Well, whatever it was, it was a good kind that leads at least to a tie for a 14th consecutive title!!!
Run Seabiscuit, Run!!!!
jaybate 1.0
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I keep remembering how much Tyshawn struggled and then how good he became, when I think about Vick I believe Vic will be come that good, too.
Just kidding!
Bate 1.0 callâs the win, but blows the margin by +13.
KU does it the old fashioned way: 44% trey balling and -5 debounding, plus some Self Defense.
Chris Beard, meet the master!!!!
Devonte, Svi and Malik lead the way!!!
Vick gets 2 in 39 minutes!
Beard over heard crying on the phone to Bob Knight! How did he do it? I canât figure it out!!!!
The 2017-18 Hawks are now part of the THE LEGACY!!!!!!
Is there more of this sort of money in basketball than football, if any?
Or is the money in basketball now a stepping stone to the money in football, if any?
Or is this somehow about getting at money in gambling and the money laundering that might go on through gambling, as reputedly occurs in Italy?
It doesnât seem clear.
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Also you are just being a realist when you talk about the boat building; that is not cynicism at all, IMHO!
A lot of lawyerâs children will likely be sent to some of the finest schools in the world, too, because of this.
But that is our system. Not cynicism.
Calling a spade a spade is NEVER cynicism IMHO.
Only cynics suggest it is.
Be of good cheer, coach. This too shall pass.
ROCK CHALK, COACH!!!
REHawk said:
@jaybate-1.0 A fair trial...by an honest judge? No way, my friend; not in 2018 USA! Just wait for the SPIN. And when evidence appears to be building toward "fair" ruling, watch for the inexplicable sudden turnabout. Talk about hundreds and thousands of corrupt dollars falling into the hands of players, family members and coaches? Just wait 'til bigtime jurisprudence gets its hand on the moneyflow. They is the peon, and eventually they is the PRINCE.
FYI, those were my opined laymanâs criteria for effective law enforcement, not assessments of how I think it may play out. I am a legal layman, so I do not feel qualified to anticipate the integrity of this particular process before hand.
I just have to leave cynicism to the cynics, as my spiritual brother on cynicism, @mayjay, does.
La de Da. La de Da, as grammie jaybate 1.0 used to say.
Rock Chalk!
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Buster 1926 said:
@jaybate-1.0 So ââ is Stumpy the target đŻ ?Could said Nike comrades possibly be next? Am watching the taped AZ vs ORSTATE match on FCSP & even with the Stump comfortably up by 12 heâs still sweating đ his butt off. Must be the immense pressure of the âGhost of Luteâ cause it ainât hot in Oregon this time of year. Ya think đ¤ ?! Tell it like it is OâJB? We search for awareness & enlightenment from the archives of great BB faith & wisdom ...
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@Buster1926, You will be wasting your search time!!! I am just a fan and a layman trying to write funny and entertain without insider knowledge about the game.
Regarding Stumpy, I kind of quit following him much after:
a.) he appeared to get so many top players so early in his career that a more experienced, more successful and ring winning Bill Self could not get; and
b.) he was unable to win a ring with all that talent.
Next, regarding this supposedly looming scandal, I try to leave law enforcement to law enforcement professionals.
And I try to remember: âconspiraciesâ and âconspiracy theoriesâ are apparently memes for suckers unless and until confirmed by those who can confirm such things.
I really canât tell whatâs going on, or why the news is coming from the paticular sources itâs coming from, especially in the apparently incremental fashion and with the apparent cliff hanger timing. It feels kind of stage-managed, but who knows?
Little about the story so far appears to add up to anything very clear to me, and when it would apparently be pretty easy to make things clear and they appear unclear, it makes me wonder sometimes, if the murkiness and curious characterizing of what is supposedly soon to be learned were intentional and stage managed to generate clicks, like some of the stories out of Washington reputedly appear at times.
This reputed investigation appears to involve the FBI and DOJ. Well, the Nunes Memo and the reputedly declassified and posted online F.I.S.A. Court finding the Nunes Memo reputedly summarizes seem to suggest elements within those outfits have been a little out of line lately, so I reckon common sense suggests we ought to be a leeeeetle wait and see-ish about things, especially regarding MSMâs portrayal of the case. MUCH of the MSM has reputedly been struggling with its objectivity vis a vis certain elements within those agencies. Itâs all rather confusing to this layman and fan.
