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HighEliteMajor said:

@Kcmatt7 You said, "Players add value, and I cannot find one major reason why we should keep them from capturing it."

One MAJOR reason - The players don't own the NCAA or the colleges. That's about as major as it gets. The same reason I can't come and sleep in your house -- you OWN it. But that doesn't matter to you or others. You ignore the obvious, most important consideration in our economy. OWNERS MAKE RULES ON PRODUCTS THEY OWN. It doesn't matter that the players don't OWN the product to you. Your mindset continues to be, take what others have created. It's the same mindset of those wanting to pay McDonald's employees $15 an hour when anyone can do the job (ignoring the market value of the services). But more importantly, you and others (on a certain side of the political isle) devalue ownership of business, risk, investment, creation of product, etc. It's as if because it has been created, it should be shared. Why is this continually ignored by posters? Because it is an undeniable yet inconvenient truth. Or, more easy, because life is unfair.

The market value of the players' services is evidenced by no market for the players' services that is better than what the NCAA/Colleges own (other than what we see -- overseas, sub-leagues, etc.).

Folks won't pay for inferior products that EXCEPT because of the ties to the schools I've mentioned.

It's pretty obvious. You use the Kleinmann example. Right. If I were an autograph seeker, and I'm not, but I'd rather have Sherron Collins than Klienmann. This position of yours and others is related to making a major shift in rules nearly exclusively for those top tier guys. And, further, ignoring all the other sports -- golf, tennis, rowing, etc. No one wants anything from them. So it's the top tier.

You point to Alabama vs. KU. Ok, great. You take the top Power 5 program vs. perhaps a bottom 5 program. But how many other schools pack their stadiums regardless of product? But the macro product is not what I'm focused on.

The interchangeability is related to that particular school. Sure, I agree. Bama's overall group of players are better than KU's. And they add value to Bama vs. KU. Conceded.

But my point is that regardless of the individual identity of the player in the helmet, folks support the team. Now, that player has to be good or comparable, but assuming that fact, as we've seen at KU, we support them regardless of their identity BECAUSE they are a Jayhawk. This is really undeniable. As mentioned, Collins, TT, Tharpe, EJ, etc. Didn't matter. (Yes, even Tharpe). That's different than the overall product you cite. I'm focusing on this individual value, individual likeness stuff.

Another irrefutable point -- the players' individual likeness has little value without the benefit of that university connection. This is in direct contrast to other minor leagues. Those teams don't create marketing value for the player to any real extent.

*Of course, the free market argument can be used to claim that schools should just bid on players, that such an arrangement is truly "free market." That's an entirely different animal and different debate. That's professional sports to a certain degree (though even leagues like MLB where it's free bidding, no cap, there are major rules as to when a team's control of a player would end). There are legal arguments that could be made (they have been tried). But the NCAA model stands. It is an entity that can make its own rules for participation -- much like McDonalds. Professional sports (NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL) owners, as a group, can make their own rules. The NCAA, though slightly different, is in the same boat. The NCAA can make their own rules for participation.

And the NCAA doesn't own the players - - that would be called slavery. - -if you think the NCAA OWNS these kids - - I feel sorry for you - -people owning people? - - those days are long gone - - Thank GOD. - Again why should it be the privlege of the NCAA to make money off these kids and not Kids be able to make money to live? -Again just like anyone else this is a job to these kids - - or a future job - -last time I checked people get paid to work/jobs - these kids should be no different.

every time they step on the court they are interviewing for their upcoming life/job - -they don't produce/ they don't make the big stage - - - more on the line then just a game for them. - -

These kids entertain us when they play , you tell me where else can you go watch a event and not have to pay to watch entertainment? - - Movies?/NOPE - - Play Golf/Nope Racing Event/ NOPE ? Baseball ?/NOPE - - Football? ? NOPE - -there is not any place you can go to watch entertainment - -that's exactly what these kids are doing for us - - entertaining - so dam straight they should be paid - - You would have to pay to watch those same kids later if/when they make the NBA -- this to them is a job just like any other Red Blooded American - whether you want to believe that or not - -you don't want to then - -Not my Rodeo -- Not my cowboy -just takes longer for some to grasp it that's all pretty simple.

You bring up people and mind sets of like wanting to pay McDonalds employees 15 dollars an hour when anyone can do that ignoring market value - -well I can't specifically speak for McDonald employees BUT I can speak for where I DID WORK same situation there.

I work in a huge food production plant - - - worked there for 10 yrs and then fell to disability because of my back - - this job had lot to do with my disability - -real shit job, but with my situation at the time took what I could get. - -started out there at 8.00 per hour - -and just like the other employees didn't get squat - -lots of time through out the year had to work loads of overtime worked 24/7 shifts a lot- -finally right about the or my end worked as a MACHINE OPERATOR and still finally hit 10.00 per hour after 10 fricken years - -Now since I've been gone after years and years of employee complaints this factory raised their wages more standard up to date - - ya anyone pretty much could do our job too - but they wouldn't because of wage. Are you saying that market value of jobs like I know dam well even though as you say ANYONE could do the work - -umm my market value was a lot more then the pay.

