So long as Wikileaks does not reveal the Deep State is running D1, I am happy with every season.
jaybate 1.0
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Memory Pastry!!!!!
But that doesn't mean he isn't acting like a punk with the refs.
And it appears he'll likely pay for the way he acted to the refs in the game I watched very shortly during the Carney, unless the Carney refs are under orders to let him?
Whew! Thanks for telling me. In this era, one never knows.
Yep, so is Lewis Black, but I don't see him knocking Denzel, or Clooney out of many romantic roles, or People Mag sexiest man alive contests, do you?
Let me know when you figure this out.
I was just joking about choosing John Thompson three, or is it four, over elite basketball school coaches like Bill Self in the first place ā ā not referring to Georgetown the school.
But now that you bring it up, what have you heard? Are Georgetown admissions inflexible and sharply higher for basketball players than KU, Duke, UCLA, Arizona and Kentucky? I've never looked up their admissions for basketball players. I have always assumed that they were flexible, like so many private schools are reputed to be, regarding athletes.
Glad you brought this up. Is Georgetown producing more academic all Americans than KU? This would be food for thought.
It's a joke, right?
Tremont signing with Georgetown in the first place means he could have trouble qualifying most places.
But if he can play AND qualify, sign him and save him from JT3.
Stumpy used to look like just a crooked accountant.
Now Stumpy is trying to play the part of a punk tough guy. Anyone see him taunting the referees, like he was wanting to fight them end of the UA game?
Stumpy needs a serial technical (3-4 in a row) to turn him back into a cry baby accountant.
It's amazing what humans can do!!!
@wissox but also a crazy long one for @BShark
Thx 4 that thorough update on the coaching Ferris wheel!
Add UWash? Didn't someone say Romar was a gone guy?
Last mention of this subject I said maybe Self's assistants can finally break out. No one agreed. But schools hiring all the HC's out of non elite programs that have never recruited the elite players equals nuts. Guys like Prohm have probably never even spoken to the quality of recruits that Norm and Kurtis have texted with daily for 3 years.
And Norm and Kurtis actually see daily how Self does what he does. Why copy Self second hand if you can copy him first hand?
It's true that Norm and Kurtis are older guys, but they are hard chargers! And most non elite schools fire average coaches and lose successes with in 4 years. So if Kurtis, or Norm, get long in the teeth five years from now, at least you will have a good foundation and links to the KU and Okie Baller mafias for replacement. And likely Winnahs!
UWash would be insane NOT to swallow it's pride and hire Kurtis after all the years he has stolen players from rain country. Just by hiring Kurtis they reduce packet leakage 20 percent, and he would steal guys from UCLA, too. He actually knows the players they need to recruit and with a swoosh on his soles he can't miss.
Norm? Still say he could restore Illinois' self respect, after Groce and Weber wrecked it. Great fit. Bring Snacks with him and the Illini are fixed for a smooth transition from Norm to Snacks downstream.
Do I want Self to go naked without Norm and Kurtis? No, I think Self thrives on continuity, but he now has a lot of young coaches in the pipe he could feed back in.
Whatever became of St. John's experiment with homey-made-good Chris Mullin and his side kick Mitch Richmond?
14-19 and 8th place among 10 in the "Honey, I Shrunk the Big East Conference." Just lost to Nova.
Moving the right way Chris is, but the talent isn't flocking in.
Yo, Mullie, enjoy the home cooking whilst ya can.
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Would Mitch Richmond switch Manhattans? Money talks, but Weber has zero players. And no one remembers Mitch's glory days at KSU, because KSU forgot its own legacy. If KSU were sane, which they are not, they would hire one of Kruger's assistants, or one of Huggins guys, and endure a rebuild with someone that might stay.