Whatever, Iâm for cleaning up the game, when law enforcement can make and win a case with real evidence that holds up in court and that puts some real bad guys, if any, that are wrecking the greatest game ever invented, if they are found to be so doing in a fair trial by a fairly selected jury with an honest judge. I am also for paying the players based on what the market will bear, same as coaches, ADs, chancellors, NCAA officials, Media Talking heads, petroshoeco officials, agents, law enforcement officials, and lawyers for all the above. But not many seem to agree with me on paying the players legally, that is.
Rock Chalk!.
KUSTEVE said:
@Crimsonorblue22 That's what I've been wondering. He had a player that sexually assaulted a coed, and it wasn't reported to the police, and the player wasn't suspended. It has completely changed my view on Izzo.
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I feel a great awakening coming, if you are seeing Izzo more clearly.
One thing leads to another!
Rock Chalk!
Thanks so much for sharing that about SEC football. I havenât known any one on the inside of it, since the early 1970s, when it seemed to make what went on in the then Big Eight seem pretty tame.
You added a ton of focus by thinking to add âwhy basketball?â to âwhy now?â I canât answer your question, but Iâm confident finding that answer would take us very near to who is doing it and why now.
Rock Chalk!
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JayHawkFanToo said:
It does not take a long winded essay to indicate what Doke needs to improve as I posted before. First improve rebounding since he is below where he should be; he needs to know how to position himself defensibly and offensively. Develop a mid-range shot, increase endurance and improve his FT form. That was10 second of you life you are not getting back. :smile:
Where are your attack graphics?
Howling!
Yes, you have IMHO, but if you don't see it, maybe I am wrong, or maybe you aren't really watching his play very closely. He often struggles to control the ball before jamming it. I actually think a big part of his rebounding problem is a problem of controlling it. I hypothesize that his problem with controlling rebounds he cannot get to is what prompted Self to scheme the offense for him to do relatively little of the rebounding and emphasize his abilities at hedge defense outside. Self was kind of going with the flow. The opponents were going to try to draw Doke outside anyway, because he was the only big man, and combined with his trouble at controlling the ball it made sense to concentrate him on guarding the post inside and hedge defending outside and working with the perimeter guys to get them on the glass; that I believe was why we were such pitiful rebounding team early on for awhile. It took our bunch of 5 effectively combo type guards (even Svi is combo and came as a PG) a long while to learn to get on the glass the way Frank did last season. They still aren't there individually, but as a group clearing 5 apiece they get us where we need to be most games now.
Glad I can still stretch you even a little.
Because I've been getting feeble, I've been playing around with short posts for awhile, while Self worked the team through its apparent chemistry cancer. As @HighEliteMajor found, it is thankless, even when trying to do it the right way, to write apparent chemistry cancer analysis and be heard, because so many board rats recoil at the thought that the guys are human and don't like each other sometimes, or just get stuck in cliques, from time to time, or grow too naval contemplative coming off the court because of a bad play, or develop off court issues (the pot you mentioned and problems with girl friends and books and so on), or simply snap under the incredible strain of trying to play at D1 level, AND go to school, or play for a brilliant button pusher known to wear thin in practices in February, because of a stinging tongue and a long season.
But now that Self appears to have the apparent chemistry cancer in remission (it apparently likely would come back, if things were to go south in a big way now that Self has no time left to take it apart and rebuild again), everyone can get back to talking about the game and about what Self should or shouldn't be doing with the personnel he has, rather than recoiling from the thought that players are acting like human beings.
As a result, if I can muster the resources, I'll now likely get back to some posting for the stretch. So: work on your wind.
Regarding Doke's jump hook, you watch, it is the sweetest, smoothest running hook with the best arm and leg mechanics ever and he hardly uses it still because he can't put it on the floor well enough.
Its pretty obvious why he isn't shooting a J, right? The FT mechanics sure aren't conducive to generalizing.
But they will get ironed out in time, I reckon.
To shift gears a bit, one of the other reasons I have been posting less length is that to authentically deal with most interesting topics afflicting a CBB industry with its spiking Jekyll and Hyde personality, especially the apparent limited hangout and so apparently fake news scandal being orchestrated by way of apparently carefully cultivated media outlets regarding recruiting, one would have to get into who is trying to affect regime change in the CBB industry right now, and why; rather than focus on the recruiting hanky panky, which frankly is hardly news, and so has to be the distraction being used, while the players behind the scenes move in for the kill for control over the game.
I mean anyone that has read the late Murray Sperber's 1990 "College Sports, Inc." and Dan Wetzl's 2000 "Sole Influence: Basketball, Corporate Greed, and the Corruption of America's Youth," already knows this is all old news that has just been being ignored for decades.
The real question is why now?
Cui bono? from raising the story right now?