Now can you tell me - -can ANYONE do what these kids do? - - Not hardly sure you can dribble a ball maybe make a basket - but dam well know your skills is no where close to these guys - that's why they are working towards their future as a NBA player entertain - -again IT'S A JOB - just also happens to be something they like to do - -AND ? - -there is no way the NCAA should be profiting of these kids entertainment - -just like anyone else that preforms for people - -they should be getting SOME KIND of money PERIOD

HighEliteMajor said:

jayballer73 said:

Interesting Article. - - Rep Ward states that Kansas has been a state that normally defers with for the better or worse with the NCAA.

THAT'S the problem . People been deferring to these fricken idiots way to long -- It's time for Universities to stand up to these morons - -act like you got a pair - Enough is enough.

Why shouldn't these kids get paid SOMETHING - -like the article states - -it's very unfair the way things are right now - the amount of money these other people make off these kids when they are playing ball. - -It also says about Coach's being able to make money off endorsements - -just not right.- - Ward talks and says the NCAA is about 10 years behind the learning curve - -totally agree - - wake up idiots - it's 2019 NOT 1929.

I can totally see why Kansas wouldn't adopt this , agree to this - - THIS State never likes change - -just totally lost on a lot of things - -like he says he would need 61 votes of support from the House and 21 from the Senate. - - That's not happening - - not in this State - -let's just keep deferring , ya that's the answer - -just Unreal.

I agree with Les , with California passing this it's going to make a very uneven playing/recruiting field till somebody does Something. - -The NCAA has reached it's limit - it's time to finally let them know - -you know what - - enough is enough

So, just because the NCAA makes money off the kids and you think it is unfair, we should change the rules? I know, I know, other's have money, make money, earn money, create, and it's unfair if others can't take it. I get it. Workers of the world unite.

So you refer to those that oppose the bill as "morons" and "idiots." Cool.

Yep you got it - -glad you caught on - -dam straight The NCAA making money off these kids - -these kids should make money of the NCAA - - quick catch - -good looking out I'm glad you get it

I couldn't agree more then with California for what they are doing. - It's about time, no one is saying paying these kids any kind of insane amount is what it's about , but why shouldn't they be paid SOMETHING? - No I don't want to hear any lame excuse WELL they're getting a free ride - -take that somewhere else, your not convincing me that a Scholarship comes even remotely close to what the Universities make off these kids - I call Bull shit on that. - so don't go there

Why shouldn't they be paid something? - I mean this is their future , this is a job to them just like all the upper crust zoot suits - -stuffed shirts - those get paid quite nicely for a job - - THIS is these kids future , they are playing for their future/possible job - -every time they step on the court - it's an interview for possible future employment - -it's not all just fun and games for these guys.

They go out they play hard -just like people or most work hard trying to make a living - -these guys are trying to make a living in the future - -Why shouldn't they be paid as it says to earn a wage while they are in School that's fair to the amount of profit that the Universities make of them - - -or again like it says this becomes and equality issue why can't they get something - -some kind of money, Hell your Coach's making their annual Salary and then on top of that goes out and does numerous endorsements and makes even MORE money on top of that - - but that's ok right? - - bullshit - the hell it is. - -California - - - Good for you - -about time someone does something

Interesting Article. - - Rep Ward states that Kansas has been a state that normally defers with for the better or worse with the NCAA.

THAT'S the problem . People been deferring to these fricken idiots way to long -- It's time for Universities to stand up to these morons - -act like you got a pair - Enough is enough.

Why shouldn't these kids get paid SOMETHING - -like the article states - -it's very unfair the way things are right now - the amount of money these other people make off these kids when they are playing ball. - -It also says about Coach's being able to make money off endorsements - -just not right.- - Ward talks and says the NCAA is about 10 years behind the learning curve - -totally agree - - wake up idiots - it's 2019 NOT 1929.

I can totally see why Kansas wouldn't adopt this , agree to this - - THIS State never likes change - -just totally lost on a lot of things - -like he says he would need 61 votes of support from the House and 21 from the Senate. - - That's not happening - - not in this State - -let's just keep deferring , ya that's the answer - -just Unreal.

I agree with Les , with California passing this it's going to make a very uneven playing/recruiting field till somebody does Something. - -The NCAA has reached it's limit - it's time to finally let them know - -you know what - - enough is enough

nuleafjhawk said:

jayballer73 said:

You can’t even put McVittie in for ONE fricken snap when his helmet came off against West Virginia - -put his son in instead.

It doesn't have to be McVittie. It could be the kid selling peanuts. It could be one of the cheerleaders. It could be one of the chain gang guys. Smacker Miles. Me.....

Lol

Texas Hawk 10 said:

When the QB is as bad as Stanley is, it severely limits the options the OC has when it comes to play calling. Because Stanley isn't much of a threat with his arm, teams are loading up to stop the run. With Herbert gone, the RB depth has largely disappeared as well. That freshman had some moments so hopefully he can fill that void Herbert is leaving.

The players Miles has also weren't recruited to play in a more pro style offense that Miles and Koenning prefer. They were recruited for the spread that Beaty ran which we started to see make some strides last year when most of the players fit that system.

