Add your entries you hear about that are interesting.
I'll start, Owen Freeman, Iowa big, 17 points, 7 boards. No clue how his game checks out for us, but I saw him win a state championship in Illinois too, and was intrigued.
A player I would be interested in pursuing should he enter the portal would be Minnesota's Frank Mitchell.
He hasn't entered yet, but with a coaching change and pretty much everyone else on Minnesota being out of eligibility, I would be surprised if he didn't enter the portal.
Miller isn't someone to pursue with expectations of him starting, but would be an ideal back up for Flory IMO. Averaged 5 and 5 on 66% shooting in 16 mpg this season. He began his career at Canisius and led the MAAC in rebounding a couple of years ago.
247 expects KU to kick the tires on Freeman. Would be fools not to
@BeddieKU23 Any thoughts on kids from the BIG who averaged 17 a game coming to KU? :)
Well he's not a good defender so that's a big limitation but offensively he's better then Flory. It sounds like there's a few programs already in the drivers seat and KU isn't one of them.
As we know anything coming from Fran's system is a big question mark defensively since they don't teach it.
I'm sure he's not anything like Storr character wise.
Dix is intriguing as a shooter from them but same deal, good on one side only
The Simpkins twins from Elon are in the portal. :)
Raw is ok, limited on one end isnt, imo
The advanced numbers for the Iowa players isn't as bad as you would think. Both are better than Griffen, Storr, Mayo, or Coit's advanced numbers before coming to KU.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
The advanced numbers for the Iowa players isn't as bad as you would think. Both are better than Griffen, Storr, Mayo, or Coit's advanced numbers before coming to KU.
I like Josh Dix if we are eye balling a sharp shooter replacement if Rylan leaves. That said I really like the idea of Bill getting back to his roots. Get players that are multi-faceted. Guys willing to defend and rebound that can drive to score.
That really seems to be where the focus needs to go this offseason. I think if we are targeting starters- you need more complete skill sets to play under Self. If we are looking for rotation guys, then a shooter who might struggle in other areas is fine. Moss, JCL filled these roles great in the past but they weren't full time starters where their weaknesses would be exposed as much as we've seen with Timberlake and Griffen/Storr the last two years.
Noticed that Freeman's HS and Iowa teammate Brock harding is also in the portal. The two of them were great in hs, not sure if Brock is KU quality.
This may guide our discussions. I suppose it'll blow up after this weekend is over and most teams seasons are over.
Wyoming transfer Obi Agbim fits the bill. However wouldn't be surprised if Texas Tech had the inside track here.
Quimari Peterson from ETSU, So Con POY shot 42% from 3 avg 19 per game. Indiana native.
Milos Illic from Loyola Md
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that's his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
I would not be upset at getting some mid-major guys and seeing what happens. Of course you need to find the right fits but look across so many teams that have mid-major guys that transferred up and the success they are having. Do they come hungrier to prove themselves with the step up? There's got to be a way for KU to figure this out.
I’d be fine with very few transfers and gutting it out for a bit forming a team that is cohesive and grows together. But that’s not going to happen - no instant gratification.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that's his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that's his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Stretch bigs right? Like guys for rebounding and shooting at least. We aren't trying to add another footer to go next to Flory/Tiller right?
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that's his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Stretch bigs right? Like guys for rebounding and shooting at least. We aren't trying to add another footer to go next to Flory/Tiller right?
I've heard Bill wants to add 3 bigs do with this information what you will. That would mean 5 on the roster.
Sounds like actual bigs too, like not focused on big guards at that spot. Bill on his shit.
I think he wants to run 4 bigs with Peterson. double high low.
@dylans said in The portal.:
I’d be fine with very few transfers and gutting it out for a bit forming a team that is cohesive and grows together. But that’s not going to happen - no instant gratification.
If everyone returned that could and both HS kids make it in, you still need 3 more players to fill the roster. I think realistically they are going to add 5-6 players this offseason whether transfer or HS
Nevada Jr big 6'10 Nick Davidson available. Avg 15 ppg, 6.5 boards, shot 37% from 3 (46/124) & avg nearly 3 assists per game. Haven't looked at film but decent advanced stats on him. Had nine 20 + point games this season
Will mention UNLV guard transfer Dedan Thomas, talented but rumored to have a destination already (Houston).
@BeddieKU23 I personally do not care about numbers or short term wins. There could be enough HS recruited players on the roster to field a team of that was the goal. It clearly isn’t. Lateral level transfers suck. I’m fine with guys like Zeke that wanted KU initially and had to earn it, but the free agent hires suck. No heart and still limited or they’d be in the NBA.
I know this is not how it works.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Will mention UNLV guard transfer Dedan Thomas, talented but rumored to have a destination already (Houston).
Yeah Houston lock. His mom wanted him there last year but his dad wanted him to stay at UNLV. Now UNLV has no money therefore
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that's his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Seems like one we should be in on, KS kid. 2 years left with big production. Rebounding and rim protection there too
I agree it's not as much fun with how it is now. There are coaches out there having success with lateral transfers and obviously some that are not. I would say Self has seen a mixed bag so far. Hunter, Mayo, McCullar could be seen as individual successes but hasn't led to the most successful team seasons. UConn had 3 important transfers on their squad last year during their title run and two of them were on the team during the 22-23 title as well for context of it being successful.
All the 1 Seeds in the tournament have transfers driving their success. Perhaps Duke is the only one of the 4 where it's not as big of an impact with their star freshman. Sion James is still an important factor for them, and they get great rotation play from Gillis and Brown (when healthy). Houston- Cryer, Uzan, Wilson; Florida- Clayton, Richard, Martin; Auburn- Broome, Baker-Mazara, Kelly, Jones.
The common theme with many of them is they transferred into their current school with multiple years to play. I think that's a key thing to potentially look at with the portal. Do you really want a 1-year rental or do you go after guys that you can develop for a couple years. Of all the names listed above, 4 are 1-year guys and 2 of them are from Duke alone. Several came from mid-majors that had multiple years like (Broome- NPOY candidate) & Florida's top 2 scorers.
I would stay away from the 1-year rentals as foundational parts of a team unless you have no choice. There's a bunch of talent entering the portal already that are young and can be developed at a school like KU. Personally, would like to see us fill the open spots with young talent that can be developed to become the foundation of future years.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that's his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Seems like one we should be in on, KS kid. 2 years left with big production. Rebounding and rim protection there too
We are in contact
Listening to an Iowa podcast and they said that the name that was being tossed around a lot was KU for Freeman
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that's his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Stretch bigs right? Like guys for rebounding and shooting at least. We aren't trying to add another footer to go next to Flory/Tiller right?
I've heard Bill wants to add 3 bigs do with this information what you will. That would mean 5 on the roster.
Sounds like actual bigs too, like not focused on big guards at that spot. Bill on his shit.
Welp. Okay.
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that's his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Stretch bigs right? Like guys for rebounding and shooting at least. We aren't trying to add another footer to go next to Flory/Tiller right?
I've heard Bill wants to add 3 bigs do with this information what you will. That would mean 5 on the roster.
Sounds like actual bigs too, like not focused on big guards at that spot. Bill on his shit.
Welp. Okay.
I know ...
Couldn't believe it when I heard. The other stuff I heard was good. Interested to see the final roster.
@BShark said in The portal.:
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@BShark said in The portal.:
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Valpo freshman All Wright, yes that's his name. Very talented kid. I would definitely go after him
Keep a close eye on the other Valpo transfer Cooper Schwieger. From Overland Park and Bill wants to add a lot of bigs.
Stretch bigs right? Like guys for rebounding and shooting at least. We aren't trying to add another footer to go next to Flory/Tiller right?
I've heard Bill wants to add 3 bigs do with this information what you will. That would mean 5 on the roster.
Sounds like actual bigs too, like not focused on big guards at that spot. Bill on his shit.
Welp. Okay.
I know ...
Couldn't believe it when I heard. The other stuff I heard was good. Interested to see the final roster.
I'm not overly worried. I think DP and Flory are two good cornerstones. I think Tiller as the backup 5 is solid. Diggy back will be nice. Would love to see Passmore take a big leap.
I, personally, would be okay having Griffen come back if that ship hasn't sailed yet. A 2nd year under Bill will do him wonders I think. But I also get it if both parties want to move on.
Can Moore get a redshirt, and is he willing to come back? I don't hate having him on the roster.
We need bigs outside Flory and with Tiller having surgery and being out even longer now I think it's smart that they are trying to have at least 4-5 guys in the room. We shall see if that happens.
I agree Griffen is worth kicking the tires on if he will stay however about a few weeks ago it was expected he was leaving.
Jackson being a player after the year off and anything from Mari after the same would be great.
There's just so much unknown about next yr, it will be the most uncertainty we have faced in 20 plus years by far
Malik Reneau
@BShark said in The portal.:
Malik Reneau
Don't see the fit here. Can't shoot 3's so if he's a 4, it's the same issues in offense as the last 2 years and doubt he'd be willing to back up Flory.
@BShark said in The portal.:
Malik Reneau
Of course bill wants a limited post up big he just can't help himself
Definitely not a fit for what we need
I'd be pleasantly surprised if we don't contact him..
The only thing I’ll say is the guy put up 13 and 6 in 23 minutes. I don’t get the fit necessarily but I also wouldn’t be upset.
I think some people are going to be really disappointed by what we go after at the 4 spot if what I've heard is true.
I think I'll retract what I said about fit with Reneau. Don't know why he went 12% from 3 this year after shooting 33% from 3 as a soph including a couple makes against KU that year. He is bigger, is skilled on offense and boards good enough. He'd take a lot of pressure off Flory in the post. I know we have familiarity with him from High School. If we are not going to get a shooter at the 4, I want someone with more size, more offensive skill and rebounding ability then we got from KJ. Renau is going to check all 3 of those boxes.
He hasn't entered yet but be kind of interesting to see what happens w were in on him from high School and that would be Bryson Tucker top 30 High Schol prospect. Was watching podcast he went to Indiana ?- -- might be worth taking another look at
So if Bill wants to go the route of more Bigs which has been hinted at , there goes any thoughts of run , run , and run some more
I'm also wondering about him too but man his shooting splits are awful, 37% from the field, 15% from 3. Must have gotten injured as well since didn't play from mid-February on. Still lots of room to improve but you'd ideally need to get him on the cheap which was not the case during his HS recruitment.
While we are down the Indiana Roster Rabbit-Hole, man look at Mackenzie Mgbako's stats through two years, another player that almost was a Jayhawk initially.
His stats are almost identical from freshman to soph year & I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like it. 3pt fg%, FT%, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, turnovers and ppg are almost identical its scary. Minutes per game, FG%, Field Goals attempted per game, fouls per game saw very slight changes. It's like he repeated the year exactly. How's that for consistency..
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
While we are down the Indiana Roster Rabbit-Hole, man look at Mackenzie Mgbako's stats through two years, another player that almost was a Jayhawk initially.
His stats are almost identical from freshman to soph year & I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like it. 3pt fg%, FT%, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, turnovers and ppg are almost identical its scary. Minutes per game, FG%, Field Goals attempted per game, fouls per game saw very slight changes. It's like he repeated the year exactly. How's that for consistency..
That is who should be playing at the 4. I’ll be a bit deflated if we roll out two bigs again for 40 minutes a game.
We wouldn't even look at Mgbako I bet.
Now Bryce Hopkins, that's a JAYHAWK (I pray and beg)
@BShark said in The portal.:
We wouldn't even look at Mgbako I bet.
Now Bryce Hopkins, that's a JAYHAWK (I pray and beg)
I’d probably cry if we got him at this point. He reminds me a lot of Jalen Wilson maybe even better 6’7 guy that plays like a guard. I’m just scared we will roll out 2 bigs that are completely useless more than 5 feet away from
The goal.
@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
We wouldn't even look at Mgbako I bet.
Now Bryce Hopkins, that's a JAYHAWK (I pray and beg)
I’d probably cry if we got him at this point. He reminds me a lot of Jalen Wilson maybe even better 6’7 guy that plays like a guard. I’m just scared we will roll out 2 bigs that are completely useless more than 5 feet away from
The goal.
Having two bigs clog the lane with DP coming in doesn’t sound ideal? He needs room to get in the lane.
@rockchalkjayhawk I hope Bill gets back to the 4 guard line up around Flory. Made a FF run in 2018 and won a title in 2022 like he forgot about those years.
Maybe I shouldn't make my evaluation of Reneau this way, but Indiana has just underachieved for a decade now and I just see him as a part of that. 5 star I think, which scares me as a Badger fan, and then we beat them like we almost always do and just think meh, whatever. Maybe it's more mishandling by Woodson but I'm a no buy on Indiana guys.
13 and 3 out of the 4 spot. Hmm stats like KJ. Can he defend like him too? I’d like to see better rebounding. T-Rex arms on both of them?
@BShark said in The portal.:
I think some people are going to be really disappointed by what we go after at the 4 spot if what I've heard is true.
A leopard doesn’t change its spots
Bill would rather play 2 bigs over 4 guards. This is disheartening and shows Bill and co. Haven’t learned anything from these last 5/6 years.
Two bigs both unable to stretch the floor is yet again another disaster with roster construction
We don’t ever run either so that won’t change (unless we get down double digits then we fastbreak)
Devries is really getting a black eye over this process claiming he held his son out for most of the season so he could transfer to a better school than WVU and not risk getting hurt. Of course this is a year after being hired away from his previous stop at Iowa Agricultural Institute (I forget where he was and would rather just make up a name than actually, you know, research where he was). When taking the WVU job he told the entire state he was in it for the long hall as a mountaineer. What a rough week to be a Mountaineer fan.
@approxinfinity It's been really interesting being a fan of both teams a lot of these years. Keep waiting til they both really click at the same time and get to the FF together. While I try not to talk about them too much here it comes up because they're the only other team I'm really familiar with besides KU and sometimes it can relate. I participate in one of those SBNation sites with them that is very active and fills my need.
Minnesota forward Frank Mitchell has entered the portal. This is who I would personally love to see KU bring in as a back up for Flory.
Opens Monday officially.
Old friend Marcus Adams Jr in after a good yr at Cal St Northridge. Time to get him back?
We should look at Colorado St's Kyan Evans (if he entered). kcmo kid having a giant game against Memphis right now. Soph has good stats and shooting splits
@BeddieKU23 His PER is 14.7 which is below average. For comparison, Zeke's PER his last season at SDSU was 20.8 and Diggy was 19.2 at NIU and each of their PER's dropped this season. There's something in Evans offensive that isn't good and I would say pass if the expectation would be for him to be a rotation level player.
@kuballin10 Thought-provoking perspective. I was wondering if things would’ve turned out differently if we’d brought in some solid transfer players. BS would likely enforce his rigid system on them, which tends to stifle players’ basketball IQ, as we’ve noticed with his squad. I’d love to see some versatile, agile bigs with good court vision, decent passing, the ability to play high-low in the post, handle the ball, hit jumpers, and stretch the floor—essentially, modern bigs. But, as you called him a leopard (never changing its spots), he might just end up derailing their careers.
Look at all the PER'S of guys who came here last year and it didn't matter how good they were they all regressed. Just saying it's a localish kid that's got 2 more years and had a big game in a tournament win.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Look at all the PER'S of guys who came here last year and it didn't matter how good they were they all regressed. Just saying it's a localish kid that's got 2 more years and had a big game in a tournament win.
That regression is why I wouldn't want Evans. The group this season all started with above average PER's and Evans regressing from a below average PER is a recipe for a horrible season where he's major detriment to the team. Evans PER from this season was similar Harris so if Evans duplicated that performance, that's the bar and we all know how those conversations around Dejuan went.
KU has been in contact with Drexel transfer Kobe Magee, who was 43% from 3 on a lot of attempts. Talented shooter with good size 6'6
I haven't seen his film and my only data point is today's game. He was good today and statistically made a jump from year 1 to 2. I'm not sure what our plan is for the backcourt, if they plan to get another scorer next to Peterson or look for a backup type. He wouldn't be the former
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Old friend Marcus Adams Jr in after a good yr at Cal St Northridge. Time to get him back?
Wasn't the word on the street that he was bat shit crazy?
I was always intrigued because he lived down the street from my folks!
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
I haven't seen his film and my only data point is today's game. He was good today and statistically made a jump from year 1 to 2. I'm not sure what our plan is for the backcourt, if they plan to get another scorer next to Peterson or look for a backup type. He wouldn't be the former
Even as a back up, his overall resume doesn't impress me. In theory at PG, KU already has Jackson, Coit, and Shelby. Peterson can play on ball as well, but I think would be much better off the ball so I really don't see Self in the market for a PG next season unless a top tier PG is begging to come to KU on a cheap NIL deal.
I could see Self going after a back up 2 if the staff doesn't feel like McDowell is ready for that role this upcoming season or if he sees Passmore as a 3 more than a 2
A back up 5 is a must with Tiller's setback.
We'll see what happens with Griffen and Storr, but assuming they move on at this point which leaves Rakease Passmore on the wing right now. If Calderon does make it to KU, doubtful he's ready to be an impact player from day 1, but possibly a back up.
To me, that means Self and staff will likely be focusing the vast majority of their portal recruit efforts at the 3 and 4 spots.
If the staff feels like they need a starting PG, Quimari Peterson from ETSU would be my choice, but it sounds like he's might be Florida bound.
At the 3 and 4 as starters, names I would be interested in are Bryce Hopkins from Providence amd Nick Davidson from Nevada. There's just not a lot of starting caliber 3's and 4's in the portal yet to me.
As a back up, Tyrell Ward from LSU wod be a solid addition at the 3, Cooper Koch from Iowa could be a nice back up 3
Jalil Bethea in, another ole friend
Noah Williamson from Bucknell, 7 footer averaged 17 and 7 and was patriot league poy. Made 52's 3s the last two years so some range to go with size
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Jalil Bethea in, another ole friend
Hard pass, imo
Agree just mentioning
Another ole friend in, Kyle Cuffe
I haven't seen one name that's gotten me all giddy with excitement. Teams get lucky of course or like us this year bad luck happens. this year for us two transfers that seemed to be good really let us down, while one way exceeded expectations while two more were adequate for their backup roles. It's just a crapshoot of a process that giveth and taketh.
