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Just got here for the second half. why aren't we murdering this team?
Why did the game start so late?
@Marco a ban on international travel didn't stop us from getting our ass kicked. The virus was already here. Seriously, with proper containment in the US instead of doing nothing for 2 months we would be in contact tracing mode with the country mostly opened up.
@Marco I just think it's really really bad. And it's hard maintaining being optimistic without trending toward being a little unrealistic. Hang in there. Tough times are still ahead but we will get through this.
@DanR I'll close the thread. and the next time someone wildly calls someone else a pedophile, yeah, I'll ban.
There's no home for this Q bullshit here @kjayhawks
EDIT: banned for 1 day. Basically i don't think we need to tolerate people flippantly calling people pedophiles here. that's a special kind of QAnon crazy that is slipping into mainstream. I think it's not much different than a racial slur.
@kjayhawks seriously. you should stay away from that Q stuff. it's an abyss of lies I don't think you can climb out of.
@Marco well how lucky for you that you live where you live and not in New York City, where they dug mass graves to bury the dead on Hart Island eh?
Also, this fractured narrative / shouting match is exactly what Russia wants. They were creating black lives matter and blue lives matter groups on facebook back in 2016. Thanks Donald Trump, idiot king, swamp creature numero uno, for ushering in this age of upheaval.
I was angry that people were protesting when we had a pandemic at first and I felt that they should be social distancing. Then I gradually realized that if this is an inconvenient time for me, when exactly is a convenient time to talk about systemic racism? When it's not as much of a problem? And this realization no doubt was because of how persistent the messaging had been. However, I hate hearing trite talking heads telling me what to think during sports broadcasts. If I didn't, I'd be a Duke fan and a Yankees fan, amirite? And I'm sick of hearing people tell other people what's good for them to think. Presenting the facts is one thing. But unfortunately, we live in an age where facts are commonly disputed as entire narratives (note, see orders of magnitude arguments, the Republican party is a cesspool rn, the Dems are just not great). So the only thing that is effective is an endless barrage telling the masses what to think and how they should feel. It's end game dystopían noise reaching a crescendo. And at some point, it will be a wonderful thing when it all shuts the F up.
Again, without having an agenda of what the players hope to achieve, what can be identified as a success to their efforts, this non-stop social justice material seems disorganized, chaotic and intangible. It's possible that desensitizing the public is a good thing, because it shifts the standards of what is acceptable.
Look at how Trump vomited every stupid idea he ever had onto Twitter. All day. Every day. Seemed to work for him for the same reason.
However, it doesn't mean that we have to enjoy it.
The social justice stuff is overwhelming when watching sports these days @benshawks08. Linking arms, kneeling, etc is one thing. Fully endorse. No questions asked. And screw anyone who says they can't or shouldn't.
Having sweeping dramatic cutaway pieces highlighting social justice throughout the broadcast is another. This goes beyond the players and is the artistic fantasies of the broadcasting companies.
@FarmerJayhawk yeah. Or if we make not wearing a mask properly (ie no nose sticking out) indoors in public a $1000 fine we should be able to open stuff like barbershops. As long as people are allowed to be selfish a-holes or ignoramuses, this isnt going to work. Hopefully we can open up more stuff before a vaccine.
I'm curious if the author of this CNN article would have found her "self-righteous" rant repulsive and would have had the courage to say so prior to Krug being outed. Self-righteous is self-righteous regardless of skin color, right?
What got to me most about the Krug "performance" was a video that surfaced of a talk she did at Harlem's Studio Museum about her involvement with a community-led police monitoring group called Harlem Cop Watch. As someone who actually grew up in the Bronx and actively reported on police violence in the 1990s, I was repulsed when I watched her self-righteous rant about her youth in the Bronx constantly witnessing acts of police brutality, describing one against her brother, and even alluding to the horrific police shooting of Amadou Diallo in 1999, which she claimed happened "around the corner from my home."
Yeah. I get why people are mad. I also think it's funny and interesting. Like I found Tonya Harding funny and interesting. Wouldn't wish an ice skater from "the wrong side of the tracks" to hire a hitman to kneecap her ice queen rival. But now that it happened, it's an interesting train wreck.
@justanotherfan if the research is solid, people shouldn't be trying to invalidate it now, and just focus on her backstory. This shows that someone is capable of doing great work in a field that they might not have had full access to if they had been screened out. I think denying the validity of her work is a mistake, and can be seen as discriminatory. Would she have achieved what she has achieved if she wasn't passionate about her work? Clearly she is dedicated to the field. Is this field only fully accessible to people of color? Also, maybe she's crazy. But hey, maybe Joan of Arc was crazy too.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/07/opinions/jessica-krug-black-morales/index.html ↗
What does the fact that her work was considered ground breaking and genius tell us until they realized she's not black? This story just blows my mind. Wild.