It's going to take Miles time to recruit to his preferred offensive system.

Having a good QB can mask many problems, but KU doesn't have that right now so the flaws get exposed much more easily.

Velton Gardner is a pretty good little back . 1st time he touched the ball - -rushed for 11 yards , think you'll see more now IF Herbert is gone - -they had planned on getting him in some , he got us just about as much offense when he entered as we had the entire game and bust that 45 yard run - -made a pretty decent juke move at the end. - If Stanley is as bad as you say -- then that says a hell of a lot just how fricken bad our QB situation is.

You can't even put McVittie in for ONE fricken snap when his helmet came off against West Virginia - -put his son in instead.

Yet all we heard was how close of a battle it was for the starting spot - -finding out just taking the lesser of the two evils - -we got bad ( Stanley ) - -then we have worse(Mc Vittie ) Doesn't really matter who your RB is if your line can't sustain a block create a hole for them to run through - -doesn't help when the defense is stacking the box daring ya to throw

With Gethro visiting here what? - - last weekend? - - -and now we getting CB picks from BOTH Slater & Meyer - -you might be right something might have leaked.

Has offers from Wichita St - - -TCU - - Tulsa - - Tex A & m - - -SMU - - - St Louis - - Rutgers - - -Texas Tech - - -Houston - - -Col St - - -VCU - - -UNLV - - -New Mexico - - -Memphis - - -Conn- - -& Louisiana Tech - - All Schools that offered - -we shall see

BeddieKU23 said:

If we land a recruit in this crapola that's like winning the lottery

that would be fun - - - -never have won any kind of lottery - -no seriously my friend, I hear you 100 % - -but at least might be some hope. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

rockchalkwyo said:

Slater and Meyer both picked gethro for KU today

Oh Dam - - surely not -- could we POSSIBLY be in the hunt for a recruit anyways with all this? - - - -He would be a decent land considering everything going on - -good 3-4 year player - -hopefully we can work with develop - -he has some game - -but can for sure get better - -let's hope maybe he might land. - -ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABU

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Rumors about Khalil Herbert are that he's going to sit out the rest of this season thanks to the redshirt rules that says you can play in four games and still redshirt and then likely be a grad transfer elsewhere after the season.

If that's true, he's going to be one of the most sought after grad transfers this year along with QB D'Eric King from Houston who is sitting out the rest of this year as well.

This is a rule the NCAA is going to have to modify or get rid of in the near future because of its effect on teams midseason.

Would like to know what the hell happened? - - getting lots of time on the field , lots of carries PT - -this is a head scratcher - -they said took the team by surprise for sure - -things that make you go hmmmmmmm, - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

bskeet said:

@jayballer73 Um... how's the debate team doing?

lol - - I wonder if the NCAA could put sanctions on us if we fielded a tiddly winks team? - -or Badminton?

Holy Crap - -is there ANYTHING we can say positive or feel positive about our athletic programs right now? - - Basketball black days ahead - - foot ball - well - - - Volleyball is down again I mean dam

I really thought our team would at least show today - but just a really sad performance - -no reason for this kind of showing - -have a little pride - show some fight - I mean dam - -barely going through the motions

kjayhawks said:

We hit the road again tomorrow for the early game on FS1 vs TCU. For some odd reason outside of the 2017 21 yards of offense and a running clock embarrassment. We have played TCU close since they joined this league. I look for tomorrow to be the same way. I think we have a chance of Stanley can limit his turnovers and the defense, which hasnt had a take away since week 1 can create some if their own. I think the spread is 16.5, I like that bet. But will be picking TCU 35 Kansas 24. Being a road game I wont put attendance for it. I feel like we are competing better but must find away to win some of these close games. I feel like KU football has a terrible record in games decided by one score or less pretty much every year outside of 2007 and 08.

Ha, that's pretty good on your score cause before I seen it I was thinking 31-21 TCU - -hope I'm wrong. - -Would really love to see our tandem backs jus bust out have huge games - -think we got a shot - -that's why we play the game right? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

The NCAA moves too slow for a post season ban this year imo.

Ya Norlander and Dodd = both said they don't think you will see any thing for this season - - said it will be likely in 2020 if there is a ban and or sanctions.

Long said KU ha their list of allegations/charges - -and now he said KU has 90 days for they're rebuttal - -said they were going to take they're time and that the fans are going to have to understand it will be a time we don't hear anything -KU won't be able to talk about it - - Self won't be able to talk about it.

Said he hopes the KU fans will understand He said people going will be talking a lot about us and he hopes the KU fans knows that we are running the program the right way and fully feel that when it's done they will win this case.

BShark said:

@dylans ISU poking around too. From what I can tell he can hoop, but he can't shoot. Perfect for Bill.

lol, who can't shoot ? - -the video I was watching looked lie he was doing a pretty decent job to me - -and I'm referring to his J - -not layups or flushes = = =He by far is No Marcus G. - - this kid got some range , and at times looked like even deep range -and they were looking pretty smooth/pure - -not like a prayer where you fire up as missile and it clangs around off the rim 5-6 tomes bounces up 3 ft and falls back through - - I didn't see any prayers in his shot- I think he would be a nice addition if we could land him. - - ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY

Well from my expertise eyes lol, 1st impressions , could we possibly be able to bag a sleeper?