Certainly not a ton of firepower in yet but Monday starts the madness officially so we will see.
There will be a lot less vets in with all the covid stuff over. I think that's a good thing and would hope we stay away from one year rentals.
Jalil Bethea from Miami just enter the portal, he’s a guy I’d like to get.
Some early "interest" targets if you can believe where it's coming from..
Treysen Eaglestaff, Cooper Schweiger, Deuce Jones.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Some early "interest" targets if you can believe where it's coming from..
Treysen Eaglestaff, Cooper Schweiger, Deuce Jones.
I've said my piece on Eaglestaff already. I could get on board with Schweiger, but what's the appeal for Deuce Jones? A starting PG that averages under 3 assists per game?
It's early.
Also I continue to monitor Keyshawn Hall and PJ Haggerty. The price on Haggerty might be too stiff however.
@BShark said in The portal.:
It's early.
Also I continue to monitor Keyshawn Hall and PJ Haggerty. The price on Haggerty might be too stiff however.
Both are needed but can we afford..
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
It's early.
Also I continue to monitor Keyshawn Hall and PJ Haggerty. The price on Haggerty might be too stiff however.
Both are needed but can we afford..
Yeah you have to quickly weigh what he offers for the cost vs other options and their cost. It's tricky.
This is a good thread by all you top tier bucketeers in the know about who we should get and who would be a good fit.
Im not in the know, but I agree that
1) no more one year rentals
2) we need real Athletes at targeted spots . It got tiring this year to see more tenacious athletic opponents shut down our guys in big games. (I was at the Arkansas/Kansas tourney game Thursday .. they put a vise on us, shut Hunter down, and kept Mayo from getting the ball in space, etc, )
3) we need guys who have something to prove and will BUY IN to team Kansas, and not just here for the $
I say spend the money on Hagerty and Hall. Use the rest of the NIL on cheap bargain guys for depth
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
I say spend the money on Hagerty and Hall. Use the rest of the NIL on cheap bargain guys for depth
Theoretically you would have 4 top level guys with those 2.
@BeddieKU23 Yes, if you assume Flory comes back and improves enough to be elite next year.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 Yes, if you assume Flory comes back and improves enough to be elite next year.
Flory will be back and will average a double-double next season.
I hope so. But either way, I would rather have a few elite guys than a lot of average guys.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
I hope so. But either way, I would rather have a few elite guys than a lot of average guys.
Flory is not an average guy.
I know this will come out like I'm talking out both sides of my mouth but , I will always be a Harris--- & Adams fan they put out all the time true Hawks BUT having time to really think about things it will be nice & refreshing-- for a fresh start.
Think we just HAVE to be able to find and bring in couple big men , guys that are much better athletic-- better athleticism, mobile fluid. Big's that can really stretch the floor- -Also true also for some Athletic wings.
Bottom line just GOT TO have better mobile athletic players just a must
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 Yes, if you assume Flory comes back and improves enough to be elite next year.
Flory will be back and will average a double-double next season.
Low concern currently but his camp is listening to offers apparently
@BeddieKU23 I think the only possibility of Flory leaving might be if Coach Self Leaves I think
I wouldn't discount other factors but would hope that's the case
@Texas-Hawk-10 Flory has the ability to be special but he is very raw right now.
Diggy might not return, we shall see. Rumor is he wants guarantees and perhaps a pay raise. I don't think either of those things are going to happen here if true
@BeddieKU23 I heard he wants more playing time for his “senior” year.
@BeddieKU23 I don't think he would be getting any raise. decent enough job coming off the bench but just don't believe that will happen , so looks like possibly Another spot open
@patoh3 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 I heard he wants more playing time for his “senior” year.
I mean with the extra yr he never expected i think it's smart to look around and see what someone will promise and offer you. Best of luck to him if he leaves.
Discussion on sports talk radio today about how the portal has devastated this years tournament. Mid Majors are losing too many guys to major powers meaning there's far fewer really good players at the mid major level.
Do juco guys get 2 yrs?
As of now its highly expected Storr will not return. Griffen is also a candidate to move on but nothing definite
@Crimsonorblue22 said in The portal.:
Do juco guys get 2 yrs?
Depends on how many years they were in JuCo.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Flory has the ability to be special but he is very raw right now.
He's only raw on offense and even then, he'll be fine next year on offense while he bulks up this offseason which should be his primary focus. On defense, don't be shocked if he's B12 Defensive Player of the Year next season.
I fully expect him to be KU's 3rd leading scorer next season.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in The portal.:
If a player spent 1 year in JuCo, they would get 1 extra year, 2 years if they spend 2 years at JuCo.
@Texas-Hawk-10 diggy would get 2, didn’t he stay 2? I know he had to wait an appeal
@Crimsonorblue22 said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 diggy would get 2, didn’t he stay 2? I know he had to wait an appeal
Just 1 year, he was at NIU for 2 years, and 1 year at KU. Probably why he's looking at places he could get guaranteed playing time since he only has 1 season left.
Perhaps a 4 man to pursue, Notre Dame transfer Tae Davis.
@BeddieKU23 That says plenty - I wouldn’t want to play in this culture hell hole or want my kid too (blowout fights, favoritism which worked against Flory where zeke and other guys spoke out….pathetic program)
We will be “in” on some top transfers but not land them and the bailout will be we didn’t have the NIL which will be comical considering we have a top 3 NIL in all of college bball
Arkansas sweet 16
UK scored 85 today giving up in the 70’s from a ragtag group their coach threw together
BYU sweet 16 with a fun style of play
I’d take 5-7 coaches over Self right now
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/christoph-tilly-1.html ↗ Another to monitor for the back-up 5 spot
@Crimsonorblue22 Blowout this time, Prolific won of course. Darryn was awesome.
@kuballin10 Hell help yourself there Sparky, I think I'll stay with our HOF Coach that's won more games you could ever Coach little lone win
@wissox said in The portal.:
Discussion on sports talk radio today about how the portal has devastated this years tournament. Mid Majors are losing too many guys to major powers meaning there's far fewer really good players at the mid major level.
We just had SDSU and FAU in the FF two years ago. Mid Majors are poaching D2 guys and benefitting from bench players who would have normally sat 2-3 years at a P5 instead wanting 30mpg at their program.
It goes both ways.
@BShark said in The portal.:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/christoph-tilly-1.html ↗ Another to monitor for the back-up 5 spot
Solid option, concerned about his rebounding though.
I would be fine if a mid major never wins another second round game in my life. I have never turned on the tv for George mason or bucknell. I’m not even watching now so maybe my opinion doesn’t count. I only care if KU is playing - definitely a (single) blue blood homer.
Ole friend Joson Sanon in from Arizona St. Would be pricey but someone with a lot of potential to become an NBA guy. Interested to see if we push here
Josh Dix situation is ramping up. All the KU writers saying he is a major target.
@BeddieKU23 kinda surprises me a little. Yet in this new day and age of what was College Basketball , guess nothing should, just shows anything can bw bought for the right price
@BShark said in The portal.:
Josh Dix situation is ramping up. All the KU writers saying he is a major target.
There's apparently a lot of chatter about him to Kentucky as well.
Kentucky thinks they will get anyone
Well now really not sure what to think. Just read article from Swain about Flory experience and his first year.
Made several comments about his freshman year and where he thought he had improved and where or what he needed to work on.
Yet the thing that could be seen either way, I guess just really hadn't thought anything on this but when asked about his future at KU, He said he was so focused on the Season he really hadn't had time to think about it , but was probably gonna to talk to his people and see what he next step would be.
This , these six words " What his next steps would be "- -Those words' threw me a little bit, I guess I was just taking to much for granted. Hadn't even thought about any possibility with him about leaving. Now that could be a whole bunch of nothing OR maybe he IS or has given some thought about transferring hitting the portal , I just really hadn't even thought about that, just assumed he would automatically be coming back. I would think with Peterson coming in and talking about how he was looking to play with Flory-- -and Flory knowing he still had work to do, it was a given----- well maybe not.
Saying all that I STILL would be shocked if he left/stunned but neve say never I guess just a little unsettling to hear, probably making a whole lot out of nothing . -- What ya all think ?
@Texas-Hawk-10 OK shows my knowledge of teams but who is Josh Dix ?-- What School ?- -is he a Big or Guard or what ?- -Thanks
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 OK shows my knowledge of teams but who is Josh Dix ?-- What School ?- -is he a Big or Guard or what ?- -Thanks
Guard/Wing that played 3 years at Iowa. Great shooter, seems like a passable defender. Would be a nice fit next to DP to space the floor
Yep great shooter but more than just a shooter. Can put it on the floor a bit, really good passer, doesn't turn it over. Did all this at the P4 level already too.
@rcjhdraft cool appreciated
Been thinking about the portal. I wish the ncaa would grant a fifth year of eligibility to players that play all five for one university. A little reward for loyalty.
Swain reporting mutual early interest with Deuce Jones- Transfer guard from Lasalle that was A-10 Rookie of the Year as a freshman.
Josh Dix SF transfer from Iowa thinks KU will be a player for him (Creighton/UK also mentioned).
Treysen Eaglestaff reports interest from KU (Among many other top programs)
Pepperdine transfer G Moe Odum shares KU among programs showing interest.
Lajae Jones is another potential prospect, transfer from St Bonaventure.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Lajae Jones is another potential prospect, transfer from St Bonaventure.
KU if we pursue
@BeddieKU23 Looking at the numbers, I am not sure why we are interested in Deuce Jones.
Not sure if he has been mentioned yet , probably but anyways,- -Would anyone here be interested in Cooper Schwieger ? kid from Valpo. Soph- - 6'10 - --15.8 ppg --- 7.8 rpg -- & 2 blocks per. think he should get a look anyways and evidentially the staff does too.-- Schols that have contacted/interest so far is : Mich , KU , Baylor , Clemson , NW , LSU , Neb , BC
Old friend Mackenzie Mgbako in from Indiana.
Bill could form a starting 5 of 5 star missed prospects from HS from the past few cycles alone
Christopher Tilly- mutual interest
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Christopher Tilly- mutual interest
I may not be exaggerating by saying that dude has like a 1 inch vertical. glued to the ground.
I'd prefer more mobile, springy bigs. Remember when USC kicked our ass with the tall, athletic, mobile Mobley brothers? Like that, please.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Christopher Tilly- mutual interest
I may not be exaggerating by saying that dude has like a 1 inch vertical. glued to the ground.
I'd prefer more mobile, springy bigs. Remember when USC kicked our ass with the tall, athletic, mobile Mobley brothers? Like that, please.
Those kind of players don't enter the portal. Evan Mobley was the #3 pick in the draft after his freshman year and his brother was drafted the next season after playing 3 years.
@BeddieKU23 From what I've hearing people no to high on Mgbako
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 From what I've hearing people no to high on Mgbako
He's not that good but perhaps a new scenery will help. Basically had the same year back to back
@BeddieKU23 It's really just a crap shoot anymore with these kids. They can be good one year and regress the next
Tae Davis- -Norte Dame 6'9- - -15 ppg- -good at drawing fouls made it to the stripe 199 times this year, like a Jalen Wilson mode
Article came out from On3, from source saying the price of a starting -- P-4 has really went up-- looking at 500,000 , just crazy
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 It's really just a crap shoot anymore with these kids. They can be good one year and regress the next
In his case he has identical stats Fr to Soph yr and I've never seen anything like it.
But on a serious note I have always loved his size and your getting someone who has production already. He is a streaky shooter and not sure what else he does well which makes the fit difficult.
Personally I would love to see them go after Magoon Gwath transfer from San Diego St. Freshman with high upside, can shoot the 3 and avg 2 blocks a game as a freshman on a known good defensive team/scheme.
Baylor's Langston Love in. Dealt with a bunch of injuries but talented when right
@SlimShaddy54 So we paid 4 P4 starters' salaries to Hunter Dickinson two years in a row and people wonder why we sucked...
Old friend Elijah Fisher in. Productive yr at Pacific, very athletic dude. Small ball 4?
Iowa St's Dishon Jackson in, grown man in the post
Sam Houston St's Lamar Wilkerson in, deadly from 3. Avg 20ppg
South Carolinas Nick Pringle in, good backup big type
Josh Dix is visiting Creighton with Freeman from Iowa. Hopefully not his last visit or onto the next target it is.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
KU has been in contact with Drexel transfer Kobe Magee, who was 43% from 3 on a lot of attempts. Talented shooter with good size 6'6
Visiting FSU/Wake this week.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 From what I've hearing people no to high on Mgbako
Swain does not expect KU to pursue. Bridges burned there..
@Jhawk69 Probably so, I have said for some time- -Dickinson was a bad fit-- he was such a liability on defense, constantly getting beat on line drives, causing other teammates to try and support and leave their man trying to pick up Hunters. -- He had about a 2 inch explosion- -vetical was pretty much non existent - Bottom line he was just slow non athletic, which w really need so badly - some mobile athletes, like Flory, sure /flory is raw but he is vey Mobile and rim protect and get out and run, I think his offense will come.
Sure Hunter could do well most times on the offensive in but it was negated on the defensive end, He showed well against smaller five men, but you put him up against a quality five man same size and he was pretty neutralized.- Just Bad, so answer to your question is-- -Yep , pretty much
@BeddieKU23 Ya , thta what I heard to. Heard Coach was pretty hot at the end of that fiasco
@BeddieKU23 That's another one that is a little surprising - -well to me anyways lol
Xavier's Dailyn Swain is intriguing.
Guys from Iowa got their coach fired. I wouldn't touch Iowa guys with a 10 foot pole!
@wissox Fran was also a chronic underachiever and we had success with a previous Fran transfer in Isaiah Moss. I'm not opposed to an Iowa player, especially since the one KU is getting involved in addresses a dire need for shooting and scoring next season.
With Jackson, Peterson, and Flory, I think KU is going to be pretty salty defensively next season.
Perhaps a big one for us to follow. New Mexico guard Donovan Dent in the portal, Mountain West POY averaged 20ppg, 6.4 assists & 41% from 3. He's really good and will have a Christmas list of suitors.
Virginia Tech guard Jaydon Young reporting interest from KU per his agent.
Malik Reneau reporting interest from KU.
FAU forward Kaleb Glenn reporting interest from KU.
Virginia transfer Anthony Robinson reporting interest from KU.
Eric Bossi is saying take a lot of these with a grain of salt..
Also reporting he expects Samis Calderon to be at KU.. (HS signee that's had some doubt whether he'd be here or not)
Keyshawn Hall declared for the NBA Draft, no mention of entering the portal at this time.. Sigh
@BeddieKU23 I think Calderon might surprise some. Not saying he is going to be some stud, but I think he can add more them I'm getting aa read on from People. He can be a quality relief for some time
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Nevada Jr big 6'10 Nick Davidson available. Avg 15 ppg, 6.5 boards, shot 37% from 3 (46/124) & avg nearly 3 assists per game. Haven't looked at film but decent advanced stats on him. Had nine 20 + point games this season
My wife graduated from Nevada and of course we watch their games when we can. Davidson looked to be the best big in most of their matchups. Now whether that translates to Big12 I don’t know. I’m awful at evaluating mid major talent.
@BeddieKU23 wanted Hall
One to monitor at the 4, Oregon St transfer Michael Rataj. Pretty much the ideal 4 from size, skill and rebounding, can also shoot the 3.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Perhaps a big one for us to follow. New Mexico guard Donovan Dent in the portal, Mountain West POY averaged 20ppg, 6.4 assists & 41% from 3. He's really good and will have a Christmas list of suitors.
I love his game, but I'd be concerned about fit because he doesn't shoot very many 3 pointers. He shot fewer 3's than Dejuan did last season. If Peterson ends up not being a good 3 point shooter next season, I'd be concerned about the offense next year because it would be more of teams packing the paint to take away KU's ability to drive.
Watched KU podcast-- Locked on Jay Hawks :-- They listed four names, well more then that but couldn't keep up.
They mentioned -- -a kid from Wyoming from Wyoming- - Obi , Aghia I think it is , a guard -then Dedan Thomas from UNLV- -then a kid from Virginia pretty good three point % -- 42 % on seven attempts per named Isacc Mckneely -& a kid named Malachi Smith
Have I mentioned how little I love the portal?
Not sure if this guy has been mentioned if he has I apologize. Read an article saying that the portal had just had the first supe star enter.
hr is Donovan Dent from New Mexico Sporting Nation ranks him as the 30th best in March Madness he is a 6'2 pure PG , states he is one of the fastest players in the Country with the ball in his hands. Beats defenders off the dribble , He averaged 20.4 ppg this year has a solid floater , he shot 40.9 from the three this year although it was only sixty six attempts , he is a pure ppg who can get his team playing at a super fast tempo.- -might be worth a peek.
Thing is chances of drawing big NIL they stated in the range of a Mil, same as they named some other players got this year , they mentioned Hawkins even though he was reported at two million Gonna draw quite a list of suitors.
They listed Florida Texas Tech- for a couple, I guess he use to play with Toppin and they said Toppin had quite a decision to make about PRO, but siad no matter what he does quite sure he will have a lot of good to say about Tech, so might be a waste of time-- neve know
@Crimsonorblue22 Yes we always thought he was a bit psycho. He'd try to intimidate coaches like Bobby Knight but he just looked comical when he did it and everyone laughed at him. I was messing a little bit when i said they got Fran fired. Those guys are decent players and wouldn't mind seeing Freeman, a 4 star come to KU. The guard was decent too, his HS teammate, but not sure he was quite as highly touted.
KU Completed a zoom call with Cooper Schweiger (one of 5 to do so)
There are a few things I like about him and I think we ultimately just need to keep stacking these kind of athletes into each class going forward and see what sticks. Now he's a bit old for a College Freshman so there's a lot of skepticism he will become anything. We shall see
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
KU Completed a zoom call with Cooper Schweiger (one of 5 to do so)
Saw where KU may have passed on him on twitter. Should be setting up visits and we shall see.
