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@KUSTEVE

From the moment they signed him, and I watched his footage, I thought Preston was a potential shirt-in-the-rafters kind of a player, if he ever mastered his motor.

Apparent front end baggage plus early-issue creation plus the NBA's early drafting of bigs, mean he may not even play much at KU.

But as it stands, he is the possible difference between a very good team with an anchor big that has to go small for significant periods of games, to a ring challenger that can stay big, or small, in games against all comers all the way to April.

@BeddieKU23

Good distillation. Thx.

We are at a class of four with another possibility, or two, plus three from this past season getting eligible after sitting out a season.

How it all looks next season depends significantly, as usual, on who jumps from this season.

It could range from a long stack, to at least a short, or medium.

If the Feds stay away, we just water the garden.

News some of you can use. • Nov 20, 2017 04:39 AM

@wissox

Josh is an hard one to figure.

@HighEliteMajor

I recall neither the straight triple option nor the flex bone were ever solved defensively. They fell out of favor, because players, parents and agents decided it did not prepare players for the NFL draft, or NFL Offences. I read a quote from Barry Switzer that it was literally impossible to defend, except by repetitively cheapshotting the quarterback and fullback into injuries. He said it would work just as well in the NFL, if not for the size disparity between NFL backs an defensive line/linebackers. Even putting 250 pounders at QB and 275 pounders at fullback could not make up for to bruising NFL 325 pounders could dish out. And Switzer was clear: you had to be blindingly fast at the second and third options for it to be indefensible.

I was at KU and a classmate of wishbone QB Nolan Cromwell and strong safety Kurt Knoff. If memory serves, Cromwell and Knoff had both been d-backs the year before—easily the greatest pair of safeties in KU history. The coaches decided to change to the bone with Cromwell. Cromwell was sensational—230 rushing yard in a game only a few games into the season. The idea was to pair Cromwell’s freakish combination of strength and speed with Laverne Smith’s 4.2 40 speed for corner turning. It worked, but you have never seen a quarterback so beat up each Monday at class. Knoff, who was a fercious hitter and fierce competitor, and who played through collisions that destroyed other players, and came to class pretty banged up said he was absolutely grateful he did not have take the beatings Nolan was taking. Over time the toll the bone took on quarterbacks and fullbacks (XTReme wear and tear) seems what caused it to dead end. Fullbacks just plain had no option but to wear horse collars! Every triple option snap a fullback bellied into tackle option that meant either a head on with a tackle staying home, or a charging linebacker if the tackle stepped across to stop the fake and force the hand off. It was endless.

That said, I think your idea is great strategically both because of unfamiliarity AND INDEFENSIBILITY even without a Cromwell grade QB.

The only question is: could any coach get players to sign with KU to run the offense? That I can’t hazard an educated guess about.

But they would win at least a few games with the wishbone—it’s that hard to stop.

drgnslayr said:

Dump trucks are turning on to Naismith Drive.

That sounds ominous.

Like...

The Dump Truck Le Stat.

It’s only a wild hunch, but don’t the good guys in the FBI currently seem a little too busy with their own reputed rogue elements, and with similar reputed rogue elements in some of the 17 US intel entities, plus same at Foggy Bottom and DOJ, to stay strongly focused on a reputed D1 petroshoeco/coach bribery problem?

The recent speculation I have read is either:

a.) Sessions will try to head off a nearly failed state apparatus by having a counsel of special prosecutors investigate Special Prosecutor Mueller, Comey, Sessions, Rosenstein, Lynch, Clinton, both Podestas, Abedin, Awan, Flynn, Manafort, Kushner, Popadopolous, and a likely enormously long list of sealed indictments made and looming regarding Neocons and Neolibs tied deeply into starting our country down this slippery slope of treachery and possible treason; or

b.) Trump forces Sessions out and appoints Secretary of Labor Acosta the new Attorney General (to avoid a confrontation process) and Acosta replaces Rosenstein, Mueller and takes on active oversight of ALL investigations.

I just don’t see how the FBI could feasibly conduct business as usual right now out in the metaphorical provinces.

But I’m only a layman fan.

Rock Chalk!

The title of my post, "On Beginning to Think Constructively about KU Football," leaves me open to charges of expressing an oxymoron, but I am trying to roll up my sleeves and start somewhere on this mess that I have long avoided like the plague that KU football has been most of my lifetime.

I was a feasibility analyst once very long ago, so I am predisposed to thinking nothing is impossible, just resource constrained, while at the same time being possessed of sufficient respect for complexity and unforeseen consequence, to also think some things are not worth the resources and effort required.

So long as football appeared a certain brain wrecker, I resisted temptation to explore football rigorously. It was a moral issue, same as boxing. Its a great sport, but its morally wrong. Don't support it. But as I noted recently in another post, some evidence has come in that calls brain wrecking into some (but hardly complete) question, so to be reasonable, I think I must start to consider the heretofore unthinkable--serious analysis of how to reanimate the corpse of KU football without re-enacting something positively Lovecraftian in the doing of it; i.e., analyze without going all Herbert West.

First, everyone needs to forget about Bill Snyder and KSU; that situation is a blinder to good feasibility analysis. He was then, this is now. What is Snyder? 143?

Snyder rebuilt KSU in a prior century under circumstances essentially as unlike today, as Amos Alonzo Stagg's time was to young Bob Devaney's build of Nebraska. Snyder was at a school as unlike KU, as storming the court from applauding great performances by opponents. Both have their places, but they just do have divergent world views.

I may not be the first to note this, but it is an insight that bears constant reinforcement. Forget about Snyder and KSU. If what he did would have worked at KU, then Snyder protege Mangino would still be here, and Snyder protege AD Sheahon Zenger would already have had KU football well on the way to stability and glory, rather than the ignominy it still stews in post Mangino. Mangino was clearly on a right track, but something derailed in Mangino and in the KU culture that dismissed him, because he fell back to earth from a freakish apogee in the first place. We need to take a hard, dispassionate look and understand forensically, what derailed Mangino, and KU on Mangino, in order to find a more fitting model for rebuilding. Similarly, we need to take a hard, dispassionate look at Zenger and ask what it is about our KU culture that prevents Zenger from emulating Snyder's success as an administrator of KU football before we even begin to think about what kind of rebuilding path to follow with, or without, Zenger.