@Marco said in This is the kind of Pub KU doesn't need:
@benshawks08 Nor will I go there. But to say that those places can be open while bankrupting small businesses?
This isnt about disney vs barbershop. It's about disney vs virus and barbershop vs virus. Our barbers here are open and just need to follow the governors guidelines :
Clients are to maintain a minimum of 6 feet between each other.
All patrons must bring a face mask that covers the nose and mouth during service. Services that we provide will be limited to those that can be done without removing the face covering.
In addition, upon entry, all clients must visit our hand sanitizing station.
We request that clients enter the building alone unless a minor or disabled person. In that case, the parent and/or caregiver will be allowed to accompany the client using the recommended PPE for their protections.
Also, barbers are doing housecalls.
There's nothing wrong with business adapting to the times and meeting the needs to keep their clients safe.
~~@Marco so why is me knowing someone who died of covid part of the problem? Is the problem that I don't agree with your assessment? I thought you were suggesting that none of us probably knew someone who died as a reason for why we should open up the country. If I do, doesn't that weaken the premise of your argument?~~
We can move on.
Which part?
@Marco said in This is the kind of Pub KU doesn't need:
Let me rephrase (instead of using not buy), there have been sixty-some confirmed cases of covid-19 where I live so far, and every single one of them has recovered - even a 95 year old lady (no lie). I have never said that are no deaths, but am saying that it is time to fully reopen the country.
So because where you live, you don't know anyone who died, you therefore think it's time to reopen the country.
My neighbors mom died of covid, likely got it from her asymptomatic nurse sister. Shes all messed up about it but still doesnt observe good social distancing policies, from what I've observed. My brother got it, said it was the worst illness he's ever experienced, but he's ok. My brother is a Trump apologist and I am assuming my neighbor is too.
Afaict you're arguing erroneously that the disease isn't very deadly, and arguing erroneously for opening up the entire country based upon your singular personal experience, and arguing erroneously that your position isn't political.
Should we just move on?
What is there not to buy? I just don't get it.
@Marco I think the reason @Crimsonorblue22 asked what state you're in is because a lot of the country is mostly "open", so it depends on where you are.
That's Forbes, a conservative source, talking about the CDC succumbing to pressure by the Trump administration. At a certain point, it's time to accept that the position that isn't ours is not political. It's reality. Or... we can stick our head in the sand, keep riding the Trump-Fox crazy train, repeating the same addled logic and talking points we've been fed, and argue that it's just "my politics" or that somehow it's "not political".
@Marco https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm ↗
With the exception of the last few weeks of cdc data (take that as you will, given that they're now a political agency actively trying to suppress Covid counts thanks to Trump et stooges), the death counts are pretty consistent. Also, the counts may increase after the week of. I don't see how in these numbers we can derive that nobody is dying or will.
Even with social dístancing and masks, we are talking about 2x the number of people dying in the World Trade Center per week for context. I don't think anyone was saying Osama bin Laden was not a threat to Americans two weeks after he bombed the World Trade Center.
@Marco said in This is the kind of Pub KU doesn't need:
@Crimsonorblue22 I live in the United States of America. And despite the statistics you - so many do it - conveniently left out the most important one, hardly none of the new cases are dying or will.
If we relax social distancing and mask requirements and the positivity rate increases and hospitals/ventilators get over capacity we Will be back to April numbers.
@wrwlumpy wow man. That's fantastic. How did your wife like the show? Haha
"Vaughn coached the Nets to a 7-3 record, including a 5-3 stint with a short roster in the NBA’s bubble, and the Nets held their playoff position. Still, somehow, it wasn’t enough to land him the Nets head coaching job."
Yeah, that's pretty damn impressive. By "short roster" they mean wins over Clippers and Bucks, etc with a starting five of:
Joe Harris, R Kurucs, Jarrett Allen, Garrett Temple, and Caris Lavert.
Hopefully this is positive for Vaughn. Nash is a good guy. However the Nets did this with Lawrence Frank as highest paid assistant under Kidd and it wasn't a good scene. We will see. Feels like Vaughn deserved the job.
@Marco there are three problems I think.
1 is what you've mentioned, that people need to understand that there are other perspectives that have merit.
2 is that people need to realize and be honest about what is influencing the opinions they express.
I struggle when I talk to people who express talking points but don't seem to be inclined to evaluate why they are expressing them or if they are logical. In these circumstances it is hard to maintain discourse.
3 people must be allowed to change. Our ideas around hypocrisy in this country cast a false negative stigma on changing ones perspective. Also we see debates as verbal combat and not knowledge sharing and joint exploration. We should actively identify what biases we are advocating for or rejecting and realize that the case we make for or against biases does not define us in perpetuity, those opinions are simply the surfaces that we present to others at any given time.