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MU needs to risk overdose on smart pills and commit to rebuilding its self-image, then its image to others. Everyone hates them, because they act like jerks that don't even have enough insight to know they are jerks. There is a great state waiting to be lead back to self respect, but there is a corrupt government there blocking the hall. KU proves you can survive a backwards government for decades, if you have brains in the university system, a few friends on the regents, and some sugar daddies with class. Everyone knows Missouri could be a great state again, but the classy Missourians have to stage a coup and its got to start in Columbia. They need to build a political base not to retake state government (that's clearly hopeless for now), but to occupy Columbia and MU. They have some great alumni and they need rallying to create a beachhead in Columbia. They should hire as many KU people as they can, too. Missouri attracts lots of good people to live there, like those on our august board that live there. I'm tired of hating on MIssouri the state. America is in jeopardy. We need a new coalition of states that straddles the fake red-blue divide that the neocons and Neolibs have weaponized against us all. If Missouri and Kansas can realign, then the center might hold. This is a fight for the heart, soul and future viability of USA. Kansans and Missourians don't have to like each other, but they have to go back to understanding the center has to hold. Bridging their petty differences is the true test of America right now. United we stand. Divided we fall. The red staters and the blue staters are both funded by the same private oligarchy bent on tearing USA apart. Hilary's emails and the Wikileaks make it irrefutably clear. Both parties and the media are on the same side. They want divide and conquer so they can subordinate USA to one world, central bank centrism owned and controlled by ten or twenty fortunes. All familiar with strategy know the center of anything has to hold, or all is lost. Kansas and Missouri once found a way to hold the center after 10 years of border war in the 1850s. Neither Missouri nor Kansas were pure in the 1860s, Missouri was a slave state, Kansas had slavers, but both rose above that and with Lincoln's considerable persuasion Missouri stayed in the Union. Persons forget that Kansas and Missouri over came the strife incited between them by outsiders seeking a Civil War and held the center. They must do it again and we must hope we have, or get a President who understands what Lincoln did as he took office. Got to hold Maryland, West Virgina (then northwest Virginia), Missouri, Kansas, and California. These states WERE/ARE crucial to control because they comprise the center belt east-west of geographic USA and are critical infrastructure pinchpoints that are targets of our enemies foreign and domestic. I have as much resentment of Missouri as any Kansan, but devotion to the Union then and now requires Kansans and Missourians to bridge their differences once again and put the Union first. This is not just metaphor for a sports post. Trump went to the Lincoln memorial for the inaugural for a reason. It may already be too late for Trump. He may not prevail in his quest to save the Union again. He may have been the wrong person. But like Lincoln, he can as a President only make compromise with the sides that exist. He cannot create the sides. He can only make the compromises the people make possible. Doing otherwise, he becomes a dictator instead of a President. Regardless he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that these United States are once again caught up in and imperiled by a divided and warring private oligarchy willing to tear us apart, or overthrow the great experiment in self government away, unless we the people create the options for him to compromise in the favor of union and republic.
"That these dead shall not have died in vain..."
It is so plain to me now.
Kansas and Missouri must hold.
They are the strategic hinges that hold it all together.
It's time for Kansas and Missouri to take steps, even if only symbolic ones at first.
Missouri gave us Forest Allen.
It is time for someone from the Kansas coaching tree to close the circle and lead Missouri out of the depths. Not a colonizing of Missouri basketball but a paying back and an acknowledgement of our common heritage and interdependence, troubled though it has been.
Time to heal the differences to save the UNION once again.
Rock Chalk!.
LiberaceAID!!!!
Legendary SPOOF!!!
Multi media extravaganza
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AGREED, JETHRO. IN A WEIRD WAY, IT SHOULD WORK OUR WAY, IF (AND ONLY IF) JOSH AND HIS MATES PROCESS IT CONSTRUCTIVELY (SEE ABOVE).
Uggggggggggggggggh, man, am I ever glad I never had to get the treatment from you, when I played. You must have been a wonderful coach that could really make'em feel ashamed. Jeeze, I feel shame just reading your awesome post, and I'm old fart that can't even run up and down the court anymore. Holy cow, Coach!!!!!!! Before I could type and I had to skulk around my home office looking around checking to see if anyone were watching me!!! I had to avoid looking in the mirror.
SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND I THOUGHT MOTHER JAYBATE 1.0 COULD TAKE ME DOWN IN THE SHAME CISTERN!!!!
YEEEEEEOW!!!!!!!!
Self needs to blow your post up and hang it on the practice court wall.
