Crimsonorblue22 said:

Chiefs are going to win!

I'm glad my dish works again. Now I can watch Ku & the Chiefs - -Even though as you all know I'm not a Primeir Chiefs fan As The Packers IS my team - -I still root for KC too , man hope they win

Well Dad burn it guys. - Not going to be able to watch the game today, dammit.

We had this dam snow storm yesterday/last night - has knocked my dish off - -complete signal loss it says. Talked to dish and they said ya , it's being able to receive any signal. They credited us for 2 days -guess I'm just going to have to listen on the radio - -can't watch the Chiefs either - -makes for a crappy day. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

kjayhawks said:

There should be punishment on his behalf, no question. I’m just not sure what really happened but if he’s willing to take some classes and sit out a few games I’d be fine with him being reinstated to the program.

In the end run - -nobody will ever know for 100 % what really happened -- boil down to one of these he said - -she said - -to be on the lighter side Coach Miles I figure will hold him out of a couple games at the least - maybe all the way to all the Non Con - do what he think saves face for the University as far as some form of decipline . - It would not look good it Les did nothing

@kjayhawks -your looking as a KU fan - -not a Kentucky fan - - - or any other fan which is many that have like for KU what soever.

Your look at these people who if they see the article that is attached or was attached to KU facility - -student what the hell eve - -all they see in the Article mentions KU - -that's all they need they don't give a flyin flip when r it was 50 yrs ago or yesterday - -it STILLS deals with the word KU and that's all these leeches need to run with. - -they emply this is what KU breeds out. - -but it's ok if you don't understand - - but I'm tellin ya it happens with this people - -I've went trough it personally with these idiots.

If they can twist this around to where it fits their needs to make us look like a scum University they can and HAVE done it - -it's ok I'm not asking you to understand just saying that's all

approxinfinity said:

To me this feels so far removed from her time at Kansas that, while unfortunate, is not a black eye for the University.

As long as some others that are KU haters and have been bashing the university for these types of things - - like Pooka - - -Vick - - - -Bragg - - - the whole scenario at the dorm for Athletes - -doesn't take much if KU name is attached to the incedent in any way - -these KU haters will lock on to this and just run with this FULL BORE - hell they don't care how long ago it was. - All they see it is another case associated with/about KU the - If these haters can find ANYTHING that puts KU in ANY kind of negative light they'll do it - a bunch of bottom feeders - any take that can make KU look bad - the haters are on it. - Something on the lines of - -well just another case of what comes out of that mugger rapists women beaters university , and now they have become a child molester University too. -- I can see that being said very easily - -that is what Ku haters live for.

Jeez , I mean come on - -this kind of crap has just got to stop. - Man I' telling you our School has sure been taking a hit from the public opinion recent in the last couple of years - just got to stop.

Was just reading , and yes I know that THIS one is no longer here at the School , but as you know and I know will still be associated by the general public and be made with comments such as - ANOTHER ONE that went to KU, just more bad looks for KU

Just read that a former Goal keeper from the KU soccer team ( Meghan Miller ) graduated in 2004 - now the age of 35 and was Coaching at a School in Seattle - -has been charged with 3rd degree of Child Molestation & 2 counts of 1 degree sexual Misconduct

she was with the girl in 2014 started the relationship when the girl was 14 - and turned sexual when the girl turned 15 - -holy crap sure seems bad things for us just keep coming blacking the eye - when will this crap stop? - - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

justanotherfan said:

I'm uneasy about this diversion. I hope that he isn't a scumbag, but I am also worried.

KU football has a lot of momentum right now. New coach. Good recruits coming in. Excitement around the program.

I hope no one bowed to the excitement and pressure and brushed something serious off as a "mistake." If he did something bad, he should be punished, even if that means he's off the team.

Now, that isn't to say that he did do something horrible. I don't have the facts. But I also know that there's a pretty long and ugly history of athletes being granted much more leeway than they should have because they were helping the team win. College football has a long history of coverups in the name of team wins (see Baylor, Colorado, Penn State, Florida State, Miami, North Carolina, Tennessee, USC, Michigan State, LSU, Florida, Ohio State, Maryland, Nebraska - could go on, but you get the point). I just hope that this isn't a sign that Kansas should be added to that list.