Next, if we are to seek models and techniques, organizational reforms, and personnel for how to rebuild today, we need to look to recent turnarounds in ours and other Power Conferences. We need to study them closely, then adjust for our means and expectations according to the state's population, football heritage, infrastructure, time zone and administrative acumen. There is no point emulating from rote that which we lack the capacity in resources, circumstances and administrative capacities effectively to do, unless and until we find work arounds for our shortcomings and uniquenesses.

Before proceeding, remember that a sufficiently inclusive, systematic rational feasibility analysis has by definition NEVER been conducted. How do we know? Because KU football persists in abject failure. Whatever feasibility analysis that was undertaken had to have been, itself, incompetently done--insufficiently inclusive of crucial factors and constraints. Even moderately effective feasibility analysis would have already yielded moderately effective results. Always remember: "failure" is context's way of saying: "you're not fitting with me. You're not even really trying to fit with me. You're living in denial about crucial parts of me. Wake up! Fit with me! Or I am going to keep rejecting you. And I will." Failure speaks loudly AND carries a big stick. It is denial and self interest and sunk costs among listeners that prevents it from being heard, understood, and acted wisely upon. Failure in operational realm, is the equivalent of pain in the physical realm. Failure and pain are supposed to focus our attention on inadequate fits with context that need resolution. Some failure and pain have to be borne while finding and implementing a more fitting solution, but the only rational goal is to move toward reduced failure and pain. Anything else is masochism. Screw masochism.

Rational feasibility is not a panacea of perfection. It is a rational process of iterating between identified necessary skills/resources/path and workarounds to those to find a solution that fits the existing and changing context as best can be achieved during the effort. It is a process of identifying a critical path from A to B and laying in all of the lines of communication (logistics) necessary to do and sustain what HAS TO BE DONE in order to go where you want to go.

Rational feasibility from scratch is, unfortunately, like AA, too often a last resort. But like AA, it is also usually the only reliable way out of the collective addiction to incompetencies and total failure that the fat, lazy, bungling, protected caught in denial have triggered and allowed to accrue to unavoidable levels of insolvency. America herself appears in a painful process of finding out at a national level that it has been in denial about private central banking; that private central banking does not appear to work for republic's best interests without a lot more constraints than any private central bank owners are apparently willing voluntarily to tolerate. KU, long in denial about its culture's ability to produce a respectable football program without fundamental change, has apparently begun to see through its denial in football. Sugar daddies don't know how to feasibly extricate KU football from persistent abject failure. They may even be partly responsible for perpetuating it for self interest. Neither apparently do our Chancellors or ADs, or football coaches. This is a systemic problem that requires all of the above figures that have bogged KU football down in failure to step back, admit they all suck at building a football program separately, admit they all have to find someone that actually knows something about how to solve this problem, and hire that person to undertake a rational feasibility analysis outside the spotlight, then agree that they all hang together, or hang separately, and get on with building KU a credible football program, according to a rational plan suitably broad in its recognition of constraints. I am not EVEN hinting at football excellence yet. I am talking about getting to mediocrity first but with an ambition of excellence for sure.

Next, it needs to be pointed out that at the point of total failure, morally, ethically and financially bankrupt cultures invariably resort to being saved by a person. You can disparage this and hand wring about it, but in terms of feasibility, and how reality actually works, you cannot deny that this phenomenon of the hero replays endlessly in all cases of total failure of a culture. Sometimes the heroes look in retrospect as good guys. Sometimes they seem like evil incarnate. But either way, heroes happen at these times. Why does not really matter. I prefer Admiral Bull Halsey's explanation: ""There are no great men, there are only great challenges that ordinary men are forced by circumstances to meet." Thus ordinary man Beatty could turn out to be Halsey, or he could turn out to be the fine man that Halsey relieved before Halsey did the great things he did in the Solomons Campaign of WWII. Halsey said he could not have done the things he did had not the hard work of the man before him laid the foundation. It was not false modesty. All great accomplishments come only after the foundations have been laid. Chance and fate apparently decide among the hard working, competent men and women of history, who is relieved and who arrives to fulfill the role of hero.

Whatever, since one cannot avoid the hero, as our founders well knew, one must set up all the institutions feasible to channel the selection and constraints on such persons, when they inevitably emerge, so they are not destroyed, and so they do not destroy us as well, by their own hubris. Only the well constrained hero succeeds. The rest end in tragedy.

Thus, this person is either one that combines the inevitable cult of personality with rational feasibility from scratch building on the best foundations of the legacy culture (FDR), or one that combines the cult of personality with building on the basest foundations of the legacy culture (Hitler).

KU is at such an inflection point in football, same as USA is at one in its national life.

At such points of inflection, the train of change is leaving the station no matter what. Naives get in the way of it and hope to stop it. They are run over. Fools and evil doers and terrorists try to blow it up on the way out. Sane, decent individuals have only the option to choose whether to be on it, and help engineer it, or to leave by car, or boat, or plane, and find an entirely new place to call home.

I like KU sports and have no intention of leaving them for amateur beach volley ball, or professional bowling. The train is leaving, one way or another. I am on board. Better late than never.

So: if only for increasingly feeble old @jaybate 1.0, let us compile a list of recent football turn-around successes, discuss them civilly, and see if we can help engineer this train as it leaves its current junction of long term failure.

Clearly, the leadership of KU and KUAD are baffled and so we can do no worse than they have, and will likely, if we bring fresh, unbiased, and politically and financially unencumbered thinking to the issue, find a way to clear the track ahead of obstructions and to fuel the boiler and arrive at the desired destination, where none has seemed to exist before, rather than derail and catastrophically injure KU sports and so KU basketball, too.

Rock Chalk!

What a life lol • Nov 18, 2017 02:31 AM

@jayballer54

Here is what I’m waiting for....

Lebron tries to drive on him and Embiid takes it from him in mid air.