Watching looks like he is pretty complete player. Ya it's a high-lite reel but still can't hide the talent.

Ew - - he got range - -he does have range , pretty smooth - - - - good handles - - - - - Likes to go to the rim also - - - -finishes when it presents it'self - - -really nice size for the position - - - -and looks fairly quick , not exceptional but good enough.

Like has been said we could for sure offer don't think it would be a waste - and again the position that it looks like we are in now and for awhile - - ya we need to offer.

Even with this Juco though even kids like this want that opportunity to play in the National title game - -or at least the possibility So with him only having two years to do so - - would he come with the possibility of a ban next season? - - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

Howard into see this kid today (actually his mom) https://247sports.com/Player/Tyon-Grant-Foster-46093992/ ↗

And THIS is what we very well could see the likes of for this year AND next more likely then not

BShark said:

@jayballer73 both. #10 on 247 and #28 on the composite which averages all the services.

ahh ok buddy thanks

Ok guys, I'm confused - - need some help. - clear this up for me. - -Just read the Article about our 2022 commit Tre White - -and how the Coach's and went and checked in on him after the NCAA thing - -which he says oh ya still a solid commit. - Also wanting and planning to attend of un-official for late night in the phog this year.

Anyways - - Matt Tait - said he had jumped into the # 10 spot in the updated 247 rankings for the 2022 season - - - yet when I pull up the 247rankings - - they - -still show him # 28. - so help me which is it? - - thanks guys - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

mayjay said:

I will lose any last lingering respect for Self if he walks away due to being punished (unless it is a condition for KU not to get hammered, like it was for Larry). If he is found to have got us into this mess, he by rights should steer us out.

The worst part for me is the same as it is for any supporters of anyone who does something bad--loss of trust.

I think Coach Townsend is cooked - - not sure about Coach but I think Coach Townsend is done when this is all said and done

Talking about this now on a Sports Talk program. - They are all saying that this with Georgia Tech doesn't bode well for KU at all. - Talks about how the NCAA committee looks like it is carrying a big stick and wants to punishments harshly.

They say the Big thing here is - that basically bottom line KU is going to have to prove that TJ Gassnola - -was/is not a Booster to KU. - -They're saying Georgia Tech had 3 Level one Violations - -and said KU basically is facing 5 level one violations - - saying that Georgia Tech has no charge of Coaching control as Coach Self faces - -or Institutional Control

Saying yes - - The Georgia Tech was a lot more of a slam dunk - -pretty concrete -as to where KU'S case is verbiage - - there is a lot that they don't know yet - - Georgia Tech was pretty much cut and dry - - basically a Coach inviting boosters to come back and hang out with kids

Also stated there had been no previous charges against Coach Self - -where as Georgia Tech had JUST gotten off probation - - saying lots of Appeals Hearings to come - -Saying KU they feel will fight this to the Very end , saying that and I'm not clear on this they wee talking about they KU could - - always drop something that would remove the possibility of TJ being a booster - -No mater this thing is just ugly mess and they said KU recruiting going to be a diaster

Read where Georgia Tech got HAMMERED. by NCAA

4 years of Probation - - -A 19-20 Post Season Ban for Men's Basketball. - - A fine of 5,000 dollars plus 2 % of Men's Basketball Budget. - -A reduction of ONE men's Basketball Scholarship during each year of Probation - - Recruiting restriction for the men's Basketball program that will apply for each year of probation including :

8 week ban on official Visits

A 3 visit reduction from the permissible number of official visits

A 8 week ban on recruiting Communication

A reduction of 19 recruiting person days from the permissible number.

A 3 year show cause order for the former assistant Coach during that period , any NCAA member School employing him must restrict him from any athletically related duties - unless it shows cause why restrictions should not apply.

A vacation of Records in which the Men's Basketball athletes competed while ineligible - -The University must provide written report containing the contests impacted to the NCAA media Coordination and statistic staff within 14 days of Public release.

A probation from scheduling offical visits in conjunction with home men's Basketball Competitions during the first two years of probation.

Disassociation of the following individuals

3 years of Disassociation of the former Assistant Coach

3 years disassociation of former Georgia Tech men's Basketball Student-Athlete Booster

Disassociation of the Head Coach's friend - -Booster

Holy Crap Hammered - -things to come ? - -This come from taking a Dukie to a Strip Club - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

mayjay said:

@nuleafjhawk Who would we play? The NCAA has effective control of all large college play due to the rule requiring all competition to be against NCAA-approved foes, even exhibitions.

Unless other schools were also willing to voluntarily dissociate themselves, we might be stuck trying to wrangle an entire slate of games, in dozens of sports, against national teams around the globe. Interesting idea, but hard to see how it would resemble what we like.

Maybe join the G league and get out of all other sports?