Well just because he was granted the diversion doesn't mean he won't be facing punishment. - -Coach more likely will be giving him some form of punishment on top of what the diversion calls for. - - I'm thinking he will be serving some suspension from Miles - -looking maybe a couple of games at the beginning of the season , on top of attending any say Anger Management and if he has any fines he will be made to pay - somewhere along those lines - -then let's put this behind us and move on , and hope he understands he can NEVER put his hands on a woman NO WHERE - - NO TIME - -and just don't let himself get caught up in this type of situation again.

He has a very legit shot of having a outstanding future - just has to use his head and choose is women the right way. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

You know Vick didn't use to have these kind of problems with the ball , but I agree - -these games a lot this year he is just way to loose - - not thinking - -taking care of the ball - -it's beyond crazy.

Like you also say KJ had some good minutes when he was in , nice hustle People talking or commenting about how they didn't want him on the floor. - My only comment was/is that I'm not saying that they were right or wrong , my only point I tried to point out was - -we really hadn't seen enough of KJ to really make that determination - he had only been on the floor very limited minutes to make that call. now me and it's just my opinion , I personally like KJ. I made mention from his previous time at Memphis he had done fairly well - -put up some pretty decent numbers had posted like over 8 rebs a game in extended minutes and was double digit scorer while there - he just hasn't had extended minutes here , so I was not willing to just say keep him off the floor. - we shall see , kind of odd that last night he did get a few more minutes and did a decent job , I really didn't see he did anything where I'd yank him out and bury him on the bench. - -Hell actually at THIS point I'd be giving him some of Vick's minutes these wouldn't effect Garrett or Ochai minutes - we will see I reckon

Agree again McCormick only 1 minutes last night - but from what I heard in post game it was more because of match up game conditions last night. - I was a little worried he buried on the bench when it sounded like he would be more involved and then last night. - Yet Coach said it was simply because of Game conditions.- -Sounds like against Baylor we might be running 2 bigs and Dave will be playing more. - -Coach said something to the effect of Baylor playing that way. - -We shall see. ' ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Pooka will sit out some games I bet - Seems like in even asking for a diverson - he is pretty much admitting guilt and like a plea bargain. When I was younger I has to go trough a diversion myself.

There will probably classes he will have to go to . I'm pretty sure he will be suspended a couple of games by Coach - -let's put this behind us now - -Pooka do what he needs to do to satisfy Everyone - and then play ball - don't get caught or put yourself in that type of a situation ever again - we need you - -w DON'T need more issues with our sports progam. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

cragarhawk said:

@BShark idk, I give that a better long term chance. I think it gives the team the highest ceiling at this point. Otherwise we're basically saying we're gonna rely on guys that aren't good shooters becoming great shooters. I don't think that happens. Even Vick's run of lights out performances was (Suns shines on a dogs behind some days) kind of stuff. Things almost always revert to the mean. Love to see it work. But am highly skeptical. If there's a somewhat positive way of looking at it, I guess for me it's that idk that we're gonna be ridiculously great either way. So pick one and go with it I reckon. Lol. Why not

I'm agreeing with you on the 4 out - -I just don't think we have the shooters this year - -we gonna run a cross a team - -multiple teams going to start running zone on us daring us to shoot from the perimeter shot - -and Dedric will be lucky to touch the ball - they gonna sag in so much - and until we prove we can bring them out , it's gonna stay that way, and I don't mean us just hitting a 3 - -here and there we are going to have to prove we can hit it on a pretty regular thing - right now we aren't doing that - I'm afraid the 4 out and 1 in isn't going to work that well for us this time round

Fightsongwriter said:

Did anyone else catch where it said Ochai was practicing with the first unit? Starting tonight???

If so is it Vick riding pine??

Vick is - -what's the word I'm looking for - - - I guess a real mystery , when he is good - -he is really good - - but when he is bad - -he is really bad - -REALLY BAD - -thing is I mean dam it's either one of the other - -nothing in between - that's what frustrates the hell out of me.

