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@FarmerJayhawk I totally agree and think that has always been somewhat true. I do think Mitch has pushed us further in that direction. He is well known for drudging up old procedural precedents to suit his current agenda. He's not the only one and it's definitely on both sides, but I do think he is one of the biggest abusers of such arguments.

Oof... https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/health/social-distancing-research-coronavirus-2022-trnd/index.html ↗

@kjayhawks I think the big problem is when politicians think more about getting elected/re-elected than honestly evaluating what’s they think and feel and then try to do the right thing. The media does have some culpability there as if someone does something the first evaluation is how will it affect the next election. If someone changes their mind they are a flip flopper and on and on it goes. Same problem with the dem primary. Too many people focused on beating trump instead of voting for the candidate they truly think is best.

This is long but good on this topic of what comes next:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-summer-coronavirus-reopening-back-normal/609940/ ↗

Here’s more along those same lines. I think this story does a good job breaking down failures and successes based on promises made by the administration in March. https://www.npr.org/2020/04/13/832797592/a-month-after-emergency-declaration-trumps-promises-largely-unfulfilled ↗

@BShark nor this: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/09/media/pence-office-tv-bookings-coronavirus/index.html ↗

@approxinfinity I’m also not trying to argue the right or wrong of it but I think leaving it to states would just increase inequity from state to state. A person could be charged for murder in one state for a service a doctor can provide in another. Just doesn’t make sense to me that way. As far as I know birth certificates are dolled out at birth making that the point of personhood. Has this been different at any point in history? I honestly don’t know.

@approxinfinity said in The democratic nominee:

Roe v Wade is completely a religious issue @benshawks08. Once it became precedent in a SCOTUS case (thanks to ambitious feminist lawyers pushing it), it was Pandoras Box, we were never going back. The Republicans aligned with the Evangelicals and began their crusade to get it overturned.

It is very much NOT a religious issue. I think that’s all I will say on that as it could open it’s own Pandora’s box.

@approxinfinity I’m a little confused what your saying about separation of church and state and Jefferson and roe v wade.

@mayjay Maybe instead of “makes sense” I should have said “makes more sense.” My attempt was a mess!

@mayjay Thank you for saying what I meant to say and in a way that makes sense.

@BShark said in The democratic nominee:

We obviously can't see it happen but I believe that whether Biden or Trump wins, the next four years will play out exactly the same.

This about sums it up

Two privately owned political parties choose two candidates with nearly identical policies and then voters try to guess which will be slightly less shitty. Both parties hold primary votes, but neither is under any legal obligation to uphold the results if they want to go with someone else. There's no preferential voting, the system is designed to give a third party candidate the longest odds possible. They use easily rigged electronic voting machines. The political and capitalist classes hold near complete control over mass media and have no reservations about lying or burying stories they don't like. On top of all of that, there is quite a lot of outright fraud in manufacturing fake votes and suppressing or destroying legitimate ones.

So I guess I'm just getting more and more disillusioned with the process and THE SHOW.

Not sure about the voter fraud stuff as most of what I've read indicates reports of fraud are generally overblown. The two party system definitely has it's limitations and I'm not really sure what it's great benefits are either (maybe someone could enlighten me here).

I'd argue the bigger problem is voter suppression/voting accessibility. Seems to me the idea of democracy should be to get as many people to vote as possible yet many find it necessary to make it more difficult and put up more barriers because they know the more people that vote, the less likely they win.

@nuleafjhawk I would say in normal times, your body is fighting off all kinds of stuff on the regular, but clearly some of our bodies have no defense for this thing, while others seem to do quite well, even asymptomatic. But even if your body may handle the virus without a problem, disinfecting everything in sight will prevent this particularly dangerous bug from spreading around.

@jayballer73 Right on. We may not agree all the time, but the "my guy/gal didn't win the nomination so now I won't vote for president" is a stance I just can't agree with. I know your stance on Biden but for me he is no savior but will at least "lead" and represent the country better than Trump. Just my opinion (which of course I think is definitely the right one).

@BShark Biden is not ideal by any stretch but surely he's a few tics better than the alternative.

@nuleafjhawk My non-scientist understanding of vaccines for viruses is about preparing your body to fight the virus on its own. I think the problem with some viruses is that they duplicate and spread significantly before the body recognizes it and elevates its defenses which is why docs say "just go home and fight through it" as the symptoms you display to actually go to the doctor are your body activating and fighting the virus. So a vaccine's job is to get your immune system fighting something similar to the virus without overwhelming the body so that when you encounter the real virus your body acts quick enough to keep it from getting bad. Pretty sure that's why they say flu vaccines may not prevent you from getting the flu (there are too many mutations of the common flu at this point to prevent them all) but will likely lessen your symptoms. As you may be able to tell from this convoluted "explanation" I am not 100% my understanding is correct.

This paragraph pretty much sums it up:
“ Trump's daily jousts with the media recreate the adversarial dynamic of his 2016 campaign and much of his earlier presidency and invite his supporters to adopt his narrative of events rather than fact-based critiques of his conduct. This has been a successful device in the past to cement the anti-establishment President with his followers.”