And to go there it is best to wait and see what TPTB orchestrate and who they want to reveal themselves to be, or if they wish to stay in the shadows.
I would keep an eye on one of the Big Four investment managers that get the PPT untraceable bailouts being in the Deep Background on this.
Its really appears similar in technique so far to the apparent attempt to frame Trump. It was apparent they didn't have anything on Trump from the beginning (i.e., all they had to do was ask the D-NSA and he could have given them the evidence, if there had been any, without any investigation) and that was why they needed to sell the sizzle of something (the Steele Dossier) and not the steak ( what would have been intercepts of Trump that it turned out apparently didn't exist). But it turned out the attackers had a great deal to hide and decided that the best defense was offense. Capice? As a result, Trump and his attackers wind up locked in paralyzing legal combat, while a third player swoops in and fills the vacuum and gets to exercise its agenda. Keep your eyes on the Generals and their backers. :-)
Me thinks something similar might be afoot here in the CBB industry. Lock two sides with something to lose in legal conflict, then a third swoops in and aces both of them out.
But time will tell as always.
And I do keep reading out of curiosity about a third option that I deeply hope is not in play.
I keep reading about private oligarchies in history that have used systematic, sustained demoralization to stealthily prepare a culture for subordination. In this option, all the institutions that give a nation of persons definition and confidence are called into question, and smeared with scandals, and riddled with agents provocateurs. Sports are compromised and scandalized and politicized relentlessly not only for profit, but to destroy one of the things that reassure and please a people; that give them some swagger. The goal is demoralization. The images of men and women are intentionally twisted with entertainment. Pop music and fashion industries are wielded to convey self destructive imagery, and corrosive mythologies to the pre-existing ones. Whatever the corrodes the legacy culture is invoked endlessly until consensus dies. Ugly, repressed secrets of human deviance are dredged up and exposed and repetitively connected to pre-existing orders, not to rid the culture of its deviants, or to heal and forgive them, but to make the culture doubt itself and its values and so make it more receptive to self-capitulation to the new private oligarchy orchestrating things from the wings. This happens often in history, probably more often than hot war. Woe, woe, woe is America, if this is really what were going on.
Rock Chalk!
I do not believe Doke is out of the woods yet on FT shooting and mechanics, but...
Here is why Doke had to get better in the first place and I suspect why he has been able to make the improvement he has made.
Reasons for Doke Needing to Improve:
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Basketball is not a game he grew up playing, or watching. It is not a foundation sport of his culture. He came to the game late, without a lot of imprinting from early childhood about how it is to be played. Thus, he was starting not just physically from scratch, but mentally from scratch.
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His non shooting hand/arm was severely injured last season to the point of needing a surgery that there was a possibility of never recovering full function from. He clearly does not have full function even now. Passing and catching are largely two handed activities. He struggles from time to time with catching and controlling the ball. Shooting is a two handed activity much of the time. Watch him dunk. He often struggles to control catching and directing the ball on the dunk. But fortunately he has big mits that are compensating some for the play in his left arm. The injury and surgery clearly played with his mind and he clearly was shooting free throws in the wake of the recovery in which he contorted the mechanics of his shooting hand even more. It is both unfortunate and improbable that he did not just commit to one handed FT shooting with his uninjured arm, after the injury. I infer therefore that it is likely that something is going on with his shooting arm that predates his injury to his non shooting arm. Likely as not he injured his shooting arm sometime in childhood and the residual of that injury is what leads to the peculiarly award form his shooting mechanics take now.
Reasons Doke IS Improving Quickly:
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In FT shooting, it is much easier to from lousy to mediocre than from mediocre to good, and improving from good to excellent is another order of magnitude more challenging. Doke was lousy at FT shooting. Thus, it is fairly easy for him to improve to mediocre just because the fixes from lousy to mediocre are gross cut and obvious to identify, explain, grasp and practice. The higher up you go toward FT excellence, the harder it becomes to even identify what the problem is, and the more it involves subtle changes and a lot of intuitive feel for making them.
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Doke was learning the game from scratch, and just as he was starting to get it an injury last year sidelined him and arrested his hard earned development before it could be burned into muscle memory and before the confidence could be hard wired. When he came back this season, and suddenly had to play full time with minimal backup, he had to play half to three quarters of a season just to get his floor game back to being well oiled. Any player can only focus on getting better at just so many things at any given time. Doke was having to focus on a ton of offense and defense parts of his floor game, just so the KU offense and defense could function. Doke was also having to learn lots more of the play good and develop study and practice routines for learning and mastering the scout for each game. Lastly, Doke was being asked to hedge defend outside ASAP because opposing teams were scheming to force him to. Hedge defense 23 feet out is one of the hardest things to learn and execute in real time that there is to learn on a basketball court. His hedge defense is the single most amazing aspect of his rapid development. But the point of all this is to say that Doke probably literally didn't have the time and mental processing resources available for making significant advances in FT shooting until January or February an then it took awhile for the work he was putting in to show up in game performance.