Josh Dix is a major target and the first one to really pay attention to it sounds. Creighton mentioned as other strong contender (UK, Illinois also involved). Also new Iowa Coach is expected to try and recruit him back.
Lots of movement in the Big 12 so far.
TCU- (Allette, Collins)
West Virginia (Powell, Tenner, Devries, Hansberry)
Baylor (Asemota, Love, Adegbola)
Iowa St (Jackson, Watson)
UCF (Sellers, Hendricks, Machowski, Williams)
Utah (Wahlin, Lovering, Little, Erickson)
Arizona St (Sanon)
@BeddieKU23 I would question that Twitter. I don't think they would pass on someone like that, that quickly. He has or going to be heavily recruited quite sure'
@BeddieKU23 Think obviously be a very solid pick up, pretty solid numbers
Question , which of these to head out ?--- Storr ?- - or Griffen ?-- or both ?- - I actually think there is a chance Griffen sticks around , and I would say I think Storr is right at 95 % chance Storr is gone. What you think ?
Another thing that is unsettling to me, probably nothing but the statement Flory made about wanting to check with his People and see what they think his next step should be.-- Jut something about that just make me feel uneasy-- just thought he was ONE of the automatics that would be back. Yet now in this dy and age-- - one neve knows , bever say never
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Lots of movement in the Big 12 so far.
TCU- (Allette, Collins)
West Virginia (Powell, Tenner, Devries, Hansberry)
Baylor (Asemota, Love, Adegbola)
Iowa St (Jackson, Watson)
UCF (Sellers, Hendricks, Machowski, Williams)
Utah (Wahlin, Lovering, Little, Erickson)
Arizona St (Sanon)
Sanon to St John’s.
Back in the 90s there was a St John’s player on the cover of SI. The way his shirt was folded covered up the S. I wanted to know who played for Taco John’s?!?
Elliot Cadeau NC- -point guard has entered but already looks like he has his new destination as he put do not tag/contact on his message
Sounds like Creighton is out for Dix. KU vs return to Iowa, per the immaculate Trilly.
@BShark said in The portal.:
Sounds like Creighton is out for Dix. KU vs return to Iowa, per the immaculate Trilly.
Well that's promising
Adrian Wooley, freshman from Kennesaw St. Major want..
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Sounds like Creighton is out for Dix. KU vs return to Iowa, per the immaculate Trilly.
Well that's promising
It's been triple confirmed now, Bill is visiting him personally tonight.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Adrian Wooley, freshman from Kennesaw St. Major want..
He's from Tuscaloosa Alabama, unfortunately.
Read where KU has made contact with Malik Reneau from Indiana according to ON 3 Malik is the fourth rated player in the Portal, Averaged 13.3 ppg 5.5 rpg n shot 55 %from the field and 6'9 .-- missed some time due to injury I dunno maybe.-- Sounds like he has missed quite a bit
KU working to get Dix in for a visit this weekend
I hope ol' Dollar Bill makes the Dick->Dick in son->Dix train a reality.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
KU working to get Dix in for a visit this weekend
Expected to happen at this point. Great sign if it does obviously.
Rataj is another one to take seriously.
@dylans - - Funny, I hadn't seen your response to this video, and was sitting back in my chair and watching and I was thinking the exact same thing you posted.
Love how he plays through contact,- - Looks like he can be very aggressive and has no problem driving and attacking the rim. Finish's well
Looks like he can handle the ball decent , and also looks decent at shooting the three ball. I think I could like him pretty quickly.
This is my down fall, I see Hi ;light video of a player like him and get myself worked up about the possibility of him landing here-- - - and then he doesn't lol. Wait and see I guess, Another thing to like is , seems pretty fluid , Mobile
@SlimShaddy54 i see a large guard who isnt a high flier, and doesnt have a fast first step. He can handle and doesnt shy away from contact. Not sure if he can finish through contact against athletes. Dont know about his shot. As long as he puts in the work consistently he can fit. Whether he can shoot well or not would determine how much PT
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@SlimShaddy54 i see a large guard who isnt a high flier, and doesnt have a fast first step. He can handle and doesnt shy away from contact. Not sure if he can finish through contact against athletes. Dont know about his shot. As long as he puts in the work consistently he can fit. Whether he can shoot well or not would determine how much PT
Should remind you of someone who was here 4 years and ended up an all American.
Rataj isn't a star and I would expect most of his numbers to look more like they did his sophomore season against P12 teams, but he can play the 4 and has enough 3 point shooting ability that opponents shouldn't be able to ignore him out there. On paper, he appears to be a good fit so I can get behind this one.
AK Okereke is another of interest
@approxinfinity you see a 6'9 Guard ?- -Dam that's a big Guard, and what I saw he finishes trough contact many Imes lol
@SlimShaddy54 guys 6’9? Geez.
@SlimShaddy54 finishing through contact def isnt an issue. Its the athleticism shortage that is concerning.
@BShark said in The portal.:
AK Okereke is another of interest
Meant to mention him too, film was rather fun
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@BShark sure, Perry immediately came to mind but i would need to see how versatile and creative he is. Perry was very crafty despite being landlocked.
Was thinking Jalen Wilson
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
AK Okereke is another of interest
Meant to mention him too, film was rather fun
Just absolutely bullies guys. Insanely efficient on offense.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
AK Okereke is another of interest
Meant to mention him too, film was rather fun
Just absolutely bullies guys. Insanely efficient on offense.
For sure, I hope we inquire and see what's up with him unless there's already some destination for him
Okereke would pair well with Flory. A bulldozer and a lanky athlete
If my math is correct, West Virginia does not currently have a scholarship player remaining on its roster after its coach left for Indiana.
Silas Demary Jr in the Portal! Shall we??
@BShark said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@BShark sure, Perry immediately came to mind but i would need to see how versatile and creative he is. Perry was very crafty despite being landlocked.
Was thinking Jalen Wilson
Except he can dunk.
Oh my. Okereke would fit so well in a Bill Self offense too
Just for once I wish we would get the athletes you kick around in these threads early, instead of settling in, convincing ourselves of fit late. Please Bill. Lets go!
Whom would you fellows rather have, Okareke or Rataj?
Has anyone heard anything about any departures for sure yet ? -- Kind of surprising not a peep yet
Dix taking a visit to KU starting tonight then will head to Illinois after.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Has anyone heard anything about any departures for sure yet ? -- Kind of surprising not a peep yet
No official ones but there won't be much left after it's all done
U mean not many left at KU? Do u think they are wanted here at home?
@BeddieKU23 ya , that's what farmer was saying the other night
If all moving that's expected there might be only a few guys back from the current roster
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
Oh my. Okereke would fit so well in a Bill Self offense too
Just got a KU offer already. Woohoo.
Sounds like academics are reaaaally important to him. So that could be an issue for us.
@BShark said in The portal.:
Sounds like academics are reaaaally important to him. So that could be an issue for us.
Just saw that. Not much we can do if that's the path he chooses
Yeah, getting an Ivy degree and a master’s in 4 years all while playing basketball is super impressive. He’s going to be successful long after his playing days.
Reed Bailey. @BeddieKU23 to the courtesy phone LOL
He puts up numbers I’ll give him that
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
He puts up numbers I’ll give him that
Been told there is already mutual interest, will have to see how far it goes...
Hard pass on the Cornell kid. 6”7 only shot 32% from 3. Didn’t even average 15 pts in Ivy League. Who ever for ku has been doing the transfer scouting needs to sit this round out. Go get the New Mexico kid for PG and go back to 4 guard athletic lineup. Let’s not get the Ivy League version of KJ
@jayhawks2010 said in The portal.:
Hard pass on the Cornell kid. 6”7 only shot 32% from 3. Didn’t even average 15 pts in Ivy League. Who ever for ku has been doing the transfer scouting needs to sit this round out. Go get the New Mexico kid for PG and go back to 4 guard athletic lineup. Let’s not get the Ivy League version of KJ
Dent isn’t going to KU. Not every player wants to go to KU.
Maybe so but we can do better then some mediocre Ivy League guy
Now that that’s over, anyone want Wagner?
Absolutely
@BShark said in The portal.:
Reed Bailey. @BeddieKU23 to the courtesy phone LOL
Ehhh. Obviously can score and some nice skill but wouldn't take as a starter.
Been going down the Josh Dix rabbit hole since he's the first major target.
As I've seen in other places think Gradey Dick role with less athleticism. Seems like a smart player and is efficient. 40% career 3 pt shooter, doubled his total of made 3's from Soph to Jr year. Good passer (nearly 3 assists a game), low turnover rate, good cutter to the basket and finishes efficiently there too which we desperately need. I can imagine a lot of kick outs from DP and whoever else for spot up 3's and that's a really good role for him here. Since he's a good cutter he can get defensives focusing on his shot and get easy baskets at the hoop as well. Defensively, I'm just going to hope he's good enough to not be picked on.
My concerns- 1 year left, you're in the same boat next year needing to replace him. Not a great athlete but good enough. Low volume of FT's & avg rebounding. There are trade-offs of course with him.
I see the fit, I see the need (shooting and efficiency). I think if you land him and he's a starter the other pieces must be athletes around him so that's where roster building is important. You add one piece to the chess board and now your subsequent moves should be reactive to that. I like this take if it happens in a vacuum but do have concerns what other pieces we pursue/get as well because I don't think you can get another starter type player that isn't a high level athlete.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Reed Bailey. @BeddieKU23 to the courtesy phone LOL
Ehhh. Obviously can score and some nice skill but wouldn't take as a starter.
Mostly the ping because he was a Brewster kid I think so your friend might have some thoughts on him if he coached him.
Zach Clemence is in the portal officially.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Reed Bailey. @BeddieKU23 to the courtesy phone LOL
Ehhh. Obviously can score and some nice skill but wouldn't take as a starter.
Mostly the ping because he was a Brewster kid I think so your friend might have some thoughts on him if he coached him.
Asking him right now
Here's a big one, Ryan Conwell from Xavier in the portal. GO get em Bill (if you can).
Another old friend alert- LSU's Vyctorious Miller in- avg nearly 9ppg as a freshman on 19 minutes per game. We were in on him last year before passing I believe. He's got the size of a guard we could use.
@BShark said in The portal.:
Zach Clemence is in the portal officially.
Hope he finds the right fit and can be successful next season.
Lamar Wilkerson- eyes on..
Bryson Tucker in the portal. I'd imagine we won't pursue but mention anyway due to relationship
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Lamar Wilkerson- eyes on..
This is real right now, will have to see where it goes.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Lamar Wilkerson- eyes on..
This is real right now, will have to see where it goes.
Liked his film. Another really good shooter. I see interest is high outside of us too
Josh Dix has done pretty well against top ken pom-- shooting wise anyways.-- He has sixty eight games played against top one hundred ken pom and shot 42 % from the three -- -Against top fifty kenpom he has forty six games played , percentage dropped a little but not much he has 42 games played and he shot 39 % from the three.- - Kid is 6'6 good catch and shoot-- shot 63 % on corner three's Low turnover with the ball-- hope he is one we can convince to come
@BShark said in The portal.:
Zach Clemence is in the portal officially.
Kind of bittersweet, had high hopes for him dating back to his sunrise days, I remember us talking about him a lot and his shooting ability that never translated up for some reason. Boy did he fall short of what he could have been. I'm glad he turned his situation around for the better. Wish him the best
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Lamar Wilkerson- eyes on..
This is real right now, will have to see where it goes.
Liked his film. Another really good shooter. I see interest is high outside of us too
I'm skeptical how his shooting would translate because he's a one hit wonder as far as shooting a high percentage and I'm always skeptical about players like that. This was always my concern with Timberlake as well which played out where he couldn't come close to duplicating his shooting numbers.
Always a concern but the dude put up nearly 250 3s this yr and shot 44%. 37 and 34% his first two years and big improvement this yr so perhaps it was a product of role/experience etc. His 2pt % and efg % both higher then Timberlakes best year. It sounds like a lot of other big programs are interested as well
Josh bascoe tape from Bucknell was fun. Small but some real quickness and finishing ability around the rim.
PJ Haggerty waiting room
@BShark said in The portal.:
PJ Haggerty waiting room
The one I’m waiting for as well. He’s going to ask for a silly amount of cash
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Always a concern but the dude put up nearly 250 3s this yr and shot 44%. 37 and 34% his first two years and big improvement this yr so perhaps it was a product of role/experience etc. His 2pt % and efg % both higher then Timberlakes best year. It sounds like a lot of other big programs are interested as well
Sounds a lot like Timberlake who also had a 10% jump in 3 point shooting at a pretty high volume (200+) and if I'm remembering correctly, KU had to fight off UConn for Timberlake so he had plenty of interest from top programs as well.
He could end up being a good high major player, I'm just always skeptical about low major players with his type of profile translating to a P5 program.
Keyshawn Hall lets goooo
@FarmerJayhawk lets get him
Are there rumblings of mutual interest between Keyshawn and Kansas?
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
Are there rumblings of mutual interest between Keyshawn and Kansas?
For sure
Get Dix and Hall and I'm happy
I want a couple more grown ass men. Bully ball sounds good next year.
Yes! After two long years of Hunters' "oww I broke a nail" "no contact" style in the post I could go for some physicality.
Give me Sasha and Darnell type guys!
Might not be modern basketball but at least we would be tough.
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
PJ Haggerty waiting room
The one I’m waiting for as well. He’s going to ask for a silly amount of cash
I heard some good things today.
I’m manifesting Haggerty DP Dix Hall Flory
My hopes are up. Suffice to say I will be angry at BShark if we don't land Keyshawn now
Keyshawn Hall, Josh Dix and Vyctorious Miller and I’m content
Doesn't look like Hall will be a hawk
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Doesn't look like Hall will be a hawk
Wouldn't say that at all at this point.
KU/Ark/Ole Miss/Ohio State battle.
Jason Edwards- Vandy. Scores, from everywhere but not much else to his game it appears
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Doesn't look like Hall will be a hawk
Wouldn't say that at all at this point.
KU/Ark/Ole Miss/Ohio State battle.
Interesting school list. Forgot trilly posted the OSU, Ole Miss prior. Arkansas has cash for sure
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
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@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Doesn't look like Hall will be a hawk
Wouldn't say that at all at this point.
KU/Ark/Ole Miss/Ohio State battle.
Interesting school list. Forgot trilly posted the OSU, Ole Miss prior. Arkansas has cash for sure
Yep all four schools there are loaded.
I think we will have two more major waves of good players entering.
@kuballin10 Agree, I'm still behind Coach BUT I do agree this time however. Ideally, who wouldn't want the perfect player, most the time your not going to get both.
. A guy that could and would be able to drive the ball , hit pull ups , and be able to also be quite capable of being able to drain the three. Unfortunately , those are pretty far and few in-between that are capable of doing all that AND playing really good
defense too.
Unless you are lucky and one falls into your lap then it's more likely to be a case of pick your poison, A really good defensive stopper or a really good Scorer , offensive threat So if or a rabid fan or Coach Self you just have to close your eyes and let it go, where the kid lacks in one area then he makes up for in another kinda off sets. hope the kid plays good enough defense that it's at least passable.
Morez Johnson, surprised Underwood by leaving Illinois. A Bill Self guy if there ever was one. Big rebounder, high energy, runs the floor well, offensive game not spectacular though. Thornton HS, Harvey IL, a mile from where I teach.
Tourney choker RJ Luis in the portal. Big one
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Tourney choker RJ Luis in the portal. Big one
I would take him in a heartbeat if Dix doesn't workout. And since he's going through the draft process, he's likely not looking for a destination immediately. I think being a #2 option behind Peterson would be good for him and he's very good defender which you can never have too much of. I do think his efficiency numbers would go up at KU surrounded by better offensive players because St. John's offense last season made KU's look competent by comparison.
@wissox said in The portal.:
Morez Johnson, surprised Underwood by leaving Illinois. A Bill Self guy if there ever was one. Big rebounder, high energy, runs the floor well, offensive game not spectacular though. Thornton HS, Harvey IL, a mile from where I teach.
Very bright future, not trading Flory for him though.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Tourney choker RJ Luis in the portal. Big one
I would take him in a heartbeat if Dix doesn't workout. And since he's going through the draft process, he's likely not looking for a destination immediately. I think being a #2 option behind Peterson would be good for him and he's very good defender which you can never have too much of. I do think his efficiency numbers would go up at KU surrounded by better offensive players because St. John's offense last season made KU's look competent by comparison.
He was really good this year outside the big game so I agree he's an ideal option.
We should really recruit Quimari Peterson to form a dangerous double Peterson backcourt.
Anyone know where Pop Isaacs is headed? Probably Houston to torment KU further! lol. He’s a nice player.
We are screwed.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
We should really recruit Quimari Peterson to form a dangerous double Peterson backcourt.
He's going to Florida or Missouri.
NBA or transfer?
What KJ and Dajuan did to my program..I’ll never get over.
Let's get Morez Johnson
Flory is in officially now
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
What KJ and Dajuan did to my program..I’ll never get over.
Yeah.
Broken trust and lack of developmental coaching...
@patoh3 said in The portal.:
@BShark I hear Passmore is likely leaving too. I am really pissed that we turn our backs on kids that chose to come here. Maybe it will be different when Bill retires.
He will leave. Basically forced out.
Jeez. Sounds like the ship is sinking.
Should we still have faith in Bill Self?
What's the word?
@BShark said in The portal.:
@patoh3 said in The portal.:
@BShark I hear Passmore is likely leaving too. I am really pissed that we turn our backs on kids that chose to come here. Maybe it will be different when Bill retires.
He will leave. Basically forced out.
Now this pisses me off even more.
I will say Scheyer basically cleared out the entire duke roster outside of proctor and that totally paid off. But I have very little faith in bill to build a coherent roster at the moment.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@patoh3 said in The portal.:
@BShark I hear Passmore is likely leaving too. I am really pissed that we turn our backs on kids that chose to come here. Maybe it will be different when Bill retires.
He will leave. Basically forced out.