Goes to other end, posts, calls for ball. Lebron’s man screens Joel’s man, forcing switch. Joel backs Lebron down, then goes up with Lebron challenging, and slams down nearly breaking Lebron’s arm before Lebron yanks his arm out of the way. Then we read Joel’s lips, The paint mine. Next time I break it, Mahn.”

What a life lol • Nov 18, 2017 02:21 AM

@REHawk

Has he told them about killing the lion?

Name • Nov 17, 2017 07:15 PM

Regrettably, I have to weigh in occasionally on KU football now again, because someone here recently produced a brain researcher that let's his kid play football, because some research he had done called into question the common sense and the legacy research conclusions that football was inevitably brain damaging those that play it. So, here goes.

In total rebuilding scenarios, it is almost always a two step process.

Step 1: spend several years getting up to 80-90 D1 grade players on scholarship and establishing the recruiting pipeline capable of sustaining that flow rate and building up the quality of that flow rate incrementally. During this phase, wins and losses hardly matter and are often more a matter of luck of meeting opponents when they are injured, and when your guys are not, or when you have a few unexpected diamonds in the rough show up, as occurred for Mangino, after which his fortunes started to sag back closer to a more normal development process.

Step 2: Take your 80-90 player roster and begin focusing recruiting on a few blue chippers and on acquiring cutting edge strategy on offense, or defense, that combine to take you to finishing in the top three of your conference consistently.

I don't see any sustainable shortcuts. And when you have a guy that has some sudden early success, like Mangino, you have to not be seduced into thinking it is sustainable after the lucky early diamonds in the rough graduate. Wins WILL decline after an early peak and you WILL return to the normal development cycle.

Regarding Beatty, the decision tree is pretty clear.

If Beatty continues to successfully sign more D1 grade players, so that by next season (his fourth, if I recall correctly) KU can expect to have 80-90 legitimate D1 players on hand, regardless of stage of development, then Beatty should be retained. Period. Even if he hasn't won a single game.

But if Beatty is not on track to have 80-90 legitimate D1 players on the roster by next season, then Beatty has to go NOW, because he isn't capable of accomplishing the first phase of our rebuild; i.e., getting our roster numbers up to Step 1 baseline target.

This should be a fairly easy decision to make.

Beatty should NOT be judged by his W&L statement either way.

Beatty should be judged by his recruiting; i.e., by whether he is climbing up the steep slope of recruiting to establish 80-90 D1 grade players that could be built upon, by him, or by some better coach, in Phase II of the rebuild.

Becoming good at football or basketball, without cheating to do it, is a long term process. Period.

Sorry, I cannot contribute any names to the hopper for Beatty's possible replacement, but I'm just not well-informed on college football coaching candidates these days. I'll try to knock some rust off in coming months.

I can suggest one to avoid: Charlie Weis.

Rock Chalk!

Two 5 star PGs in a single class!!!!

It feels like the drought and/or asymmetry is breaking, right?

Why is it breaking now?

What has changed?

Do we somehow owe this all to adidas thinning their own herd? Schools like UCLA have jumped to new brands. Pitino was bounced at Louisville. Is adidas now shipping all its talent from its summer game program to one destination: KU? Is this why KU is suddenly signing 2 5-star PGs in a single class? Or is there something else going on? Are we looking at a strategy change by adidas, or is it multifactorial, or all just luck of the draw.

Should we expect this to be the new norm?

Or is this a random anomaly that will not occur again for another ten years, or more?

I am so pumped up, if something has finally changed structurally and Self can finally field an 8-10 player roster full of non-transfers, non projects, non admissions challenged, and non-character challenged players.

Rock Chalk!

As everyone with a burned neural net can tell, I don't follow apparently asymmetric recruiting very closely.

I have read a lot of optimism in recent years about "the incoming class," but each season "the incoming class" has fallen significantly short of expectations, and turned out to have been characterized by one, or at most two, players that could actually play their first season in D1.

The posts here recently have seemed quite ebullient about this next "incoming class."

Are any of the experienced recruiting researchers here able to estimate any discounting factor that I should apply to current expectations, so I can formulate a reasonably adjusted expectation of what the latest "incoming class" will likely ACTUALLY do next season?

Please help me understand the difference of this "incoming class" that so distinguishes it from other recent "incoming classes."

I am not a doubter. I am a realist. What should one REALLY expect out of next season's "incoming class?"

Rock Chalk!!!

High IQ Basketball Comes To Lawrence... • Nov 17, 2017 06:17 PM

@drgnslayr

Is "basketball IQ players" a new term for 5-star freshman at the 1 and 5 that have played the game a number of years, have sound fundamentals, D1 athletic ability, and that lack admissions baggage and character issues?

Or is it a term for players like Self won with at Tulsa?

If it were the former, hallelujah!

~Self knew Preston would never play a game, but signed him to give Cal something extra to prepare for. It worked.

~The typically bumbling Yale Deep State aka Skull'n'Bones Post Doc Club, was out to discredit Kansan and D-CIA Mike Pompeo, but didn't realize he was from California and Wichita, and so not necessarily a KU-firster, but nevertheless inexplicably hacked into its own Yale Deep State controlled short-wave, mind-control antennae network in the Lawrence subnet, and MADE Billy lease a Charger; then while Billy was sleeping, switched the Kansas plates for some conspicuous Florida plate; then highjacked the black box in Billy's Charger through some Google backdoor, and made him have a fender bender. It worked, but as D-CIA Pompeo reputedly said, "Like I flipping care! Call me if its Wichita State!!! I'm busy trying to reform the Skull and Bones Intelligence Agency."

~The Lawrence chapter of the Global Illuminati sicko-cult, which took time off from sacrificial buggering of registered livestock in order to traumatize them into unleashing fight-or-flight hormones into the farm animal's bloodstreams, that are then bled and drunk in schooner glasses to give the Illuminati sicko-cult livestock buggerers their daily deviance treatments for chronic imagination dysfunction, used their voodoo that they do so well to disqualify Billy Preston with supernatural illusions brought on by Tesla long waves imported from a parallel dimension called Lovecraft Realm 911. The truth behind the insane illusion? Billy has no Charger. There are no Florida license plates. There is no Billy Preston. It is all part of a fantastic, long term illusion created to try to distract fans in the Texas-Oklahoma-Kansas Oil&Gas Conference aka the Big 12 from accusations of Bush One's sexual improprieties. It didn't work.