Full opinion piece here:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html ↗

@DoubleDD Interesting. I do agree there is a bit of inevitability in my opinion to the spread of this thing but find it interesting that you say the analysis WILL BE about how he gets it under control. What he’s doing or not doing from January to right now is that work. From my perspective that’s the stuff @approxinfinity is pointing out but I guess you see it differently. It will never cease to amaze me the capability humans have for looking at the same facts and evidence and coming to totally opposite conclusions.

I personally, don’t buy the impeachment defense as a. Trump wasn’t really participating much with that anyway and b. A president has to be able to handle multiple issues at the same time. Most of my opinion has been formed from watching the press briefings as I feel like it’s tough for any media to spin direct quotes with full context. And those briefings have been a mess, unfortunately with mixed messages, disagreeing with medical experts, and tossing out overly ambitious time lines. Obviously that’s my perspective and yours is different and that’s fine I guess but I do feel at some point facts are facts and a smart person would admit they were wrong. Maybe I’m the dummy holding onto my opinion but it doesn’t feel like it.

@DoubleDD Serious question: is your stance that nothing Trump has done or could have done would have had any effect on the spread of the virus?

Back to the title of this thread: Fact or opinion? Use of Trump’s miracle drug?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/peter-navarro-social-scientist-cnntv/index.html ↗

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@Crimsonorblue22 It was all left up to individual districts here until yesterday. Some districts were still open but pretty much all the big city districts had closed.

@Crimsonorblue22 Yeah we are a bit slow down here. He did it this afternoon. Technically my district had only closed until April 13th so I guess this is an improvement?

Gov of Texas just shut down schools until May 4th. Don’t think that’ll be long enough.

Some good stuff here if anyone is a fan of the office, John Krasinski doing a show from his house called "Some Good News"

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

Wow didn’t know we are taking this to a personal level? I guess it’s par for the course. Sure I think woman should be able to come forth, and demand justice. Just don’t think we should swing the pendulum so far that another person is presumed guilty until proven innocent. The Cavanaugh trials was a big sham of justice there ever was.

If you took the same parameters and evidence and witnesses that were in the Cavanaugh hearings and apply them to an average person in the streets? That case never sees the light of day in a courthouse.

That is politics trying to subvert the constitution and the rights of the people.

Yep. Bringing up sexual assault out of nowhere brought it to the personal level for me. CAVANAUGH IS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!! If that’s the sham of justice you are talking about than I agree.

@BShark Seems like certain people tend to take it off the rails on the regular by bringing up random inflammatory takes because they don’t have a real response or independently thought out opinion. For someone who wants to “be free” @DoubleDD could use a little freeing of the mind from alt right talking points.

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@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html ↗

Article about how Cuomo has a very different understanding of reality than Trump in terms of New Yorks need for ventillators.

I did a little research on Cuomo. Why was NY so unprepared for the spread of the coronavirus?

1. It is one of the largest cities in the world

2. Cuomo is Huge on open borders. Come one come all. No need to Look into ones past. Where they come from and so on.

3. He’s screaming for financial reparations for NY as it has been hit the hardest.

4. Now he wants to put coronavirus victims in retired or old folks homes.

5. At one point NY officials were rejecting ventilators from the federal government.

I don’t know? Thinking some of this is self inflicted. Crazy as it seems the hardest hit states and cities in America are the ones that believe in open borders, and are sanctuary cities.

New York is way ahead in numbers because of population, population density, and testing per capita. They also might be ahead of the curve for the rest of the country because they have more international travel than just about any place in the world. Undocumented people have absolutely nothing to do with the spread of the pandemic in New York.

“Self inflicted,” please. By that logic the whole country is self inflicted if you were to list out trumps inactions. But should the federal government do as Trump said and just “not call” those governors who “aren’t nice” to him?

@Crimsonorblue22 It’s amazing how often those who have dealt with real adversity are the quickest to put others before themselves. Always liked Ben. Good name too.

@DoubleDD A. No they don’t. B. You ever tried to file for government assistance? C. She had to deal with a lot more than him for even coming forward. Three out of every four sexual assaults go u reported. Wonder why that is if as you say the guy is guilty till proven innocent? Bret wasn’t proven innocent nor was the president, yet they hold two of the highest offices in the country

@BShark Oh me neither. I just know I saw the same report you did about the phones and then another response questioning what that really shows. Made me stop and think...

@BShark Yeah but how much of that is financial strain? Like an Uber driver might have 2 phones or if they drive lyft as well, maybe even 3. I've even read about certain drivers having multiple lines to drive up pricing somehow (don't remember how that worked). But if I'm locked down, the first thing I would do would be to drop those extra phones that aren't doing me any good anymore. Now, do I believe China's numbers are "accurate," of course not. But tbh no ones numbers are accurate as every country seems to have different criteria for getting tested. For a long time in the U.S. it was "displaying symptoms, AND known contact with someone who had tested positive." That was still the case well into March but has changed now.