Now this pisses me off even more.
I need a bit of a detox first but we can go in depth later.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@patoh3 said in The portal.:
@BShark I hear Passmore is likely leaving too. I am really pissed that we turn our backs on kids that chose to come here. Maybe it will be different when Bill retires.
He will leave. Basically forced out.
Now this pisses me off even more.
I need a bit of a detox first but we can go in depth later.
Gonna get a beer myself to relax.
On the bright side, whomever we get to play the 5 next year will be an upgrade over Hunter
You guys hate me that’s fine
Culture is really bad - let’s examine from the outside
Flory plays awesome against Duke final 10 minutes and when he starts puts up great numbers (Houston game)
Relegated to the bench and zeke likes a post about flory playing/starting more online
We have top nil, “goat” coach (eye roll) and starting 5 spot guaranteed to him
He’s leaving because he wasn’t developed, favoritism, culture/unfair treatment and style of play
Homers will say oh his handlers….thats an excuse from jaded fans
DP says he’s most excited to play with Flory…Flory just entered the portal. Will Wade and MANY others still taking shots at DP but yeah Townsend was completely normal. Eventually you guys will look back and be like oh heck kuballin wasn’t full of crap and saw things for how they actually were
Bama buddy texted me today, “A lot of chaos in Lawrence - we scored 113 and I know for a fact contact was made to DP’s people but he seems full fledged Adidas. Not sure if he ends up in Lawrence though hearing a ton of rumblings that aren’t good and center around how ya’ll play plus rotations this year. I know dudes are gone but it’s a real bad look”
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
On the bright side, whomever we get to play the 5 next year will be an upgrade over Hunter
That's not a guarantee.
@kuballin10 I don't hate you I just disagree with you about basketball on many things. I do agree we should have played Flory more last season.
Wellp. Thats the kicker for me.
If he can’t keep Peterson I’ll personally pack his bags out of Lawrence.
Well I rode with Coach till the cows came home-- well they are all in the barn now so-- Now I think it's time Bill needs to go. This past season was a Costly one for sure, looks like we gonna be a bottom dweller if not careful. Cupboard is BARE
@BShark said in The portal.:
Broken trust and lack of developmental coaching...
This is the red flag for Self to shake up the coaching staff and hire a GM to manage NIL for the program.
This is on Bill Self at this point, he wouldn’t recruit over his “sons” as he calls them Juan and KJ. I said all year Flory deserves more minutes. What does that mean for Peterson who claimed he was most looking forward to playing with Flory. This could be the most catastrophic news to hit us in decades. I heard his camp was unhappy much of the year.
We might he able to keep him?
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Wellp. Thats the kicker for me.
If he does leave remember that time in the season, that looms large if so
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Broken trust and lack of developmental coaching...
This is the red flag for Self to shake up the coaching staff and hire a GM to manage NIL for the program.
Changes are coming.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Broken trust and lack of developmental coaching...
This is the red flag for Self to shake up the coaching staff and hire a GM to manage NIL for the program.
Changes are coming.
We just gonna move Doc to a GM role
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Broken trust and lack of developmental coaching...
This is the red flag for Self to shake up the coaching staff and hire a GM to manage NIL for the program.
Changes are coming.
We just gonna move Doc to a GM role
I'd die, but no.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Well I rode with Coach till the cows came home-- well they are all in the barn now so-- Now I think it's time Bill needs to go. This past season was a Costly one for sure, looks like we gonna be a bottom dweller if not careful. Cupboard is BARE
Dang what a 180! Welcome to the your head is above the sand club!
@kuballin10 try not to gloat too much. You dont want people to feel bad about agreeing with you, do you?
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@kuballin10 try not to gloat too much. You dont want people to feel bad about agreeing with you, do you?
I'm going to abide by the golden rule right now but holy moly I need to log off
Good times keep on rolling. Lots of damage done this season
Friends we may end up a football school after all
Well, let's sit back and pray Bill brings in a rebuilt, monster of a roster.
Wait, clueless question here:
Is Flory eligible to receive NIL riches? I thought foreign players were restricted?
This fanbase across various sites, including some here, are truly living down to some of the most negative stereotypes about KU fans being snobs. I don't understand the ego and mentality it takes (including some here) to be more happy and gloating about potentially being right about the demise of Bill Self than caring more about having a successful team and program. To those people, all I have to say is fuck off, KU doesn't need or want you as fans.
@kuballin10 No, the last two years prove we had problems but they don't prove that your take on the cause of our problems is right.
Oh crap, I just heard the news about Flory. It was a gut punch out of the blue from my UCLA friend just now. Dammit, he was the one bright spot this year.
@Texas-Hawk-10 PHOF.
Jalil Bethea has a final four of Alabama, KState, NCState, and a return to Miami.
@Jhawk69 Favoritism to the detriment of the program - was told I’m insane
Self’s presser mentioning his sons proved that
The blowup in Utah….
Us looking great in November when guys had freedom and then it’s stripped away
Sucks to watch us become Indiana or UCLA but Grandpa Bill needs to give the car keys over to the next generation - he’s legitimately unable to adjust his style of play
Oh and DP isn’t nearly this rock-solid commitment especially after today’s disaster
Better hope Flory ends up back at KU because word on the street is DP doesn’t want to play for a “1 year away from a title KU team”
I have basically no interest in minor league sports. Especially one that changes the entire roster yearly. What a complete mess this has all become.
@kuballin10 Stronger argument that Hunter is the issue.
Passmore is the next domino to fall it looks.
Hall had his zoom call with the staff, TBD next.
Dix took his Illinois visit. Their board is a bit optimistic he lands there it seems
I hate college basketball.
I feel about the same
I'm getting there too
There it is...Passmore
I’ll root for that kid on the next stop.
As sad as I am to see Passmore leaving I can see it from his side of the fence. There were several games this season when he got hooked and pulled out of the game after one mistake while others were allowed to make dozens without Bill even seeming to get on them. Like my grandfather used to say when you pray for rain you have to deal with the mud sometimes. Bill made his bed and now he has to deal with the consequences no matter how unfortunate it is for us.
@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
Passmore was a top 50 recruit? Never saw even a flash from him. Maybe the next stop he will live up to his HS ranking.
@dylans said in The portal.:
Passmore was a top 50 recruit? Never saw even a flash from him. Maybe the next stop he will live up to his HS ranking.
He averaged less than 5 minutes per game, a little tough to showcase a lot in those situations
@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
@BShark I don’t agree with that but let just have to hope things work out. He looked like a good player in a few years if he stuck around. We ain’t gonna be able to get a bunch portal guys that want to sit on the bench
Ask @TYOHawk about my Passmore information. It comes from the best possible place. There is also a small scenario where he would be back but I would not bet money on that.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
Too bad about Passmore. He looked like he had potential on D, and he has the proper size and athleticism to compete. I was hoping he’d stick around a few years or so as a foundational piece.
I saw a few flashes this year. Obviously limited viewing opportunities.
These are the kind of guys Bill develops.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
Too bad about Passmore. He looked like he had potential on D, and he has the proper size and athleticism to compete. I was hoping he’d stick around a few years or so as a foundational piece.
I saw a few flashes this year. Obviously limited viewing opportunities.
These are the kind of guys Bill develops.
Yeah, I wish there was time to develop anymore...
Like a young Och or CB.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@kjayhawks He was encouraged to leave.
Too bad about Passmore. He looked like he had potential on D, and he has the proper size and athleticism to compete. I was hoping he’d stick around a few years or so as a foundational piece.
I saw a few flashes this year. Obviously limited viewing opportunities.
These are the kind of guys Bill develops.
Yeah, I wish there was time to develop anymore...
I think things are going to have to settle down with transfers and NIL in a year or two.
We have to weather the storm. And hope Self is the right guy to deal with fresh players every year. Off the top it sure doesn’t seem like it.
Up until this year, I always backed Bill, especially if something went down with a player. This year I changed and backed the players over Bill. That didn’t come easy to do. I still am a huge fan of Bill. Something has happened and I think we are all in the dark on what has happened within the program. At this point, it really sickens me to listen to fans criticizing our players.
Congrats to Houston! Sampson is absolutely one of the best coaches in D1. They are a team full of non-NBA talent that worked hard, plays as a team, and leaves their guts on the court!
I’m a fan of college ball. When KU stinks like they have the past few years, I still remain a Jayhawk but I don’t give up on supporting players and teams everywhere. Maybe this will piss off some of you…. I am going to mention other teams and my appreciation makes me compare directions to us. First is Houston. They’ve been on the edge of greatness for some time and that final lift was joining the B12. Sampson doesn’t need pro-bound players in his system.
Hold your noses now…. I’m a fan of Pope at Kentucky. It had to be a challenge coming in after Cal. His first year outperformed us in March. It took him all year to defeat the critics in their fan base.
This is going to make you sick…. Duke seems like they have D1 figured out. I hate that school. And I didn’t like Scheyer right from the start. But he has done something similar to what ratface did…. He developed a winning system. It’s hard to imagine that we beat them this year. Had we drawn them in March… get real… they would have beat us by 50. They are a team of youth and new players and you wouldn’t know it now. I thought this team would meltdown in March because of counting on youth and no way I believe it now. They have to be the fav to win it all. Makes me want to barf but it makes me compare how they got there. They did it by developing Scheyer then using his knowledge and youthful energy as their base. They brought in a GM to be better prepared in recruiting and NIL. They have built an excellent basketball atmosphere around their program. Their students do creative projects to build team support. They seem to have more past stars constantly involved. They easily have the most to offer top recruits. So they are the future of revolving door basketball. What makes them different is their understanding of what it takes to win. Cal never had a real plan. He lived off of boasting how many players he got into the league only. I still hate Duke, but I’m taking notes.
I’m watching all these other programs… UCONN, Auburn, Houston…. then I look at us and I don’t think we can recruit enough to play with the big boys today. It still seems like we aren’t going in the right direction. To me, it feels like we aren’t keeping up with top teams. Recruiting a top tier player isn’t going to cut it. The stakes have gone up around us. Our league is losing esteem to the SEC. Not sure we can win our own league again anytime soon. We no longer can blame being investigated by the NCAA for why we aren’t sizzling with talent.
Burying our heads in the sand won’t improve things. I will always be a Jayhawk and will continue to throw in my lousy 2 cents on how to make it better.
HOW TO IMPROVE -
Build more basketball atmosphere - be more creative building student enthusiasm. Yes… we have great student enthusiasm but we can do better developing closer and better connective enthusiasm with our team. We need more than late night, and late night needs an overhaul. You want to recruit more players excited from our basketball environment, then build it up more. I love having the rules but how many recruits did it win over? Involve more of our legend players into the atmosphere.
Resolve coaching situation - I’m not calling for Bill to resign, but we need to acknowledge that something isn’t working properly. This became obvious this year. We were probably the most-experienced team in D1 but we played like a high school team. It was more than having a bad match of players. These guys didn’t improve at all this entire season and may have even gone backwards. An easy cop out is to blame the character of the players. Then explain why the transfers mostly had huge drop offs in their stats. This stupid idea that they just got spoiled on NIL shows an ignorance in knowing the psyche of players. None of these guys got to this level without wanting to win and having good personal pride. I’m convinced if we don’t have a change from this year’s approach, we are headed for the same thing next year, regardless of the talent we bring in. To win, our guys need to overachieve.
My guess is Bill has lost his edge after his heart problem. And up to now, we haven’t adjusted to make things better. I think we need a GM. We will be hiring one eventually and by waiting we are just delaying the benefits. I think we need a shake up in assistant coaches, too. Had we been smart like Duke, we would have been developing Self’s replacement for years. Seems to me Scheyer was an assistant for many years… maybe 8 years? I seriously doubt Self goes more than 1 or 2 years. If next year goes like this year, he will be gone. Not because he gets fired but he’ll leave on his own to save his legacy.
Did players develop this year? I can make arguments for Zeke and Flory only. I think both mostly improved by getting PT. Flory did seem to learn the most.
I feel like we suffered a black eye by recruiting Hunter over Zuby and Udeh. Not only did we lose those guys, it may have had an impression on Flory now. Every man for himself! I think Flory lost some enthusiasm after he played well when KJ went down, then came back and regained most or all of his minutes. Flory stumbled after that.
I’ve always felt like Bill was a player’s coach. He constantly goes to bat for his players. But this year he seemed to only be close with Juan and KJ. I didn’t sense a closeness on this team with Self like he used to have with his players. I remember how close he was with Sherron…. Frank…. and many/most of his guys. Granted, he had those guys for 4-5 years.
I think Bill is going in the wrong direction. His coaching model should be like Sampson… recruit athletic players coming to be developed. Then develop them. Sprinkle in a transfer or two. But we’ve never been a coaching staff capable enough to develop faster. What would have happened with KJ had he gone to Houston? I feel comfortable in saying he would have had a shot at the NBA. All those Houston guys can play and none have KJs athleticism. I firmly believe Bill needs better help around him. It won’t happen because of his loyalty.
Look at the Final Four and how these teams got there. Auburn… Pearl is a motivator! It helps him recruit and develop, and he’s the best cheerleader in games. Houston… Sampson knows how to develop players and teams. Duke… has the total basketball environment! Florida…. I don’t know enough about but feel sure they must have their strong suit.
I want to be optimistic but give me a reason for it! Maybe it’s enough to land better talent… but I doubt it. Bill is a HOFr for a reason and I’m holding on to that plus he has made changes before. I’m just afraid that the changes he needs to make now involve going against his loyalty.
@drgnslayr thanks for taking the time to reason out this stance very well.
@drgnslayr Awesome post! It took me a while this season to see, but I really soured on what I was seeing and started to think more and more about the next KU coach. Worried about the 'blue blood falloff'. Nebraska football, Indiana basketball being the prime examples. Rabid fans expecting a high finish to the season, sometimes unrealistically.
This one doesn't make much sense to me but we do need bodies
@BShark said in The portal.:
This one doesn't make much sense to me but we do need bodies
Yeah lets not
@kjayhawks Were going to have many new players for sure, my main worry now is that we are going to struggle even getting Portal players at this present time because if they become of aware of the /coaching status and even the slightest possibility of Self being gone then it will cause issues bit knowing who the /coach will be they will be playing for..
I will also say if now just saying guys that if this becomes reality then whoever comes in as our next Coach is going to be in a vey tough spot following our HOF Coach He is going to be in a tough spot trying to maintain the winning history of the program , and then having to come in with almost having to construct a whole new roster.
@drgnslayr a 100% spot on buddy, I’m in agreement with you. People above are mad at the idea of a GM but it appears to be working well for Duke.
@SlimShaddy54 right I just struggle to think we will have more than one rotation player on campus right now with Jackson. Those deeper roster spot will be hard to fill thru the portal. Guys won’t want to come in to be the 10th guy in 7-8 man rotation.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
This one doesn't make much sense to me but we do need bodies
Yeah lets not
LMAO
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
This one doesn't make much sense to me but we do need bodies
Yeah lets not
LMAO
Like at least we are still recruiting given all the rumors out there but my god man.
The good news is Auburn has his brother so surely they will take him if they want.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
This one doesn't make much sense to me but we do need bodies
Yeah lets not
LMAO
Like at least we are still recruiting given all the rumors out there but my god man.
The good news is Auburn has his brother so surely they will take him if they want.
I told you man it feels like they just look for who averages the most ppg in the portal and recruit based off that. We need to evaluate for FIT more than anything.
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
This is going to make you sick…. Duke seems like they have D1 figured out. I hate that school.
What is working for Duke? Signing FOUR top 20 recruits last year including the overall number 1 guy? They've done this crap for years. Cal made final fours too.
There were people around here crying that we needed more one and dones when that was "the thing to do".
The idea that you want a coach who has 25 years of success doing something to instantly change is hilarious.
There is no formula he can change to guarantee success now. It's all over. If people want to point out Duke as the "formula" then you have to overtake them at ESPN and other media to become the darling.
I've moved beyond thinking this is college basketball anymore and I suggest the rest of you do the same.
You are cheering for an AAU team with a college name on the jersey. You are cheering for a bank name on the floor of the court.
Have fun watching Peterson play one season. If that is what you are interested in you could have watched him this year on youtube. Oh, he will wear a Kansas jersey for a year and he's a lifetime Jayhawk!! Do any of you consider Embiid a Jayhawk? He's the poster child for all this crap. The dude is nonstop injured(including at Kansas) and only cares about maximizing his bank account.
I'm sure I'll watch the games next year but only because I have a 15-year-old son who will turn them on.
I've said this here before and obviously, my opinion and/or fandom doesn't matter but when Bill Self retires I'm out.
@BigBad said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
This is going to make you sick…. Duke seems like they have D1 figured out. I hate that school.
What is working for Duke? Signing FOUR top 20 recruits last year including the overall number 1 guy? They've done this crap for years. Cal made final fours too.
There were people around here crying that we needed more one and dones when that was "the thing to do".
The idea that you want a coach who has 25 years of success doing something to instantly change is hilarious.
There is no formula he can change to guarantee success now. It's all over. If people want to point out Duke as the "formula" then you have to overtake them at ESPN and other media to become the darling.
I've moved beyond thinking this is college basketball anymore and I suggest the rest of you do the same.
You are cheering for an AAU team with a college name on the jersey. You are cheering for a bank name on the floor of the court.
Have fun watching Peterson play one season. If that is what you are interested in you could have watched him this year on youtube. Oh, he will wear a Kansas jersey for a year and he's a lifetime Jayhawk!! Do any of you consider Embiid a Jayhawk? He's the poster child for all this crap. The dude is nonstop injured(including at Kansas) and only cares about maximizing his bank account.
I'm sure I'll watch the games next year but only because I have a 15-year-old son who will turn them on.
I've said this here before and obviously, my opinion and/or fandom doesn't matter but when Bill Self retires I'm out.
