@Kcmatt7 According to this article, managers are not allowed by the NCAA to participate in drills or practice with the team:
http://work.chron.com/college-basketball-manager-requirements-19388.html ↗
I think the rules in general are set up to discourage the type of work-arounds you are envisioning!
@JayHawkFanToo @wissox @Fightsongwriter
Ok, go again to the numbers. As analyzed by the Syracuse guy, we got 6 more pts by putbacks after missed FTs. As noted, this put us on a par with Syracuse's FT efficiency, but who cares about that? To determine if it had an undue effect on the game, you have to compare it to KU's ability as demonstrated throughout the season.
Doing this, we can see that if we had made the season average 63%, we would have had some 19 pts from FTs instead of 12, plus possibly 1 or 2 more due to missing those two first ends of 1 & 1 opportunities. That is a variance of 7 to 9 more pts than we scored, or more than the 6 Mr Syracuse credited arose from our misses. Even at 7 more from FTs--the low end of our average and even assuming that we missed the two bonus opportunities--, that last shot might have gone inside instead of a desperation 3 ptr to tie. That would have meant 5 possible players to take it. Anyone thinking that doesn't change the possible outcomes significantly is short-sighted.
Sure, other things mattered, but to fail so abysmally in the only uncontested scoring situation in sports, and thus in the only facet of the game solely within our own control, absolutely has to be most significant element in analyzing where KU lost the game.
As to the possible positive psychological effects of making a putback off of a missed FT, I would hazard a guess that missing so many more FTs than you make would cause teams to stop going inside hoping to get to the line. Might even explain all those missed 3 point attempts. By my calculations, we attempted 5 more in that game (33% more) than we averaged per game for the year.
@Kcmatt7 Pretty sure they couldn't practice with the team or make use of ADept facilities unless on the squad.
@Kcmatt7 The discussion of Whitman should prob go to the other thread.
HighEliteMajor said:
@Kcmatt7 I like per 40 analysis ... posted a lot of that stuff over the years. It was particularly insightful with Diallo and Alexander. Others reacted quite negatively to the comparisons.
I remember the discussions. I think the biggest problem is if the 40/per stats are based on sample sizes under, say, 10-13 min per game. A guy can come in and really skew his numbers by being able to average 4 pts and 2 rebs in an average 6 minutes for 4 or 5 games, but might get no more than that every time he got extended minutes. I.e., can score in spurts but no distance on his motor.
The value to the stat is still there, but I think it is limited to comparing people whose actual game minutes are similar.
@dylans That first video is very encouraging. Agility, finishing through contact with either hand, power dunks, spin moves to either side, and no stone hands. I think we will be quite happy.
I realize this is only a highlight tape, and it doesn't show what he can do on D, but the first several plays were against Duke and Louisville. Not like the Conner F highlight reel from HS that got me excited where he shot the lights out in uncontested situations.
@approxinfinity Oh, yeah. Kinda liked the Wave, though, back when it was not choreographed for cameras. (Crowds mugging for cameras have ruined sports....just kidding, but it is annoying!)
In the analysis I quote above relayed by Newell, the issue is distilled to whether 6 points made after missed FTs negated the overall effect of missing so many. But I think the conclusion is flawed because it ignores the psychological effect of missing those FTs, and the fact that more misses occurred in the 2nd half.
@Fightsongwriter @JayHawkFanToo
Here is an LJW article in 2010 by Jesse Newell discussing the "study" that was actually done by a Syracuse fan (comments at end are Newell's):
Free throws didn't cost Kansas the 2003 NCAA championship: A convincing argument
Posted by Jesse Newell
February 24, 2010 at 12:25 p.m.
I was perusing through KenPom.com on Tuesday (imagine that) and stumbled across something I thought was extremely interesting.
As most everyone around here knows, Kansas went 12-for-30 from the free-throw line in the 2003 national championship game against Syracuse, with the Orangemen going on to win the game, 81-78.