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

Alexander, Diallo...Preston? • Nov 17, 2017 05:17 PM

DanR said:

you can lease a brand new charger for $300/month, so maybe Billy just isn't spending his money on tattoos

PHOF

Cold vs. Colder: Cold Won!!! • Nov 17, 2017 05:02 PM

@UncleMilty

Wow! Two flipping PHOF's in a row in one thread!!!!!

Way to go, chasing lump's PHOF with another, Uncle Milty.

Cold vs. Colder: Cold Won!!! • Nov 17, 2017 05:01 PM

@wrwlumpy

That pic earns you permanent induction into the PHOF!!!!

Cold vs. Colder: Cold Won!!! • Nov 17, 2017 12:25 AM

@wissox

Too often we forget about catching the ball being a skill and the gift. Thanks for reminding us.

Alexander, Diallo...Preston? • Nov 16, 2017 10:34 PM

@mayjay

Thx.

This website lives.

Pieces of the legacy keep being passed on.

Alexander, Diallo...Preston? • Nov 16, 2017 10:23 PM

@jhawknc1

Awesome recall!!!

Thanks for being a little older than me and telling youngsters how it was.

Rock Chalk!

Alexander, Diallo...Preston? • Nov 16, 2017 08:32 PM

@mayjay et al

To talk about Wilt’s time you have to index expectations and dollars. A $60k Corvette today ranged from $2.5-4K in the 50s to early 60s. Even by the late 60s, as an ordinary student, I could pay for half my tuition, books, room and board for two semesters making $2.08/hr on a union summer job for only 2.5 months with some OT. 15 years before me, in Wilt’s time, similar wages would likely have been $1.25-1.50/hr. Doesn’t sound like much, but...

In that era, a union wage was often able to sustain a family of four with Mom staying at home in a small, blue collar neighborhood house with two bedrooms, 1 bath, and one new car and maybe one old one, while still saving for college and retirement, if the parents were thrifty. Kids borrowed the parents cars, or drove wrecks.

My point here is things could be made easily affordable by an alum giving a player a real summer job that he only clocked into and out of without actually doing the job. The rest of the time he worked out, swam, or goofed. This form of support was fairly standard for all football and basketball players From the 50s to the 70s at all the schools I ever heard of. This support was further supplemented by then significant cash sums (distributed creatively) that seem paltry for today but which had considerable purchasing power.

To put this in perspective, at the Big Eight Christmas tournament in the mid 1960s one always saw the teams in street clothes hanging around the concourse, when not playing. The players were always better dressed than most of the fans. The players wore cashmere over coats and top quality hats and Florscheim and Nunn Bush and Allen Edmonds shell cordovan shoes that were top quality in those days. Jo Jo White was the handsomest and snappiest dresser I ever saw in those days and he was from a modest St. Louis background.

I don’t have first hand knowledge of cars but it was believed by many that most players got preferred deals on leases, or loans on new or used cars from local dealer/boosters. Every athlete I ever recall could always afford a good late model Chevelle or GTO or Charger no matter how poor of a background he came from, because of the summer job income plus the willingness of boosters to accept the credit risk of a player in a way they likely would not have on an ordinary student. This was envied by regular students but never thought scandalous that I recall.

Before my time, In the 1950s, and back east, top high school players played in the Borscht Belt hotel summer leagues and reputedly made the money necessary to “afford” travel and clothing for recruiting trips AND cars. They also reputedly actually did scutt work around the hotels for pay, when they weren’t balling, talking to NBA coaches, agents, or gamblers. Wilt wrote about this time in his life in one of his books. The better players likely got the better jobs and worked less. There is a famous picture of Wilt and Red Auerbach at one of the hotels. Red reputedly mentored Wilt some during those summer leagues, but I reckon Red was scouting him both if one day he signed him, and if one day he had to coach against him. Doubt much money changed hands between coaches and players, but I suspect lots of gifts from agents and gamblers were common.

I’ve only heard rumors about Wilt at KU. My dad said in those days it was discretely assumed most players got cash gifts from alumni. But the cash was not supposed to make them independently wealthy or pave the way to a shoe contract. It was just supposed to enable the guys to have snappy cars, flashy coats, pay for travel and dates, take some ski trips and cover party expenses.

Did Wilt get more than that? Well, I reckon some more, but probably not a lot. He likely got what he would have gotten at any school not run by gamblers.

IMHO Wilt would have gotten a lot more at a school largely run by numbers racketeers.

You have to understand the different kinds of booster groups in that era.

KU sports was built largely by James Naismith and Allen schmoozing with boosters in Lawrence and KC. They are rarely described this way, but my reading suggests that the boosters came to Naismith and said if we work this amateur athletic stuff right, we can turn these games into huge money makers for the towns where the games and tourneys are held. And Naismith saw it as a way to find physical education and it’s infrastructure. Hoteliers and restaurateurs and bar owners and strip club/whore house operators, plus cab companies, and the railroads all saw sporting events as a clean, fun, popular way to spike their revenues that had several multiplier effects. Construction companies got work for arenas, stadia, and hotels. And the sports infrastructure lead to more events—boat shows, car shows, concerts etc. it all helped put a place on the map. And it helped your university and it helped the poor kids getting a shot at degrees by playing sports.

This of course lead inexorably Into involvement with machine politics and state politics and with the New Deal federal politics.

KU cannot give up football, because of the game weekend revenues generated for Lawrence. Period. Losing is profitable. Winning is more so. TV Revenue is sweet for the Chancellor, but the political support for KU football of football game day revenues is really long. But I digress.