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Doke shot his FTs better early in the season and then went into a terrible slump in mid season and then had his bizarre experience with Kruger in the loss to OU. To keep it simple here, Doke has probably never had a slump before, because he was frankly too busy dunking during games and not needing to worry about FTs. To have a slump, you have to have progressed to a level of proficiency you can slump from. He arguably never reached that level. Thus, Doke had no experience with how to get out of a slump, because he had arguably never been in one. Most players by the time they are starting for KU have been through many slumps and have either an unconscious, or conscious ritual for weathering and getting out of them. Not Doke. It took him awhile to figure out how to start shooting FTs and then to get out of a slump. When he did figure it out, it seemed sudden.
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Doke has been getting better and worse and better at FT shooting every day of the season at practice and in games, but because he was so bad, we fans have grown to anticipate he will miss most of his FTAs and so really think about his FT shooting only when it precipitates a crisis of sorts. For most of us, that crisis occurred in the OU game when Kruger dorked with his mind successfully and OU won the game. At that moment, everyone on this board, and in the media, began to focus on Doke's FT shooting. Thus, when it took a turn for the better it seemed like sudden improvement, instead of part of a season long striving to improve that most of us had overlooked, because of his low FT%.
But enough about the complex of dynamics of Doke's improvements.
What I notice most about Doke is that he is a GREAT athlete.
And I mean GREAT.
He effortless does things other guys NEVER do.
Each game I marvel at how fast he transitions to the other end. He doesn't even look like he is running very hard, but even starting behind most of the other guys releasing and with farther to run, Doke still beats most of the KU players down the floor. He actually accelerates through them and passes them. Its amazing to watch. It is rare that a big man does this and I have never seen one do it almost every play. And remember that Doke is usually outrunning a 4 man perimeter of race horses that can really cover ground fast themselves. Part of it has to do with his stride length, as is the case with any big man. But the heart of it lies in how efficient and graceful he is and this is realm of great athletes that distinguishes them from ordinary athletes. They are just flipping more efficient and elegant than the rest of us.
Another thing I marvel about is this running hook of his. If he can keep developing the rest of the fundamentals of his offensive game this running hook could become one of the most devastating shots in basketball especially at the professional level, when he finds an NBA coach that grasps the strategic possibilities of scheming an offense around a running hook. Dave Cowens of the Boston Celtics shot a running hook and a 19 foot jump shot. He was only 6-9 and these moves, plus his disruptive defense and running game allowed him to lead a team to some rings. Doke will likely never play with the outward fire of Cowens, but he seems to possess the inner fire and he is an even better shot blocker. And I could actually imagine Dokes running hook getting better than Cowens. There is a shooter inside Doke that we are being distracted from because of his injured non shooting arm and his so far poor FT shooting. This guy makes 71% of his dunks. Not very many big guys can score 20 ppg on dunks alone and make roughly 70 percent of them. Its an amazing accomplishment, but its really an indicator. This guy could become a very high percentage running hook shooter, because of what a great athlete he is. As great as Embiid is, Doke is a more efficient and elegant athlete even than Joel. I don't think he can become better than Embiid, but he can become as a good in a different way. People have long underestimated how great Dave Cowens was, because he did not conform with the stereotype created by the super centers that immediately preceded and followed him. Arguably the greatest running center of all time was Bill Russell, but he never developed a good shooting touch. Walton was the most diversified running center of all time. He could do it all, but he became injured. Cowens, who was not as great of an athlete as Russell, was even better at scoring in the running center game, because he had the combo of the high post J and the running hook crossing the lane. But Cowens, not even in college, could dunk with the efficiency and frequency of Doke. What Doke needs is one more money shot to go with the running hook and his savant like dunking and he is ready for the hall of fame. He may never find it, but he is such an obviously resourceful human being, he may find such a shot, or he might even evolve the running hook to something that can be shot more places on the floor. Doke has a REAL gift for the running hook and a real touch with it. It starts, same as Cowen, with his great foot work and great efficiency and elegance in his running. But it extends all the way up through his body to his head. He doesn't use the jump hook much, but oh, my, if he stayed another year, or two, gets his FT shooting up to 65%, I could see Self running the entire offense through Doke and scheming a ton of running hook plays where Doke gets about 20 FGAs a game, about 10-12 FTAs per game, and about 6-8 assists per game from kicking out from the running hook to three point shooters, too. No college team could really defend such an offense. Most opponents would be fouled up with 8 to go in the first half. But he will probably go pro before Self can scheme around his running hook. What a pity.