We are partly in this position we are in because Bill was loyal to mediocre players who should’ve largely been recruited over. I don’t care if they stay 4 years if they’re bad players. I consider Joel a Jayhawk just as much as I consider Jalen Wilson one. It’s easy to tell these kids to turn down millions for our satisfaction but that’s not reality.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Thought we were on the right track with some other targets but maybe just luck :loudly_crying_face:
Lmao Self switched the search settings after Case tried to save him.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
We are partly in this position we are in because Bill was loyal to mediocre players who should’ve largely been recruited over. I don’t care if they stay 4 years if they’re bad players. I consider Joel a Jayhawk just as much as I consider Jalen Wilson one. It’s easy to tell these kids to turn down millions for our satisfaction but that’s not reality.
Does anyone consider this: DeJuan and KJ came to Kansas BEFORE NIL. DeJuan was a kid Self didn't really want anyway. He comes from a horrible upbringing and does not have the academic background. Works his butt off in a redshirt year and then helps Kansas win a title. KJ is another hard worker who lost his mom to cancer while at Kansas.
Yet some of you act like its insane for Bill Self to show loyalty to two kids who basically represent everything he believes in.
If we had the 2008 team this year 90% of the young dumb fanbase would be crying about Darnell Jackson and Rus Rob. Coach is stupid man! he needs to play Sherron and Cole more or they will transfer! At least that argument would have been about actual studs on the bench. The idea that Flory and Coit/Moore were somehow going to take this team to the promise land was fools gold anyway.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Asked a friend (who happens to be a long time basketball coach) about him and he had this to say:
"I pray they don’t go that route. One of the worst defenders I’ve ever seen. He has moments that make Zeke look like Tony Allen"
I’ll be rooting for Bruce Pearl to win this recruiting battle.
@BigBad said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
We are partly in this position we are in because Bill was loyal to mediocre players who should’ve largely been recruited over. I don’t care if they stay 4 years if they’re bad players. I consider Joel a Jayhawk just as much as I consider Jalen Wilson one. It’s easy to tell these kids to turn down millions for our satisfaction but that’s not reality.
Does anyone consider this: DeJuan and KJ came to Kansas BEFORE NIL. DeJuan was a kid Self didn't really want anyway. He comes from a horrible upbringing and does not have the academic background. Works his butt off in a redshirt year and then helps Kansas win a title. KJ is another hard worker who lost his mom to cancer while at Kansas.
Yet some of you act like its insane for Bill Self to show loyalty to two kids who basically represent everything he believes in.
If we had the 2008 team this year 90% of the young dumb fanbase would be crying about Darnell Jackson and Rus Rob. Coach is stupid man! he needs to play Sherron and Cole more or they will transfer! At least that argument would have been about actual studs on the bench. The idea that Flory and Coit/Moore were somehow going to take this team to the promise land was fools gold anyway.
Darnell Jackson was a NBA draft pick and Russ was worlds better than Harris. It sucks they went through personal tragedies at KU. But that doesnt mean you let your loyalty to them torpedo your program which Self did.
They always got excuses made for them. TRob lost his mom too…do you think Self gave him a pass for not rebounding like he did KJ cause he went through a personal tragedy?
Coach has always had favorites…it’s just that guys like Frank, Sherron, Devonte and others had rafters talent. This time he fell in love with mid major talent. That’s on him. He’s at fault for this mess as much as anyone.
@BigBad hope you stick around. As with your feeling about Self, my feeling about this board goes beyond basketball. If we scattered to the wind, I’d miss the conversation and the diversity of opinions we have here. Would happily talk about anything, if theres something else everyone is interested in. We can pivot and make new buckets to talk about other stuff.
@BigBad said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Just start the Fire Bill Self thread.
Wanting Bill to change and not play favorites doesn’t mean I want him fired. I want him to run the program and not a charity organization. Play the best players. Amateurism is gone so treat it as such.
@drgnslayr One thing I want to push back against with your thoughts on UH is that they have absolutely had NBA talent during this run. Since 2019, they've had 8 players drafted so he hasn't had this run without NBA talent.
Also, I know some here think Hurley is the current best coach in college basketball, but outside of two titles, he's never been past the first weekend in the NCAA Tournament. This year is also Bruce Pearl's first time past the first weekend since 2019.
I come here for KU basketball only. Careful @approxinfinity the “other stuff” has driven off many of the old posters. I mostly use the block feature on people whom can’t stick to KU basketball.
Royals and Chiefs! KU fb and other KU sports
@BigBad said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
We are partly in this position we are in because Bill was loyal to mediocre players who should’ve largely been recruited over. I don’t care if they stay 4 years if they’re bad players. I consider Joel a Jayhawk just as much as I consider Jalen Wilson one. It’s easy to tell these kids to turn down millions for our satisfaction but that’s not reality.
Does anyone consider this: DeJuan and KJ came to Kansas BEFORE NIL. DeJuan was a kid Self didn't really want anyway. He comes from a horrible upbringing and does not have the academic background. Works his butt off in a redshirt year and then helps Kansas win a title. KJ is another hard worker who lost his mom to cancer while at Kansas.
Yet some of you act like its insane for Bill Self to show loyalty to two kids who basically represent everything he believes in.
If we had the 2008 team this year 90% of the young dumb fanbase would be crying about Darnell Jackson and Rus Rob. Coach is stupid man! he needs to play Sherron and Cole more or they will transfer! At least that argument would have been about actual studs on the bench. The idea that Flory and Coit/Moore were somehow going to take this team to the promise land was fools gold anyway.
Comparing guys like Jackson whom was drafted to a guy like KJ that likely is done with basketball is laughable. KJ and Juan are great guys and would’ve been fine serving in back up roles. I’ve always said KJ should’ve been a Mitch Lightfoot type of player. RusRob I think is somewhat comparable to Juan but was better defensively. Collins played plenty very similar to Remy in the 2022 tournament they pretty much went 50/50 for PT.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BigBad said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Just start the Fire Bill Self thread.
Wanting Bill to change and not play favorites doesn’t mean I want him fired. I want him to run the program and not a charity organization. Play the best players. Amateurism is gone so treat it as such.
BINGO!! Everytime someone disagrees with Self or thinks he needs to change, doesn’t mean fire his ass right this second. We such a nation of absolutes right now
People are screaming foul with Flory on X as he officially enters the portal with a no contact clause. They are saying g his handler was on contract with a dozen schools mid season on. Just waiting on the biggest bag they can get.
Now Griffin is in the portal
@kjayhawks From what I’ve read that didn’t happen until his minutes got cut after he dominated the stretch filling in for KJ.
The argument from KU’s side is he is all about the money but that doesn’t add up with the timeline to start shopping mid season. The minute cut and how he was handled by Self is what spurred them to say, “screw it let’s go get minutes so Flory can flourish and grab the bag”
If Flory had been playing and was happy here - you know it would have been “hey KU just bump his pay and let’s get this done” - instead it’s screw you for sitting Flory an nba talent behind kj after Flory proved it with double doubles and not fouling out - we are done and going elsewhere
@CasterTroy Shocking - didn’t see that one coming!!!!
Bama buddy coming in clutch mid season
Man the turmoil this season was insane all because Self said he wanted the big 3 to be who everything ran through
What a incorrect view of their talent
Hey, we still have a starting 5, but no bench!
@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
Comparing guys like Jackson whom was drafted to a guy like KJ that likely is done with basketball is laughable. KJ and Juan are great guys and would’ve been fine serving in back up roles. I’ve always said KJ should’ve been a Mitch Lightfoot type of player. RusRob I think is somewhat comparable to Juan but was better defensively. Collins played plenty very similar to Remy in the 2022 tournament they pretty much went 50/50 for PT.
I'm comparing FAN REACTION. Cole had WAY more upside than Kaun or Jackson. The modern fan would ABSOLUTELY be annoyed when Kaun missed a layup or Jackson couldn't shoot beyond 15'.
@Crimsonorblue22 Did you
think that we might be looking at our Foot Ball program possibly being in a better position then our Basketball in this current status ?- -I sure didn't. Our Football future looking bright our Basket ball-- -right now , doesn't look like.
@BigBad About a month ago I was arguing with people here about Peterson, but I thought it was Patterson?? Anyways I took wasn't excited and a lot of people were talking about the impact he'll have on the program because other kids will want to come here too. They said Embiid and Higgins or is it Wiggins (I can never remember because he's kind of not a Jayhawk to me) led to better recruiting which culminated in a Natty and a FF a few years before. Not sure about that, but there also wasn't this inane portal back then either. Unless Patterson joins some other studs ala Duke this year, then whatever.
@BigBad I've ben saying for a long time other friends of mine- -not here but on the outside I've been saying how much the NIL & this joke of a portal has ruined the Game of Colleg Basketball.-- THERE IS o such thing as College Basketball anymore.
With what they have done with NIL and the portal all it is now is a minor league for the pro's hell half these kids don't give a flying F - - - about the School itself it's just show me the money- -they don't care about the name on the front of the Jersey. All it has become is a Giant meat market- - If your lucky and you land a legit player and win the bidding war---- -you might get a top Sirloin ( - -well done-- and if you strike out you if your lucky will get a Oscar Myer Weine -and not even a plumper at that
@TYOHawk Do we remember who Frank and Devonte both were recruited by BEFORE Coach Self started recruiting them.--Most of the Schols were those so called schools recruiting them BEFORE SLEF was mid major.-- Then you have idiots that said Self couldn't develop players.-- sure look like they became much , better players AFTER they had been here for some years
@SlimShaddy54 I’m hearing Flory is back at his handlers house in Indiana and they are offering him a minimum of 2 Million to be a Hoosier. Not sure I’d match that offer for a guy that’s likely 2 years away from being a lottery pick.
@kjayhawks Asking, cause I don't know-- but does a lottery ( top 15 ) right lottery ) do they make more then two million in the rooie campaign ? -Sorry I'm not that aware.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Do we remember who Frank and Devonte both were recruited by BEFORE Coach Self started recruiting them.--Most of the Schols were those so called schools recruiting them BEFORE SLEF was mid major.-- Then you have idiots that said Self couldn't develop players.-- sure look like they became much , better players AFTER they had been here for some years
Development now is 6 months. Which is FAKE. In reality these guys are not developing anyone, they are just good at quick roster builds.
So what's the latest recruiting of Josh Dix ?- -is he no longer an option ? - -I thought we were in on him pretty good. All these departures and then rumor on Coach sure can't help I know
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Do we remember who Frank and Devonte both were recruited by BEFORE Coach Self started recruiting them.--Most of the Schols were those so called schools recruiting them BEFORE SLEF was mid major.-- Then you have idiots that said Self couldn't develop players.-- sure look like they became much , better players AFTER they had been here for some years
Frank Mason was a success story and deserves all the praise in the world. But Frank was an elite athlete and guys like Jerry Meyer routinely said he was undervalued.
Devonte was a top 45 recruit when he was at Brewster on Rivals. Bossi and others were pretty high on him after his post-grad year at Brewster.
I’d argue for Ochai and CB as success stories in that regard. But they were elite athletes..Dajuan was never that.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@dylans well seems like we are interested in tv shows, gardening, wisconsin basketball, and probably a few other things most people can get behind?
I’d still love to see a KU Baseball section on here!
Hearing now therre is a legit chance Bryson Tiller maybe considering transfer. -- Hearing that could possibly know something on Josh Dix in the next week.
Podcast feels that Josh Dix at this point should be our # one priority- -then even though Hall has some drawbacks still feel he is our # two priority- -stating that the kid is a bruiser, and he does get to the line quite a few times, something we have been missing these last couple of years and makes them too.
Hearing Florys portal decision was more then just about the Money- -sems to think there was a trust issue with the Coaching staff along with some other players feeling there was a trust issue.
Florys people was not happy about Florys development and also Handler said they were leaving the door open possibly to return-- - But really don't count on it. don't
Assume that Flory is definitely gone??? If he does end up staying, he, DP and Elmarko would provide a pretty strong foundation. Add Dix and Hall, and that would be a salty starting 5. But trust there is a lot more portal drama ahead, coming and going...
Seems like —$2mil for Flory is going rate or less. Hope we offer him something competitive.
@approxinfinity he would help get the ball rolling! An oop at least!
I'm trying to clean up my language, so to all the KU players entering the portal - intercourse you and don't let the door hit you in the hiney
The annual postseason banquet was canceled.
1, 2, 3 FAMILY!
Bad news
@BigBad said in The portal.:
The annual postseason banquet was canceled.
1, 2, 3 FAMILY!
Tells you how Bill feels about this season. Says it all really.
Tweet just said 'KU fans like to complain about NIL hurting the program, but KU has more NIL to spend than anyone else. This is a program problem.' What do you think.
Read from TOS Rak ease was interviewed , and said he could return back to KU
@wissox said in The portal.:
Tweet just said 'KU fans like to complain about NIL hurting the program, but KU has more NIL to spend than anyone else. This is a program problem.' What do you think.
I partially agree with this statement. NIL is hurting the program because Self can't build a program his preferred way of letting players develop. Too many freshmen don't have the patience to wait their turn anymore as we've seen.
John Calipari said after Arkansas lost to Tech I think, or at least sometime during the tournament, that NIL has largely killed high school recruiting. Most top programs value experience over everything and since they're in win now mode every year instead of being allowed "rebuid" years, programs aren't recruiting HS kids the same way anymore.
A couple of schools are still largely building, retaining, and developing their own players rather than building through the portal and those Purdue and Marquette. It can be done, but KU isn't a place where fans are patient enough for that anymore. If this fanbase was collectively patient enough for that, Self probably could make that still happen.
@RockkChalkk done! added a couple categories, including KU Baseball.
Clearly the transfer portal and the NIL are not working. It sucks and has ruined college sports. I honestly have no issue with either the idea of the NIL or the portal but in tandem there have to be contracts and commitments and all the stuff that goes along with every other (professional) sports leagues. That goes for both the schools/businesses and the students/employees.
Want to commit to a school as a frosh? 1 year commitment like the old signing days. (I'd prefer 2, but at least this keeps rosters in check)
Transfer as a soph/junior ... 2-year contract to whichever school. They have to keep you and pay you. No one year hopping around BS. Leave early and you sit a year.
Transfer as a senior. Sky is the limit.
That would at least settle stuff down for building teams 1-2 years. For the fans, you know.
Contracts are coming very soon (in some cases already signed in football). Revshare will change the game
@Texas-Hawk-10 And right on cue Colvin leaves Purdue, young 4 star guard who was decent this past year.
@BShark Self may have made the official “hey guys it’s cancelled” decision but that’s because half the team has checked out of classes and is done. No one was sticking around for that….there were only 3-4 guys on the roster (that played) that respected Self and likewise Self to them (he didn’t respect many from the jump)
I’m curious what people have seen in these last 24 months that make you want to have Self around next year
The only reason I’d keep him is for DP but if it got out DP would come if Oats or Golden accepted the job then Self can exit stage left for the betterment of the program which per his words no coach is bigger than. He did well during his time here but it’s time to step aside
When you don’t play the best players, never attempt 4 guards in a legitimate game except once and then it works but you create some ridiculous reason how we were “so bad defensively” - what a freaking crock so he can keep playing “his guys”. If Self is some defensive genius he should have figured out a way to teach the 4 guard lineup to defend
He’s always done this but as others have said the players having equal leverage with the coaches has exposed it
Storr and Griffin came here after being at big P5 schools NOT THE MID MAJOR EXCUSE — and they digressed horribly
It not the players it’s the coach, his system and how he treated the guys
Issue is he always latches onto a lower level guy who he favors over the higher ceiling guys. Morningstar, Reed, traylor, kj, d2….
That’s why I know he can’t fix this, won’t change his ways and we are wasting years “letting Self go out on his own terms”. I mean fine if you want to watch the house burn down standing inside so be it
Indiana and UCLA here we come! Heck we are letting guys come here for a year and then play in their prime for IU and a coach who without his best player and another injured best Self’s “boys” in AFH
Looking forward to playing a round with Self when he’s retired, looking him squarely in the eyes and asking WTH were you seeing/thinking because it clearly didn’t work!
The banquet is probably not going to exist going forward. A thing of the past given the new landscape of college basketball.
@RockkChalkk there is a baseball session. -- Are you talking pro or KU?--KU college baseball is unde and older thread Ku is 8-0.-- now they are 23-6 , I post on there quite a bi trying to keep fans updated about the guys. Their really good
@kuballin10 Seems like Reed and morningstar did just fine when they played here hmmmm
@drgnslayr interesting take:
"2. Resolve coaching situation - I’m not calling for Bill to resign, but we need to acknowledge that something isn’t working properly. This became obvious this year. We were probably the most-experienced team in D1 but we played like a high school team. It was more than having a bad match of players. These guys didn’t improve at all this entire season and may have even gone backwards. An easy cop out is to blame the character of the players. Then explain why the transfers mostly had huge drop offs in their stats. This stupid idea that they just got spoiled on NIL shows an ignorance in knowing the psyche of players. None of these guys got to this level without wanting to win and having good personal pride. I’m convinced if we don’t have a change from this year’s approach, we are headed for the same thing next year, regardless of the talent we bring in. To win, our guys need to overachieve."
I was a bit rude, and I got flak for saying our team resembled a high school squad, but I’m relieved to know I’m not alone in thinking that. It’s tough to pick up and adjust to new strategies when the coach refuses to budge. Looking back at 2022, some could say BS was the Hall of Fame standout. But let’s not overlook that Remy was the key factor in our victory. He’s not tied to the establishment. He brought a unique mindset that clicked perfectly. He did things on his own terms.
However, CB’s growth might suggest the coaching staff’s efforts paid off, but I’m skeptical it’s that straightforward or certain.
So more guys exiting the program. Makes me feel more like Flory isn’t coming back. He’s the guy I wanted back… even though his offense is limited to 5 feet from the basket.
Is this true that DP isn’t worried? Glad he isn’t because I’m not feeling comfortable with all new guys after the past couple years.
I’m sorry for being so damn skeptical!
Now I’m seeing a coming year with all new guys in a system we all agree players need years to learn. We will have all the cameras in town surrounding DP so what can we expect on the court?
I’m hoping Bill is busy now; waking each morning with a health smoothie and stepping 5000 steps! He’s reading all the player reviews and building his third title team! He’s interviewing a new assistant coach, an expert in development, along with reading resumes for the new GM position! There will be a big announcement coming out of the AD’s office as soon as next week!