Theoretically, we could cut athletic department spending by some 95% and try to join the NAIA. Since their schools all together have about 60,000 in total enrollment, I doubt they would welcone a school our size.

I think the solution lies in fixing the NCAA. How? I will likely be dead before anyone can figure that out.

might not be as hard as you think - - I don't really think that KU is the only school by far that would love to dis associate themselves from the NCAA totally.

I think that's why you hear that the NCAA is actually the one walking on thin ice in the overall grand scheme of things - -a lot I mean a lot of schools not really very happy.

I think it might be easier to say what schools would want to stay WITH THE NCAA as opposed to who would want to leave - start a whole new association apart from the NCAA -oh sure schools like - - - Duke - - Kentucky - - North Carolina and a few other spoon fed darlings would want to stay with them but the bigger question would be - - who would they play - -I truly think if you were to take a vote - you would see that in reality that there are far more schools that would like to see the NCAA just go away then not.

kjayhawks said:

I'd say chances of Self sitting out a year are slim to none. If it comes down to that I'd bank on him retiring or being fired.

like I have said , this whole dam thing might just be the final straw that breaks the proverbial Camel's back. - If that were to happen suspended for the year - - it might just be enough where he says - - Screw the NCAA - - Screw recruiting - -sick of it and Walk away , always heard how much of a toll recruiting takes on a person/family -could be if that were to happen he might just try and dabble in the NBA.

Like I said before , what does he have left to prove in the College level? - - - NCAA Champions ? - - - done that - - Big 12 Champion ? - -Done that multiple times. - - -- College Hall of Fame ? - - - Done that

FarmerJayhawk said:

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

rockchalkwyo said:

Riley Gates, a KSU insider, put his CB for Gethro to KU today.

Looks like KU has a great shot here.

Edit: What about Karim Mane?

Not much out there about him right now. Might be a straight to pro candidate.

Gethro at this point would be a very nice addition - - I mean right now that's probably about as good as it get's - -he a pretty decent player - -a developmental player- - 3-4 year player right? I'm sure Coach would love to have him

Here is a question - -IF - - and again I'm saying IF - - IF /Coach /Self does get suspended next year and feeling pretty sure that Coach Townsend ends up getting axed - - -then who Coach's the team next year?

Hear me out on this: Larry Brown. Tanned, rested, ready. Can obviously coach, knows the league, loves Kansas. Boom.

lol- - oh ya that would look - sweet - - nice kick to the nads to the NCAA - see -what got another squeaky clean Coach for a year - - take that lmao

BShark said:

rockchalkwyo said:

Riley Gates, a KSU insider, put his CB for Gethro to KU today.

Looks like KU has a great shot here.

Edit: What about Karim Mane?

Not much out there about him right now. Might be a straight to pro candidate.

Gethro at this point would be a very nice addition - - I mean right now that's probably about as good as it get's - -he a pretty decent player - -a developmental player- - 3-4 year player right? I'm sure Coach would love to have him

Here is a question - -IF - - and again I'm saying IF - - IF /Coach /Self does get suspended next year and feeling pretty sure that Coach Townsend ends up getting axed - - -then who Coach's the team next year?

Was listening to Matt Norlander and Dennis Dodd doing an interview off CBS - -mercy they are painting a very possible ugly picture.

Was talking about a lot of other College Coach's asking about KU - -behind the scenes wanting to know when this crap was coming down on us - - a lot of People waiting to see what is going to happen to Arizona. - - Yet they say they think Arizona is in that next tier , nothing happening with them till some time in 2020.

just kept talking about how KU was in some serious trouble , talking about Coach Townsend0 , Dodd talking about how he really doesn't expect to see anything really happen this Season with KU - - it will be next Season - -doesn't think there will be any post season ban - - THIS YEAR. - -sure sounds like Townsend could be gone.

Talks about how the NCAA could come to KU and say ok , these are your violations - - what are you going to do about them , he said He doesn't think it will happen but Coach Self could be banned/suspended for TWO seasons - - other things they think can quite possibly happen and very likely will is vacating the 2018 final 4 because of DeSousa playing against Villanova -- & also vacating the 2018 Big 12 title - - Coach Self looking at suspension for 2020 - - and possible post season ban in 2020

Other thing they said which we all ready know and that was that this is just going to destroy KU recruiting - the longer this lingers , because recruits not knowing how this is going to effect the season - - -and they don't think we will know anything this year - -that it will be in 2020 - -because KU has 90 days for rebuttal and then the NCAA has 60 days to answer or whatever KU'S rebuttal

Guys this is going to be a REAL CHALLENGE - - emotionally and physically on people, gonna drain all ya got - -we need to be very aware this thing very easily could get really - - really ugly - - Coach Self will find bodies - - 4 year very developmental type more likely then not - - this is going to be a time when the rest of the Big 12 will realize now is the time to Kick KU'S ass because let's face it - - were going to be down - -other schools gonna thrive on this crap - - Coach Self will get players - - - might be the type of Topeka YMCA players he talked about that year when we got beaten by whoever the hell it was and he was so PO'D - - - -gonna be some Juco's - - maybe Grad transfers - - basically when all said and done , gonna be a player that has that frame of mind that he will come play for a HOF Coach no matter for the chance for this staff to develop them - - dark times ahead guys whether we are wanting to acknowledge or not.