The chemistry stank. He tore the team a part to fix it. He fixed it. He had the shoeer put on some sleek new shoes. He talked for hours in the stall with the horse and took the horse for a few shakedown laps. Players caught in their inner struggles to succeed refocused on the team, so as not to lose their jobs. He fine-tuned the horse with the new gate and new strategy. The team took a few games to learn to runâto run the double post AND 4-1. The horse finally got it. He put the spurs to it, relaxed the reins again and the team is running like the little big horse with the enlarged heartâSeabiscuitâlooking for a piece of War Admiral down the stretch. They are the little horse that could with three bigs as of late February. They are running out ahead of Self now. He thinks they could catch War Admiral if they donât come up lame. This is the stuff of legends.
You werenât dumb, or wrong, coach. Little big horse just finally began to run for the jockey everyone doubted could make Seabiscuit run.
Run Seabiscuit, run for all the little persons that have been beaten down, demoralized, deceived and exploited by the Deep State since 9/11.
Run Seabiscuit, RUN!!!
Prudence is a virtue.
But 15 seems prudent to me.
We only lost by 12 the first game:
shooting 23% from trey;
-15 on the glass;
-5 on TOS;
-2 on strips; and
and we played them short handed with Svi fouled up on the back end of a 2 in 4.
We are going to be rested and hitting on all cylinders.
We could own these guys in Lubbock, unless Self rests the guys for Texas at home Monday, which now that I think about it, he might do.
If KU wins the B12, the entire KU starting 5 should be first string All B12.
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If KU SHOOTS 45-50% FROM TREY, and doesnât get the 2 FTA visiting team treatment, which now appears within the opportunity set of what refs are permitted to resort to to achieve the kind of game desired by legal entertainment values, KU should win by 15.
KU was clearly better than TTech on a good shooting night without Silvio. With Silvio giving an at least possible 10/6 in reserve, KU could beat them by 20 on a good KU shooting night.
It will only be a dog fight, if KU shoots down in the low 30s. If KU blows cold below 30 it loses.
Regardless, KU holds two huge edges in every remain conference game.
- Self Defense the second time around is usually waaaaaaay more effective.
2.) Silvio letting both Doke AND Mitch play balls to walls, and the opponent knowing KU can stay big for stretches if IT HAS to.
KU will beat Tech.
KU coaches and key players know the pressure.
TTech has never felt it, much less overcome it.
KU by 15.
Me too!
This will be the greatest coaching and playing job in the face of adversity in the Self Era, if KU wins it.
Politics + Basketball = 2 swamps.
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Lies, damn lies, and Stat Greenberg!
If KU keeps getting better, Villanova will somehow have to âwinâ the national championship again.
What happened to WVU against KU means every team in the conference is just one 2 FTAs home job away from a loss, regardless of how they play.
2 FTAs in 40 minutes and you lose even shooting 50 % from trey!
Self said the conference winner would have five losses.
He sounded pretty confident.
If I were a betting alias, I would think 5 Losses were locked in.
Many if not most teams in D1 now shoot 20-30 treys per game routinely and are awarded waaaaaaay more than 2 FTAs in 40 minutes.
When was the last time a visiting team was awarded only 2 FTAs in AFH?
How many FTAs was WVU awarded in Morgantown.
Huggins is an experienced, likely HOF coach with a top notch PG with solid driving ability and above average strength. He could almost drive at will on Devonte, since DG has no backup. And he could drive into Devonte and force short treys. So you say he didnât. So why?
One way or another the two FTAs suggest some thing rotten in Denmark.
mayjay said:
@drgnslayr Excellent points. And the "how we express them" all too often results in all of us accusing each other of bad motives for having opinions that differ.
No and no.
Next.
I have been poking a lot of fun at this situation, but...
There is a young man's life involved here. His team has lost six games. He is playing not very well at all. He is probably feeling a lot of pressure. This cannot be much good for him.
A humane culture is supposed to help people succeed, not drawn them into circumstances beyond their ability to cope.
I really do feel badly for him on the level that I want all young men to make the best of themselves and have great fun playing the greatest game ever invented.
I really do hate this system of hyping kids up and then throwing them to the dogs before they know what they are doing.