I'm not really all that sure that Ochai starts I'm not all that sure about feeling that - might just ad extra pressure to him that he already gonna have - just hope he does well, - -I'm really not to sure just how many minutes we will see him tonight starting , I dunno -- -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

dylans said:

I am apparently quicker to give up on a season than Bill. I thought the chemistry sucks and the pieces don’t really fit why throw another part at it? I thought 5th year Ochai would be more valuable than freshman Ochai. I don’t know that my thoughts have changed, but I don’t watch him practice every day. I’m not sure what to think about this deal. Seems shortsighted...Even if it keeps the streak alive. Time will tell.

They were talking on the radio yesterday and they brought up the point in this era, of especially OAD'S not saying that's what he is but with so many -who really sticks around programs for 5 years anymore - the redshirt isn't today nearly like what it was in the past. - -I dunno - -guess like you say we will just see I reckon

DanR said:

Mitch has been pretty terrible this year (SO FAR), like he's wearing oven mitts. He just can't hang onto the damn ball after rebounds or post feeds. I'm probably his biggest fan/cheerleader, and I honestly don't know what to make of his play so far. I hope he shakes the rust off, because he needs to step up and at least set some mean screens.

Oh I don't know - I think I'd have to challenge you in fan department for Mitch lol - yet like you I wish he was doing better , seems like he has dropped off this season - -regressed some , we do need Mitch like you say , good at the little things p - - - -the dirty work - -taking charges , - -going to the floor - -blocking shots - -but as far as his shooting goes- - it's just not there - hope he can come around be better when he ais ON THE FLOOR

DanR said:

@jayhawkcsg I'd be OK with more D, less charlie. I honestly can't tell what KJ brings.

Me neither. See that's what I've been trying to say too I just don't think really KJ has been given enough game time to make a real true judgement of what he can do.

All I know from his time in Memphis he had pretty decent numbers , he looks to me anyways like he has a decent looking shot -may be a bad on defense - -but hell who in the hell on this team IS a good defender other then Marcus right? - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayhawkcsg said:

@DanR Always possible, but it could also mean that players like KJ and Charlie see less time on the floor.
If the "new" emphasis seems to be on defense, well there goes Charlie.

answer me this batman - -how can KJ possibly play any LESS MINUTES? - -I think people might be just a little to hard on KJ for the amount of time he HAS been on the court.

can't be that bad - put up pretty decent numbers at Memphis , - -now I sure the hell ain't saying he needs to see major minutes BUT he could see some more then he is getting - -hard for a player to get in any kind of rhythm when so sporadic minutes - he sure in the hell isn't any worse then Vick when he does his disappearing acts - you ain't telling me Vick is any better on the defensive end - Vick SUCKS. - -KJ goes to the boards well - - Ahh I'm getting off the subject wandering all over the place - I'm just looking forward to better play - - really don't care who it is - just want us to get better. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BigBad said:

Self is going back to what he knows....DEFENSE!!!!! I'd bet anything we pressure like crazy. With added guard depth if you dont guard you dont play....Moore and KJ are horrible on D.

We need to learn how to play defense PERIOD 1st before we try and defend like crazy. - If you watch games we have been back doored soooo many times , we give up way to many offensive rebounds where teams get 2-3 shots per possession that sucks -- our 3 pt defense is non exsistent - -got possessions where players get lost or just kind of half hearted - -jog out and king like half hearted olay wave a arm up and then back up off the player - -way to many open shots.. - -Coach normally - if your not willing to play D - -then your on the bench - -thing is this year if he ran that approach , the whole DAM TEAM would be on the bench so we need to just learn how to play defense - -any kind of defense 1st before worrying about defending like crazy

BeddieKU23 said:

I say start him. We are at home where he would likely play better. See what you got in the first 4 minutes or so. See if he is the spark we need

Nothing to lose giving him a chance based on what we have seen from other options

It will be good for him I think to get his first game time minutes while a home, let him get some of those jitters out of the way at home instead of having to experience that being thrown to the wolves on the road for that. - -I think he will be fine just as long as people realize he won't be putting up monster numbers. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

jayhawkcsg said:

Oops, i forgot to add...do not expect him to come in and be lights out savior from the 3 pt line.
that's a very rare thing as a freshman.

ya that's what I'm thinking myself. -- I sure hope and I'm not saying for people here - -but I SURE the hell hope people don't think he is going to be some almighty savior - I have read where and makes you think he will be the difference - - -yes being told athletic - -yes a high flyer - - yes a good shooter - -but still needs time , it's going to be overwhelming for him for awhile , then cold be a vey good addition.