Early in KU sports Kansas City was a Pendergast machine town backed silently by the Mellons of Pittsburgh, PA, needing to control Kansas to ensure SE Kansas coal to crack Oklahoma crude in the Mellon’s own personal state—Oklahoma. The Mellons protected KC and Kansas, and enabled KU by connecting it to Rhodes Scholarships (and so the Round Table), and Western Missouri from being overrun by the Rockefeller/Morgan folks and by Jewish and Italian mafias back east for quite awhile. A different, more provincial and local underworld flourished supplying bootleg booze to “the territories.” But by the time of FDR in the 1930s, while he first built his base on the big city machine politicians including Boss Pendergast, in control of the KC Democratic Party, FDR then later began expediently clearing his wake of the machine politicians—a political sacrifice to satisfy the increasingly stronger Jewish and Italian mafias’ desires to expand westward and to satisfy the central banker owners that enabled the eastern mafias. FDR had only briefly been able to hold off the central bankers and their eastern mafias with his unholy alliance of city machines that were 19th century legacy holdovers in the by then Anglo-American central bank centric 20th Century. And lord knows the Roosevelt’s had been no angels themselves with their Dutch and German ties.

In this context, KU sports were buffeted by this migration of power and saw their booster base evolve away from local promoters to promoters like KC banks (locally owned but increasingly creatures of central bank centrism and also of the central bank owners’ Anglo-American oil refining oligopoly dynamics. Banks and Big oil players were becoming the heart of KU boosterism even by Wilt’s time, though the good old boys in Lawrence still hustled and promoted too. .

This second and transitional phase of KU sports was what the Phenom from Phillie walked into as a young man to play for the game’s greatest non gambling assisted coach—Phog Allen. The Mellons by Wilt’s time had peeked in national oligarchic power and were in some eclipse by the Rockefeller-Morgan and Harriman folks for myriad unsightly reasons tracking back to Andrew’s dealings as SecWar in WWI. But their empire still included Pennsylvania, where Wilt grew up, Kansas, where Wilt chose to play, Western Missouri and Oklahoma, as of the late 1950s.

Wilt came to a place grounded in a boosterism different from Rockefeller-Morgan and Harriman regions of the country. It’s not that there was no corruption. Kansas has had plenty of corruption. But it was a different scale and type and descended from a different private oligarchy.

Things were done differently in Pennsylvania than the New York-Ohio axis of oligarchy did them.

Did wilt get perks? I suspect so. Muck raking books on sports make clear all schools committed to cultivating big game day revenues paid players.

Was Wilt owned by the numbers racketeers that haunted and at times appeared to control college basketball in so many other regions? I doubt it. He and his family and his mentors, like Phog Allen and Red Auerbach has wised him up to how much he stood to make if he kept their hooks out of him.

I have always argued KU has apparently been the lepper with the most fingers, not a saint.

The game was born in the YMCA. But shortly after it began to be a creature of the promoters that in the early days promoted prize fighting, theater, vice and gambling. Naismith fought to retrieve some part of the game into a more sheltered part of the economy—university amateurism. The only Eden for basketball was in Naismith’s mind, when he first thought of it. From the moment the boys tried playing it, fighting broke out and rules had to be revised. Shortly the promoters and gamblers took it over. Fortunately Naismith and some other good men shepherded part of it in another direction. But outside Eden life is a dog fight between those that love a thing and those that wish to debase it just to make a little more money. There is never a decisive winner, or loser, except when the good guys give up.

Rock Chalk!!!

Alexander, Diallo...Preston? • Nov 16, 2017 08:42 AM

@mayjay

Keen appraisal.

Deep dark cloud appearing in timely correlation with game in gambler’s Gotham with UK Defiledcats—the apparent darlings of the D1 Deep State.

Alexander, Diallo...Preston? • Nov 16, 2017 08:18 AM

@Lulufulu

Fingers crossed.

Cold vs. Colder: Cold Won!!! • Nov 16, 2017 12:53 AM

What do you do when your pre season AA PG candidate goes Pillsbury for 5 poptarts, your OAD 4 sits for car issues (?), your great perimeter shooters join The Icecapades, and UK sushi goes +8 in blocks?

Simple: guard, protect, and have everyone get on the glass, so that your footer that likes to grab not more 8-9 rpg doesn’t have to vary his routine. Oh, and play 5 guys 35-49 minutes each, cut Marcus Garrett to a bit part and give LIGHTFOOT a nano role. Bench? We don’t need no stinking bench!

It was vintage Self. Cal went back to the motel not quite sure how Self had beaten him. Oh he knew the basics: his UK players were so young they were up past their bedtimes. They think jump’n’block is team defense. They couldn’t hit spit. And so on.

But that only explains how Cal’s team of athletic foetuses lost. Not how KU won.

Short Answer: KU Self resorted to Self’s now ledendary little-of-this-pinch-of-that offense chipping away at a pyramid, which to the unfamiliar looks like magic, but to the familiar looks like Self patiently playing take-what-they-give-us-with-what-the cat dragged-in-and-didn’t-have-too-many-off -court-issues-to-play.

Defense. Defense. Defense. Even with no fouls to give.

The guy flat thrives on coaching through adversity. No Preston? No Problem! Five guys and Marcus-not-ready-for-prime-time Garrett. It was a chance for Azuibuke to learn to drag his wide load up and down the wood for 30 plus minutes. Really! This was probably the most dazzling accomplishment of any. Did Azuibuke ever play that many minutes in a serious game in his life? Doubtful. It was like watching a Sumo wrestler finish a marathon!

Self said he was proud of his guys.

Yup, sure should be.

And they of him.

@JayHawkFanToo

I think it’s a waste of time to begin posts with misinforming rhetoric implying others in this community are so naive they seek certainty, or perfection. It makes you appear an ineffectual bot. YOU CAN DO BETTER!

That clarified, I disagree that transfers are anything more than a tactical bandaid to the persistent problem of apparent recruiting asymmetry in an era when the FBI arrests a petroshoeco exec and four assistant coaches for some kind of involvement in bribery in recruiting.

@KUSTEVE

We totally agree Self is a genius and necessity is the mother of invention.

But I’m ready for a full roster of D1 players that are not transfers, decommits, diamonds in the rough, or projects.