I hope Trae Young gets it together. I hope the next time we play him he is playing well and we barely beat him. I really have fond memories of Durant at Texas. Competing against great players is a great privilege and very exciting. Beating a guy that has grown complete overwhelmed because he has been given the keys to a car with the wheels coming off is NOT a great memory, or a privilege. It is sad.
But I am still glad we beat the snot out of them.
Un and Done.
JayHawkFanToo said:
So, if one team has a game plan that leads to commiting fouls and the other has one that lead to not fouling, the FTs should still be balanced?
When even the sports writer from the KC Star...we are talking the KU hating KC Start... thinks Huggins has no case you have to conclude the referring was not out of the norm. Look at how many fouls WVU and KU were called until the last 8 second of the game and it is pretty much in line with the average for WVU games.
You seem to be having trouble understanding.
How many visiting teams in Allen Field House, since it opened in 1957, have been awarded only 2 FTAs in a 40 minute game?
Thanks in advance.
I haven't read a single explanation that can't be shot full of holes, so far.
So: I am looking for some historical support.
What was the last game in Allen Field House that a visiting team was awarded only 2 FTAs?
How many visiting teams since 1957, when Allen Field House opened, have been awarded only 2 FTAs?
There is no doubt in my mind that the refs should have called more than the 35 fouls they called on WVU.
What still flabbergasts me is how they called the game in such a way that KU wound up with only 2 FTAs; this I just cannot explain and ALL the explanations I have read are so easy to refute.
I just don't see how this game cannot be reviewed.
I apologize. I did not realize that. Thanks for tooting your horn. My hat is off to you! Consider yourself permanently foot noted. You should be enshrined in the basketball sports writers hall of fame for it. Free throw defense is one of the funniest ideas about basketball ever. It makes me laugh any time I see it, or use it.
Remember Trae, er, Deuce, er, Un Young?
Un Young was the guy some KU dry-washers worried might come into the Monarch of the Midlands and end his slump and go off. I even thought it was a remote possibility.
DID. NOT. HAP.
Watching Un play was a little like watching a jet airliner with a standard black box be flown remotely by joy stick override by a contractor hired by those with the most to benefit from flying planes into high-rises and federal structures, when those high rises were also rigged with 45 degree thermite burn beads and maybe a suitcase nuke in the basement (the kind that registers on a nearby seismograph). Capice?
The crash and burn of Un Young was fiery and horrific, but his crash and burn masked the vertical catastrophic collapse of the OU Sooners in their own foot prints. Un's C&B also distracted from the coaching equivalent of a mid rise, Lon Kruger, collapsing in his own foot prints on the sidelines without being struck by Un, or the OU team collapse.
For 40 minutes, Un got schooled--got his glutes beat--got his head handed to him by any Jayhawk that came near him, but especially by Devonte Graham and KU's legendary Self Defense.
On the other end of the floor--the end Un would have learned about at KU, the hapless Un got lit up--blow torched--blown by--shot over--and generally made to look like a a collapse in progress.
Let me put this in words that Un's pop, who reputedly said Bill Self was a good coach but that Bill would never let his son play the way his son was capable of, can process.
You were righter than you knew pops.
Bill Self did not let Un play the way he was capable of in the recent KU vs. Norman A&I game.
Devonte Graham also did not.
None of the other starters did either.
Hell, Fred and Teahan and Sosinski didn't.
For all I know, Cin would have hamstrung him, if Bill had called her down out of the stands.
Not even the fans let Un Young play the way he was capable.
Or maybe, just maybe, Un never was really able to play the way he was capable.
You decide.
Either way, Un's play helped KU get a step closer to its 14th consecutive conference title.
And that was SWEET!
Oh, and the score was:
KU 104
OU 74
Next.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Absolutely correct. Without context it is the same as citing the famous...or it is it infamous? 35-2 FTA numbers.
Howling!
KU 35 FTAs
WVU 2 FTAs
Keeping polishing!!!!
Are you getting repetitive stress syndrome yet?
Next!
UN it is!!!!
Barney said:
@jaybate-1.0 I would like to see Self let Marcus harass Young when he is in the game tonight.
I suspect you might get your wish fulfilled for at least a few minutes, especially if Young comes out of his slump.
If Young were, say, 6-0, or 5-11, and were being pawned off as 6-2, wouldn't it be interesting to see Self put 6-7 (or even 6-5) Young on him and tell him to shrink wrap him beyond the trey stripe and force him inside, when Mitch, or Silvio, are giving Doke a blow. OVER PLAY HIM OUTSIDE INTO HIS MID 30% 3PT RANGE EVEN WHEN HOT, AND OFFER HIM DOWN THE MIDDLE TO A WELCOMING COMMITTEE WITH HARD FOULS TO GIVE.
