@JayHawkFanToo this is some sort of voodoo witchcraft. You've managed to find a Fox News story posted on MSN.
How about this...
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/1-person-hospitalized-in-titusville-shooting-police-say ↗
...coverage that doesn't start with a young attractive blonde woman, then transition to a huge subtitle "GOOD GUY WITH A GUN STOPS PARK SHOOTING"
It is disturbing that you guys willingly subject yourself to this brainwashing.
@HighEliteMajor you really need to get off the Fox News. To me, posting links from Fox is like bragging about a cocaine addiction.
Also, do you think it is logical to demand that these athletes tell other black people what to do simply because they are both black? As @justanotherfan pointed out, this comes down to personal safety, not crusading for group ideals as defined by racial collectives.
@HighEliteMajor Are you a coward for not crusading against all the problems within the groups that you identify with or are identified as being a part of? Do you really think these athletes think police crime is the end all and be all of problems with black people facing violence in this country? I do not. I feel like we are talking about the perspectives of people that we don't know, as spoon fed to us by spin media encouraging us to dismiss them and see them in 2 dimensions.
@HighEliteMajor to quote Stephen Colbert, "reality has a well-known liberal bias".
I think Dixon's building something great in Fort Worth. Also thought Boynton had Ok St playing at a high level for what he had last year. I get the feeling that Lon is over the hill. Prohm seems like he is going in the wrong direction with his own recruits. Weber is fine with X's and O's but a train wreck managing personalities. Drew is a helluva recruiter, whicn makes up for being a X's and O's featherweight.
By Dr. Seuss From The Sneetches and Other Stories Copyright 1961 by Theodor S. and Audry S. Geisel:
One day, making tracks In the prairie of Prax,
Came a North-Going Zax And a South-Going Zax.
And it happened that both of them came to a place
Where they bumped. There they stood.
Foot to foot. Face to face.
“Look here, now!” the North-Going Zax said, “I say!
You are blocking my path. You are right in my way.
I’m a North-Going Zax and I always go north.
Get out of my way, now, and let me go forth!”
“Who’s in whose way?” snapped the South-Going Zax.
“I always go south, making south-going tracks.
So you’re in MY way! And I ask you to move
And let me go south in my south-going groove.”
Then the North-Going Zax puffed his chest up with pride.
“I never,” he said, “take a step to one side.
And I’ll prove to you that I won’t change my ways
If I have to keep standing here fifty-nine days!”
“And I’ll prove to YOU,” yelled the South-Going Zax,
“That I can stand here in the prairie of Prax
for fifty-nine years! For I live by a rule
That I learned as a boy back in South-Going School.
Never budge! That’s my rule.
Never budge in the least!
Not an inch to the west!
Not an inch to the east!
I’ll stay here, not budging!
I can and I will
If it makes you and me
and the whole world stand still!”
Well...Of course the world didn’t stand still. The world grew.
In a couple of years, the new highway came through
And they built it right over those two stubborn Zax
And left them there, standing un-budged in their tracks.
@JayHawkFanToo I read the link you posted, and i think we can agree that systemic crime is a complicated thing, with many causes, and needs to be addressed from many angles. Certainly law enforcement needs to be a friend to the people and not positioned oppositionally, and that is why the charity work these athletes do can't be understated. But it isnt everything.
This isn't just about police violence against black people. It's about profiling, and assumption of guilt, and about black Americans feeling safe.
Malcolm Jenkins, on why he raised his fist instead of kneeling:
"The reason I don't kneel is not because I think it's disrespectful. It's because I think it's misunderstood," Jenkins said. "I want my demonstration to be effective and received. I think whatever that is is going to be to the individual, but everybody's saying the same thing: We need change. We want to be that vehicle to change our communities, and we need to use the platform that we have to do that. So, hopefully, people can begin to listen to some of those issues."
What's so wrong about that? What does it say that people feel the need to break this mentality down and make it stop?
@JayHawkFanToo I think where there seems a disconnect is that you aren't acknowledging that the charity work these players are doing is in many ways directly attempting to address the problem of relationships between the black community and police. For example, this one from @justanotherfan s list:
http://themalcolmjenkinsfoundation.org/tag/community-service/ ↗
They are clearly trying to make a difference through channels they believe make a difference.