He has proven he is the greatest coach of his generation by winning big with about half the roster talent and depth of the dump truck coaches.

He deserves a square deal BEFORE he retires.

@Blown

Yes, but they dump trucks still tip Cal more 5-stars and freshman than Self!!! He appears to have been put on a probationary diet, not fully cut off.

Good to hear you are back for another season. Rock Chalk!

BShark said:

jaybate 1.0 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Dude we’re going to sign 10% of the top 40 fat minimum this year. Simmer.

Hope u r right, but while simmering...

How many years have we heard THIS before?

How many seasons is KU away from no transfers?

Well, we've already signed 3 top 40 players and the kid announcing today is a lifelong Jayhawk fan. :coffee:

Self had to play five starters 32-39 minutes the second game of the season, because of a short roster and only one guy out. KU was playing an injury depleted UK Team of sushi that still had so much talent Cal could run an 8 man rotation that could hang in the game to the end against our starters. ☕️

bskeet said:

Not In Kansas Enymore.

PHOF

FarmerJayhawk said:

Dude we’re going to sign 10% of the top 40 fat minimum this year. Simmer.

Hope u r right, but while simmering...

How many years have we heard THIS before?

How many seasons is KU away from no transfers?

Alexander, Diallo...Preston? • Nov 15, 2017 12:12 PM

kjayhawks said:

@jaybate-1-0 whats with the negativity today? Have a better day tomorrow buddy.

Will do and back to ya.

Rock Chalk!

Alexander, Diallo...Preston? • Nov 15, 2017 04:05 AM

@wissox

Will do next game. Tonight I’m stuck in a social engagement and cheating a little here

Alexander, Diallo...Preston? • Nov 15, 2017 01:51 AM

Is Self facing a run of bad luck with reputed OAD inside players?

Or are apparent recruiting asymmetries forcing Self to gamble on signing certain OADs that are riskier than some others?

Given the failure of Alexander and Diallo to excel in the NBA, so far, it seems unlikely that Self's coaching is the cause of the unexpectedly modest performances of these players at KU.

What gives?

How the hell do they do it? How do they sign so many authentic D1 players? Do players love the humidity in Durham? Maybe its the deep snow in East Lansing?

No, I know what it is. Coach K is just a whole lot more handsome, personable, and magnetic that Coach Self. He just melts those moms hearts in a way that Coach Self just can't do.

No, I know what it is.Ratso Izzo is just a peach of a guy and just to culturally refined coming from the Upper Michigan Peninsula for Coach Self to match recruiting wits with.

No, its, its, its...

Aw, for the life of me, all I can do is shuffle my shoes and wonder what the real reason might be?

Chancellor speaks out • Nov 15, 2017 01:30 AM

@kjayhawks

For starters, let's clear up Lightfoot. He is a second tier talent that would not be signed at Duke, UNC, Kentucky, or UCLA. Period. Self was barrel scraping with Lightfoot; that is readily apparent. And now Self has to rely on Lightfoot as his first reserve, after an gimpy transfer left.

For a chaser, Self can't sign a full roster of D1 recruits without resorting to transfers, de-commits and projects. He hasn't been able to for awhile either.

Since taking the adidas checks, Self has always gotten a few highly ranked talents; that is NOT the point. Its comic that you sight a few good players, which is what you apparently get for agreeing to clip coupons with adidas, and then imply recruiting transfers is tough! Howling! Of course its tough. Because he can't sign 5-star freshman he is out their trolling with all the other majors recruiting transfers. I mean listen to yourself.

I don't know why board rats are having trouble facing this issue.

Why is it so scary to admit that he is struggling mightily with recruiting, even AFTER the FBI arrests an adidas official and four assistant coaches at different schools for engaging in bribing players to go to schools?

Why would one still assume that petroshoeco influence is some how magically limited to college basketball?

How exactly did Beatty lose the ability to recruit?

What exactly is it about Beatty walking into a recruit's house and saying, "I'm rebuilding KU from the ground up. I can guaranty you will start, or be second string, your first season and start the rest of your career, if you simply play to your potential." How does that lead to recruits saying no?

KU football recruiting appears caught up in a big, black river of recruiting with something below the surface shaping unexpected outcomes.

Beatty should be able to sign as many players as he wants. They may not be as good as the guys signing at more established programs, but there should not be any shortage of guys to sign.

Now in Self's case, he should be having to beat 5-star freshman recruits away from the field house with a stick instead of having to sign transfers, de-commits and projects. Self and KU are proven commodities in college basketball. He is in the prime of his coaching career. Pitino was just driven out of the game. Roy has been under the black cloud of Easy Gate. Coach K is geriatric. Cal has proven he really can't win big unless he has twice as much talent as opposing coaches. Izzo is the only real credible alternative to Self. Self and Izzo practically have the field to themselves right now.

But Self is enduring the third, or fourth year of having big holes in his roster.

Let's put it this way. Bill Self at the peak of his career had to start Jamari Traylor for two seasons. Give me a flipping break!!!!

And the stars Self DOES sign, like Cliff Alexander and Diallo? These guys are damaged goods even before they get there.

Self and Beatty do NOT appear to be recruiting on a level playing field.

Chancellor speaks out • Nov 14, 2017 11:36 PM

@kjayhawks

There appears something much deeper than Coach Beatty, or Zenger, triggering KU's problems.

Coach Self just entered the Hall of Fame. He is widely recognized as one of the four greatest coaches in the game today. He has won a ring, finished second, been to several Elite Eights, and won 84% of his games at KU. He has won 13 or so consecutive conference titles. But Coach Self is having trouble keeping his roster full. He only has three big men on the roster and one of them, Lightfoot, is a marginal talent and transfer, while the other, Azuibuke, was signed as a project. Worse, several of the players coming in next season are transfers. It is ludicrous what is happening to Coach Self's recruiting.

Coach Beatty came into a stark rebuilding situation, started recruiting okay, and now has seen the bottom fall out of his recruiting. Coach Beatty may, or may not be a great coach, but there has never been any dispute that he could recruit Texas. And the weakness of the University of Texas should be making his job of recruiting Texas easier, not harder. Coach Beatty could even recruit to College Station, Texas.