While we are busy panicking over all the player losses… think about this… no players will have seniority and favoritism next year!
Someone tell me… are the NIL caps starting now? Maybe we will need a little extra help from Adidas! (Sorry, bad joke!)
Flory's situation isn't all that surprising. He just watched his close teammate KJ rupture his Achilles potentially ruining his professional career whether that be the g-league or overseas. Elmarko in the same situation to a lesser extent. So you're not guaranteed health in this game. So him and his handlers see KJ go down and think to themselves, yes we want all the advantages playing at KU provides, but we want higher pay that's closer to what DP is getting since they were similarly ranked coming out of high-school. He paid his dues sitting behind Hunter and KJ, when he would have been playing 30+ minutes a game practically anywhere else. Pay the dude and move on. Role and bench players don't have the leverage at a school like Kansas. So they will either enjoy the perks of being a Jayhawk or leave to play at a lesser program. Bill Self and KU have the bag etc to bring in a bevy of comparable talent to fill those spots. I think Flory returns knowing it will be his and DP's team. Self will secure those complimentary players necessary to maximize the core groups talents. The sky is not falling.
@madmax The sky is definitely not falling for me. I officially am give-a-crap-less after this season. Let the little mini-pro's do their commercials and take stacks of cash to the bank every day. I don't care anymore. I will probably still watch sports - mostly teams that aren't KU, because I have/had no emotional investment in them. Whatever happens to this coach, this "team" - not my concern.
I watch the NFL and enjoy it. Their pay doesn’t affect me in the least bit. Same goes for any hard working college kid that wants to get paid, they should be able to make a very good wage. Does an 18 year old out earning the average fan put them off?
The money isn’t the issue, roster construction is. There needs to be some form of stability for this to work. Pros work under contract. Be it a one year contract or multiple years, you know what you’re getting. This allows the GM/coach to construct a roster with some form of future vision/growth in mind.
The current ncaa/calipari model isn’t for coaches who develop players. Coaches like Self do better with continuity, unfortunately this last year the continuity was Hunter, Dejuan, and KJ - more glue guys than take charge leaders. And zero continuity for next season.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I don’t have very high expectations currently, which is a different place to be in than the last couple decades.
It will be hilarious? Sad? Tragic? when KU lands all the portal riches we can imagine and gets ranked pre season number 1 again. I have to agree my expectations are extremely low for next year. And I'm not sure there are portal guys that will change those expectations.
I still won’t understand if we can’t retain Bidunga. Surely we can offer him a competitive salary and starter minutes at a flagship program. Regardless of etiquette regarding portal, won’t the ends justify the means? Flory is the key to continuity.
The canceled banquet is the strongest signal that there's trouble in River City.
Expectations are fragile, but powerful. Expectations for the fans, the team and the staff were very hight at the beginning of the season. The preseason ranking, the portal recruiting and NIL money all fed this.
Speaking for myself, the expectations have been shattered and that has left me with a sense of loss.
But, high expectations are not necessarily the problem: Teams need high expectations to a degree. Players have to believe that they can win. But it can be a double-edged sword.
The high expectation carried the team through the preseason. But that first roadtrip to Creighton and Missouri shook the confidence and the doubts and criticism started to set in. As the B12 season started with a loss, the extremely high expectations became a detriment.
Home losses. Slipping out of the top 10, then 20 then 25. The disappointment snowballed. It was palpable with the fans and observable with the team.
I think a big part of recovery within the program relies on resetting expectations properly and then and managing those expectations carefully. (Fans' expectations are impossible to manage... The program needs to put on ear muffs to most of the outside world and work through this.)
On this board, there's been a lot of discussion about accountability (playing the best guys and not having favorites, etc.), which is sort of the other side of the coin to expectations. I personally believe (complete outsider view) that accountability is not as much of the problem given that there has been such a track record of success and success is predicated on accountability.
However, the glue that ties accountability and expectations together is communication. Here is where I think things may have gone sideways. Self has been pretty loyal to seniors and I think has pride in the program's tradition and ability to bring guys along to the senior night, etc. If the incoming portal guys were not given accurate guidance on their role, or even if they were, and they feel their expectations were violated, they are going to get disenchanted.
That disenchantment from unrealized expectations is corrosive, and I think that's where things stand.
@approxinfinity I do think there is some what of a question of do we WANT continuity from this past season? That team was such a mess, is it better to just start completely fresh?
To be clear I also love Flory and wish he was going to be a jayhawk next year, but once you put yourself in the portal... loyalty, trust, and continuity are no longer traits you can lean on. There is also the idea of precedent to consider. Like does every player then just put themselves in the portal every year hoping to get a raise from their current school? Does KU want to set that as standard operating procedure?
Anyone heard an update on what is going on with Storr? For somebody that everyone was certain that he was going to enter it is just weird that he is the last one to announce.
Has anyone answered the Q about whether Flory, as an international recruit, is able to get NIL? Grady wasn't, but he didn't go to HS in the US. Flory did, I think, so is that the difference? I thought it was a student visa restriction...don't want to jeopardize a visa right now!
@MR11 said in The portal.:
Anyone heard an update on what is going on with Storr? For somebody that everyone was certain that he was going to enter it is just weird that he is the last one to announce.
He will enter
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
I still won’t understand if we can’t retain Bidunga. Surely we can offer him a competitive salary and starter minutes at a flagship program. Regardless of etiquette regarding portal, won’t the ends justify the means? Flory is the key to continuity.
The main thing is maybe they don't see Flory as a guy worth two million dollars. Maybe some more time spent talking to other players and agents will change that.
Also it's not all about the money on this one. The locker room and culture was beyond rancid this last season.
@BShark cant imagine Flory being hard to work with, with a different cast around him, from what I have seen of him at pressers. :man_shrugging: also cant imagine them thinking he isnt worth the cabbage if other programs think he is. And there just is no way we get someone with Flory’s ceiling at the 5 for next year in the portal.
@benshawks08 to me losing your top productive returner because you aren't willing to pony up is potentially a more dangerous precedent than being strong armed. Certainly since Flory and handlers have legit reasons to be irritated with usage last year. Bill won’t be here forever. Easy to reset expectations re: strong-arming with new coach later.
@approxinfinity I tend to agree about Flory. The only thing I can think is that these days what makes a guy easy or hard to work with goes beyond the guy and extends to his agent and 'team'.
So some of the issues we see may be about the individual and some may be about others around the player. For us outsiders, there's rarely visibility to know which is which for sure.
Flory's "handler" has been posting on the phog. About all you need to know about that guy.
I would like to be a fly on the wall, of Bill Self's brain right now.
Bill has been treated nothing short of a God since he arrived in Lawrence.
I know he's getting some blow back for the first time.
We've had the typical blue-blood expectation failures in the past... basically.. every year we don't win a NC. But we've never had so many "fans" calling for his head within the Jayhawk nation.
I've never called for Bill to receive the ax. But I have questioned if it is smart for Bill to stick this out. Is his current situation building on his legacy? I would say "no" but that could change and send him skyrocketing over Jayhawk Mountain if he would win another title.
I believe... he is the only one on the planet that knows if he has another title in him.
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
But I have questioned if it is smart for Bill to stick this out.
He could have gone the Jay Wright route. Heck, he could have retired after the 2022 title and basically never had a blemish.
I could be wrong... but I heard from someone at Duke that their GM manages players' handlers. Not sure what that means. Is the GM attempting to be their handlers? Seems a conflict of interest and I don't think that is possible because these people have been around players while they come up and many stick with them all through their basketball careers after college. Maybe the GM is the voice of the university dealing with the handlers.
This Flory situation is the perfect situation where we see the weakness of our athletic program's relationships with handlers. It is possible we lose Flory over monster communication errors or lack of communication. I'm seeing Flory is receiving nasty remarks from fans and it just perpetuates his departure. As someone else said on here, I wonder if the KJ injury impacted Flory. It should. He risks a huge chunk of his future everytime he steps on the floor for KU. At least fans seem to now be educated enough to stop the nonsense of claiming an education is fair trade.
Imagine if we had a GM who stays in constant contact with all the players' handlers. I'm pretty sure, just giving handlers acknowledgment would be a huge step in recruiting the handlers as Jayhawks! I am certain we would be in a better place today with a GM!
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
I could be wrong... but I heard from someone at Duke that their GM manages players' handlers. Not sure what that means. Is the GM attempting to be their handlers? Seems a conflict of interest and I don't think that is possible because these people have been around players while they come up and many stick with them all through their basketball careers after college. Maybe the GM is the voice of the university dealing with the handlers.
This Flory situation is the perfect situation where we see the weakness of our athletic program's relationships with handlers. It is possible we lose Flory over monster communication errors or lack of communication. I'm seeing Flory is receiving nasty remarks from fans and it just perpetuates his departure. As someone else said on here, I wonder if the KJ injury impacted Flory. It should. He risks a huge chunk of his future everytime he steps on the floor for KU. At least fans seem to now be educated enough to stop the nonsense of claiming an education is fair trade.
Imagine if we had a GM who stays in constant contact with all the players' handlers. I'm pretty sure, just giving handlers acknowledgment would be a huge step in recruiting the handlers as Jayhawks! I am certain we would be in a better place today with a GM!
That's what a GM in college does. They manage the NIL side of the program. Part of that includes communication with parents/handlers in regards to NIL stuff. The head coach still has final say on everything, but a GM deals with all the NIL stuff related to a program.
Am I wrong... or might we be sitting better today with Flory had we had a GM?
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
Am I wrong... or might we be sitting better today with Flory had we had a GM?
Depends on what the actual root of the issue with Flory is.
Need contracts in the ncaa. Until then it’s just a yearly bidding war for each player that you lured in with money. Traditional recruiting has been corrupted.
@dylans said in The portal.:
Need contracts in the ncaa. Until then it’s just a yearly bidding war for each player that you lured in with money. Traditional recruiting has been corrupted.
Apparently going to happen soon-ish
@dylans I watch the NFL also (mostly the Chiefs) and it doesn't bother me. Why? Because they mostly have gone to college, got a job and are getting paid because they were deemed worthy to play in the NFL. College is different (in my mind) - they haven't paid their dues. They're just money hungry little punks, most of whom will never set foot in a professional sports arena.
From TOS, the question was raised. With the players that have entered the portal , why are they ignoring KU ? - Poster answered -- - Portal is a week old , and could be because of the uncertainty of the Coach.-- Do we think this is valid point ?
Does Coach Self need to come out and flat out make it perfectly clear about his future for the upcoming Season ?
Henry Veesaar from Arizona in the portal- --Any Interest ?-- ---K J Lewis from Arizona in the Portal from Arizona- - ---Any interest ? -- I think I would have to reach out for KJ if it were up to me .- Interest anybody ?
Just heard this, ha ANYONE else heard whispers, rumblings of this at all ?- ---A J Storr is coming back nnd that his girlfriend played a huge role in this decision.--Anybody else seen anything about this anywhere ?
Sounds like some major fundraising was done recently. Self and Goff took a fundraising trip down to Texas together. Had to improve the NIL situation with recent changes to the transfer market.
@SlimShaddy54 Vesaar abused Dickinson fwiw
Sr night, Hunter had 33 pts, az big had 5, 14 mins, 4 fouls
Big 12 tournament
I know. Just saying.
AJ did improve, I would've started him over Rylan 2nd half of the Arky game. Rylan was a zero across the board, I think. AJ was aggressive!
@nuleafjhawk said in The portal.:
@dylans I watch the NFL also (mostly the Chiefs) and it doesn't bother me. Why? Because they mostly have gone to college, got a job and are getting paid because they were deemed worthy to play in the NFL. College is different (in my mind) - they haven't paid their dues. They're just money hungry little punks, most of whom will never set foot in a professional sports arena.
I wonder why someone else earning money bothers some? As you say, “most will never be able to set foot in a professional sports arena” and get paid. Meanwhile the program is making millions off of their backs. I don’t mind them maximizing what they get paid in what is a very short earning window in their life. I just would like some stability too. Both can be achieved with better structure.
Paying dues… I get the premise, but longer tenure doesn’t mean better at your job. Sometimes quite the opposite. Most geniuses have made their impact by 27 - this is the same, but physical genius instead of intellectual.
"If you don't want problems, don't recruit them.
I don't recruit entitlement kids.
There is no way that I recruit a kid unless I know that he will buy into the way we do things."
Great teams don’t have passengers.
This isn’t a ride, it’s a responsibility.
Coach Sampson
@dylans I'll tell you why I don't like them making money. Because I'm old and old school. In my world, college kids get free room and board, free tuition and a free education. That's enough. It's more than enough. Believe what you want to but money will destroy college sports. I'll guarantee you that I'm not the only one who feels this way.
@BShark said in The portal.:
Sounds like some major fundraising was done recently. Self and Goff took a fundraising trip down to Texas together. Had to improve the NIL situation with recent changes to the transfer market.
When are they going to use it!! :)
An intriguing name in the portal today, Ernest Udeh. With KU's needs in the post, this would someone who's obviously familiar with the system so there wouldn't be the learning curve that there is with other players. He's never developed into much of an offensive threat, but has become a pretty good defender.
I don't know that Udeh would have any interest in coming back to KU, but I would at least make that phone call and see.
@Texas-Hawk-10 what would we have to guarantee him? He started at tcu.
@Woodrow said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Sounds like some major fundraising was done recently. Self and Goff took a fundraising trip down to Texas together. Had to improve the NIL situation with recent changes to the transfer market.
When are they going to use it!! :)
Hopefully soon! XD
I’d anticipate news of visits this week
@Crimsonorblue22 said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 what would we have to guarantee him? He started at tcu.
Who do we have now at the 5? If he wanted to come back, he'd be the starting 5 next season.
@nuleafjhawk couldn't agree more it already has destroyed basket ball. Like you said they already getting free ride, free room and board free education I mean hell . There is no such thing as College Basket ball anymore , just like a minor farm system for the NBA anymore
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
I’d anticipate news of visits this week
I'm anticipating a visitor tomorrow.
The one thing the portal has definitely exposed is the self-aggrandizing egos some of these average players have. They ALL bolt, and programs are stuck trying to build teams around a bunch of selfish quitters instead of those chuds staying where they probably fit into a thought-out balanced roster originally.
I need to back away from this for a while. I'm just intensely irritated by the way this has played out for the past decade with Selby/Alexander/Silvio etc. and all that nothingness. There is no purpose for the NCAA at this point, and they brought it on themselves.
Jaybate... I'm probably heading to where you are (assuming you are still alive and happy). You were right.
looks like a new name on the board kid named Corbin Allen- -6'4 Sg ehhh.
Peterson is playing, now. Espn. Smooth
Storr could return,I'd still call it unlikely.
If Storr comes back we'd better not pay him even half of what we paid him last season.
@nuleafjhawk said in The portal.:
@dylans I'll tell you why I don't like them making money. Because I'm old and old school. In my world, college kids get free room and board, free tuition and a free education. That's enough. It's more than enough. Believe what you want to but money will destroy college sports. I'll guarantee you that I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Oh I mostly fall into feeling that way too. It’s just not an easily defensible position given introspection. Scholarship’s for players only seems like enough because we had to pay our own way or earn it thru academics which isn’t celebrated. If I did anything that drew 15,300 people and a tv crew to boot, I’d want paid too! If you really want to get disgusted look up Internet personalities salaries. But I digress.
College basketball is ruined because the foundation was based upon indentured servants who have broken free. Now the structure is inadequate because the NCAA couldn’t fathom paying for their labor and the ramifications of doing so. Poor leadership is a poor reason to not pay for their labor.
The portal plays into the madness. Free transfers with a bidding war for services and no salary cap. What could ever go wrong? I hate it, but it was inevitable.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
That's what a GM in college does. They manage the NIL side of the program. Part of that includes communication with parents/handlers in regards to NIL stuff. The head coach still has final say on everything, but a GM deals with all the NIL stuff related to a program.
Well, if Self was cool on the idea of having a GM, this situation might warm him up a bit.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@DanR eh. Lets see. This season was high expectations and low results. Maybe next will be the opposite.
Darryn and the miracles. We ride.
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
!!!
???
You can do a lot with $3m.
@FarmerJayhawk I'm assuming we're out?
@Crimsonorblue22 stranger things have happened but it would be a massive surprise
@FarmerJayhawk - To clarify, you believe Flory is going with Pearl?
He's coming
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Storr could return,I'd still call it unlikely.
What a plot twist
The talk is he wants to return at this point and that Bill is mulling it over.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Storr could return,I'd still call it unlikely.
What a plot twist
The talk is he wants to return at this point and that Bill is mulling it over.
Gonna keep it real..I’m not opposed to it.
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
Need a salary cap. It would be more interesting to see how big schools budget their resources as opposed to just outspending everyone Yankees style. More interesting (at least for me- I like the numbers side too) as well as more competitive.
@dylans said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
Need a salary cap. It would be more interesting to see how big schools budget their resources as opposed to just outspending everyone Yankees style. More interesting (at least for me- I like the numbers side too) as well as more competitive.
Isn’t the revenue sharing more or less about to put a salary cap on things?
I'm generally against running players that want to be here, have the potential to make an impact, and are putting in the work. Idk if the later is true but am here for him staying if he has bought in and accepts a lower role/NIL
He shouldn't scare anyone off from coming to KU so don't know that it hurts us too much even if he doesn't improve on last year.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@dylans said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
Need a salary cap. It would be more interesting to see how big schools budget their resources as opposed to just outspending everyone Yankees style. More interesting (at least for me- I like the numbers side too) as well as more competitive.
Isn’t the revenue sharing more or less about to put a salary cap on things?
Maybe. Supposedly. Depends on outside revenue streams. I’m not sure if NIL will 100% fall under that umbrella or if it’s just a second pot of gold for the players. 20.5 mil for all sports in total seems like less than is being spent currently.