@FarmerJayhawk I think it’s more the valuing of money and corporations over people than government. Now government has certainly had a something to do with shifting those values. And yes, conservatives and neoliberals are both to blame. But public schools, welfare, and civil rights aren’t the problem.

@Crimsonorblue22 Yep. Just Texas I’m pretty sure. Was a solid dillons customer growing up in Wichita but H-E-B quickly won me over here I. Texas. They hire a ton of my students, pay them well, give them opportunities to move up, help them pay for school, take care of their employees with longevity discounts on groceries for life after 5 years, donated tons (literally) of water to austin schools when city had a boil water order, just donated $100,000 dollars to help feed austin isd students during this pandemic, and just always seem to do the right thing. Unfortunately, can’t count on all businesses to be run that way.

@FarmerJayhawk Well I will agree big government doesn’t work when it’s filled with and led by folks trying to break it as it is now.

Edit: I was also talking more as a society and less about politics with the individual vs collective stuff.

Now for some folks who are really making it work here’s an awesome piece for Texas monthly about the best grocery store chain in Texas.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/food/heb-prepared-coronavirus-pandemic/ ↗

@DoubleDD To me it’s all down to how you balance the needs of an individual with the needs of the community. Collectivism v individualism. Neither can exist without the other and if you stray to far to either side the whole system collapses. I personally believe American society places too much emphasis on the wants of the individual and has in many cases ignored the needs of the collective.

At some point for me, if someone is to be a good person, they have to put the needs of others first. But these days if that happens people just seem to argue about if it’s fair or not or why don’t I get that or I never needed that so why should anyone else or my favorite what about when that person in the past did this or that.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@approxinfinity said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD He's been solid, I agree.

I'm assuming if he were to run for President, the Fox News hit-job would smear him to the point you'd be getting a negative impression. So if you like the guy now, by hearing directly from him, if he does have a future in higher office, don't forget to hear it straight from his mouth then as well :)

Hey if you’re going to get in the ring then one must except to be smeared. I’m not sure I could vote him. As I’m pretty sure he’s a big backer of the Paris climate accord. I’ll have todo some homework on that one. Im all for helping the environment but not if we Americans are picking up the bill while China, and India get to continue to pollute.

You know what they say, everything said before the but doesn't really matter. I guess if we can't get an uncooperative authoritarian government in on a deal, why even bother.

@FarmerJayhawk The goal is to get people to stay home and provide much needed financial assistance in a crisis. Who needs that more, people with money and jobs? Or people without money and jobs?

Pretty sure everyone is going to want to go back to work after this shelter in place, social distancing is over. I’m admittedly a homebody and I’m already stir crazy! Maybe if I spent less time fighting on the internet....

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Still don’t understand why people dismiss this guy as “crazy Bernie” seems like he’s pretty focused on helping working class folks. Doesn’t really matter to him if they are R or D or if they vote or not.

@jayballer73 Whew! Glad to hear it came out ok.

@DoubleDD Tell me more about that. I don’t think I’m following.

@FarmerJayhawk What I saw said "maintain payroll as possible" leaving lots of ambiguity on what that would mean.

@FarmerJayhawk Gotta have some stipulation for businesses keeping employees paid, right? Otherwise what is the bill doing? This is such a mess.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 ty you for being civil. It’s really refreshing

Is this for real or ironic. Not trying to start stuff. Just really can’t tell! Civility isn’t always my strong suit.

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Both parties still pulling this crap. Just get it done!

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol

Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.

Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?

The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?

What are you even talking about here?

Trump is hanging his hat on French scientists cure or curb of the coronavirus.

Hadn’t heard about that. Have heard there’s a scientist in Singapore who has developed a yes that can tell if you’ve EVER had covid-19. Likely to be able to tell up to 20 years later if you ever got it. Not so helps right now but could be going forward as we try to track how this thing got so out of control.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol

Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.

Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?

The hope is coming from old tested science. Are we to reject science?

What are you even talking about here?

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@DoubleDD President of South Korea. Has done a better job handling the coronavirus.

So you are comparing a small state to the third largest population in the world? See the problem

How did that small state produce so many more tests than us? We still haven’t caught up to them in testing numbers.

No.

@DoubleDD said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:

@jayballer73 There’s a difference between being united and having blind faith. Voicing frustration does not mean we aren’t united. You proved how to do that yourself. You voiced your problem with what someone said while maintaining your connection through basketball. Unity is good but doesn’t absolve someone from bad leadership.

Pretty good game on Cbs right now! Rock chalk.

ROCK CHALK IS RIGHT. SEE? were United there and for sure not blind faith lol

Who is asking for blind faith. But hope? Why not? No let’s tell every American you screwed. Then let’s see what happens? You have guns? Because you’ll need them if you you say that to the American people.

Hope is good but doesn’t have to be fabricated or based on false numbers or lies. That’s my biggest problem. How can we believe anything Trump says at this point?