IMHO, there appears no more reason to infer that Coach Beatty is responsible for his recruiting woes than that Coach Self is responsible for his.

Something else appears a-foot, so to speak.

And anyone that recalls the recent FBI arrest of the adidas official and the 4 assistant basketball coaches, followed by the apparent complete lack of further arrests, or apparent lack of further coverage of the issues on which the arrests were based, has at least one possible inkling of what that something a-foot might be.

But, as with the reputed large number of sealed indictments in Washington coincident with Special Prosecutor Mueller's investigations, we will just have to wait to find out what is really going on.

As our Jayhawks ready for Kentucky in the Shoe Whore Classic, er, Champions Classic in the cradle of college basketball point shaving, er, New York, where pressitutes, er, journalists appear to often broadcast and write bet-balancing spin, as well as click and eye ball bait, I am discouraged by, er, reminded of two old bromides related to me by a long time basketball fan that were supposedly attributed to a hall of fame, Division One basketball coach, on the one hand, and a deal maker in business, on the other.

It was a Hall of Fame, D1 basketball coach that reputedly said, " If you're gonna cheat, don't get caught." (Note: I have no idea who it was.) This was supposedly one of those phrases of legacy wisdom said with a wink and wry grin in an off the record remark in response to a question about that coach's attitude toward recruiting. In hearing the second hand recounting, it appeared one of those deflecting, non admission kinds of admissions that successful persons in leadership in many walks of life appear skillful at delivering, so as to simultaneously ingratiate themselves with a little too-direct questioner and to make the questioner vaguely complicit in a corrupt system. It hinted at a kind of don't-ask-don't-tell ethic IMHO.

I increasingly suspect most D1 head basketball coaches still adhere to this bromide. Why? First, old habits die hard, don't they? In all of the old books about college basketball corruption, at least the ones I have read, written prior to our modern age, things were, shall we say, ethically challenged. Today, when our presstitutes, er, journalists simply omit all mention of corruption, whenever feasible, and often when glaringly not, the old muck raking journalists seem to on the nose. The old journalists made clear that some cheating was universal in recruiting and in keeping athletically gifted players shortchanged in the brain case eligible, and some point shaving when on involving players, referees, and coaches in games" that didn't matter." The bad guys in the old days were the ones that went above and beyond some norm of "acceptable" cheating. The sort of good guys just cheated enough to create a level playing field. The Dudley Do-Rights didn't cheat at all and took pride in building character, rather than impressive W&L Statements.

The second bromide, "Don't Cheat Too Much, or Too Little, Just Enough," is one most kids learn by the end of k-8 grade school. If you don't ever cheat, or don't at least lie at lunch that you have, the other kids view you as an untrustworthy goody-two-shoes, and they will never back you up, when you do something wrong at recess. Persons that are TOO pious and morally upright make others feel uneasy and dirty in comparison. Thus they long for the too pious and morally upright to be taken down a notch. Hence, there is an unwritten rule. Never crib too many answers from the bright student seated on your right. You don't want the teacher to keep seeing your eyes looking right, and then comparing your test answers to the student's test answers to the right of you and discovering they are the same. Put another way, you don't want to cheat so much that you appear as smart as the genius on your right. Classrooms are not supposed to be filled with geniuses. There are supposed to be normal distributions. Teachers are supposed to find the geniuses, not make them. If a teacher has too many geniuses in class, the administration gets suspicious that the teacher is grading too easy and trying to game the system him/herself. The savvy grade schooler realizes the teacher can effortlessly compare both tests, track the cheating, and can effortlessly mark his test with an F. And when he objects, the savvy teacher hammers him/her with "I saw your eyes wandering to the student on your right several times and your test answers mirror his." The savvy teacher then asks if the student wants to say anything further, or if he/she would like the teacher to schedule a meeting with his/her parents and the teacher to discuss this unfortunate issue further? At that point, the guilty student has no option but to accept the F, as a fait accompli ,and move on with the knowledge that the teacher will be checking all of the student's future tests and watching the student like a hawk. Savvy grade school students learn from this experience, or more often from witnessing the experiences of others less savvy, that the way to cheat during a test is to crib answers from the smart student next door, but to vary a few intentionally, AND glance in several directions, also, simulating moderate, unfocused insecurity. The savvy grade school student then confidently hands the effectively cheated examination into the teacher humbly, but with just enough eye contact, not too much, to let the teacher save face in thinking the student probably wasn't cheating, and then the student exits without showing hubris until outside in the hall and telling friends that he can't be sure, but he feels he did pretty good. This is the experienced, savvy way to cheat that a teacher has to honor as an aspect of academic accomplishment and polish, and that fellow students will not report a student for, because it is how they too have cheated. It is a mature recognition on the part of a grade school student that the system is corrupt, that no one is ever going to change it, because changing it would mean the higher ups would get in trouble (i.e., have to admit the corruption in their classroom), and that only a sap refuses to accept the reality of corruption in a grade school, or in Division One. Another way of putting this second bromide is that a corrupt system encourages one to show that one is smart enough to figure out how to cheat one's way to a level playing field, but not to glaring advantage, and simultaneously to consent to being compromised by the corrupt system to the point of being trusted by all the others complicit in the corrupted system.

It takes awhile for a grade school student to become savvy. It takes experience and testing the boundaries a little to find out exactly where they are. Neither school administration, nor teachers, pass out the unwritten rules to tolerated cheating; this is part of the test of grade school. One is being informally and subtlely tested to see if one is smart enough to figure them out on one's own. It is kind of like a pre-requisite one either has, or does not have.

I look forward to the KU-Kentucky game tonight as a good early test with its two highly successful teaching coaches matching wits with their two, talented rosters of student athletes. UK seems to have a little less OAD depth than usual the last few seasons, but nevertheless represents a solid challenge. KU seems to have a little more size inside than recent years and its inconspicuously typical above average array of perimeter players. KU and UK seem a little more evenly paired than other times. Self and Cal appear increasingly savvy. May the better coach and team win.

