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Bracketology • Mar 03, 2017 06:10 PM

@Texas-Hawk-10 said:

@Hawk8086 B10 teams wouldn't be in the 8/9 and 4/5 of a region because conference teams are supposed to he on opposite sides of a region unless there are 9+ teams from a league in the field which isn't happening anytime soon.

According to the NBCSports version of bracketology, this is no longer true. They say the NCAA is putting a bigger premium on keeping teams on their true seed line than they are in separating conferencemates.

Here is the NCAA language:

Each of the first four teams selected from a conference shall be placed in different regions if they are seeded on the first four lines.

Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional final if they played each other three or more times during the regular season and conference tournament.

Teams from the same conference shall not meet prior to the regional semifinals if they played each other twice during the regular season and conference tournament.

Teams from the same conference may play each other as early as the second round if they played no more than once during the regular season and conference tournament.

Real Jayhawk heroes • Mar 03, 2017 05:51 PM

The reasoning behind hate crimes is to speak as a society against targeting people because of some characteristic--race, religion, national origin, etc--that causes some people to become insensibly enraged.

Groups have been targeted for centuries, and as we saw in Armenia in 1915, or Rwanda in the 1970s, or Nazi Germany in the 30s and 40s, when group hatred gets coupled with power, attempts to exterminate may be not too far behind. We legislate against individual hate crimes to help act as a bulwark against that.

A hate crime is a reaction against that impulse driving the hater that thinks, "That person is ----. They have no right to existence. I can do what I want to them."

In our country, the hate crime statutes followed decades of unpunished lynchings, where authorities either turned the other way or were powerless to stop a community from acting on its collective hate.

To put it another way, try not to see it as, murder is bad but hate crimes are worse. See it as a reminder that we in society do not condone attitudes that foster hatred of vulnerable groups. It is also a reminder to those groups that they should not have to fear, that we in the majority remember our duty to protect those in the minority.

When society speaks against targeting people, it goes a long way toward stamping out virulent attitudes. Or at least it hopes to make people realize that they are not going to get treated more leniently because "it is just one of them".

And remember, contrary to what anti-hate crime decriers contend, we punish mental intent differently for similar acts all the time. Murder for financial gain, assault with intent to rape or kill, arson with fraudulent intent, breaking and entering with the intent to steal, etc.

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 03, 2017 05:28 PM

@HighEliteMajor The question you ask--pretending results can be isolated from reality of the programs that got them--is as ridiculous an exercise in fantasy as my granddaughter asking, "Would you like me better as a werewolf, or as a vampire?" The choice cannot be made isolated from the program. Of course people would rather have more titles than one.

Since the question you ask is meaningless in the real world, I repeat that in the actual world of comparing programs, I am happy to be a Jayhawk. History and victories and losses to boot. Because that is called taking the good from the bad.

Welcome back. I see you have decided to bring back the snide again. Oh, yay.

Home and Home With ASU • Mar 03, 2017 04:12 AM

@BeddieKU23 said:

Big-12/SEC Challenge

I am predicting SC.

Wilt • Mar 03, 2017 04:07 AM

@chriz And about 3 million people claim they were there....

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 03, 2017 04:02 AM

@cragarhawk I think the various analyticals only measure that, too. But the media totals 'em all up and changes it to "best" which leads to these threads for way toooooo much fun.

Most successful is the term I suggest for deciding who does best in the tournament. Bill Walton doesn't care though, as to him the Pac will always be the "conference of champions."

Bracketology • Mar 03, 2017 03:56 AM

@joeloveshawks said:

I just looked at Lunardi’s most recent bracket and it was a gauntlet for KU. Wichita St. as the 8/9. Duke as a 4, Zona as a 3 and Kentucky as a 2. Is that a joke?

I believe @jayballer54 was responding to this section of your post from 3 days ago and agreeing that, unfortunately not a joke, it was really "stacked."

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 03, 2017 03:52 AM

Maybe the issue should not be worded as "best" conference since there are so few finalists. Maybe a better description should be that the conference, as a whole, is the toughest, top to bottom, to play in during the regular season.