HELL, maybe we better have the Franklin Mint mint some medallions with your post on them that Josh and Carlton have to wear 24 hours a day around their necks until game time.
Man, Coach, I may have to become a Catholic just go to confession to get this load off me.
I'm like collateral shaming damage.
PHOF!!!
What you say adds a piece of the puzzle as @JayHawkFanToo does too. It was a little difficult for me to tell if they shoe designs were new for the tourney, or new for the season.
Thanks so much.
So: you would guess they could have feasibly thrown these uniforms and shoes together between the time KU iced the conference and the announcement?
Question: even if feasible, would you guess that is what they did, or would you guess that they did this work considerably further in advance on the expectation that it was probable KU would win the thirteenth?
Thx for the ohmmmmmmmm. I needed that. I was getting a little overstimulated from confusion. :smiley:
Your ohmmmmmmmm coupled with @sfbahawk's take cleared the signal channels and I began to process, as outlined above.
Would appreciate you and anyone else weighing in on the question I just posed above, which is easier to refer you back to, than it would be to reexplain.
Rock Chalk to all for helping the feeble old jaybate 1.0 keep hanging with the youngin's.
Ah, I get it now. Sorry about being so thick!!! I had forgotten they do this three team play in to get to eight teams in order to play an 8 team tourney in three days, right?
So THAT's why KU wasn't playing the worst team in the B12; i.e., Texas.
Instead KU was playing a 17-14 TCU team (finished 8th out of 10 in conference), which was significantly better than losing to, say a 10-21 Texas team.
Or is there still something else I am missing in how they do it?
In turn, KU's good overall record, 1st place finish and victories against Dook and UK keep it looking pretty good in comparison to UNC, Nova, Zona, and Zaga, who, for the sake of discussion, let's say do not lose their first games in their conference tournaments.
Now for a little counter factual--what if KU HAD played and lost to Texas the first game? Would that have tarnished KU enough to make KU less lustrous than UNC, Nova, Zona, and Zaga, who for the sake of discussion, would not have lost to their cellar dweller opponents?
I'm trying to get a feel here for the sensitivity in the algorithm for tournament selection. @JayHawkFanToo was right to point you that this is to some extent an algorithmic approach to seeding in the B12 Conference Tourney and such formulaic approaches can lead to some what counter intuitive outcomes.
Had the conference been big enough not to have a 3 team play in, say, a 16 team league, and had KU actually played the worst team in this hypothetical B16, would losing to the cellar dweller have likely kept KU from a 1 seed in the NCAA Tourney, or likely not have changed anything?
Thx. My bad.why didn't we play those teams?
Thx for the assist. You took a good cut at explaining it.
I have been trying to simplify this issue, as per your suggestion. Ku has a terrible loss. It lost to the worst team in its conference. According to the criteria you mention, this should be a serious problem for KU, shouldn't it?
I'm not complaining, but I sure would be if we had beaten TCU and one of the other five had lost to the worst team in their conference because one player had to sit, and they got the 1 seed in a region ahead of us.
How can that be possible? Have the Wikileaks changed the world that much?! :smile:
Hope you're on target!!!
Good news about Slick d'ville losing.
Self has ground it out in the past playing players big minutes and won, or tried to win several conference tournaments in the past. Maybe the change of the S-curve placement has caused him to decide to try to lose the first game of the tournament? What year was it dropped?
You've been right all season, so I'll go with ya on this.
There's something about those flashy new uniforms that has kept rolling around in my head ever since someone posted the link to their introduction recently.
And this wondering is not just about KU, but about all of the elite programs and the post season selection process.
And I am actually seeking out counsel from fellow board rats on this for I have no pre-conceived opinions on this issue.
KU's special uniforms were apparently introduced shortly AFTER KU iced the thirteenth B12 Conference title a week or two back , and before KU lost to TCU.
The uniform intro also indicated that KU would be getting special new shoes for March and the shoes themselves were reputedly kind of a special design beyond just the addition of some special coloration and some insignia.
So what is my point of wonder?