@dylans said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@dylans said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
Need a salary cap. It would be more interesting to see how big schools budget their resources as opposed to just outspending everyone Yankees style. More interesting (at least for me- I like the numbers side too) as well as more competitive.
Isn’t the revenue sharing more or less about to put a salary cap on things?
Maybe. Supposedly. Depends on outside revenue streams. I’m not sure if NIL will 100% fall under that umbrella or if it’s just a second pot of gold for the players. 20.5 mil for all sports in total seems like less than is being spent currently.
NIL deals will have to be cleared by the NCAA now going forward. Has to be "legitimate" like the kid actually does something for the money. Makes an appearance etc
Does anyone have the Site " The Phog " that knows who Swain says we need to be keeping a close eye on a kid in the portal- - it's behind the VIP wall so don't know the kids name or position.- -Anyone know who it is ?
@dylans said in The portal.:
@BShark will it cap the earnings? Appearance fees can be very high if not.
That I do not know.
Interesting to see Jayden Quaintance from Arizona St in the portal. ACL recovery but would be one of the few upgrades to Flory out there if he comes back fully healthy.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@dylans said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@dylans said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Heard Auburn’s number for Flory is around $3m
Need a salary cap. It would be more interesting to see how big schools budget their resources as opposed to just outspending everyone Yankees style. More interesting (at least for me- I like the numbers side too) as well as more competitive.
Isn’t the revenue sharing more or less about to put a salary cap on things?
Maybe. Supposedly. Depends on outside revenue streams. I’m not sure if NIL will 100% fall under that umbrella or if it’s just a second pot of gold for the players. 20.5 mil for all sports in total seems like less than is being spent currently.
NIL deals will have to be cleared by the NCAA now going forward. Has to be "legitimate" like the kid actually does something for the money. Makes an appearance etc
This is why scholarship athletes could never have a job. Somebody would pay them 5k to "sweep the floor". There would have been fake jobs and the NCAA doesn't have the resources to police it. Then you get sob stories from players/coaches like Ostertag and Roy Williams about how poor Greg couldn't work and he was married with a child. No mention that he has free college which would help a ton of non-students. Also, creating a sob story about a 7' guy who was obviously going to have an NBA career was stupid.
The average American IQ drops every five years, so the average person can't extrapolate why rules are in place.
Be interesting to know if w have made any kind of contact with Lendelborg from UAB or not.-- -At this point and time they have him listed as the # one portal. 6'9 --240 forward Some pretty impressive stats
Or here is a Combo Guard to go along with Darryn- - -Silas Demary Jy good size for a Guard 6'5 195 Combo Guard-- -shot over 37 % from the three-- -- driver averaged 4.8 Free Throw attempts per -Wonder if w reached out-- Rated as the # Two player right now
@SlimShaddy54 Yaxel getting a first round grade a lot of places so there would be a risk he stays in the draft. Would take him though otherwise.
@MR11 Ya I would take him in a minute- --mercy. - -Found an interesting combo guard 6'6 Silas Demary - ove 37 % from the three and draws good amount of fouls on opposition -- averages right at 5 attempts per game - would fit nice with DP and they have him ranked the number TWO rated player in the portal at present
I watched pretty much every game of Rice and Gillespie at Maryland, both guards, and both of whom are in the portal.
They were fantastic and explosive.
Salary caps in pro leagues only are allowed because they have been negotiated in collective bargaining. Any effort to control the money athletes can get by having an NCAA impose a salary cap will run into the same problems as when they imposed a cap of zero. The system will only start working when schools accept that athletes are labor, and treat them accordingly.
@BigBad Back when athletes could work, fraud was pretty common in that an athlete would take a job with a boosters business, not do any work or even show up and still get paid.
The Ostertag story is a good one because while yes, he had an NBA future, that doesn't mean that his kid didn't have immediate needs while Ostertag wasn't allowed to earn an income and needed handouts that could've been considered NCAA violations.
The old system of players not being allowed to work was absolute bullshit and pure exploitation. People talk about athletes getting free room and board along with tuition like athletes are the only people on campus receiving those things. How many other kids on a college campus also get free rides through academic and financial needs based scholarships? At a place like KU, I'm sure that number is in the thousands. Are any of those kids restricted from having a job as a condition of their scholarship while they focus solely on whatever their major is? No, those kids are allowed to have jobs earn money beyond what their scholarships pay so why shouldn't athletes be allowed to do what every other group of students on a college campus are allowed to do?
Does the current model need tweaking? Absolutely, but the notion that an athlete that helps generate millions of dollars for a school shouldn't be allowed to do what every other group on a campus can do and earn extra income through a job is a garbage take IMO.
Darryn Petterson MVP for the West winning McD AA game. He has size, really runs the floor and will go the rack.
Darryn Peterson on last years team…
@approxinfinity ehh still had a plodding Hunter. Dejuan isn’t fast but it seems he went extra slow for Hunter. Dickinson had a huge influence in the roster construction and the pace of play. Next year will be different.
Keyshawn Hall to Auburn. I know some here will be disappointed in that, but I personally don't think he would've been a great fit in Self’s motion offense. We'll see what happens with Dix, but sounding like he may not end up here either. That would be a much bigger blow than Hall IMO.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I can live without Hall but I am still a little mad at BShark for promising that he would be a Jayhawk
@dylans said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity ehh still had a plodding Hunter. Dejuan isn’t fast but it seems he went extra slow for Hunter. Dickinson had a huge influence in the roster construction and the pace of play. Next year will be different.
To be determined!
AJ has entered the portal.
Go get me some dawgs
We had too many pretty boys like Jamari Traylor said last year. I can deal with losing but not cause we were getting out toughed. Those Houston losses still piss me off
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
Go get me some dawgs
We had too many pretty boys like Jamari Traylor said last year. I can deal with losing but not cause we were getting out toughed. Those Houston losses still piss me off
Honestly shocked by most guys Bill has brought in have been obvious personality clashes.
More Diggy/Shak Moore type personalties. Not undersized guards, but guys who play their asses off. Or change your coaching style to have a longer leash. Can’t do what we’ve been doing for sure.
I’m spacing on the timing for last year’s portal signings. When can we expect to make additions and not subtractions?
@rockchalkjayhawk soon come
@TYOHawk E - - X -- A - -C - -T - L - -Y ! ! get a couple of bruisers, mix it up, players that love contact and drive looking for contact . Kina like ol time Daryl Dawkins ( Choclate Thunder was his nick name )
He said when he went up for a flush/slam don't gt in my way because that is MY TIME-- need those kind of players, guys that can out tough you Physical- or players even like Christan, guys that play with some edge , cockiness to them , some one who can talk the stuff and yet who has game to back it up- -- No more tippy toe , emotionless that just show notjing
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk E - - X -- A - -C - -T - L - -Y ! ! get a couple of bruisers, mix it up, players that love contact and drive looking for contact . Kina like ol time Daryl Dawkins ( Choclate Thunder was his nick name )
He said when he went up for a flush/slam don't gt in my way because that is MY TIME-- need those kind of players, guys that can out tough you Physical- or players even like Christan, guys that play with some edge , cockiness to them , some one who can talk the stuff and yet who has game to back it up- -- No more tippy toe , emotionless that just show notjing
For the first time in decades…opposing teams came in the Phog and weren’t afraid. It was a rough season
Riddle me this - why is that we've had most of the team without remaining eligibility enter the portal, but we haven't yet gotten anyone from the portal??? Several of the top 50 or so portal guys have already committed - St. Johns, Baylor and Michigan have 2 each from the top 50 ranked. Why are they able to reload so quickly, and we are still on the side-line?
We could use a commit for morale purposes
Hell next thing we know our student Mgr's and water boys & equipment mgr's will be hitting the portal
Heard Zion's brother is still available -
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/gtunln/bodybuilder_basketball_player/ ↗
Last year we weren't even Kansas. We were kansas.
Famous Quote " All good things must pass "
There is something to that. And it’s not all about NIL and the portal. I think some of it is the times and youth are not into traditions like they used to be.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Famous Quote " All good things must pass "
Last year reminded me of a different saying. lol
Beans, beans, the musical fruit. The more you eat the more you toot… 🎶
What did i miss the last 5 days or so?? Anything fun?
@BeddieKU23 The whole team left and now everyone is panicing because they think we won't land anyone in the portal.
@patoh3 said in The portal.:
@DCHawker I’ve read that the staff are being more intentional with their picks looking for a better fit and if the ask on NIL is too high, then on to the next one. That is why AJ entered the portal.
Hhmm - so the other teams aren't doing their diligence and just taking flyers on their portal commits. Today, including UGA, which got a commit from Demary?
And, @nuleafjhawk even if we are now just Kansas, is that less than just Michigan, Baylor and St. Johns?
Seems like we are putting a lot of eggs in the Dix basket. Sure, he would be a good get, but that isn't certain, and we need multiple starters.
Don’t believe it’s been KANSAS since the injury to Jalen Wilson…
History and tradition are things kids could care less about now - sad but a true reality
They want $ and a system to best prepare them for playing at the next level
We have the $ but hearing that’s drying up
The system we are currently lacking and no doubt negative recruiting is hurting us right now
Yeah I got nothing…
@BeddieKU23 Not a dang thing.-- No commits-- - no sniffs--- no Howdy Duties.
Yhe only ONE thing is -- were not alone , there are at least four - -five others that are feeling the same pressure about getting kid yee haw
So are we at a Defcon THREE yet in the worry room ?- - -I mean don't look now Chester But I don't think Marshall Dillon is coming through that door anytime soon to wrap some up.
I would sure like to see us recruit Yaxel Lendoberg
Not sure I should even mention the way things been going on the front but supposedly Tre White is very interested on KU. Heard also that again I guess things heating up with 2-3 players interested on KU and visa versa.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Not sure I should even mention the way things been going on the front but supposedly Tre White is very interested on KU. Heard also that again I guess things heating up with 2-3 players interested on KU and visa versa.
Tre would inject this program with some much needed toughness.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Well we could use that
Hoping he can be somewhat similar to Sion James from Duke.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
So are we at a Defcon THREE yet in the worry room ?- - -I mean don't look now Chester But I don't think Marshall Dillon is coming through that door anytime soon to wrap some up.
Hard to assess what the plan is. We've lost 6 players to the portal, including 2 ranked in 247s top 50 - and that was before Storr. If Flory doesn't come back, we need at least 3 high-level starters - a big and some athletic wings who can shoot, penetrate and defend. Decreasing number of guys left who fit those needs. Every other top level program has commits already and predictions for others.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk Well we could use that
Hoping he can be somewhat similar to Sion James from Duke.
Yep you need tough guys that have been around the block
Dix to Creighton
The big from wichita isn't too bad, they beat ksu and Memphis. Haven't heard much from them.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
Dix to Creighton
Ugh. He sounded like our No 1 focus?
Hard to follow all the chaos.
This is getting seriously depressing. Almost every other top P5 program already has one or more 247 4* commits. Louisville has three - Wooley, McKneely, and Conwell. Clemson, Baylor, LSU, Michigan, SJ, Miami, Creighton are among those with at least two. Significant majority of the 247 top 50 have already committed (or have 100% predictions). Who is in the mix now? At what point does Peterson look at this and question whether there will be any talent on the team?
I've taken a lets see who takes the court on November 1 attitude. Done worrying or even caring who goes where.
Jim Nantz on the future of college hoops:
My concern on your question is the future of college basketball,” Nantz admitted. “That may not live as we know it another 500 years. It may not live another 15 years. Because the portal and NIL, it’s difficult. And I don’t want to paint it doom and gloom, I don’t want to say it’s bound to be extinct, it’s not going to be. But what we knew it as, what we grew up with, that model doesn’t exist anymore, and some people have a real problem with that.
@rockchalkjayhawk I feel like Jim has been trolling this site and stealing my words.
What do we make of Jayden Dawson?
Well, if we hear squat about portal additions over the weekend, we’ll know Kansas was belt tightening and being frugal as they wait for the Monday $$$ cap to kick in.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
What do we make of Jayden Dawson?
Seems like a good bench piece. Don't think it'd be a great sign if he's starting next season.
Looking on Reddit, a couple of Loyola-Chicago fans chimed in on Dawson. He's a streaky shooter with a quick release, can move without the ball, and isn't afraid to let if fly. He's a plus defender with average handles. The negative on him is he's injury prone. Broken hand his freshman season limited him to 14 games, a leg injury his sophomore year cost him several weeks, and a broken ankle this season cost him a month.
Film looks good. 86 made 3s on the season. Deadly spot up, off the dribble, pull up. I like the addition
Also, Dawson seems like a pretty respected and liked player based on some of the people who commented on an Instagram post about his commitment. Darryn Peterson, Josh Dix (wish he would've come here), Jon Tonje, Zeke Mayo, and the most interesting to me at this point are both Bashir brothers. Interesting to me because Abdi seems like KU's top target at PG at this time. Abdi's post was a simple "yessir" so that could mean he won't be too far behind in committing as well, but we'll see.
@Kcmatt7
Totally agree… Self’s coaching style, pulling guys when they make a mistake, KILLS confidence… Rylan and A.J were both playing with trepidation because of that. He needs to have a MUCH longer leash, and let’s these guys play thru some errors, and it will pay off towards the end of the season. They will grow into studs.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Film looks good. 86 made 3s on the season. Deadly spot up, off the dribble, pull up. I like the addition
Diggy with defense is the kind of vibe I'm getting on him from based on Loyola-Chicago fans comments.
@Bosthawk said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7
Totally agree… Self’s coaching style, pulling guys when they make a mistake, KILLS confidence… Rylan and A.J were both playing with trepidation because of that. He needs to have a MUCH longer leash, and let’s these guys play thru some errors, and it will pay off towards the end of the season. They will grow into studs.
AJ and Rylan were bad fits because they didn't know how to play in a motion offense and we're frequently out of position. Storr was getting better towards the end of the season, but Rylan never seemed to grasp the concepts and was frequently out of position on offense.
We good?
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Film looks good. 86 made 3s on the season. Deadly spot up, off the dribble, pull up. I like the addition
Diggy with defense is the kind of vibe I'm getting on him from based on Loyola-Chicago fans comments.
Okay, but a lower end 3 per 247. Multiple other 4 and 5 commits over the past two days.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I would've started AJ over Rylan that last game. He had no passion or desire to play. Was a dud except for 1 game.
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Film looks good. 86 made 3s on the season. Deadly spot up, off the dribble, pull up. I like the addition
Diggy with defense is the kind of vibe I'm getting on him from based on Loyola-Chicago fans comments.
Okay, but a lower end 3 per 247. Multiple other 4 and 5 commits over the past two days.
That was his high school ranking. He doesn’t have a transfer rating since he went in the portal just a couple days ago
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Film looks good. 86 made 3s on the season. Deadly spot up, off the dribble, pull up. I like the addition
Diggy with defense is the kind of vibe I'm getting on him from based on Loyola-Chicago fans comments.
Okay, but a lower end 3 per 247. Multiple other 4 and 5 commits over the past two days.
How's that strategy worked out the past 2 years of trying take best available players?
This is a kid who should be a good fit in Self’s system and as I already said, likely a bench piece like Diggy was. I'd much rather see Self and staff focus on fit and who can compliment Darryn Peterson's game in the portal.
Why do you think Dawkins is a good fit for Self's system and a good compliment for Darryn?
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
Why do you think Dawkins is a good fit for Self's system and a good compliment for Darryn?
Bill Self runs a version of a motion offense. Motion offenses involve lots of cuts, screens, picks, and other actions that require being able to read the defense and make quick decisions for the guards and wings. Basically, players have to be able to move without ball very well to create the offensive looks needed whether it's a 3, a post up, a back cut for a lob, or a post up, or a kick out.
Loyola-Chicago fans have said that moving without the ball is a strength of his and since he's know as a good catch and shoot player. That works well for Self's offense because he can get a quick shot off coming off a screen, or he can cut to a corner or wing for a kick out shot. He's also good a drawing fouls so if a defender closes out too hard, he can drive by and create contact in the lane.
He's basically a bigger version of Diggy on offense if you go back amd watch Diggy play next to Dejuan and how much he ran around to get open.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I would've started AJ over Rylan that last game. He had no passion or desire to play. Was a dud except for 1 game.
I would've made the switch in the Big 12 Tournament after the first game where AJ had his best game as a Jayhawk against UCF.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
What do we make of Jayden Dawson?
The answer to what Kurtis Townsend was actually doing in New York. :grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Bashir brothers are from Omaha, same as Dawson.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
What do we make of Jayden Dawson?
The answer to what Kurtis Townsend was actually doing in New York. :grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
Now relax..he also had a party to attend with Darryn and family as well.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@Bosthawk said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7
Totally agree… Self’s coaching style, pulling guys when they make a mistake, KILLS confidence… Rylan and A.J were both playing with trepidation because of that. He needs to have a MUCH longer leash, and let’s these guys play thru some errors, and it will pay off towards the end of the season. They will grow into studs.AJ and Rylan were bad fits because they didn't know how to play in a motion offense and we're frequently out of position. Storr was getting better towards the end of the season, but Rylan never seemed to grasp the concepts and was frequently out of position on offense.
The good news here is Loyola seems to actually run an offense.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
What do we make of Jayden Dawson?
The answer to what Kurtis Townsend was actually doing in New York. :grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
Now relax..he also had a party to attend with Darryn and family as well.
Truly a legend.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
Why do you think Dawkins is a good fit for Self's system and a good compliment for Darryn?
Bill Self runs a version of a motion offense. Motion offenses involve lots of cuts, screens, picks, and other actions that require being able to read the defense and make quick decisions for the guards and wings. Basically, players have to be able to move without ball very well to create the offensive looks needed whether it's a 3, a post up, a back cut for a lob, or a post up, or a kick out.
Loyola-Chicago fans have said that moving without the ball is a strength of his and since he's know as a good catch and shoot player. That works well for Self's offense because he can get a quick shot off coming off a screen, or he can cut to a corner or wing for a kick out shot. He's also good a drawing fouls so if a defender closes out too hard, he can drive by and create contact in the lane.