Some people just think sometimes that things such as this all it's gonna take. - I'm really looking forward to seeing him - for sure will help , all I'm trying to say is that let's give him some time - -just like Silvio last year - -big difference between practice and game time.

What I'm afraid of is he may come out the first 3-4 games and struggle some and then SOME people start getting frustrated that the kid not putting up big numbers or something like that. - That's not fair to him at all - glad to have him though/ - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Where did you hear/see this - - went on the LJW and it hasn't posted anything?

BShark said:

jayballer73 said:

Holy crap - what's the deal - -Iowa State down 38-30 to Oklahoma State at the half - - - Texas down b y 19 to Oklahoma State at the half/

Lard for Iowa State was being helped of the floor at the half but not real bad - still being helped of the floor at the half - - I knew Iowa State played out their as - -against us - -not saying they will lose but still - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

The league shits itself so KU can win it. ROCK CHALK BABY!

are you watching either of these? - just channeling surfing back and forth = =not say they will end up losing - -I imagine Iowa State will come back - -but sure would help if both lost

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 Might as well. Charlie and KJ are both awful and the amount of eligible + healthy players is quickly diminishing.

So Ochai - -pull shirt of huh?

Holy crap - what's the deal - -Iowa State down 38-30 to Oklahoma State at the half - - - Texas down b y 19 to Oklahoma State at the half/

Lard for Iowa State was being helped of the floor at the half but not real bad - still being helped of the floor at the half - - I knew Iowa State played out their as - -against us - -not saying they will lose but still - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Woodrow said:

@HighEliteMajor When you shoot 75% from the field its OK to be a black hole.

it's all about learning a process - -as time goes along - things will slow down for him - and he won't be that black hole. - -The boy is a specimen - -he will be a force - just like Doke was a process - -McCormack is a process

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@jayballer73 probably doesn't want to risk getting hurt again. His handlers/babysitters will move him down the road.

ya that's what I am thinking - - -because of how injury prone he has been probably thinking that he better move on and try to avoid yet - -ANOTHER injury where it quite possibly cause him to never get any money - -I just don't think he will be back - -yet never say never. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

@BeddieKU23 Ya and I'm not sure how this whole scenario will effect Silvio's situation - -but I don't think this will be positive for Silvio because of timing wise. - Richardson will now serve 18-24 months in jail. -- They say this could be good for Stumpy ( Sean Miller) in that no more information about him or Arizona will be introduced in Court - - hmmmm that kind of smells.

They said no resolution is expected before the final four. - -They said they are not going to have everything wrapped up by the final four that's for sure. Because that these trials are going on they said.

That to me sounds like also along with every thing else that they won't have any decision for Silvio for some time - -I figure they are going to concentrate on the punishment for school - IF there is any punishment to be issued for the Schools involved before making decision on any players like Silvio - -very well could be the final nail in the coffin for Silvio - -which is bullshit -I could very well be wrong but sure sounds like it

Well Coach kind of hinted he thought Doke might be back next year - -but really can't say - -the sports talk show here in Topeka today thought he will come back. - I'm not thinking so - I mean I guess there is always a chance.

A lot of what they are basing things on is - -that he will miss the NBA camp they have where they watch potential players -- -the combine that what it is - - he will miss that this year - -I just don't see where he is going to improver enough to come back for that Senior year - -could be wrong -- kind of mixed feelings would love to have him back - but yet in a way might hurt our recruitment in bigs for next year if he comes back - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Gorilla72 said:

Ochai is a 6’5” guard, recovering from a stress fracture. I’m not thinking he will be much help.

Doke should at least be able to help coach Big Dave. That’s something...

Read the article on Ochai - -and I think this might actually happen , and at this point I think it could very well happen.

From what I remember Ochai - is 100 % all in for KU - -seems like I remember on some kind of situation he stated he was more then willing to do what he could do to help the team. - -I think he would give up his red shirt if asked. - - I also think his parents will back him 100 % - I think they totally love the school also.