And for the one's that are just trying to laugh/brush this off - - thinking were just gonna get a slap on the wrist? - - umm ya you keep right on thinking that , and then let me have some of that shit you been smoking - -main time it's time for you to put the pipe down and slowly back away - -it's coming - -it's just a matter of when - - you think slap of the wrist - - it's more like getting those shots yanked down and getting that ass whupped NCAA whupping - - get ready - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

Memphis is the school to watch with Gethro. In other news, UK is out for Isaiah Todd. No spots left there. I think he ends up overseas since his options here are pretty dry for what he's... ummm... looking for in a school.

Dam , Dam , Dam - - man I hate to see a kid that has talent like that go over sea's - - you would think he surely could find a spot - -once apon a time we were right there with him - -Screw the NCAA - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

nuleafjhawk said:

Praying for your complete healing!

Thank you my friend -- these kind of things - -"Prayer " - -is the best of the best - - appreciated my friend

rockchalkwyo said:

Get feeling better @jayballer73. I’m no doctor by any means but those symptoms sound a lot like my moms and it turns out that her blood sugars were low might be something worth asking about.

Your right my friend , never hurts to check another option. - -kinda frustrating - we'll make it though

Gorilla72 said:

Well said! Take care of yourself and family.... and get better!

Thank you my friend - -to let you know , it's people like yourself that makes things better, It's good to be around friends - - -good times and bad. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Well my friends , I'm sure the some of you might recall that right around this time last year I spent an extended time in the Hospital. - -Went in because of light headiness dizzy/blacking out - the best way to describe would be getting huge head rushes from the back of my head to the front - - best way to describe is like a big tidal wave crashing into the shore line.

Bottom line was , spent over a week there and they NEVER could come up with a reason. - The only thing they did decide was I needed a pace maker.

Well still been having problems starting back up again same symptoms Doctor seen me again - -can't figure it out - -so set me up for a tilt table test, that's where they strap you in and take your blood pressure readings at all different angles.

Well My heart Doctor says " Not so fast my friends - -thank you Lee Corrso lol " -he says my blood pressure readings are way to erratic he wants to see me BEFORE I take this test. - -Not gonna lie , got me worried - - with the history of heart conditions that run on my mom's side of the family - -not good. - - Once again they have or are going to bring in Neurology - -Cardiology, - -you name it - - Have been doing Orthostatics - -that's where you check your blood pressure in all positions -lying - - sitting - -and standing - - - WAY to big of drop from laying to standing. - - I can go just like my last reading OF - -161/88 - -with a pulse of 61 - - to standing and a reading of 96/51 - -with a pulse of 75 - -- that's WAY to be of a drop. - -

Sooo that's what we working with. - - when I stop and put my health in perspective with our sports - - make you realize - - - no contest , who knows might be out for a bit guys - - hope not but put in a word with the GUY for me ok - hope nothing to serious - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

Despite everything going on Gethro Muscadin took his visit to KU over the weekend.

https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Article/KU-basketball-recruiting-Gethro-Muscadin-recaps-visit-talks-Bill-Self-136085646/ ↗

don't get the VIP but hope he had some positive things to say - - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Woodrow said:

Love cancelled his trip to KU and has cut his list to Mizzou and UNC . No surprise here.

one of many cancellations to come

HighEliteMajor said:

I keep coming back to this - If everyone is doing it, then everyone knows, that everyone includes Bill Self, and thus Bill Self has blatantly lied. The everyone could be a limited definition, say just the top 15ish programs. Or a broad definition. Doesn't matter. We're part of "everyone" as a top program. "Doing it" would be the shoeco folks (Nike, Adidas, UA) providing benefits for kids to attend certain schools.

But if everyone isn't doing it, then we're still left with allegations that no one is really denying -- we're only suggesting that we shouldn't be punished for the allegations related to Gassnola/Adidas.

What am I missing here?

If those are the two choices, neither choice seems to end well.

How is it not a choice between the two.

I don't give a rat's ass if EVERYONE is doing it theory - - I only care about KU. - -so if everyone was to step o a land mine - -does that mean we should step on one too? - - lmao - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

just some insane tidbit to the NCAA - - and sanctions over the years.. - - -

According to a article at the Inside Higher Ed.com. this was a 2016 Article - -in a time frame from 2006 through 2015 - -more then a quarter of ALL division 1 College's - - 43 % of ALL FBS football programs and MORE then HALF of the members from Power 5 Conferences committed MAJOR violations of NCAA rules. - - you hear what I'm saying here - - more then HALF of Power 5 Conference members committed MAJOR violations - -this crap is insane.