6-7 guys with spring and long arms, as describes Garrett, create a pretty big shadow for a 6-0 point guard. i doubt he saw much that in high school.
This stretched trey defense is one of the things I like about Garret's potential.
P.S.: And I'm getting used to this arguing about nothing technique. I've read about it a number of places. I try to see this glass half full. To wit, isn't it marvelous that our humble little site appears to be keeping up with the big online community Jones' with their paid shills and bots and their vogue of driving pointless conflict to content steer?
Howling!
Don't you just love amateurism?
I keep trying to tell you: there's a lot to be learned from data mining collective intelligence of online communities, rather than just moronically surveilling them like chipped apes with tactical flash lights.
mayjay said:
Thank you both for this lengthy exercise that has provided several moments of chuckling as you have both pretended to be arguing over precisely . . . nothing.
It was very clever of you both to agree to work together to illustrate how people get caught up in silly arguments on the Internet over a word or two while the topic at hand gets completely ignored. This is something I know I have done many times. The equivalent of, "Are you looking at me?" in and then outside a bar, minus the cue sticks and bicycle chains and dropped beers.
I feel like a new man. Thank you again!
And thank you for playing your role of conflict arbitrageur and fake judge.
I really like this game.
Oh, just kidding around, of course.
Trying to help you de-wad your wear. :-)
Great recall!!
I missed it on Marcus early.
But he has played his role and gotten better.
Any 6-7 freshman that can guard inside and out and protect most of his first year and glassvac some has accomplished a lot!
He reminds me some of 6-7 Bobby Wilkerson-the 2 guard to Quinn Buckner on some of Knights teams including the great one.
It will be interesting to see, if he bulks up to play inside more, or if he stays a 6-7 wing.
Where others focus on improving his shot, I want him to work on dribbling and upper body strength first. His shot seems to be coming along slowly on its own. A 6-7 2 guard that could bring the ball up some and be smooth at wing point initiating would be a HUGE MUA!
Like Bobby Wilkerson, his defense could really be stunning outside and his help could enable one of Selfâs great team defenses, if Self can find him the right PG.
Or he could beef up some take over Sviâs role nicely, too!
He will have a big game. He is a volume shooter. They always have big gamesâeven when they are inefficient and losing.
They need to update Grantland Rice.
âItâs not whether you win or lose./
Itâs how you showcase your game.â
If he and OU can beat KU, he and OU will be 7-8!
If not, they will be 6-9!
W&Ls just donât matter to OU now.
Its about showcasing Deuce!
Here is what I wish for.
I wish KU to win.
And I hope DG plays better than last time and everyone else plays as well.
Oh, and I hope Doke makes 8-10 FTs!
If Deuce thinks he's been being guarded and schemed against like no other guy in the country, he hasn't seen anything yet. When Self gets a second cut at Deuce, the Deuce is going to think he is a boat that got winterized with shrink wrap!
Seriously, it appears that Deuce just didn't understand how tough it gets to get looks, when college coaches with college athletes at their disposal, and lots of tape to study, and some time to prepare, get a second look at you.
In high school, Deuce was just too good not only for the players, but for the coaches, to figure out how to stop.
But in D1, they may not figure you out the first pass, but if they see you again that same season, look out.
And your own D1 coach can't really save you from much of it until the second halves of games and even then D1 coaches will throw some new wrinkle at you the second half, to off set the wrinkle your coach will give you for the second half.
Deuce is used to going out and getting his shot when he wants it.
Deuce is learning that sometimes he cannot get his shot when he wants it, and sometimes he cannot even figure out why he cannot get it.
It is enormously frustrating for young players. It always has been. It always will be. That is why one should marvel when an OAD can really perform at a high level of efficiency his freshman year.
I think very few can and I am including in this guys that WILL go on and have good pro careers.
I think Calipari briefly figured out how to avoid this vulnerability in most OAD freshman. The way Cal got around it was to have 6 to 10 OADs on the same team. He had so many of them that not even as great of a defensive coach as Self could figure out how to hamstring a whole team full of Deuce Youngs. When a team has 6-10 OADs an opposing coach with an ordinary team of seasoned 3-5 year players with maybe one OAD still doesn't have the man power to hamstring ALL of them at once.
Think about Deuce Young. If OU had 5-9 other guys just like him, there would just be too many great talents to contend with--to hamstring. You just wouldn't have enough guys to match up with all the Trae Youngs. This was Calipari's secret. And even he could not get them to the Ring but once, before the dump trucks stopped coming in such great numbers.
But just one Deuce Young on a team?