Could adidas design and produce special new shoes, plus a special run of uniforms, in just a few days between the time KU wins a thirteenth title, and when the introduction occurred a few days or a week later, if I recall correctly? That seems pretty fast work even on a rush order. They would have to design some prototyping molds, or CAD CAM shapers, or use some of the cool new 3-D printers, and test new shoe prototypes, and make some likely changes to fix flaws, and then I would think Self would have to have been consulted on the prototypes. I would think he would want his players to try out at least the prototype shoes to see if they were comfortable, safe, supportive and avoided giving them blisters. Then the CAD CAM files would have to be emailed to Indonesia, or China, or whereever, and then some tooling up would be required for the shoes and at the very least some new threads spools installed in the factory for the uniforms to be sewed, and well, then they would have to be flown back and then photographed for PR, and so on.
You catch my drift here, right?
It seems like these new threads and treads had to have been designed quite awhile back--well before it was known that KU would be winning its thirteenth title and getting a 1 seed, or whatever seed it turns out KU gets.
Does this suggest someone knew how the season was going to go before hand, or is it just peanuts in the budgets involved and something they just did for fun on the side.
Do you suppose they do this every season?
Or do you suppose this was just a one time cost adidas was willing to bear on a gamble that KU would win its thirteenth title?
Designing special uniforms doesn't seem such a big deal, since they went through a phase where they wanted KU to wear and market test a number of different uniforms.
But designing shoes seems a bigger commitment. Maybe they are a design that KU has already been wearing? The intro lead me to believe they were a new design.
Just curious during the down time created by the upset by TCU...those dirty rats. :smiley:
Well, you sure made me feel better.
But how can a team that won its conference but lost to the worst team in its conference, be seeded higher than five teams that won their conference and did NOT lose to the worst team in the conference?
I don't doubt you here.
I'm sure there is a way.
But how does it work?
Drop your socks and grab your brackets, people.
Name the last team to lose in the first round of its conference tourney and be selected a 1 seed in a regional. Prolly some, but I don't recall them. Does anyone else?
It's prolly pretty hard on an RPI to lose to the worst team in your conference ANY time.
You have to figure Nova, UNC, UK, UA and Zaga won their conferences and prolly will not lose to the worst team in their conferences, so they will prolly be the first five seeds. And because Dook had to play UNC twice and a tough schedule and they are EST with Rat Face with Pentagon backing, at the moment when Army generals and lower downs seem to run our gubmint, well could conceivably be 6th seed with KU SLIPPING to 7th with UCLA as the 8th seed, if Complex's accountants, market researchers and bet balancers don't tell them they need 7th to make it pencil.
Coaches have reputedly appeared to try to get "the loss" out of their teams' systems by losing a late conference game, once iced, but this could be a new experiment for Self. Do it first game of Conference T.
KU should get a 2 seed in some region.
It's all good though. 1 vs 2 seed in a region is not how they appear to weed team's out. They appear to do it with "path stacking". Path stacking works even better against a 1 seed. Path stacking kills. Path stacking appears the NCAA-Media-Gaming Complex's Russian Satan II nuclear option to rid itself of undesirable audience shares.
We can't really control path stacking. But we have been able to control for rest and healing, accidentally, or intentionally.
But it's all a mystery where!
Rock Chalk!
If we are judged by our enemies--the double Dunciad of Keitzman and Harry, fit us for the best white cowboy hats money can buy.
One qualifier: unforeseen consequences.
But you get those even if you do nothing.
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I always secretly hope we lose the first game.
Why? Because...
We get the tourney money. We get the rest. We avoid injuries.
Now, if we can just get a 2 seed in the Carney West, then we're gold for the FF.
A 1 seed any where just means entertainment values put the second sand third best EST teams in our path. An asymmetric whistle appears to do the rest.
In the West, we can stay under the radar and maybe catch the good EST team's early in a neutral whistle venue where they are despised. Then it's Self vs Stumpy and we hold a coaching edge, if we are also hot.
The only problem is: we proved how vulnerable we are, when fouled up, or injured.
We are NOT a dominant team.
We ARE a skin-of-our-teeth team.
We are a keep-it-close team.
This is 2012 from three.
Think of Josh as fouled up, or injured, instead of suspended a game.