KU made just four of 17 free throws in the second half (23.5 percent), an occurrence that Ken Pomeroy himself later said that, based on chance, had a less than one in 1,000 chance of happening taking into account the 63.3 percent free-throw percentage of KU's shooters coming into the game.
Naturally, everyone blamed KU's poor free-throw shooting for the loss. It seemed obvious to do so.
Chris Bowers has another take on the game. And I think it might just change your opinion on how that championship game was won/lost.
I emailed Chris, and he agreed to let me re-post part of an email he sent to Ken Pomeroy last week. His words are in italics below.
As a Syracuse fan, the idea that Kansas choked always bugged me. Not only does it feels like a swipe at the legitimacy Syracuse’s title, but the numbers don’t hold up. Surprising though it may be, Kansas was actually more efficient from the free throw line than Syracuse that night. Take a look at the play-by-play and box score here. (Links in original)
Kansas went 12-30 from the line, and missed the front end of 2 one-and-ones. Effectively, that is 12-32. However, Kansas also scored 6 points via offensive rebounds on their missed free throws. So, effectively, Kansas produced 18 points from 32 free throw attempts.
Syracuse went 10-17 from the line. They also missed the front end of 1 one-and-one, and scored zero points from offensive rebounds on missed free throws. So, effectively, Syracuse produced 10 points from 18 free throw attempts.
Kansas: 18-32 for an efficiency rate of 0.5625 per free throw Syracuse: 10-18 for an efficiency rate of 0.5556 per free throw
Thus, Kansas was actually slightly more efficient in terms of effective points per free throw attempt than Syracuse.
The 2003 national title game was actually won and lost at the three-point line, not the free throw line. Syracuse shot 11-18 beyond the arc, while Kansas went only 4-20. Whether or not you consider that to be luck might be another matter. However, as a Syracuse fan and a number cruncher, I feel a lot more comfortable discussing Syracuse’s timely three-point shooting than the illusion of Kansas choking from the line.
I went back through the box score, and Chris' numbers hold up.
As Chris said in his email to me, "I really think it was about the 3's, not the free throws. People just like to blame free throws because, well, everyone likes to blame free throws."
Thanks to Chris' analysis, I'm already re-thinking my own thoughts on the game that I thought I knew well.
@Kcmatt7 "It could be possible for Whitman to be on an Academic Scholarship."
I don't think so unless there are some highly unusual circumstances we don't know about. This article examines when schools can give academic scholarships to athletes. Way too long and complicated to summarize, so you should read it and maybe you will understand it better than I did!
http://diycollegerankings.com/can-college-athletes-receive-athletic-academic-scholarships/6267/ ↗
@JayHawkFanToo Once I started with CD's, I gave up my turntable. Lugged those damned records around through 14 moves without ever playing them. Some things are hard to give up.
As for nostalgic, I would love if baseball games went back to having fun without all that incessant blaring!
California, William & Mary, Texas, KC, Memphis.... I guess we won't ever worry about reading a post questioning whether HCBS is recruiting the whole country!
@Kcmatt7 I wonder how coaches feel about team managers making comments about what they hear and see?
@HighEliteMajor Correct.
Hawk8086 said:
@Blown I had seen the same analysis.........which matched my thoughts as I watched the game. The math made sense. But, as you point out, if you change one thing, you don't know what would have happened in another scenario. My take.........the missed FTs did not necessarily cause the loss.
But missing a bunch of FTs and hoping it doesn't matter is certainly not a proven recipe for success...
@jayballer54 I thought you brought up some very important facts that underlie this issue, even though facts are not important to people with hardened stereotyped views of gender. And your experience is instructive, so I appreciate you bringing it up.
wissox said:
@bskeet I just read an east coast biased article and it made no mention of Kansas. It almost seemed as if he'd forgotten his KU days because he was thanking all sorts of people related to his NBA career.
Well, the occasion was his retirement from the NBA, not from his life, or even all things basketball related as far as we know.
@HighEliteMajor says to @jayballer54 "What baffles me more is an up vote on your post."