Coach Self said they were for sure thinking about it , BUT hadn't made a decision - but reading between the lines - -I think I get that feel that this is going to happen - at this point I'm all in - I think he can help = =might work as they are talking about going that 4 guard lineup again - here is hoping. - -ROCK CHALK AL DAY LONG BABY

Woodrow said:

I won't be surprised if SDS leaves and heads overseas like Billy did last year. There is no reason to sit on the bench and wast your time and talents. It is absolutely absurd that it has come to this, but I think SDS needs to at least be considering moving on.

I-have to agree with you - -I have been thinking this for awhile now. - - I really don't understand why he still hangs around. - The only thing I can think of that some how some way that he knows he will be eligible and just waiting. - if we go through the entire season with no answer - he for sure will be gone - -eligible or no - -and I sure the hell don't blame him

Woodrow said:

@jayballer73 Doesn't make any sense to me. Nevada is still ranked #10 after getting destroyed at New Mexico. I know road conference games are tough, but they were 14-15 point favorites.

dam they must have been drinking some really strong coffee while filling out their ballots this week lol

BeddieKU23 said:

@jayballer73

It's not as if she didn't have a point though. The lack of athleticism on Dedric really showed Saturday. He struggled and the gameplan for ISU worked perfectly on him for the most part. Perimeter players must do a much better job putting the ball in spots he can go get it because he's not athletic enough to just throw it up there and let him get it. I thought we did a poor job among many other things adjusting to how Dedric was guarded. He can make plays with the ball away from the hoop but we seemed set on forcing it inside to see 3 guys swarm him. This gameplan reminded me of How Jay Wright took Perry Ellis out of the game in the Elite 8. Just my two cents

true - -but no one said she didn't make a good point - -and so did I - simply stating the obvious - -you think it was bad Saturday ? - you haven't seen nothing yet.

Kind of like when I mentioned about KJ here and yet nobody seems to think that might work - - think it would work just as well as any other possible line up that people have mentioned here - just as reasonable

justanotherfan said:

Not really sure where Azubuike's career goes from here, honestly.

He's not NBA ready. Nothing in his game suggests significant improvement in any of the areas he needed to improve in from last year to this year. He's also injury prone, which is a huge red flag for a guy with his size.

That suggests in my mind that Azubuike returns to Lawrence next year for his senior season.

But the injuries also create another issue. Udoka Azubuike has not improved at the rate anyone was hoping because he has missed so much time with injuries. He is still extremely raw and unrefined. There's a good chance that McCormack surpasses where Doke is at while Doke recovers from this most recent injury. There's the possibility that KU brings in another big that is more skilled. There is a possibility Doke isn't the best center on next year's team if he does return.

This injury is just a very sad overall situation for Udoka Azubuike personally. There's a decent chance he never reaches his full potential now - his shooting touch may never progress. He will have some options overseas, but I think the door to the NBA may have closed for him.

your not going to have to worry about any scenario -next year I'm marking it right here - -right now he will not be coming back to KU next year, the reason being is why? - I'll say this one more time - -he will be a D league or G league player IF any NBA team drafts him - -with his history of injury - - - with the lack of any kind of shot - with his durability lacking he won't keep up in a NBA pace of up and down the floor - -why would he come back? - - for what ? - -he is not going to improve enough to change NBA executives decisions Doke is an old fossil in the modern NBA - -oh MAYBE just MAYBE some one MIGHT draft him , but more likely then not if he is going to make any money it will be over sea's somewhere - but the one thing you can count on his him NOT returning to KU - it's just not worth it really - - for ANYONE

Woodrow said:

Somehow KU is still ranked #7 in the new AP poll.