"Best" implies predictability from the rankings.

"Toughest" just means it is a bitch to go through.

ANOTHER AMAZING KU STREAK • Mar 03, 2017 03:47 AM

@tundrahok The author did a little creative math in rounding our "average seed" down to a 2 seed. It actually averages out at 2.37 (64 ÷ 27), which makes a little more sense in view of the 8 and 6 seeds being worth a half seed just from the two of them.

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 03, 2017 03:42 AM

@cragarhawk We will take your word for it, but you being willing to do that will definitely help counteract that Debie Downer accusation!

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 03, 2017 03:35 AM

@cragarhawk I assume the last item is variable, depending both on your initial choice and on the progress of the game.

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 03, 2017 02:48 AM

@HighEliteMajor I was adressing a limited topic, which was recruiting barriers as a possible reason for the phenomenon raised by someone else of the Big 12 as a whole not producing more NBA stars, not making excuses for anything. You keep urging UConn and Duke as your guiding stars. I would still rather be a Jayhawk.

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 03, 2017 12:42 AM

@HighEliteMajor said:

That is, most of these kids are at prep schools and have already ventured away from their home towns. Different age right now.

True, but living as a 16-19 yr old at a prep school is vastly different from looking at up to 4 years as an adult in relative isolation, culturally and geographically.

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 03, 2017 12:40 AM

@Crimsonorblue22 said:

@mayjay you sound like Walton, KU is plodding farmers.

Not my impression after living there, but most of the country hasn't lived there. Why would urban kids growing into adulthood and hoping for excitement want to move to Ames (school ranking lower than over 2,000 other schools out of 2,400 rated for diversity), Waco (to a restrictive religious school, no less), Manhattan (let's drive to Junction City!), Lubbock (middle of nowhere, someone said?), Morgantown (coal country), and "Stoollwater"? TCU at least has Fort Worth/Dallas to offer, and KU has Lawrence with KC nearby. Norman is near O City, which might be fun to a bb player wanting to follow the NBA. But what else besides tornadoes? Austin offers the fun of living in a capital city in a football crazed state that is busy trying to beat Kansas and most of the South in a race backwards to the past.

Drought, dust, country music, flat land.... In the entire geography encompassed by the Big 12, there are two NFL teams, two baseball teams, and two NBA teams within an hours driving time of any of the 10 campuses (3 if you include San Antonio at 80 miles from UT). Compare that with the urban attractions of the Big 10, Big East, Pac 12 or whatever the hell it is by now, or even the ACC.

Kids who grow up in the Midwest may implicitly recognize the region's attractiveness, but it is not always apparent to visitors craving the type of things they grew up around in big cities. So, when coaches recruit well in the Big 12, they are overcoming huge assumptions kids can bring with them.

I love Big 12 country, but I grew up there.

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 02, 2017 09:38 PM

@jaybate-1.0 Actually, his explanation is very simple and very elegant. It is a given that a disproportionate number of basketball players come from urban centers where the AAU programs, public and private school competitiveness, and media exposure tend to reinforce the desirability of conferences NOT located in the hinterlands.

In other words, it is freakin' hard to get kids who grew up in a city to move to the farm belt!

Mo' Throws, No Woes • Mar 02, 2017 09:09 PM

@drgnslayr said:

@Blown

I don't think he would have quite as many FT attempts because the style of play was much rougher. Few knick-knack fouls. Defenders were allowed to hold the driver while he tried to drive by (for example).

In my prior answer, I said fewer, but in addition to your consideration I forgot the possible effect of the shot clock, but I don't know how many more possessions for KU teams it has led to. Phil Ford, if he played today, would probably have a lot more attempts!

Mo' Throws, No Woes • Mar 02, 2017 08:44 PM

@Blown Less attempts, I would think, if back then they only had 1 and 1. No guaranteed second shot.

