn’t sure how to post a link, but I think this works. New article about Calapari meeting with NBA PA to discuss getting rid of the 1 & done and also a combine for HS Juniors which I actually really like.
@Kcmatt7 my reply to that is what is going to be different when the next coach comes
In and we are back down to 50 players? Guranteed that all the LA players leave, Hull leaves , etc... so next coach comes in and won’t win shit for 3 years and we are having this same conversation.
Do I think results on the field should have been better last year absolutely, but I’m not sure people understand how ran down this program was.
Our stadium is a f’ing dump. They are finally getting some momentum in fund raising to try and change that.
Hopefully they can come out and win 3-4 games this year and look competitive in doing so. They first need to find a damn QB but that’s a whole different conversation.
@betterfireE I agree. Saw a stat where the NBA is now composed of 25% of international players. A lot of those big guys are way more skilled that Doke. The quality of the international player has greatly changed the NBA.
@Kcmatt7 I’m the grand scheme of CFB 3M is nothing I get that. However, 2 years ago KU was paying its coach 800K. Now he is getting 1.6M. So to KU I would argue it is something. They are clearly not ready and or willing to pay a coach 3M.
I think a lot of people are grossly over estimating who would be interested in the job if and when it opens.
Are you just going to pay someone 3M just to say you are? What I am saying is I don’t think assistants worthy of getting 3M are going to take the KU job.
With the cluster F of coaching hires they have had I just don’t see them handing out that kind of contract right now. I also don’t think we would be able to attract top tier assistants right now. Most see this as a death sentence when it comes to coaching careers.
You have to be willing to give a coach 5 full years to get his team and scholarships right. If Beaty was fired for example there would be a mass exodus of players and our scholarship player total would be down in the lower 50’s if not below.
Now if Brett Vrenables was like hey I’ll take the job then yea I’m sure the check would be written. However, that quality of a coach is not walking through that door.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Give some examples of the "right candidate"
@Kcmatt7 I agree there needs to be some serious progression this year. Last year was a complete disaster. I hate to put a win total on the year as I am more looking at is the team even competitive and look like a power 5 team.
We will just have to disagree on the salary as I do not see anyway they will give a coach 3M a year at 5 or 6 years guaranteed right now. You fire Beaty and then you are just swimming in a pool of assistant coaches again.
I know I am in the minority when it comes to Beaty, but he is proving that he can attract talent. His class this past year was a top 50 class. Now can he put it together and make something of it on the field that is yet to be seen. As a season ticket holder I sure hope so. Would make the games a lot more fun to attend!
So people really think that KU is going to go from paying a coach 1.6M a year to 3M a year just like that?? Two years ago Beaty was making $800K. There is no way Zenger would get the OK to pay a coach 3M a year.
I understand why people hate on Beaty, but this team still at only 65ish scholarship players. It is not even close to a full squad. You can't just keep firing coaches and expect that situation to get any better. Obviously some people believe in him as David Booth committed a 50M pledge and they are paying cash for 26M indoor practice facility.
According to Givony of Draft Express who I think is the best in the business at projecting mock drafts he has Doke as a 2nd round pick in the 2019 draft.
I think he will be back. His quote in his press release did not come across someone that sounded very confident in leaving. Saying he was "curious" were he stood among other bigs. There are also about 180 kids that have declared counting international players and that does not count college seniors. Only 60 kids get a combine invite. I highly doubt he one of them.
Zenger was on 810 today and did about a 30 minute interview with Petro. They touched on a lot of topics and is a good listen if you have the time.
Sorry if I missed it, but what are the red flags with Bassey? Just that he is being recruited by WKU and Stansberry?
@Kcmatt7 I think Marshall is going to regret not leaving. They are not going to be very good the next couple of years.
@BShark I personally really hope that Mitch does RS. I don't think he will play much at all next year and he could develop into something a couple years down the road.
@Lulufulu There is a ton of depth. Dedric will start at the 4 and Doke at the 5. Then bigs coming off the bench you have DeSosa, Big Dave, KJ Lawson, and Mitch.
There are just so many guys when you factor in the International players as well. I just don't think he will get a invite this year. 60 sounds like a lot, but it really isn't when you factor in all of the draft eligible players.
FWIW... I do not think Langford is announcing via Skype. I think that rumor started from someone on another board making a joke, and people thought he was serious.
Also I am brand new to this board. It looks like there is a lot of information and conversation. I hope to add to that!
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