@JayHawkFanToo What about the one entitled "Anquan Boldin and Malcolm Jenkins speak at congressional forum on community-police relations. For the second time in six months, NFL players visit Capitol Hill to push for change"
That sounds like doing something off the field to me.
@JayHawkFanToo thats why he posted links to storied about the "more vocal protesters" doing things...
@HighEliteMajor said:
Guys like Lebron get to talk because they have a microphone in their face. They never debate, they never get challenged. That’s how the left operates best. No debate or discussion.
Isn't that exactly what you are doing here? Every post you've made has been a declaration with no acknowledgement of anyone's response.
There's no 2008 comp for Lightfoot.
Russell Moore
Sherron Dotson
Mario Grimes
Brandon Vick
Darrell Lawson
Darnell Garrett
Sasha Azubuike
Matt McCormack
Cole DeSouza
Rodrick Lawson
Tyrell Agbaji
Brady Luinstra
Conner Lightfoot
Jeremy Elliot
We've sat on this version of the board for a while now, and I had planned to upgrade during the slower Summer months. We've been pretty active so it's kind of slipped a while.
Just wanted to give you guys a heads up. It is on my radar and one of these weekends sooner rather than later I will upgrade.
I want to continue to point out that it is not the people that are the problem here, as I see it. An emotional response as a police officer to people protesting the acts of police officers makes sense. It is the media encouraging the perpetuation of single-threaded thoughts on the issue that is a big problem, keeping people from more nuanced stances, compromise and understanding.
@Kcmatt7 they are intolerant of peaceful protest.
@Woodrow resolving a conflict like this takes acknowledgement that there is an issue, communication and collaboration.
Again, saying "these people protest specific acts of police violence, therefore they hate all cops and I need to be offended!" Is not the right conclusion but you will never hear Fox News make that distinction.
@dylans hmm. Mine uploaded ok. Maybe clear cookies for site, or sign out, sign in?
@Kcmatt7 the two groups are not acting the same.
Group A - Players
Interpreting honoring national anthem with "hand over breast" as an acceptance of injustices in our culture, and making slight variation in how they honor national anthem to signify that police brutality toward black people is not acceptable.
Group B - Insulted People
Interpreting honoring national anthem with "hand over breast" as a salute to our military, and any variation in how it is honored as a grievous insult to their values.
Group B (Insulted People) is reacting to Group A (Players) here. They are being encouraged to react in an intolerant manner... ARE acting in an intolerant manner.
Conversely, based upon what their cause is, the case that Group A (Players) is intolerant is if you think that they aren't being tolerant enough of police crimes against black people.
@dylans try again?
@dylans ok, let me try to reboot the board for starters. one sec.
@Kcmatt7 I'm sure he'd be pissed given his background but I would hope he'd get over it and find resolution if not for Fox galvanizing and encouraging intolerance. On the other side, the players probably would have felt heard with a President inviting them to the White House to talk or whatever and would have desisted by now.
These guys are not letting divisions heal, they're pouring salt in wounds.
@Kcmatt7 Your dad's interpretation of the playing of the national anthem differs from the interpretation of the players. Let me ask a direct question. Does your Dad watch Fox News and support Trump?
I ask because I think if it weren't for the spin artists stoking the fire here and galvanizing voter groups into a single voting block, the story would be "hey, the players have an issue with standing, but they say they have nothing but respect for the troops". That story is drowned out by the my-way-or-the-highway "NO! THE NATIONAL ANTHEM CAN ONLY MEAN ONE THING! THEY SHOULD ALL LEAVE THIS COUNTRY!" logic.
More than one perspective can be valid. It is, at the end of the day, an opinion of what the National Anthem means, nothing more.
You say the fans can be pissed off if they want to be. I believe they don't want to be pissed off. Nobody wants to be angry all the time. It's the noise they listen to that is making them mad and intolerant of other perspectives.