16 programs were punished twice during this same time frame - - -AND two of our fellow conference members were punished 3 times during this time frame - - Oklahoma & West Virginia - -the numbers of this is kind of boggling to me - - I know most of this is with football but still the system is messed up - - -for all these programs to violate like that -- over half of your members- -what's wrong with this picture? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

HighEliteMajor said:

@BeddieKU23 @dylans I would be shocked if Long turns on Self. I firmly believe that Long would not have his job except for Self's approval. I would suspect that Self required him to kiss the ring prior to his hiring. The issue is not Long in my opinion. It's the Chancellor, board of regents, egg-heads. Those are the folks that could turn on him pretty easily. Get focused like I did on "honesty and integrity." Sometimes that is a real consideration. From folks in the proverbial ivory towers, I doubt their sincerity .. always. Of course, Long could see the opening to be more powerful here and turn on Self in part because of that. The consolidation of power thing.

And we know that only one person in the room profits from KU getting sanctioned. Mr. Long. I'd like to know the brain surgeon that put that deal together. But from Long's end, he has the perfect storm -- I didn't do it, I get more money, and I can remove the King. Not saying it happens or that Long even thinks that way. Just discussion.

I don't know why , but something just keeps tugging at me and trying to tell me IF this should happen , then don't rule out ANYTHING. - -part of that anything and this is the thing for some reason I keep getting this sense - -this gut feeling - -what if Long doesn't fire him - -BUT what if Coach Self says - - screw this - -Screw the NCAA and just walks? - - says enough of this BS recruiting -- we all have heard how it takes quite the tow on people/family - -what if he just says he has had enough of the NCAA and their BS rules and regulations? - -what if they do suspend him and he just kicks rocks - -tries the NBA ?

The thing is what does he have left to accomplish at the College level? - - - Conference Championship? - -Done that - - - - NCAA Title ? - - -Done That - - - Being inducted to the College Hall of Fame ? - - - Done that -- Coach of the year ? - - - Done that. - -maybe - - just maybe he is just plain tired of all this NCAA BS - -this is something that makes me wonder - - even if it's just a small amount? - -Never say Never. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Woodrow said:

@FarmerJayhawk I know it is absurd. It is amazing how many athletes the top tier of college FB accumulate.

Clayton would just be a monster grab for Les. I feel like it would be that signature recruit that might open the flood gates to better players for KU. ( assuming they produce on the field)

Then if GOD smile upon us and some how we could convince the de-commit from LSU to come here 4 * defensive tackle - - we be moving right along. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

Woodrow said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Zach Evans (5* RB) is likely going to UGA. I still think the main competition for Clayton is LSU, but if we can land him, that would be terrific. If we can get the DT on campus too that would be awesome. I think he ends up at TCU but visits will make a difference for sure (and if we can beat them Saturday).

If that is the case then UGA would have two 5* RB's in this class. Wouldn't make a lot of sense for Clayton to go there...

Exactly. Just take a gander at how stupid loaded they are at RB, especially sophomores and freshmen https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Season/2020-Football/ScholarshipDistribution/ ↗

exactly - -that's why I kinda like our chances - - I love this guy - -a true stud - - and with his connection with Pooka -- and pooka follows him on twitter - -so I think the friendship is both ways.

Pretty simple -- he could go to Georgia and stand and just be ANOTHER - -guy waiting for a shot - -OR come to KU be with his buddy and be one of the main guys - -have no doubt he be seeing a lot of snaps - -saying a decision maybe coming soon. - - ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY

justanotherfan said:

The big thing that has helped KU so far this year is that, even though they are 2-2, they were very competitive in both of the losses. That matters. Kids don't want to come and get embarrassed week after week. Showing that KU is no longer a team that can get blasted every week by any conference opponent is big.

The next step, obviously, is to put some numbers in the win column. I'd like to see 4 wins. More than that is probably too hopeful, but 4 would show some definite progress. We still need playmakers on the offensive side, and some more athletes on defense, but 4 wins on top of being competitive would show that things are pointed in the right direction.

from everything I've seen and heard from others is - - Clayton is just another version of Pooka - - maybe a tad better -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

Zach Evans (5* RB) is likely going to UGA. I still think the main competition for Clayton is LSU, but if we can land him, that would be terrific. If we can get the DT on campus too that would be awesome. I think he ends up at TCU but visits will make a difference for sure (and if we can beat them Saturday).

I don't think he is goin go to LSU. -- He has tweeted that this is his last 9 months in Louisiana -- I think also it's a KU/Georgia battle. -- A friend of mine is pretty close down there but he said he had been hearing Georgia - -but talk to him a couple of days ago and now kind of un-clear

Woodrow said:

TOS is The Other Site. Meaning it came from Rivals.

Awww thanks I'm not the brightest light in the house sometimes -- but I knew I could count on someone to pick me up - - appreciated

Can anyone define the meaning of these letters - - -TOS ? -Read from a poster off the phog , like less then 2 hours ago said - - - -Where the poster read from TOS that say Ashad Clayton's top two Schools are Georgia and KU - -and he loves Pooka and really wants to play with him. - -Thing is Georgia is pretty much running back U these last few years - -but on the other hand they have already signed a higher rated running back then Clayton this incoming year - - Clayton can come in and play right along Pooka take Herbert's place or go to Georgia and stand in line - seems lie an easy choice to me - - love this guy - - said decision could be coming soon.