(Note: all fiction and satire. No malice.)

Who Do You Want Shooting? • Nov 14, 2017 04:12 AM

First Shot of the First Half: I want to toss it in to Azuibuke to get him untracked and to make the opponent respect his power move inside.

First Shot After First Time Out: Gotta be Malik coming off a curl screen a la Ben Mac.

Shot to Break the Other Team’s Come from Behind Momentum: Vick from 3.

Shot to Break KU Out of a Scoring Drought: Devonte driving for a short trey.

Shot to Start the Second Half: Inside to Preston to get him untracked.

First Shot After the Last TV Time Out of the Second Half with KU +3:

First Shot After the Last TV Time Out of the Second Half with KU-3: Svi off the weave because he is tough when he can drive or pop the trey.

Last Shot Of Game with KU Down One: Devonte on the drive.

Last Shot of Game with KU Down Two: Devonte from 3.

Technical Fouls: Devonte because he’s money.

Who Do You Want Shooting? • Nov 13, 2017 09:32 PM

In certain situations, plays are diagrammed to get a preferred player a good look. The player doesn't always get open and take the shot, but the play is diagrammed to make him the first option for a shot. Different match-ups and the desire to keep opponents guessing in different games can change who you choose sometimes, but there are tendencies of who you choose over a long season. This exercises is about those tendencies, not the exceptions. In picking who you want to shoot the shot, pick the guy you would tend to want to diagram the play for. You can specify the play, too, if you wish, or not. I threw in technical fouls at the end just out of curiosity to see who everyone thinks will be the money man at the FT stripe this season.

First Shot of the First Half:

First Shot After First Time Out:

Shot to Break the Other Team's Come from Behind Momentum:

Shot to Break KU Out of a Scoring Drought:

Shot to Start the Second Half:

First Shot After the Last TV Time Out of the Second Half with KU +3:

First Shot After the Last TV Time Out of the Second Half with KU-3:

Last Shot Of Game with KU Down One:

Last Shot of Game with KU Down Two:

Technical Fouls:

Jam Tray in Greece • Nov 13, 2017 04:37 PM

@mayjay

Thx for info!

Great pic of the Tray. He looks well.

If I were American intelligence, I might subsidize American athletes income abroad just to be listeners. After reading about gambling’s orchestration of Italian leagues and games there and the black and crime monies being laundered through betting on those controlled outcomes, I would think players would pick up lots of useful scuttlebutt in many countries.

4 OUT Small Ball • Nov 12, 2017 07:26 AM

@HawkChamp

Until Preston reveals a light on upstairs, KU must dread a team with two good bigs.

4 OUT Small Ball • Nov 12, 2017 07:23 AM

@HawkChamp

Vick looks more likely to back up the point than Malik.

On to Kentucky • Nov 12, 2017 07:18 AM

I predict the FBI will not charge anyone at Kentucky.

On to Kentucky • Nov 12, 2017 07:16 AM

@wissox

PHOF!

4 OUT Small Ball • Nov 11, 2017 08:52 PM

@HighEliteMajor

You are very right that this team in 4-1 can wage lightening war. Our perimeter cats are fairly long limbed. They combine quickness and straight line speed.

A crucial question seems to be can Vick spell Devonte and sustain lightening war, or does Vick have to slow it down to stay in control of the team.

Last season, Devonte could sustain whatever Frank was doing, if it were working, or down shift to something slower that would work.

What I'm asking is: is Vick and ready and able to take over the point as Devonte was last season, when Frank needed a blow?

I haven't made up my mind on that yet.

But if Vick isn't quite up for running point at lightening war speed, well, then Self could go 3-2 with Preston and Buke inside and slow things down for those spells.

4 OUT Small Ball • Nov 11, 2017 05:38 PM

Crisp tune up.

Going short this morning, like the Team went short last night with short bench. No redactions.

Name-pun distillate preceded by trending icon.

🔺🔺 Dishonte Graham

🔺🔺🔺LaDagger Vick

🔺Malik Enigman

🔴Debounder Azuibuke

🔺🔺Marcus Gluerret

🔺Svi Treykailic

🔴Mitchell Blendfoot

🔻🔻Billy Nextyear

“Haiku for Game”

Garrett playing now

Dual receptacle plan

Enter Cunliffe soon

“Game Epigram”

Billy be careful.

Bill is a hard man.

Harder than you can

Understand.

Rock Chalk!

The Man That Raised Me Passed Away Today • Nov 11, 2017 05:46 AM

@BShark

Mine never feels dead.

He’s just not within range of asking him what he thinks Self will do next, or how will the Marines handle this next assignment, or what the hell is it with the politicians in DC, or how the hell do you get that first shot off so quick and accurate when the quail flush during the point, or tell me about Allen again, or how did Grammie Jaybate 1.0 feed those hobos so many years in the Depression, or how the hell did that bass grow that much since the last retelling?

I hope yours stays alive in you the way mine does in me. It was a privilege to have known mine, and walked in his shadow for along time, and it’s been a privilege to have carried him in me since. Mine was in a lot of pain his last two years. I was greatful for god taking him and letting me carry him pain free after all he did for me. I hope it works out that way for you.

Yes, I cried hard when they came and blew taps for him and gave me the flag. But damn I had ridden on his shoulders through that graveyard. And he had told me one day I would carry him. And so I have.

All good despite the sting.

Rock Chalk!

Compare THIS to KU-MU! • Nov 11, 2017 05:28 AM

@dylans

Yeah, the Great Plains can be awesome.

Compare THIS to KU-MU! • Nov 11, 2017 05:27 AM

@JayHawkFanToo

Incredible images. Thx.

Compare THIS to KU-MU! • Nov 10, 2017 09:58 PM

@KUSTEVE

Ooooh, yes.

Also, St. Kitts at Sunset at the narrowest part of the island. Atlantic ocean on one side. Caribbean on the other. A very narrow stretch of the island, where you can quickly walk from the Atlantic to the Caribbean and back and feel the difference in the waves and the temperature.