@HighEliteMajor CNN actually gave Trump some credit for the economy. I know this story is kind of a flavorless acquiescence and might be necessary to smooth out the consistency of their liberal brand of stew, but i found it relevant to your criticism that MSM does not give Trump credit.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/27/politics/donald-trump-economy-trade-gdp-growth-credit/index.html ↗
I suggest you guys watch the movie Gladiator (again?). This isn't remotely similar to what a receptionist does at a small business.
Again with the hypocritical word. Our president can't stop spewing late night contradictory messages on Twitter. Would anyone argue that this is the fully endorsed proper channel for a President? Clearly our age embraces freedom of expression in unconventional channels.
@HighEliteMajor do you make your employees stand and stare at a flag while the national anthem plays and you film them and stream it on YouTube?
I will guess that the product in your case is not the employees. In the case of the NFL the product IS the players.
This really speaks to the disconnect with some fans not recognizing that. They want what the player can do but not who the player is.
Frankly who cares if the players want to kneel? The resistance in this case imo is not the players. The resistance is the fans who want to piss and moan about something minor and the demagogues that take up the pitchfork and megaphone and stoke the fire, because they know it will make Fox news viewers fall in line.
@Kcmatt7 I don't disagree with holding countries responsible for meeting their agreed upon spending in NATO but I don't know if there was ever a discussion of pace to meet the 2% by 2024 that was already agreed upon before Trump. Was there? And suggesting that we may not come to military aid of a Nation that isn't paid up is not the right way to do it. Global interdependence and security is important. I frankly don't want a free wheeling gambler as President. I don't want to cast doubt on our alliances and our global positions.
@jaybate-1.0 Doesn't smearing the smearer perpetuate the smear?
I'd love to hear you weigh in on the issues brought up, other than pills and fecal matter (I didn't see the original @DanR. Sounds like it got walked back successfully. The luxuries of anonymity!)
@HighEliteMajor I think as the United States abandons trade partners they will just trade with someone else. That's not winning.
The European Union finalized the largest trade agreement in its history earlier this month. The deal with Japan covers nearly a third of the global economy and creates one of the largest free trade areas in the world.
The $12 billion bailout of American farmers getting hit by fallout from the trade wars isn't winning.
Sen. Ben Sasse, a Republican from Nebraska, was highly critical of the plan in an interview with CBS News. "At no point have I heard a farmer or rancher say we want more bailouts. We want more welfare," said Sasse. "What they want is less trade war. There's no ambiguity about this from the producers in my state."
Sasse called trade wars "stupid," and said the president misunderstands the economic forces at play.
"The president often talks as if governments are at the center of this transaction. They aren't. And American families and American producers would like governments to get out of the way so they can buy and sell the stuff they want and so that our farmers and ranchers can feed the world," he said. "The president's tone regularly suggests somehow that the government has created this bounty. It's not true. Workers have created this bounty and governments are the ones messing it up."
Digging into Trump's policies does not seem to illuminate a hidden, misunderstood brilliance that the mainstream media neglects. It usually does the opposite for me. The more I learn, the more it is apparent that Trump is a bullshit artist, and in reality isn't getting much useful done, but creating plenty of chaos everywhere, and taking credit for grandiose interpretations of his actions.
@DanR I think this is his dumping grounds and I respect that. It's what this forum is here for. let's talk.
@HighEliteMajor Regarding the first post from Fox News, you've quoted an editorial that was hand-selected with the intent of enraging you and strengthening your biases and generalizations. This isn't a representative sample of anything. What does it prove, other than that Anne Hathaway, as seen through the lens of Fox News, has half-baked opinions about social issues? What did you expect?
Would a pacifist choose to watch MMA? No. So why would you read that gutter rag? Seems equally counterintuitive and masochistic.
I like your second story a lot better, it has some meat to it, and is more representative of your actual thought process and not just an emotional response to a stimulus.
I was thinking this morning about the Senate Foreign Relations committee, led by Republicans, getting visibly irritated with Pompeo. He basically told them that the things Trump says aren't policy, and that we should look entirely at what this administration is doing as their actual policy.