I did it! And happily so.
@brooksmd Gave them to Goodwill. Half were my mothers, old Guy Lombardo, Broadway, and things like that (no mint conditions). Mine were all showing signs of about 10 years of nonstop play on stacking turntable. I might have gotten more if I sold them but I just don't have the patience!
@justanotherfan Frank is a perfect 2nd round type, IMO. High possible ceiling, but no need to keep paying him via guaranteed contract if he doesn't pan out.
@wissox Got rid of 300 LPs last week. I was nostalgic but not enough to actually play them for over 35 years. Maybe that put me in a mood!
@approxinfinity @wissox And dammit, we should still have a 5 cent cigar, and newsstands, and stand-alone radios with all those great serials! And tape cassettes in answering machines so you can save them. What's the world coming to nowadays?
:anguished:
@JayHawkFanToo This post goes into your personal Hall of Fame. Mostly for providing a much needed sense of perspective, but also for spelling and using "faze" correctly--a lost art here in Web-land.
Lulufulu said:
Did Len Dawson get drafted by KC?
No, I think he got drafted in 1957 by Pittsburgh, then traded to Cleveland a couple years later. Unsuccessful in 5 years with those teams (total of about 200 yds passing and 2 tds). Released by Cleveland, he signed with the Dallas Texans of the old AFL, who moved to KC. The rest is history--quite a roundabout route to the H of F!
http://m.kusports.com/news/2017/apr/29/ku-junior-svi-mykhailiuk-invited-nba-combine/ ↗
Along with Josh & Frank
@HighEliteMajor FYI, I did not intend my sarcastic comment about Mixton being a press "victim" to be an inference about your first comment. I was trying to post an add-on to my first comment immediately after writing it, and two other posts slipped between my two. I only saw yours when I came back to the topic later.
Additional info: Based on this October 2016 incident, the "victim of unfair press" Mixon may not be such a changed man after all. He was suspended a game for this one:
Joe Mixon was so frustrated with a parking citation that he tore up the ticket in front of the parking attendant and threw it at the parking attendant.
Mixon reportedly approached the parking attendant right after the citation was written.
"Don't put that shi*t in my face," Mixon told the attendant, the incident report states.
Mixon then ripped the citation in half and threw it at the parking attendant.
According to the incident report, the torn pieces hit the parking attendant in the face.
Mixon then got into his vehicle and "inched at the officer with vehicle in drive to intimidate the officer with vehicle," the report details.
“I regret that I did not respond appropriately to parking attendants and understand and accept the consequences,” Mixon said in a statement earlier this week.
@jayballer54 As far as I am concerned, no problem with that choice. If they didn't show it, people would have accused ESPN of glossing it over. Lots of fans want their teams to avoid players with abuse histories, and stats about abusers tend to indicate that such things get repeated in the future. In the old days, athletes got away with almost everything. Nowadays, that is being corrected, but of course more slowly at Baylor.
Prepare yourself for the Josh Jackson charges to be brought up on NBA draft night. People earn their notoriety for things like this. It is up to him to earn a more positive rep in the future.
@jaybate-1.0 Are you thinking about transfer Conner Frankamp instead of 5 year Conner Teahan?
@JayHawkFanToo KU has underperformed? Or UK?
@approxinfinity @dylans Yay!
@approxinfinity I agree with @dylans. The quick reply was handy!
nuleafjhawk said:
@wrwlumpy I just got a Headline, a blank page and some golf advertisements. No article.....
Same here. Are you on an Android phone with a Chrome browser? It might require a plug in not compatible with Android/Chrome.
I just discovered that a quick tap on the vote button brings up a list of everyone who has upvoted but also has a place to list everyone who has downvoted. Can we downvote now?
@approxinfinity What do the colored dots on the avatars mean?
@Kcmatt7 Now I am the one saying, "Why didn't I think of that?"