Man that's not enough.
One Deuce Young gets a full allotment of help defense and he gets frustrated sooner or later.
If one Deuce Young gets frustrated and doesn't live up to his hype in his teammates eyes they start asking what is in it for us with him show casing for the draft?
Also, its really tough for a 17-18 year old freshman, no matter how well he shoots it, to lead a group of older players into war and on an extended campaign. Sooner or later the age issue arises among young men.
I always remember Ted Owens keeping Delvy Lewis at point and starting Jo Jo White at shooting guard. Jo Jo White could have run circles around Lewis at Point Guard. But to have made Jo Jo the point guard would have been to introduce the age issue into the heart of the team's chemistry. Just because you are the best player does not necessarily make you the best team leader. There are intangibles involved. Jo Jo at the 2 was a perfect fit, because he did not have to be THE team leader except when the chips were down and the rest of the older guys knew he was the guy to be taking the shot. But otherwise, he was still the youngest guy among the starters and the one with with the least experience.
Remember Sherron hitting the team with RusRobb and Chalmers. At one point Self said Sherron was arguably the best player on the team, but Self was smart enough not to force Sherron into the position of trying to be the alpha dog over Russ Rob and Chalmers to say nothing of BRush. All those players knew just how terrific Sherron was, there was just no way, even though Sherron was a born Alpha male if there ever were one, that he was going to come in and be the daddy of Russ Robb, or Mario, or Rush. WAS. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN. Not because of talent. Not even because Sherron was not alpha enough to do it. But because the team chemistry would have been wrecked. Sherron was arguably the greatest third guard in KU history, maybe in college basketball history. And it didn't hurt him. And he went onto greatness as the alpha of 3 more teams.
Deuce got in a very tough position largely of his dad's and his own making. That team lacked a guy he could play second fiddle to. Deuce knew it. His dad knew it. Kruger knew it. But showcasing Deuce's game was apparently the most important thing to Deuce. So he apparently chose OU. He could have come to KU and played the shooting guard to Devonte's point, dazzled everyone with his game, and still gone to the pros after one season, or he could have come back as a sophomore at KU and had one INCREDIBLE season. But the showcase my game now shizzle took precedence. He went to OU to try to make the top 15 in the draft his first year. As much as OU sucks now, and as much as Deuce is falling short of his hype, the gambit will probably still pay. He probably will be in the top 15 at Nike-OU (or are they UA?), and he probably wouldn't have been Top 15 as second fiddle at adidas-KU.
And then of course there is the whole Petroshoeco issue. At OU he gets the Nike (right?) factor that seems to help so much with branding and with going high in the draft, and with getting drafted by a good franchise. And this will probably pay off for Deuce, too.
So: I get why he went to OU. It helps him get Nike treatment in the draft and branding. It helps him showcase.
But he probably doesn't become as good as he could be. He doesn't have as much fun as he could have. He doesn't get to learn from a genius. He doesn't get the KU experience in the program and on the hill and in the legacy. He doesn't get any of that. He gets to look up at the soles of some super men playing pro ball a couple years earlier while he clips an extra million, or two.
It really is about the money.
But as grammy jaybate 1.0 used to say, you make your bed, you lie in it.
No tears for the Deuce.
Playing on a 6-8 team. Losing 5 in a row. Getting schemed against by college coaches with no one else to think about but him.
That's the Sealy Posturepedic the Deuce chose.
He can sleep in it.
Head case?
Three high schools?
Partial qualifier?
Not interested. No way.
But add in the key word "transfer" to that long list and that tips the scales.
He becomes absolutely our kind of guy!!!!
Sign him now!!!!
Incredibly good news. Thanks for posting it.
Dang, I can almost buy that.
But then a little voice whispers the following in my ear.
If WVU's style of play was what triggered the 2 FTAs, why hasn't their style of play triggered any other 2 FTAs games this season? Why didn't it trigger a 2 FTA game against KU in Morgantown? Or alternatively, why hasn't their style of play triggered any 2 FTA games against other opponents on the road this season?
I agree WVU has a style of play.
They appear to play much the same way every time I watch them play KU, or anyone else.
What was it about playing KU, this one time in Allen Field House, that caused this style of play of WVU to be awarded only 2 FTAs this time, and not on other visits to Allen Field House? Or to any other basketball arena Huggins and WVU have ever played in?
I don't have any good answers for these questions.
May be you can take a cut at them.
Believe me, I want this to have been all on the up and up, so that KU honestly won the game fair and square.
But I just don't quite follow how WVU's style of play would only trigger a 2 FTA game in this one situation this one time and not any other times.