Kcmatt7 said:
@JayHawkFanToo You pulled one line completely out of context. If that is what we are going to do, no sense in having a conversation.
I myself was pretty sure you meant by which path, trial or guilty plea, someone got convicted in terms of the validity of the statistics. I was actually amused that he chose to interpret it as condoning prosecutorial or police misconduct. Par for the course lately around here.
@jaybate-1.0 Re your signature Frosty Malt: I remember a 1976 Big 8 Christmas tournament game Dad and I went to where the Iowa St coach (Lynn Nance) got 3 technical fouls before they changed the rule to 2=ejection! They lost to Mizzou. Probably in Kemper, though. But we probably had a malt because we loved them.... Last game I saw with Dad. Thanks for that.
Amazing to discuss Chiefs' kicker issues without mentioning Jan Stenerud...cough cough...Miami....Christmas Day ... ahem ... two overtimes....(choking to death, expires).....
@Crimsonorblue22 FM was the Kings' leading scorer and rebounder! We got used to it, but nice to see if NBA fans take note.
In addition, Mario was the Grizzlies leading scorer with 19 in their win, and Perry led the Sydney team with 19 in their loss.
@JayHawkFanToo All too often, unfortunately, we manage to get (federal and state) people who use these positions to become public embarrassments. We need a statute for that.
@Crimsonorblue22 Much better eatin', I say!
@justanotherfan But video guys won't last very long if their evaluations are unreliable due to being skewed. Imagine if a coach has to waste time looking at 3 guys "sponsored" by a single company, none of whom are considered by other schools to be special, and meanwhile misses out on available players who everyone thinks are better. Sayonara, baby! I think the return on investment here makes it unlikely that amounts paid to these types of guys would be more than the equivalent of "tips."
@BShark I am sure that there are many historical tweets from the Prez calling for boycotts of these products. I just seem to have missed them.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I decided to look it up. There is a discussion in #8 in the following article of how the different polls' timing caused all types of issues for AP especially, leading to the eventual change to after the bowls.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I forgot about that timing.
@HighEliteMajor Before the fb playoffs, teams first got airdropped into a single playoff (bowl) game, where a team had the chance for putting a nice cap on their season. So, then a champion would be simply declared based on season plus a single game. And there were two major polls declaring fb champions in a number of years, and they were sometimes different, expanding the possibilities further!
KU could really clean up with a system of season + one.
@jaybate-1.0 The actual objective is to keep someone the players are familiar with, whose approach is unlikely to require major adjustments by the players, and to thus keep the players from transferring out.
DoubleDD said:
Why would you chose to protest something that represents those that have giving their lives so you can protest?
Answer that question? @mayjay
For a different perspective, see how this veteran discusses why seeing people kneeling in protest feels like it is a tribute to his service:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/one-sacrificed-stop-using-anti-take-knee-argument/ ā
@approxinfinity "tell them Stephen A Smith is the most annoying man on the planet and Iād rather chug castor oil than hear him talk.
Alex B: Alright, I will make a note of these comments in the feedback report for you as well."
I would have thought they would say the feedback box on that issue was already full and overflowing!
@Crimsonorblue22 Everybody enjoying him? Did they pump in laughing gas?
JayHawkFanToo said:
Kids like this? What is wrong with them?...maybe it's just me.
Not just you. Something we agree on! Next thing you know, we will see world peace, the end of disease and hunger, and snowballs down in you-know-where!
@DoubleDD You have made it very clear that it doesn't make sense to you. That is what happens when people protest--they are trying to create enough controversy to draw attention to something, and some people are more upset about the means of protest than the problem provoking it. Just accept the fact that the flag does not always connote reverent feelings in some people who feel it has been used to excuse trampling other people's hopes and dreams. I am someone who does not approve of protesting this way, but I understand it.
All you have to understand is that not everybody feels the way you do.
@JayHawkFanToo Not a correction, but just an idea: giving secret money to a student athlete could be considered participating in a criminal conspiracy by aiding him (men's bb for this) in committing fraud against the school, the NCAA, the conference, and other schools by depriving all those parties of a fair sports competition. It also subjects the school to potential risks of financial deprivation and disqualification that the donor would know the school is unwilling to assume and has taken numerous affirmative steps to avoid.
I would feel very comfortable in bringing a charge like that assuming that the student athlete has signed documents promising not to do things like this, and that the donor knows or has reason to know this. It would be similar to inducing another to commit fraud--which is what we usually just simplify by calling it bribery, but that may be too encompassing.