@Crimsonorblue22 The box lets you just start typing away. The "Post quick reply" executes it, key word being "Post". Perhaps the blank box should have [Enter text here] that disappears when overwritten.
I figured out because of pure stubbornness: I figured something had to work that would be quicker than regular reply. And then I figured that box had to be there for something!
@dylans & @approxinfinity Yes, it solves the reading back problem if you scroll outside the compose box for quick reply. BUT I notice the composing command menu is not available! I accidentally discovered that a stand-alone colon brings up the emoji list as a popup. There might be key commands for bold, italic, embed picture, etc hut I don't know about that.
Oh--edit: you can hit "post" then use the edit command to go back to use the commands for the pretty stuff.
DanR said:
"ERROR Invalid Data" warning in scary red type
Just click in the box above the box for "post quick reply", not the box with those words themselves. You should be able to compose in that box. Then hit the "post" button when you are done. Worked for me.
Kcmatt7 said:
@mayjay Thats pretty simple. Sometimes I wonder where my head is at... I even have two monitors at work.
Well, I don't have to fit this into a workday like you younguns, so I have a bit more time to play around with things.
@brooksmd For now I’ll hold off on “clicking my heels.”
How do you look when you are wearing ruby slippers? I always thought they would have looked better without the bobby-sox.
Kcmatt7 said:
Is there a way to have my post area be half screen again so I can reread what I'm replying to?
Just a work around in addition to the one I gave jballer a couple minutes ago: I sometimes just select my whole draft post I am working on, and hit cut, then discard the post. I then read whatever I wanted to, open a new blank post, and paste in my earlier writings. If I need to copy something else, I open a blank email and cut/paste everything into there to assemble it all, and then copy/paste into a new post here on the board. (You don't want to erase from memory that post you cut earlier until you have pasted it somewhere.)
@jayballer54 First: the emoji button might just be out of sight. Try scrolling to the right on the command line where it gives you the italics and boldface options. You should find the emoji smiley face button. It takes awhile to load the images of each icon in all the very long categories, but be patient. They are there. There should also be a little cloud icon with an arrow on the command bar. This is for loading documents and pictures, as before we used the picture icon.
Second: You can still read the post while composing. Just use the "Quote" button (instead of "Reply") when replying. That puts their post in yours. When you are done, you can leave as much of it there (helps us figure out what you are replying to) or delete it all if you want.
Trying to give @approxinfinity an up vote on the first post resulted in an error message but not some other posts in other threads. Edit: worked on 4th try.
@approxinfinity Okay, no obvious return from Chat in horizontal, either. Pressing the top banner works if you touch the very top right corner. It also returns to my home screen if I flick down from the top in Chat mode.
I did not see a Chat option in replying to posts, but I might have missed it.
@approxinfinity Everything seems to work! Might take some getting used to but I like it so far. Kudos!
Getting out of Chat required a blind touch on the top of the screen where it was blank. The back button didn't exit. I was in vertical orientation, and I haven't tried horizontal. Maybe there is a return path there. Will report.
Pretty much a wash!
Danny as freshman in 32.9 min per game:
14.6 pts 7.6 rebs 3.2 assts 1.7 steals
1.0 blocks 2.6 turnovers 3.6 fouls
Josh in 30.8 min per game:
16.3 pts 7.4 rebs 3.0 assts 1.7 steals
1.1 blocks 2.8 to's 3.0 fouls
Danny had zero arrests as far as we know, so on the whole I call his season better.
@Lulufulu Wilt was great as a freshman, but only on the freshman team. His years with varsity were soph and junior.
My 4 year old niece went to Sunday School today, came home and sprawled on her bed. She said, "I've been crucified, Mommy! But don't worry, I will be back soon!"
@approxinfinity Where is "here" for you? Are you in DC or Maryland?
@approxinfinity That just changes their background color for me from the highlighted unread color of creamy beige to the same white as all my other read ones. They are all still there in the list though like Jaybate's are.
I don't remember deleting notifications before the upgrade. If I could, I certainly don't recall using it.