Gulp!
We. Are. Thin. Too!
But it's Carney time.
And anyone that plays fair in a Carney is a sucker asking to get clipped at ring toss.
Self may have made not just right move for Josh's character development, and for society--he may also have made the smart move suspending Josh BEFORE an apparent Carney. .
He may have gotten this team the rest and healing it needed.
Way to go, Coach Self.
"Never give a sucker an even break!!"--Otis Criblecoblis
Or an apparent Carney operator.
I always try to mix business with pleasure, if that's what you mean.
So did I..
You've been on point about this for awhile. Kudos.
@REHawk: "Not a chance that he will avoid future problems off the court. If I am an NBA evaluator Iām beginning to feel reservations about staking a #1 or #2 draft status on this kid. Terrific player with major upside on the court, but a problem child awaiting legal issues outside the gym."
BOOM LOWERING by The Coach!
Gulp!
Watch out, Josh!
Coach's are often right about this. This part of coaches is experience AND instinct. They're like well-trained bird dogs. When they go on a hard point you've got to trust the bird is there.
Go to a therapist NOW, while you still have a chance before the SHTF.
Rock Chalk!
"There are no truths outside the Gates of Eden..."
--Bob Dylan
We don't know what really happened. We have never learned what really happened with any incident. We never will be allowed to know.
Rashamon has to be updated. Instead of a bunch persons seeing a crime a bunch of different ways, the contemporary version would be a bunch of persons not knowing what happened in a bunch of different ways!
Whatever happened, he misses a game and we have field a 6 man rotation, or play rubber knee Coleby in a 3-2 hi-LO, or Lightfoot in god knows what.
Hrrrmph!!!
Carlton Bragg? Please report to the front desk. Carlton Bragg.
Time for Carlton to experience Ball growth of both kinds!
I'm optimistic for Frank same as I was for Sherron. People forget that Sherron proved he could play for Larry Brown briefly (one 32 point game in pre season if I recall correctly) before he was wrecked by too much junk food likely from a bad gut biome and esteem issues. In my layman's opinion, if anyone knows someone that's obese the first thing they should look at is their gut biome, and only then combine exercise and diet to lean up. Frank is even springier than Sherron and faster on the fly. The NBA speeds could let Frank use his higher gears he doesn't use for D1. He would pose a real x axis matchup problem for many long NBA guards. Frank is can do. It will be tough to find an NBA coach like Phil Jackson that liked to have both long and short guards, and needs a short one. But never doubt Frank.
I know everyone has been hand wringing about him leaving, but I don't even see a slim chance of Devonte going pro.
I see Devonte moving to the point and being a candidate for POY and a mid first round draft pick. He would have to be nuts not to want to leverage off what's coming in next season. And Devonte seems like a very smart young man.
Both their big guys are typical types that "don't pass the eye test" but are better than they appear.
And we could have trouble with them if either Landen, or Bragg, get fouled up early.
But my second biggest concern about facing Alford and UCLA is that Alford would be so desperate to win a ring that he would probably be willing to listen to Bob Knight for once, since playing for him, and then Bob would skull with Coach K and then our beloved Coach Self would really be coaching against Alford, Knight AND Coach K. That's quite a brain trust to contend with.
I guess Coach Self would have to call LB and channel Phog and Henry. Who knows? Maybe Roy would even chip in with a secondary break scheme for old time's sake in this battle of the two great coaching trees.
I try to be a half full guy about Carney, er, Tourney, seeding these days.
If our path through our bracket is stacked asymmetrically against us, its bidness as usual.
If our path through our bracket is symmetric with other 1 seeds, we are likely preselected to win, so that the powers-that-appear-to-be can endure a loss leader one year to distract from the conspicuous run of EST teams, then get back to EST teams for another decade or so..
How is that for the power of positive thinking?!!!
We've got to acccccc-centuate the positive.
(Note: all fiction. No malice.)
Agreed.
But I want to add this about a matchup with UCLA.
If the game came down to those two deciding it, I am sleeping just fine with Josh.
I would rather go to war with Josh.
I reckon Self would rotate a lot of guys on Ball.
I like our chances.