The change happens within us first, in our molten core, and the surface opinions may appear static for a time; they are not in fact static, nor should they be. If they are the same as they were last week or last month or last year, that should be because we have reevaluated our thoughts and they still pass muster.
When someone is not willing or able to take in more information and evolve their opinions, and their stated opinions are the same positions championed by special interests, this is a disappointment. It's not really dialogue between two individuals at that point. At that point, it's hard to find merit in discussion, as it would seem that at least one party is not really interested in talking meaningfully. It also feels as though one is arguing more against the agency that has possessed the person with whom they are speaking rather that the person themself. This is a demoralizing and dehumanizing feeling. I wish it werent so.
However, there can be some optimism that all stated opinions aren't really what people believe. They're just the expressed opinion of the person at the time, with varying degrees of personal investment and ingenuity.
We don't have to act like the bought-off talking heads on news networks. That does not have to be how all political conversations go.
@jayhawkblue73 our lack of dialogue in this country is what got everyone not seeing eye to eye. It's not the problem, it's the cure.
@Crimsonorblue22 the cdc still has language that you don't need one.
@Crimsonorblue22 I didn't. I'll check it out. Do you have a vid?
Trump cronyism seems to be alive and well at the CDC, where the agency is now promoting a policy of not seeking testing if asymptomatic, despite the scientific community endorsing asymptomatic testing, in order to suppress positivity numbers.
This one is for you @kjayhawks , since you often remind us how unreliable the CDC is. We can thank our self serving nitwit president and his appointed crony, Robert Redfield.
@jayhawkblue73 appreciate you too man. I think we are all ass burrs right now. Glad to have fellow passengers to talk to.
@jayhawkblue73 sounds ominous. You arent leaving us are you?
I don't think his success is contingent on DJTs. It may save his career if it isn't tethered to a disasterous second term. Then the loyal Trumpers will see him as a champion of what might have been. I think he's positioned well to run after Trump loses.
For those who excuse Don Jr for "just being Don Jr", the face of Republican corruption is alive and well.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/28/podcasts/the-daily/donald-trump-junior-campaign.html ↗
Anyone want to take a guess as to what his political future looks like?
@Crimsonorblue22 how many people in the nba are shorter than Frank? Isiah Thomas, Chris Clemons, JJ Barea and that's it? Dj augustine is the same height as Frank at 5'11. I'm not saying he's not as good as those guys, but the league isn't too inviting for short guys who aren't super quick. Augustine's a pretty good comp, maybe. We will see who picks him up in off season. It has to be the right fit.
You know, reading this:
Mason proceeded to tear up the G-League, averaging 26.4 points, pacing the team to a 33-10 record and being named league MVP in a season cut short by the pandemic.
And seeing that he hasn't played the last 3 Bucks games makes me wonder if Frank should have gone overseas. Even now. What kind of money could Frank be making overseas? when things are normal. Surely he can make more than a 2 way contract.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in The "crap on Trump" thread:
Herman Cain died after the Tulsa campaign rally, Covid. He was right in the middle of it, no mask. I guess that's what you are asking.
But his zombie twitter account lives on
https://slate.com/technology/2020/08/herman-cain-death-twitter.html ↗
@Texas-Hawk-10 I hated him with a passion. That's probably the sign of a good coach. At least a successful one. Right behind K and Boeheim. More than Thad Matta and Calipari. RIP, Lute. The game was better with you and your evil dojo in it.
@BShark hmmmm
@jayhawkblue73 so my problem is not with the police it's with the policies and procedures around hiring, training and policing. I think it's important to separate that and realize nobody is talking crap about your brother. Surely he can tell you stories where he felt the force could have had better procedures that would have prevented escalation of a situation.
@jayhawkblue73 ok, I get that police deal with some bad stuff and it hardens them and they're trying to protect themselves, and people don't always see the good that police do. Same with any job in that respect. You dont know what any random person does at their work. But if they showed up on your street and shot someone, that would be your impression of them. And people tend to talk about people shooting people. We know that.
How crazy does the tape look? Take away the uniforms and who looks like the aggressor on the tape? It isn't about the times the cops do the right thing, its about the times the cops do the wrong thing. That's what we need to solve. These guys in the video might have done all the right things, talking to kids, helping old ladies cross roads, whatever, and then shot Blake and we would still be solving for why they shot Blake.
@nuleafjhawk lol
@kjayhawks you're assuming he was going to draw a knife and that the police made the same assumption.
Assumption = assumption.
As for my not being a police officer, well that title means different things to different people. They certainly weren't "officers of the peace" in this situation. They looked more like dangerous predators in a certain light. You're assuming that everyone should respect the badge. Would you respect it if you saw your dad get shot point blank in the back 7 times?
@nuleafjhawk what about wit wiz?