7 KU

8 Tech

20 Iowa St.

23 OU

25 TCU

that's crazy we only dropped 2 - - hmmm & that's with them knowing we have lost Doke

Dam -- just read this morning where Kwamie Lassiter had passed away yesterday -- he was 49 years old - -- -passed away from a heart attack. - -always like him - was pretty tough guy, surprised the hell out of me - - played 10 yrs in the NFL with most of it with the Cardinals 8 yrs with them. - - Kwamie's son Is playing for us now -- RIP Kwamie - - -GOD SPEED truly a sad day for Jayhawk Nation

Crimsonorblue22 said:

I really have lost hope. If Dedric looked better at isu, I'd feel better, but he's our only hope and he stunk. Can't even catch a ball. This is the first time I've been a Debbie downer.

if you think he stunk before then you better put some nose plugs on the ol nose for the rest of the season - he will be lucky to even see the ball - he will be doubled tripled every time he touches the ball - - that's IF he touches the ball - - maybe we ought to give you a shot at that position see how well you could catch the ball be double teamed and got guys swiping at the ball and pushing on you - - ya - -that's it -- I would love to see how well you would hold up

KUSTEVE said:

@jayballer73 We still have to play the season out. I'm telling you that because you're disgusted, and it doesn't look like there would be any way to fix this hot mess. We've been here before, though. if we still look this bad in March, then we might have to stick a fork in us. but, it's not like we haven't been through this before. Remember when we went up to an unranked Temple team a few years back, and got beat by 25? How about those WVU beatdowns a few years back? Last year, we lost some games that were pure head scratchers. That loss by 15 to OSU was abysmal. Thank God for Devonte. This year, we need one or two players to stand up and start leading when the chips are down. Somebody on the team is hopefully really pissed about yesterday. Pissed enough to go off, and get these dudes to focus in, and start competing. I think it's going be Devon, but I could be wrong.

ya it sounds good - -but as you know our problems just became a lot worse. - sory bud -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

KUSTEVE said:

@BShark I think our crappy play is more a team effort, but 7 turnovers when you play off the ball is pretty hard to explain. I keep thinking KJ is sitting over on the bench, and the few minutes he got ( except for that stupid behind the back pass on the fast break ) were better than what Vick played the whole game. Vick is not a hero, and I think him trying to be one hurts more than it helps.

I mentioned earlier in this thread. - -just curious I know might be insane but at this point it might also help some too. - -Start McCormack at the 5 - -like HEM mentioned and I totally agree with , but I was thinking with Vick in one of his swoons - not being seen on the floor doing his disappearing act yet again - -Ok so everyone say Garrett is an offensive liability - -so at least for the moment - let's start KJ - -he was decent at Memphis can score - -at least keep the opponents honest - have to play us 5-5 - -instead of them sagging with Garrett on the Floor Bring Vick in to back up KJ - for right now anyways - -maybe Vick be more inspired coming off the bench - -start KJ at the 3 - -Have Garret come of the bench to back up Dotson & Grimes - at this point couldn't hurt - -I know he is more of an offensive threat then Marcus - -he rebounds the ball decent - so he gives us more height - -more rebounding and can score better then Marcus - -what ya think? - I know it's not the pemament solution but hell can't hurt and try

HighEliteMajor said:

RED ALERT

Start David McCormack. Start him now. Live with the ups and downs. It is critical that this guy develop. He won't do that playing a 10-12 minutes. Start him. Play him 'till he drops.

that's what we have got to do guy. - - - -he just going to have to develop on the run. -- We have all of a sudden went from a deep team to thin again - - hopefully he can come along.

Here is something I've wondered since I heard this wonderful news. - -I know it isn't the best move far from it but I kind of wondered. - -Like you say McCormack starting now at the 5 - - so what about and again it might sound crazy but what if we put Vick on the bench - -have him coming off the bench for at least for awhile till he can get his junk together - -start him on the bench - -let's put KJ at the 3 - -that way keeps Garett from being a liability on the offensive end - - gives us a little more height in the starting Five - - -we were starting Garrett - -well KJ is just as good - -I know he is a better option anyways on the offensive end. - -Start KJ at the 3 - -bring Vick in and relieve KJ for awhile right now as Vick is in another one of his funks - -playing horrible ball - - Bring Garrett in off the bench to relieve Dotson/grimes - I know not the best possible solution by any means BUT can't be any worse right now. - -Takes Garrett out at least the other teams would have to play us 5-5 instead of 4-5 - - and at this minute with Vick playing like he is can't be worse right?