Haters, wanna challenge our Conference? • Mar 02, 2017 08:24 PM

@jaybate-1.0 By your reasoning, the Atlanta Braves must have been the victims of assymetric umpiring during their run of Division titles with a woeful record in the post-season and only 1 WS championship.

Statistical aberrations occur.

Mo' Throws, No Woes • Mar 02, 2017 08:19 PM

@wissox "I didn't remember that!" he says with a look of either astonishment or early dementia....

HELLO PETE O"BRIEN .....BYE BYE BALBONI • Mar 02, 2017 08:17 PM

@KUSTEVE @Crimsonorblue22 @Kcmatt7 @HawkInMizery @brooksmd @globaljaybird

There is now a Royals & MLB separate topic so baseball doesn't get lost in the General with political stuff and what-not. But @approxinfinity didn't have time to properly format it on the Buckets home page so you might have to scroll down to the bottom on the left side (on my Android, at least--your layouts might look different).

Mo' Throws, No Woes • Mar 02, 2017 08:08 PM

@wissox said:

Does anyone know what Darnell did to shoot so many FT’s?

Besides the way he played, as diiscussed nicely by @drgnslayr, notice that Valentine made over 71%. Assuming that some of those were front ends of a 1-and-1, he must have earned more second shots than someone who shoots at a lower percentage.

If FM (career >64%) shot Valentine's percentage, he would have made 490 at least, but probably attempted and made even more by cashing in on the bonus opportunities.

I would love to see the stats on FTs broken down by 2 shot vs 1-and-1 opportunities, and for the 2 shot ones, further broken down by first or second shot accuracy. I believe that players who miss the first of 2 shots invariably become more accurate on their second ones. Is it merely concentration, or is muscle memory getting belatedly awakened? If they would do that fake shot routine some do, maybe that would eliminate the first miss sometimes.

13IFM on Jim Rome show • Mar 02, 2017 01:11 PM

@wissox @jaybate-1.0

LA Times article after it happened:

Irritated by Insults, Everett Goes After Cable Talk Show Host : Media: Former Ram quarterback attacks Jim Rome after being called 'Chris Evert' during an ESPN2 interview.
April 07, 1994
MIKE REILLEY and T.J. SIMERS | TIMES STAFF WRITERS

Former Ram quarterback Jim Everett, upset by comments made by ESPN2 talk show host Jim Rome during a live interview Wednesday night, attacked Rome in the network's Hollywood studio.

Everett became upset when Rome repeatedly called him "Chris Evert," a reference to the female tennis star and Everett's questionable courage to take a hit, during an interview on "Talk 2." Everett shoved a table between them away and knocked Rome backward off his chair.

Everett then jumped on Rome. No punches appeared to be thrown, and they were separated by studio workers.

Rome said he was not injured in the incident and that Everett did not apologize afterward.

"He didn't directly apologize to me, but he seemed remorseful," Rome said. "He said as he left, 'I've had to put up with this stuff for three years in L.A., and I just snapped.' "

Everett, traded by the Rams to the New Orleans Saints March 18 for a seventh-round draft pick in 1995, was unavailable for comment Wednesday night, but told a Las Vegas television station, "I can't believe ESPN did this and I expect a full apology."

Marvin Demoff, Everett's agent, said he didn't see the incident or speak with Everett about it.

"I don't understand what it accomplishes," Demoff said. "I'm not defending Jim and I don't know the circumstances, but why ask him to come on a show to humiliate him, and expect that as proper?

"I understand it's different if you've been forewarned--I can accept that. But I find it totally offensive of Rome."

Everett's confrontation with Rome was one of a handful of incidents he has had with the media last season.

In September, Everett told a reporter he was " . . . ridiculous" for asking him if he would be the Rams' starting quarterback.

In December, after Everett had been pulled from the starting lineup in favor of backup T.J. Rubley, the quarterback challenged the same reporter to a fight, saying "let's go somewhere and settle this like men."

Reports from New York last fall quoted some of Everett's Ram teammates referring to the quarterback as "Chris Evert," for his lack of courage to take a hit, although no local reporters quoted any players saying that.