Again, off the cuff answer but I am sure it is never as simple as saying, hey, I had no obligation to keep that guy honest!
Like you said, it might be possible also to bring this as a civil suit. There used to be lawsuits associated with divorces where a betrayed spouse could sue the mistress (staying with just the guys in this post) for alienation of affection--basically a tort based on inducing someone to violate a contract of marriage. I am surprised we haven't seen more cases where schools hit with sanctions for illegal benefits to athletes sue boosters for actions leading to sanctions.
@wrwlumpy Wouldn't you love to see a James Earl Jones monologue on what Basketball means to us all?
@RockkChalkk "Who are you responding to? :laughing: "
Good point! Here in th' South, though, we just say "y'all" and it covers all possibilities.
I am having a hard time figuring out which posts are being responded to when there is just a name and no quote or specific player mentioned since we have multiple parallel posts from multiple posters about multiple players! Can y'all at least include the kid's name rather than just "he"? Thanks!
@JayHawkFanToo Whoa, you figured that out 5 days later? Did I say otherwise? Yes, I must have tried to hide something by calling attention to him! Is there any post you don't try to correct?
My point, since you missed it just as you were totally blind to @justanotherfan's first post, is that I liked what he did. He knelt with his players. There was absolutely no other reason to do it except to show respect for the players' right to protest. Then when standing he locked arms with his players, showing the unity between them and him despite the President's diatribe trying to tell owners what to do. That was the point of the rest of my post (thought I'd help you out here).
And yes, they stood for the anthem. A classy move, I thought. And still got booed for locking arms and for having knelt before. What does that tell you about the people condemning the protestors?
@KUSTEVE Aw, shucks, thank. But I just have lots of time to read. No guarantees on the total accuracy of my off-the-cuff wacko legal theories!
How about a scheme whereby the proceeds from named jerseys and autographed balls and jerseys are put in trust with a 3rd party investment company (independent trustee), and then each year distributed to the athletes who are leaving. Have a system that allocates each kid some percent of his share of the yearly distribution according to the time spent there: graduates and 4 year nongrads get 1p0% of their total accumulation, 3rd years get 75%, 2nd get 50, and people leaving after one year get 25%.
Obviously violates NCAA rules and Title 7, but back in HS debate we always had a plank of our Affirmative plans that said "All legislative changes needed to implement the Plan will be adopted."
Hmmm...I like Bilas. Go figure.
I would like to see schools agree to simply pay their coaches what they think they are worth rather than relying on shoe companies to put the icing on top. Every school should agree to an exclusive apparel deal if they want it, and the schools should not be taking cash. The cash part of these contracts makes no sense--what do the companies get except access and the ability to say they sponsor ABC Univ? The access side lends itself directly to unethical arrangements.
Ok, enough fantasy. Back in the real world...
@approxinfinity Well, I have more suspicions about why they have no taps of these conversations with so many others backed by taps. We can't say that it makes perfect sense for HCBS to have Adidas help steer Zion but it must have been corrupt for Pitino to have talked to the crooked exec from the same company.
On further reading, yes, they are charging "honest services" fraud under federal law. Seems to me they will need to prove a fiduciary relationship between the athletes and ass't coaches, unless the federal aid to schools involves some type of prohibition on employees receiving income undisclosed to the school or something. Look it up on Google for an extensive discussion.
@jaybate-1.0 Still enough for your Escalade.
@approxinfinity Religion, too after too much tailgating, but it might be on both knees and involve the porcelain god.
@HighEliteMajor An interesting point. Similar to the cases where politicians or public officials are alleged to have accepted money and are charged not with accepting bribes but with "breach of trust". The underlying theory is that the officials deprive their constituents, or agencies, or whatever, of their genuine independence of judgment, etc. A lot of judges have rejected the theory as too tenuous--they say acceptance of bribes have to be connected to a specific act or acts.
One explanation of these charges that I saw says that it is based on a theory of fraudulently depriving the athletes of advice that is based on independent judgment exercised by someone in a position of special trust.
I think the theory if based on that falls apart if the money is shared by the athlete since disclosure of any financial recompense usually cures isues of biased judgment.
I will have to read the charging papers more closely to see how this issue isn't a problem.