I have thought would like to see KJ possibly at least a little more , Garrett still be playing some anyways - I just think it might help some in this situation - - Add some height - -takes away the defenicy of no offensive threat from Garrett - -KJ pretty good rebounder - -go ahead tell me I'm crazy as a loonie tune - -what you guys think ? - let me have it

kjayhawks said:

Wow, gosh I feel terrible for Doke. Feel like hes spent over half if his time here injured now. The streak is in serious jeopardy friends. Hopefully Big David can come around quickly and by an act of God himself SDS gets cleared.

I like your train of thought for sure. - -However do you seriously deep down in your heart REALLY believe Silvio is going to be cleared to play this year? - come on now be honest.

Not only is our streak in jeopardy - -if we lose quite a few more games - well doesn't have to be dramatic - we are also at risk of falling out of the top 25 period - -breaking another streak , you think about that - you realize we have the longest streak in the Nation for being ranked in the top 25 for consective weeks ? - quite a long streak. - -It's more of a chance then what you might think

I can almost hear ALL these others teams just partying their ass off.
laughing their ass off. - -we have a really good chance now of losing many more. - When you have the combination of horrible inconsistent perimeter shooting and losing your big man 0s - -NOT GOOD - -teams now for sure every time Dedric catches the ball will be double teamed - -and they will be able to do that since no Doke and not having to respect our outside shooting. - - -I don't blame them either KU is gonna have to prove to opponents they can knock down the outside shot - this is going to force Garett into the starting line up - -and that's NO GOOD here is another reason for them to sag in - - we will be playing 4-5 the rest of the year unless he can devise another starting line up - -this season has quickly turned to crap

joeloveshawks said:

This hurts my heart for the big fella. Any chance he can redshirt this year???

Doke has played his last game for KU. - there is no way he is coming back next year - - hell he about was gone this year - - -nothing to gain for him to come back - -the way things are going for him would be a huge risk - -he is so injury prone - he comes back and the next time might injure so bad would ruin any chance of playing anymore ball anywhere - might as well go oversea's and try to pick up some money

DCHawker said:

I had to go to a dinner when we were up 29-27. Recorded the rest and just fast forwarded through the rest - wish I hadn't. I know others are trying to find a silver lining and others saying its no big deal, but really..... 24 turnovers against a team that doesn't generally create a lot of turnovers? Vick accounting for 7??? Remarkable number for someone who isn't the primary or even secondary ball handler? Losing to ISU at Hilton isn't that unexpected, but to lose by 17? ISU hadn't beaten anyway of note before today - had lost to the only two decent teams they had played (and AZ isn't that good). Shot 30% from the 3pt line - unfortunately, that appears to be consistent with how this team has shot from distance all year. Is it realistic to expect significant improvement going forward? Where or who would it come from?

With regard to the conference, there is always an overreaction to early results and any number of commentators who say this is the year that the streak ends. But it is a true fact that TTU and ISU already have good conference road wins, so they definitely have an early leg up.

KU still owns one of the best, if not the best, collection of wins of any team so far. We can beat anyone on a given night. But, the flip side is probably also true. Increasingly, teams will surround Doke or Lawson and dare our perimeter guys to beat them. The risk for them is that maybe Vick has one of his hot games, but it seems like a winning strategy to me.

THE thing is a lot of these turnovers were unforce turnovers - just reckless as hell - -when is the last time we have had a team that has had such turnover problems such as this?

KUSTEVE said:

I'm not sweating this game. We looked pretty crappy, played terrible, and got our ass handed to us. It's January 5th, folks. We looked really bad at this time last year as well, and it worked out pretty good. No doubt we have a long way to go. I'm real excited to see Grimes play well. He was pretty much the only bright spot today. Hopefully Doke will feel good enough he'll want to play for us at some point in the future, although I don't think it would've helped much today. We live to fight another day.

Sounds good. - -I would sure like for someone to show me where this team has improved for the beginning of the year. -- have they improved in their shooting ? - -- -umm NOPE - - -have they improved in ball handling - - umm - -NOPE - - have they improved on the defensive end - -especially defending the 3 ? - - -umm NOPE - - have they established a leader on this team? - - - umm NOPE - -has Doke improved on his free throw shooting - - umm NOPE - - please someone - - -Anyone please tell me where THIS team has improved on ANYTHING since the beginning of the season. -- I'll wait go ahead I'll wait - - they have improved on nothing - nothing since the beginning.