Rome, noted for his good-natured jousting with athletes and coaches during his interviews, had repeatedly referred to Everett as "Chris" or "Chrissie" on his XTRA radio show and his ESPN2 talk show. He said an ESPN producer warned Everett twice before the interview that Rome would refer to him as "Chris" at times.

"Overall, we felt very unfortunate (about the incident)," Rome said. "We were looking forward to the interview, talking about his Ram days, his Purdue days and his future in New Orleans.

"Our producer had called Jim in Las Vegas and asked him if he had any problems being called Chris Evert. The producer said we wanted him to be comfortable. If he didn't feel comfortable, then he shouldn't come.

"Everett told him (the producer) 'I got some things I want to say about my Ram days, and this will be a good opportunity.' The producer advised him that I won't pull any punches. He (Everett) knew everything."

But Everett became upset with the reference after Rome questioned him about the quarterback's "Phantom Sack" in the Rams' 31-3 loss to the San Francisco 49ers in the 1990 NFC championship game.

Everett: "You better take a station break. You (Rome) have been talking behind my back."

Rome: "Well, now I'm saying it."

Everett: "I bet you won't say it again."

Rome did.

Everett, 6 feet 5 and 212 pounds, placed his hand on the round table separating them, pushed it away and jumped at Rome. The network then cut away, but returned later to Rome, who said: "Hated for something like that to happen. But that's that."

8 Years of Frank • Mar 02, 2017 04:34 AM

@drgnslayr Ah!

8 Years of Frank • Mar 01, 2017 11:08 PM

@drgnslayr I think lottery is only the first 12 picks, every team not in the playoffs (unless trades affect who picks). But my understanding is that all first rd picks get guaranteed contracts, not just lottery.

That's why it was so cool that Chalmers got a guaranteed contract after being out of the first round. Riley really wanted him.

Senior pm • Mar 01, 2017 03:01 PM

@Crimsonorblue22 4:53 before gametime? Wow!

Paging Svi!!! • Mar 01, 2017 01:35 PM

@BeddieKU23 Great info, thanks!

@JayHawkFanToo No, I understood your point. We didn't get our preference. But still ended up in an even, or better, situation than the team that beat us. Not proof to me that the committee is
disfavoring us or disadvantaging us in favor of eastern teams, which is the underlying context of this whole thread and a major part of your post.

Look at it this way: we didn't get placed where we want, and we had to face a region with a strong #2 that had been a really strong team all season, and probably only one loss from the 1 line.

Nova no doubt said, "Crap! We are being sent to Kentucky! We have no presence in Kentucky! What the ... ? And we have to face the #1 overall seed, KU? That is bull-shevik, Man! Didn't our body of work earn at least facing the weakest #1? Oh well, guess there is nothing to do but suck it up and beat those guys. Man up, boys!"

@JayHawkFanToo Analyzed it last year. Louisville KFC arena was about 1.3 miles closer! Seems compelling to me.

Actually, joking aside, Nova was able to stay in their time zone--but they travelled almost 675 miles from home to our 547. And I am pretty sure Nova's alumni base isn't much more substantial in Kentucky than KU's, so I cannot figure out how the Eastern team got the advantage you think they were given. (Hmmm...decided to look this up. Cursory search shows Nova has no alum chapters listed in KY; KU has listings for both Lexington and Louisville.)

More fundamentally, I don't agree that there is no question eastern teams get better treatment. More teams are from the eastern time zone than any other. 48 out of the top 100 in the current NCAA RPI, as of today, assuming I counted correctly. This is why they stopped doing it all by geography.

When you see a team like Duke or UNC in Carolina, you say, aha! But when others get placed all over the country you literally don't notice. With such a concentration of population centers, schools, and possible hosting sites in a single time zone, it will always seem like the East gets to stay home.