@drgnslayr Professional investigators have subpoena authority and other clubs to wield to compel evidence from non-bb participants. NCAA can bluster but end up looking silly because they cannot get bank records and if a target leaves a school they are stuck. Reggie Bush, Cam Newton, Cliff, ....
approxinfinity said:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Jim Gatto's new shoe affiliation: https://www.bobbarker.com/products.html ā
PHOF times 10!
Maybe they bring in Larry Brown as interim coach to ensure a squeaky clean probationary period for UL. After all he has lots of experience.
At being interim, I mean. Squeaky clean? Well, not so much.
@ParisHawk Do scholarship players have to fill out financial aid forms, even pro forma? I had to (and my annoyed Dad did, also) to receive a minimal $100 honorary scholarship even tho we were not asking for anything needs-based.
If so, maybe there could be charges for unreported assets--if federal or state, unsure.
@JayHawkFanToo I was just aware because we bought our standard model Toyota Sienna van new in 2012 for over $30k. Had we known about the sale on Escalades....
@jaybate-1.0 Cute! But a little detail: Unfortunately you are using current prices for used Escalades. 2012s sold new for upwards of $60k.
@BeddieKU23 Good idea! But a thought here.... Did the CIA ever consider an exploding coffee cup with "Numero Uno Dictator" or "I hate USA" on it for Fidel? Seems like it could have been an entire product line and made it easier to deal with Gaddafi, Khomeini, Saddaam, and so many others. The T-shirts could have itch powder.
Heck, forget the exploding version. How about a certain Leader drinking from a "Make America Glow Again" cup (delivered by Rodman to Rocket Man) with a handle that conveniently breaks to dump hot tea all over his lap?
I don't know if this article has been posted, but some have mentioned that indicted Lamont Evans from OkState
was an ass't coach at S Carolina previously. He left in April 2016. Here is the local paper's discussion of Evans and more specifics regarding the allegations against him:
Interestingly, he is quoted as leaving SC for OSt because of more lucrative corruption opportunities. Does ESPN or US News rate colleges on a scale for that?
NCAA must be having parties galore. For years they have been hampered by not having subpoena power. Riding on FBI's back must be quite exciting. Like 2001's Star Baby, they are watching all the bombs explode and thinking, "Where to begin?"
@bskeet Don't recruits get things like shoes on visits?
@BeddieKU23 @jayballer54
Pin the tail on the turtle.
Incidentally, UMd people who are so excited seem to forget that the original Fab 5 did not ever win a NC, and eventually the school was put on probation for NCAA violations. Sure, go for it, Maryland! (To be fair, I don't see Turgeon as countenancing anything bad, but as Coach Calimari knows, you can get into all types of trouble when players feel entitled to cheat.)
@JayHawkFanToo No, I just live here in Zion's state and posted about USC's history like 40 times in the past 2 years. So obviously my opinion on this possibility is ill-informed. Thanks for setting me straight!
Think I'm with Jerry Jones, who knelt tonite, on this one instead of the Prez. But heck, why should a team owner set his own policy about what the team members can do on his time while collecting his money? Any number of millions of Americans seem to think they should decide. The owners decided to allow it, it is their business, no one getting fired. Move along.
@BShark I agree about the 2012 grit. Swagger only goes so far, though, before it can backfire. Or it can reflect arrogance, which becomes confusion and discombobulation after a quick punch in the mouth. VCU appreciated the Morii swagger very much.
@justanotherfan Sometimes big bulky guys appear less strong in games than they are because they tend to be watched really closely by refs expecting fouls, and they let some contact cause a bit of backing away. I think as he gets used to being 15% lighter and as he gets coached on how to be lithe as well as strong, he will be able to use that strength to huge advantage. Udoka will do that this year, and showed a bit of a window on that in Italy.
@JayHawkFanToo I might be happier about S Carolina, close to him and off of a F4 year.
@BeddieKU23 Sometimes maybe the Mom wants to keep her baby in check. Of course, as with Cliff, once in a while, it would be best if the athlete could keep Mom in check!
@BeddieKU23 Think of it as the last time Mom might be able to be a big part of his life. These kids have already lived a life different from what other HS kids have. I am only saying it is legit for parents to express their wishes, too. "Family over everything" doesn't only apply to teams. Somehow I think Zion will be successful wherever he wants to go. Let's not be like UK fans and start acting like there is something wrong with the priorities of players who consider going somewhere else.
@BeddieKU23 Well, for one thing, not all mothers can move to Lawrence to see their kids play. I think being able to see your kid prove himself on a national stage would be pretty important to most parents. Everyone else gets to weigh in. Why not mothers?