I had said this countless times - -that we have been playing with a loaded gun , most of the season - - borrowed time -- house money - -we tonight we got a glimpse of what's coming in the Big 12 play if something doesn't change.

All I hear oh well it's early - - it's early - -people relax - -well that song has been sung out. - -Non Con - - is early - -this is no longer early , you wanna keep runnin with that - then I want to smoke some of that crap you hittin on - cause - -it's go time whether you like it or not - -no more bullshit trying to twist things all around ke-ep trying to cover it up - -I mean this is real -- it is what it is.

Who here didn't realize from the get go that as soon as they found out to Doke was out - -how many didn't know that they would be doubling Dedric every time he touch the ball? - -They KNEW they could cause we can't shoot worth a tinkers dam from the outside period. - - - these guys better wake the hell up and understand it's go time boys - -this is for real -stat playing - we have YET to see this team play a complete gam 10-20 minutes of decent ball isn't gonna cut it - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

Self says it could be one game or season ending. At this point the kid has been injured more then he's available

Bill seems mad.

Protecting the goods yo

he doesn't have aby goods to protect as far as the NBA goes - - he is old man NBA - -his game in the NBA has passed him by - -he has no shot. - -we have had this discussion before - - big's now days take it out on the floor hit that mid range jumper - he might get drafted ok 0 - just to be a very limited reserve- - if he wants to continue to play - it won't be in the States.

I know it sounds bad - -BUT beginning to wonder about his toughness -his pain tolerance - Coach Self really sounded like it was a surprise - -- yet like you , he wouldn't of been the difference in this game - - Ball control - -better shooting - -THAT would be the difference in this game

kjayhawks said:

Bout the only positive thing today was seeing Q be aggressive and make some plays. Other than that, every step in AFH should hit my these guys for being lazy.

listening to post game - -and people saying it's still early need to find leaders - -Honestly - -how many can truthfully that they can seeing us really improving THAT much? - -now keep it real - -this team is just not or can't see it. - -Is there still people that think this team makes a deep run in the Tourney? - -Please convince me

We don't have to look very hard at all for this . -- - Vick - -7 turnovers - - -Lawson- -6 turnovers - - -& Dotson- -5 - - turnovers - = - -18 of our 24 turnovers - - + - 52% - - -3pt shooting- - -pretty easy not hard to figure out why the loss - - now who in here didn't know they would Double every dam time Dedric down low when he touched the ball - -he needs to stop shooting the 3 -- 17 % coming into this game

@Bwag me too

@Crimsonorblue22 The way we were playing defense - -the way we turned the ball over - wouldn't of mattered - -Arizona State - - ya - -Today no way

Texas Hawk 10 said:

Worst game by Dotson and Vick and Dedric all season.

last I heard Vick 7 turnover's - - -Dotson 5 turnover's high school ball

Kcmatt7 said:

Charlie Moore is not a D1 basketball player

So Charlie isn't - -- hmmm sure looks like he isn't the only one - with this Olay TEAM defense if that what you want o call it - -this is a TEAM LOSS - -this won't be the only time with the way this team attempts to play defense & guys jacking up shots.- - they said we were held when they said this 25 points under their average - -well ya that's an obvious statement when you have 24 turnovers - just a pathetic effort

For the one's who love those polls thinking we are getting cheated in the polls - - - - -talking about being # 1? in the polls - -- -PLEASE - -Like Bshark saying we might be the 3rd best team in the League - -& very legit chance our run in championships could be in Serio us jeopardy this year - -just stating the truth - -the proof Is in the pudding - -lots of flaws. - -Terrible defense, - - sad perimeter shooting

there is no more excuses - you can't turn this into anything positive at all - - can't try and give them an excuse - - -I mean 22 turnovers with over 7 minutes to go in the gamest played ugly ugly ball. - -You got Vick just sloppy play -WHOLE fricken team - -you just can't try and cover for them. - - -They look REALLY BAD - -and the thing is - -This WON'T be the last time.

Terrible defense - - you can see how frustrated Self is - -look at this line up - -Grimes - -- McCormack - - Moore - - -Lawson - - -ought to tell you some - -Iowa State 7-10 from the 3 in the 2nd half? - -nice defense. - - the ONE positive is Quentin coming out of his slump