I thought about that... Do words matter? Are words policy? And I decided, yes, yes they are. What you say as President of the United States is policy unto itself, because it shapes the court of public opinion, and what is socially acceptable and what isn't.
And maybe, why I get angry at Trump is similar to why you get angry with Anne Hathaway in that respect. Both are running their mouths. Both stand on a platform that has an audience. The difference is, one is an actress and the other is President of the United States.
@jayballer73 Sorry to hear. This is terrible. Do you know who will take care of the kids?
Royals traded a pitching prospect for Brian Goodwin today. I'll miss B Good. Good kid.
Correct!
Putin has slammed American critics of the President as "pathetic, worthless people", which is supposedly a reference to a quote by the authors of this book:
Or the txt which is better for cutting and pasting.
https://archive.org/stream/in.ernet.dli.2015.211266/2015.211266.Little-Golden_djvu.txt ↗
This is Little Golden America, a memoir from two Soviet satirists from their road trip across the United States, and supposedly is very well known to most Russians. I am very curious to examine a seminal Russian work on American culture, and hope to have time to read some of it. I thought I'd share the full text here if anyone is interested as well.
@DoubleDD I don't think its necessary. I think the facts will be presented soon enough.
I appreciated this quote from Machado. Classy.
Knowing it was likely the last time he would wear an Orioles uniform, Machado said his emotions were "Amazing. Through the roof. It was a tremendous honor to wear this uniform. They gave me the opportunity to come up and play in the big leagues. That's everyone's dream, and they gave me that. They gave me the opportunity to play shortstop again. The organization has done everything, so if this is the last time, hopefully I treated them well and did everything I can for the organization."
@DoubleDD I am judging President Trump and his summit with Putin on the merits, and believe that it is likely we are witnessing the actions of a compromised asset, and that the Steele Dossier may have been truthful in saying that the Kremlin has been cultivating Trump for a long time, and that his sealed tax returns could reveal money laundering to Russia via real estate.
Do not mistake me for a democrat. I'm a rational humanist. And I am a globalist and a patriot.
I see Donald Trump as a threat to our democracy, and the deterioration of our alliances as a threat to all humanity.
So I frankly don't give much weight to whether one party deserves something because the other party got to do something. That sort of schoolyard psychology does not really apply. Every situation should be evaluated on it’s own merits and context, and we should be attempting to do the right thing, always.
@bskeet hypocrisy is a term that I think gets overused. You can't say "we did x to group A so 20 years later x happening to us as perpetrated by group B is somehow more ok and if we object we are hypocrites." Every situation should be evaluated on it's own merits and context ideally.
We do not need to try to find an equilibrium of the opinions being offered by elected officials. If you want to find balance find center. True center, and stick to it. Not new center. Not somewhere where Russian meddling and Trump denial is in any way acceptable.
@jaybate-1.0 I think it appeals to some reflexive desire for balance and equity when there is none. A defense mechanism, call it Stockholm syndrome syndrome, or "how the Republicans have managed to retain low income voters". Especially in a largely populated world where ones apparent reach seems inconsequential, your choices are to change your reality, something you believe to be impossible, or to change your perception, something that can happen with much less personal effort.
@DoubleDD It's astonishing and deeply depressed that Americans can be programmed to sympathize with Vladimir Putin over the law enforcement of their own country and yet here we are. It is a blue print for future abuse.
Wow dude! Glad you and dog are ok.
If this isn't the biggest pile of BS ever...
@DoubleDD Putin's terms were for Russia to be allowed to interrogate Mueller's team. It is rediculous that you would even consider that as a viable proposal.
There is nothing comical about this situation.
Re: FBI Brass, What do you see and are you going with your gut?
This isn't about Hillary.
Yes Obama said he had more freedom in his second term to negotiate. Is that a surprise? Isn't that always the case with politicians?
Your fact about Uranium is bogus. A company had ownership change, there is no evidence that Uranium went to Russia.
@JayHawkFanToo I wouldn't be surprised seeing a rotation that deep, based upon talent, if Self is open minded to it. Mitch, McCormack, and Agbaji are probably our 10/11/12 guys.