Put a lot more universities and arena sites other than KC close to KU, and KU would play closer to home, too. UNC and Duke are literally only 7 miles from each other, with NC State, Wake, Davidson, Virginia, VA Tech, and others not more than 150 miles (edit: 170), and altogether there are probably 20 or more major schools within 25o miles. Not true anywhere in the MWest (except Chicago, maybe) or West. But it is likewise true in the DC-Balt-Phil-NY-Boston metroplex. Also in the East.

Move an Eastern regional from Syracuse (they get them b/c it is a dome and seats >23,000 fans) and it might be in Philly the next year, or Boston, or DC. All closer to most Eastern teams than KU to either Louisville or Chicago. Move the West regional, and you are talking 380 miles from LA to SF alone, and many more to Seattle, or SLC. And almost anywhere in that region, people say how teams in the east get to stay so close to home. Atlanta and Charlotte are far from the Northeast schools, but close to the NC concentration.

The alternative, because the heaviest concentration is in one time zone (almost half), is to send many more eastern teams to all the other regions. So, who is volunteering to go East to replace them from the other regions? Every school elsewhere would get punished in the guise of a new form of NCAA Geographical Political Correctness--move teams so everyone is guaranteed being inconvenienced.

I just threw that last one in as my clinching argument because I know overly PC rules gets your goat! And now, here in the East, I must hie myself to bed! More tomorrow, I am sure!

HC Openings for Our KU Assistants • Mar 01, 2017 04:38 AM

@ralster Yes, but not anywhere out of a big city. He should maximally leverage his recruiting experience, contacts and access--Chi-town!

HC Openings for Our KU Assistants • Mar 01, 2017 04:03 AM

@CaptnMo said:

Howard’s current farewell tour (seemingly) on twitter

????

12&7 • Mar 01, 2017 03:59 AM

@Blown Article is poorly written. It is still a running average. We DON'T want the final calculation to be easy or soon!

8 Years of Frank • Mar 01, 2017 03:56 AM

@ralster I think you mean guards for Self haven't averaged 20. Simien averaged 20.3 in Bill's first year. And in the Big 12, it is just no one has averaged 20 pts plus 5 assists. For example, Beasley averaged 26.3 to lead the Big 12 in his year. Durant, 25.8.

Don't mean to be a downer, tho! He is awesome!

12&7 • Mar 01, 2017 03:45 AM

Nice, but in college all tourney game stats count for the season, too. So, who wants to calculate how many of each he needs over his next ten gamesto average 20 and 5? Yeah, I said it--10, count 'em, TEN GAMES!

@Texas-Hawk-10 said:

Villanova last year is the only one of the tournament losses that I truly believe officiating had a direct impact on.

I never said that refs don't have an impact. Bad calls abound. It is still how you respond to them that makes the big difference. Contrast Perry becoming so passive with the number of times zillions of players all over bb have managed to play cleanly even with 4 fouls. We have seen JJ do it, LL and others.

You still have to play your game. No one ever won playing scared.

But, while bad calls are just part of the game, I don't think outcomes are predetermined or that refs are just waiting for a chance, for example, to make a bad call. Nor do they make 30 foot killer shots for UNI or OT forcing shots by Michigan.

Anyone contending the tourney is corrupt has to do more than whine about us losing too often. HEM has provided lengthy analyses of why that has happened. Right or wrong, his theses are at least in the realm of very realistic possibility. Shoes? Time zones? Embargoes? Imaginary as goblins.

I remember someone playing the lottery who thought it had to be rigged because neither she nor anyone she knew ever won a big prize ($100K or more). But she kept playing! As bad in logic as math.

8 Years of Frank • Feb 28, 2017 08:56 PM

@Blown said:

Little one asked me this morning why "we couldn't just hold him back, or something "

Shave him, cut his hair short, teach him to smile a lot, and then have him enroll under a fake name. Jay Bates II, or something.

Might need to pluck the eyebrows and use some makeup to change his facial shadows. And about that smiling thing....

@JayHawkFanToo All I am saying is that it didn't matter. You play where you are put. But I do believe the committee doesn't try to hurt KU. How would that discussion go, anyway? Another cabal secretly working, year after year, to undermine a single coach... CBS and ESPN working hand in hand season after season.