Also read where Patrick Williams a 4 * Defensive tackle 6'2 - - -285 - -from Marrero Louisiana has just de-committed from LSU and KU is a school he wants to visit - - - sounds just fine with me, maybe pick up a couple of studs - -Clayton 4 * running back - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

HighEliteMajor said:

@Woodrow What would lead you to conclude we will get what amounts to a slap on the wrist?

We should all look at paragraph 5.b. Three athletic department administrators identified red flags/concerns with Gassnola, but the athletic department took no action.

We were led to believe that the vehicle issue with Preston was a big surprise. Not so much. Staff knew he had the vehicle but it was not registered with the athletic department compliance. Paragraph 5.d.

Dam good points HighElite , I couldn't agree more. - - You and Beddie make very solid points , theories. - -I'm afraid there are some that just refuse to realize the possibilities of sanctions/penalties .

I mean I know what I have to say here probably won't make some people here to happy , Some may think I'm full of S - - - - -it's ok I understand their frustration - - Hell I'm frustrated. We were already frustrated with recruiting , now we know why it sucked

People will or have said well - -if we get hammered by the NCAA then by GOD - - Duke , -- North Carolina , - -Arizona , - -Louisville and others better get hammered to - ain't right. - - Thing is - - I get that m I understand how others feel and think - -I've been right there with them - -it sucks

Yet at the end of the day = - - - I don't give a flying rat's ass about Duke - - North Carolina -- Arizona's - - The Louisville of the world all I care about is KU the others can go screw themselves -doesn't effect me about their programs - -The program that effects me is KU

It's going to be interesting if Coach Self get's suspended for the year - - -some here don't seem to think there is no way in hell that will happen - - well as the old Game Day guy says - - Not so Fast my friends - -don't ever say ever - - again we are dealing with this BS NCAA here. -I think there is a very good chance we vacate wins - get stripped of our final four - - -and possibly even banned from the tourney for a year -it's ok if you don't agree - - all I'm saying there is that possibility.

Like High Elite says there were 3 AD Admins here that got ignored - -we are talking multiple level 1 infractions - - The NCAA is looking for a whipping boy - -who better then Ol KU

I tell ya I'm so bummed out with this crap -I'm so afraid that after this year we are going on a free fall for a couple of years -it's gonna get uglier before it gets better -IF Coach doesn't get suspended then we are REALLY gonna see his HOF abilities - but at the end of the day -- I've always been a Jayhawk - - Always will be a Jayhawk - -through and through - -difference between bandwagon fans - -and TRUE FANS - -true fans stick it out - -good times - -AND bad times - -and as always ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BShark said:

HighEliteMajor said:

BShark said:

I mentioned this is the other thread, but I am intrigued to see Bill with a full blown bag of rocks.

Hmmm. Bill has to be here to do that.

Odds are high, since he is still currently here after the last offseason. Unless the NCAA literally bans him which would be fought.

i'll ask this again now the Lack of coaching Control or what ever the F it is - - this CAN lead to a year suspension - - if that indeed happens - - - Does Bill walk Away?

HighEliteMajor said:

From the Athletic as well: Azubuike is averaging 74% on his free throws in practice so far. During the off season, Azuibuike, with the help of the staff, converted to an underhanded, Rick Barry-style of shooting from the line. Self said, "The change has been incredible. We keep wondering to ourselves, 'why didn't we do this sooner'?" In fact, Azubuike paraphrased the age-old thoughts attributed to Albert Einstein, "Insanity is doing the same thing, the same way, and hoping things change."

***Sorry, it's all just a dream. I woke up just as I imagined Marcus Garrett shooting the ball like George Gervin instead of my 7th grade neighbor kid.

only problem is - - BIG DIFERENCE between shooting free throws at practice and in a 2 point high stakes game with crowd going nuts lol - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

FarmerJayhawk said:

He almost certainly wasn’t going there, but that 100% eliminates UNC for Todd

watch watch - -shouldn't come as a big surprise now - - Todd/Kentucky

Just curious how many of these guys will still show with all these allegations and NCAA possible sanctions floating around.

I think Gethro was suppose to be in this past weekend for a visit wasn't he? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

My Packers HAVE to be the most un-impressive 3-0 in the NFL - -They have a really good defense - lead the league in take aways -- GOD only knows how many sacks they have on the season , I know we got 6 yesterday - - I know w had 5 against Chicago - -got to be towards the top there.

At 1st I was thinking Dam the Denver running back was getting whatever he wanted against us - - BUT then I saw he had 22 carries at one point and only had 88 yards. - -That's not the problem.

I think it's the Coach and this new system. - -I think he is actually holding Aaron back - -hopefully he will let go - - Aaron at this point looks like a shell of what he has been - -not sure if it's because of this new system or what - - I think so. - -I think he needs to turn Aaron go - -let him play more freely - - the only good thing is , I think they will get this turned around as the Season goes - -BUT dam offense way thay look like warm dog doo right now - -but hey we are 3-0 I guess lol. - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

drgnslayr said:

Again... none of this becomes a concern when we go for developmental players and through a developmental program.

Maybe this will be the final wake up call.

doubt it