And with all that talking, not once has anyone ever come forward with the biggest sports inside scoop of the century. As I said, although there are bad breaks sometimes, bad play is the bugaboo.

@wrwlumpy Hmmmm.... As I recall, that was the same year he had a certain problem that hampered him against the Phillies in the WS. Might not have been the best superstition. Why not a wrist band?

@KUSTEVE Who were you more afraid of before the tournment, MSU or Nova? I was glad we weren't playing MSU in their backyard. But it didn't matter in the long run.

Paging Svi!!! • Feb 28, 2017 04:58 PM

I am sure I saw Svi making some really nice plays on defense covering his guy, but things like that don't always show up in regular box score numbers. Is there a place you don't have to pay for where you can see how a player's man did while he was guarding him?

@KUSTEVE And #2 seed MSU lost to Middle Tennessee in the 1st round. (I know, the NCAA calls it the second round, but I still call the official 1st round the play in games.)

I am assuming Michigan State has spent the past year bitching about underseeded Middle Tennessee. Or maybe they were mad at having played so close to home.

NCAA TOURNAMENT ASSIST • Feb 28, 2017 04:34 PM

@Blown Be careful of fakes.

@wrwlumpy I thought you were perhaps thinking of Gene for the "bald truth" version of the HCBS story.

@Blown Setting up interesting matchups is a fine goal. Deciding that this means we are being screwed is just paranoid.

Remember, losing to VCU, N Iowa, Stanford, Michigan, and the Killer Bs--and Richmond and UTEP years ago, and others--didn't have a thing to do with the really scary brackets we were in. Our mistakes and overconfidence against lesser seeds did us in (whither the trash talk at 0:00 on the clock, Mssrs. Morii?).

Arguably, WSU was way underseeded that year to set up a matchup, but if they had been properly seeded as a 3 or 6, say, we still would have had to beat them in the next round at best. And we didn't. If we say they should have been a 4, then it comes down to wishing they would have played Kentucky and hoping that someone else did the job for us that we proved we couldn't do.

I get very embarrassed when we lose to another team and KU fans whine (not directed at you) about having to face a big bad wolf so early on. If you can't beat 'em earlier, you probably wouldn't beat them later. Win, move on. Lose, blame yourselves.

Big-12 Tourney as of today • Feb 28, 2017 03:49 PM

@Blown said:

3 games 3 days. I don't think it bodes well for a deep tourney run.

Everyone said that we would be worn out by the end of the season with FM and DG playing 30+ minutes this year, and attributed the end of game beakdown vs Villanova to that.

Seems to me the ends of several big games with 36+, even 40+, minutes have worked out just fine. Not a recipe for long-term success but for a few weeks I think our guys have the toughness Self has always wanted, and we can outlast and out stamina anyone. A huge advantage that is little recognized.

Since the conference tourney is just gravy, I think they will play looser, have fun, and win going away or bag it if one goes south big-time. In the NCAA it will be back to business as usual. We just can't let tourney games get completely out of hand while doing our Ali rope-a-dope thing.

@wissox Agreed. And with so many teams being up and down, it might be just as effective to try to stick it to someone by assigning teams to a region randomly rather than pick "special" opponents.

Next recruit up • Feb 28, 2017 02:12 PM

@BeddieKU23 I think he "suggested" it to Wigs. I know he has joked about it in the past--although I can't remember who--and I have thought it is a standard line. Of course I am getting old, so it may have been in a press conference or the banquet or something other than Senior Night.

VOTE: Frank Mason! • Feb 28, 2017 02:00 PM

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Next recruit up • Feb 28, 2017 01:56 PM

@JayHawkFanToo @Statmachine @jayballer54

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Posnanski on Royals' Decisions to Make • Feb 28, 2017 01:27 PM

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Next recruit up • Feb 28, 2017 12:30 PM

@BeddieKU23 Doesn't he always plead at Senior Night for the underclassmen to come back? Like Cliff, Brannen, Tharpe, -- oh, wait! Never mind.