He's basically a bigger version of Diggy on offense if you go back amd watch Diggy play next to Dejuan and how much he ran around to get open.
This is also why I also like the Tre White fit, should we be able to add him.
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@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
What do we make of Jayden Dawson?
The answer to what Kurtis Townsend was actually doing in New York. :grinning_face_with_big_eyes:
Now relax..he also had a party to attend with Darryn and family as well.
Truly a legend.
No more jokes from me for the duffle bag legend.
I like the addition of Dawson, seems like a good 2 way player that doesn't turn the ball over. Great first step
Hopefully we hit up Dioubate from Bama. Ideal 4. Really solid numbers for a rotation dude. Poised for a jump
@BeddieKU23 reason to believe KU is circling back with Reed Bailey a bit. Word on the street is Hopkins took the 1.2 million offer that both of them had from St John's first
@Texas-Hawk-10 My concern with Bill Self's motion offense is that it's too rigid and predictable compared to other systems that allow players to make quicker decisions and be more flexible. Other offenses give players the freedom to think on their feet and adapt, which helps stretch their skills. With Self’s system, the focus is often on the post-up, and the high-low game becomes too predictable. His offense feels outdated and doesn’t allow for much creativity. Against more athletic teams, it becomes a liability, leading to too many turnovers and making us look bad.
Could be another commitment today..
@msanchez said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 My concern with Bill Self's motion offense is that it's too rigid and predictable compared to other systems that allow players to make quicker decisions and be more flexible. Other offenses give players the freedom to think on their feet and adapt, which helps stretch their skills. With Self’s system, the focus is often on the post-up, and the high-low game becomes too predictable. His offense feels outdated and doesn’t allow for much creativity. Against more athletic teams, it becomes a liability, leading to too many turnovers and making us look bad.
Self had two bad fits last season in the offense at the 3 and 4 spots. At the 3 spot, Storr and Griffen were lost because they've never been in that style of system. The light seemed to be coming on at the end of the season for Storr, but his background was playing iso ball, hence why I've always compared him to James Harden. Griffen came from an offensive system that had minimal structure and rules at Alabama and why he struggled so much here since he could never learn the reads he needed to as he would usually make a wrong read or be stationary.
KJ was a poor fit because he wasn't an outside threat at all. Had KJ ever been able to develop 3 point range, the offense would've looked so much better the past two seasons.
Any offensive system can be successful with the correct skill sets at those positions. With Self's system, you need a 1-4 that can move well without the ball and have quick releases on 3 point shots so defenses can't ignore players on the perimeter. This was Dejuan's issue, he had a very slow shot so defenders could sag off because if Dejuan caught a pass on the perimeter, a defender had time to close out on Dejuan. At the 5 spot, Self needs a post player that's an above average passer and can set good picks/screens. For all the crap people here talked about him, Hunter Dickinson really was the perfect 5 man in Self's offense with the added benefit of being able to knock down an outside shot.
If seems like the staff is being more picky in the portal this year in regards to targeting players with a background in motion based offenses which should result in the offense running much better next season.
Tre White is another great fit for Self's offense at the 3 spot.
"Since his perimeter game is limited, he does most of his damage as a cutter and around the rim, shooting a terrific 64% at the basket in 2024-25."
He did shoot a career best 33% from 3 last year so he is capable and teams can't ignore that.
@CasterTroy said in The portal.:
Just saw if from On3 as well.
https://www.on3.com/news/illinois-guard-tre-white-commits-to-kansas-out-of-ncaa-transfer-portal/ ↗
Shades of Kev. Nice get
Nature is healing. Coach is getting guys with toughness and not podcasts…
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
Tre White is another great fit for Self's offense at the 3 spot.
"Since his perimeter game is limited, he does most of his damage as a cutter and around the rim, shooting a terrific 64% at the basket in 2024-25."
He did shoot a career best 33% from 3 last year so he is capable and teams can't ignore that.
Is he a starter or another bench piece, like Dawson? Played just 23 mpg for a middling Illini team. Even if so, we still need 2-3 starters. Anyone left who is a rim protector, can rebound, or light it up from the arc?
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
Is he a starter or another bench piece, like Dawson? Played just 23 mpg for a middling Illini team
The article says started 31 of 32 games.
Dusty May is reloading at Michigan. Lendeborg and Johnson will be a load in the paint...
@FarmerJayhawk Does he defend like Kev?
Another good pickup. Good size. Happy with this one
@DCHawker Tre White is the starting 3 next season for KU.
Right now KU has 8 players with room for 6 more with a need for a starting 4 and 5 and possibly a 2. There are likely 5 or 6 rotation players set for next season with Dawson, Jackson, Peterson, Tiller, White, and possibly McDowell. I don't see Calderon or Shelby being rotation level players next season.
Guards: Dawson, Jackson, McDowell, Peterson, Shelby
Wings: White, Calderon
Forwards: Tiller
We're only halfway through the portal window and there's still teams playing so there will be more good players entering the portal over the next 2+ weeks.
@Texas-Hawk-10 You nailed it, Self’s offense relies heavily on ball movement, spacing, and using post play to create scoring opportunities. While that system is effective with the right players, in today’s game, you often need guards who can create their own shot—something that a more free-flowing offense like what we see at programs like Kentucky, Duke, or even some of the up-tempo systems like Sampson's team. Unfortunately, we have yet solid guard (in the past 4 years?) with the ability to stop, pull up, and make a shot under pressure is critical when a defense collapses or when a set play breaks down. We need someone like Cryer. Can Marko be that guard?
Today’s college basketball demands versatility, with many players flourishing in systems that emphasize individual development over rigid, structured offense. Yes, player development - this is an area where the coaching staff falls short. CB is one in decades. Ochai? He was redshirted — an afterthought, really. The staff had no idea what he was capable of… until the perfect storm came.
I will be stunned if Jamari is more than the 9th or 10th man when it's all said and done. Tiller...idk...need to see how the roster takes shape.
Jayden Quaintance please Bill…
KJ Lewis ?-- from Arizona is still out there - -How about Kenon Katchings from BYU as a quality player as back up off bench ?
Probably just a bunch of lips smacking together hot gossip not nothing but:-- Read from TOS poster said we should have two other players locked up about this time next week.- - -One w will be very happy about and the other one not sure. Like I said it's just a FWIW. Wait and see next week.
@msanchez said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 You nailed it, Self’s offense relies heavily on ball movement, spacing, and using post play to create scoring opportunities. While that system is effective with the right players, in today’s game, you often need guards who can create their own shot—something that a more free-flowing offense like what we see at programs like Kentucky, Duke, or even some of the up-tempo systems like Sampson's team. Unfortunately, we have yet solid guard (in the past 4 years?) with the ability to stop, pull up, and make a shot under pressure is critical when a defense collapses or when a set play breaks down. We need someone like Cryer. Can Marko be that guard?
Today’s college basketball demands versatility, with many players flourishing in systems that emphasize individual development over rigid, structured offense. Yes, player development - this is an area where the coaching staff falls short. CB is one in decades. Ochai? He was redshirted — an afterthought, really. The staff had no idea what he was capable of… until the perfect storm came.
I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous take. Scheyer's system works because he has specifically targeted players who fit what he wants to run. Also, Cooper Flagg is the best NBA prospect of the last 20 years which covers a lot of other potential holes. Kentucky was a good, not great offense this year, amd absolutely terrible defense that was 315th in points allowed this season, not a recipe for long term success. And on what planet is Kelvin Sampson's system up tempo? You do know that UH was ranked 360 out of 364 teams this season.
Also, LJ Cryer and Elmarko Jackson are two very different players that don't play the same position or have the same strengths as players. Self is clearly building the roster around players who compliment Darryn Peterson and will continue to do so as we've seen with Dawson and White's commitments.
I'm sorry you think Self’s system is too rigid and outdated when many other currently successful coaches have stolen plenty from how Self does things offensively including Bruce Pearl. There's a reason why Self and Pearl are frequently fighting over the same players in recruiting.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
KJ Lewis ?-- from Arizona is still out there - -How about Kenon Katchings from BYU as a quality player as back up off bench ?
Probably just a bunch of lips smacking together hot gossip not nothing but:-- Read from TOS poster said we should have two other players locked up about this time next week.- - -One w will be very happy about and the other one not sure. Like I said it's just a FWIW. Wait and see next week.
KJ Lewis should be off the table now with Tre White's commitment since they play the same position and doubt either wants to come off the bench next season.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
KJ Lewis ?-- from Arizona is still out there - -How about Kenon Katchings from BYU as a quality player as back up off bench ?
Probably just a bunch of lips smacking together hot gossip not nothing but:-- Read from TOS poster said we should have two other players locked up about this time next week.- - -One w will be very happy about and the other one not sure. Like I said it's just a FWIW. Wait and see next week.
KJ Lewis should be off the table now with Tre White's commitment since they play the same position and doubt either wants to come off the bench next season.
KJ’s an even worse shooter than Tre. I’ll pass
@Texas-Hawk-10 Ya more likely true. Just thought he would-be a good piece but hadn't really realized they both played same position . To be 100 % honest I didn't really know much about tre
@FarmerJayhawk DaJuan caliber defender?
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk DaJuan caliber defender?
Probably comparable. Their defensive stats are pretty similar
Honor Huff has been contacted. Would be an upgrade for the Diggy role but that's probably a tough sell..
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@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk DaJuan caliber defender?
Hope not! Need way better.
Than a guy who was a 3x all-conference defender and a former conference DPOY? I'd take level of defender any day and twice on Sunday, but apparently that's not good enough for you.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
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@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk DaJuan caliber defender?
Hope not! Need way better.
Than a guy who was a 3x all-conference defender and a former conference DPOY? I'd take level of defender any day and twice on Sunday, but apparently that's not good enough for you.
Wasn’t good enough to get out of the round of 32 or 64 in back to back years with the most senior laden team
He was so bad Diggy came and we stormed back
Coaches voting D2 as some incredible defender is exactly what I’d done to as Self keeps running him out there telling everyone how incredible he is
Onto DP and the miracles due to all these transfers talking so much regarding what happened this year
After the sweet 16 2026 exit everyone will be beyond ready for Oats or Golden ***please bookmark this
If I remember correctly White at one point was committed to us in highschool. I think these are a few good role players but we are gonna need atleast one stud to help DP unless we are expecting 35 nightly from him.
@Texas-Hawk-10 No offense taken — just sharing my perspective here. Kelvin’s system might not be flashy, but it’s adaptable. It does blend motion offense principles with ball screens, and more importantly, it empowers everyone on the floor to contribute. Every guy is expected to defend, rebound, and score.
On the flip side, Self’s offense often feels too rigid — overly structured and built around one or two primary scorers. That’s exactly the issue: by building the roster to ‘complement’ a central piece like Dickinson, oh, now DP, you’re creating a hole elsewhere that never really gets filled.
I’d much rather watch a team full of solid, versatile, gritty, physical & athletic players who can all handle the ball and score — not just stand around while the system runs through a couple of ‘go-to’ guys.
@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
If I remember correctly White at one point was committed to us in highschool. I think these are a few good role players but we are gonna need atleast one stud to help DP unless we are expecting 35 nightly from him.
Both signees can be double digit scorers just fine. Tre White is nearing 1000 career points...
As far as Dawson, I've heard a lot of positive things on him from coaches with no connections to KU.
Flory returning is looking like a real possibility. We shall see what today brings
@BeddieKU23 Where have you heard/seen this. I mean that would be great I'd love it , with DO and Tre White , even El Marko would be a really sweet start to rebuilding this roster-- -solid. I just haven't seen anything , about the possibility
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 Where have you heard/seen this. I mean that would be great I'd love it , with DO and Tre White , even El Marko would be a really sweet start to rebuilding this roster-- -solid. I just haven't seen anything , about the possibility
Auburn board believes he returns. Swain mentioned in his round up they are working on him still. Vernon posted another cryptic tweet that he's done with the 2 previous commits in the last 2 days. Tea leaves..
@BeddieKU23 Thank you , just got to hope for the best I reckon - -some more positive then a couple of days ago. I too was wondering why the heck hadn't seen anything on a five.. I think Flory if he comes back can very well make a sufficient jump in his offensive game, he just got to be more careful on the defensive end and getting in foul troble.
Still need a pretty solid three or four to go along with him and Peterson , hopefully if he does come back somebody also that is willing to be a role back up for him
Guess Iowa St losing both of the Big's to the portal . Jefferson plus the other big both entered
@msanchez said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 No offense taken — just sharing my perspective here. Kelvin’s system might not be flashy, but it’s adaptable. It does blend motion offense principles with ball screens, and more importantly, it empowers everyone on the floor to contribute. Every guy is expected to defend, rebound, and score.
On the flip side, Self’s offense often feels too rigid — overly structured and built around one or two primary scorers. That’s exactly the issue: by building the roster to ‘complement’ a central piece like Dickinson, oh, now DP, you’re creating a hole elsewhere that never really gets filled.
I’d much rather watch a team full of solid, versatile, gritty, physical & athletic players who can all handle the ball and score — not just stand around while the system runs through a couple of ‘go-to’ guys.
What you want to see in regards to scoring isn't how the vast majority of basketball teams function. Why would you not make the person who is currently projected to the #1 pick in the 2026 draft the focal point and build a roster based on his strengths? That's what Duke just did and it got them to the Final Four. As for the two teams that just reached the title game, Florida rebuilt their team around Walter Clayton Jr. and Houston added pieces to compliment what LJ Cryer does well. Auburn built their offense around what Jhonni Broom did well this season.
The player a lot of scouts are comparing Peterson to is a bigger version of Damien Lillard. So if KU is getting a version of "Dame Time" next year, you go out and find other players who compliment his game. KU has done that so far with Jayden Dawson and Tre White. No, KU's current roster is not complete as KU still needs to fill out the rest of the starting line up with at least two more starters and potentially another starting caliber guard given Dawson's injury history. This is where KU is likely to find their second leading scorer for next season at the 4 or 5 spot and if rumors play out as true, it's likely to be a name very familiar to everyone here.
I’d like a player of Flory’s caliber, but one more loyal. Flory is a pos to me for pulling this stunt. Auburn can have his mercenary ass for all I care.
To rob from Willie Wonka - money is common, there is only one KU.
There's precedent of that kind of stuff creating a bad culture but the example I have is football related. If your being told your worth is double or higher then your current salary would you not be interested? Speaking from a professional side of it you better love your current gig to not consider it. I don't think these kids care about the jersey on the front as much as we do but I'd love to be wrong.. the money thing just makes it less amateur and less about the college/coach etc.
@BeddieKU23 Money matters can be handled a hell of a lot better than this. There is no reason we should know he is in a contract dispute. And if you have one foot out the door the other better follow. Imperious child that can take his handler and find a new home as far as I’m concerned. Bill is a pushover or in far worse recruiting position than we realize to bow down to such actions.
True Jayhawk - makes me want to get the Pom poms out and cheer him until he draws his last breath. Rail on Harris all you want he is a true Jayhawk thru and thru and I will support him in his future endeavors. Flory - meh he’s already dead to me.
@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
@BShark you have much more knowledge on them, I’ll take your word for it. Another thought is we got some of the best rated guys in the portal with Storr and Hunter. That obviously didn’t work, we need good ball players with high character
Fit above stats/ranking.
Walter Clayton was like the 90th ranked guy in the portal class two years ago
@dylans If Flory's guardian is seeking more money, how is that accomplished if there's no real threat of Flory leaving Kansas? College sports is a cutthroat industry, even before is was legal to pay players, especially when it comes to recruits/players from Africa because of their guardians. In a lot of cases, including Flory's, kids from Africa have guardians living here in the States looking to make as much money as possible to exploit these kids that don't actually care about what's best for the kid, just about how he money they can make off of that kid (see Cheick Diallo and Silvio DeSousa).
I would just about guarantee if the decision was solely Flory's, he would choose either Kansas or Indiana and Auburn wouldn't be in the picture right now like they currently are.
Of course stuff can be handled differently. I think Self would probably like that kind of stuff to stay out of the public eye as well but here we are. Could all be the handler or a combo. We've seen handlers screw over KU kids in the past.
Until there is some kind of correction or path forward where some of this madness can be reigned in I'm just going to stay numb to it. Everyone is a Sr and on their way out until things change
Looks like something should be announced soon
Yeah I really don't see demonizing Flory here as a reasonable outcome.
Who are our bigs going to be next season?
Reed Bailey to Indiana is official now.
A lot of smoke out there that Flory will be returning and possibly announced today, we'll see.
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The ceiling is the Flory.
Is this true? I can never tell
Seeing it in lots of places, looks like Flory is back!
I think it’s good he is returning, lock him in the weight room and gym over the summer
I keep hearing about Nigel Pack to Kansas haha that could be funny
@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
I keep hearing about Nigel Peck to Kansas haha that could be funny
It's on the table. Him and Kyan Evans are options for another handler/shooter.
@BeddieKU23 His return will undoubtedly add another dimension to the team's versatility as well as its defensive and rebounding strength. That's a big IF, right?
@wissox Damn! I doubted myself reading @BeddieKU23 post. Flory is returning! This is the best news for Jayhawk Nation!
Remaining needs and who I think we get.
Big: Dunter Hickinson
Wing: JA Tsorr
Guard: Harris DeJean
@BShark said in The portal.:
@kjayhawks said in The portal.:
I keep hearing about Nigel Peck to Kansas haha that could be funny
It's on the table. Him and Kyan Evans are options for another handler/shooter.
Big issue with Pack is the same as Dawson and that's health. Both a pretty injury prone players.
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Remaining needs and who I think we get.
Big: Dunter Hickinson
Wing: JA Tsorr
Guard: Harris DeJean
You left off AJ Kadams
Anybody hear where our transfers are going? Kinda wondered what their worth is since Coach turned down some offers of theirs to stay for more 🤑🤣
@Crimsonorblue22 said in The portal.:
Anybody hear where our transfers are going? Kinda wondered what their worth is since Coach turned down some offers of theirs to stay for more 🤑🤣
Haven't asked on some in awhile but last I heard
Diggy - Maryland
Rylan - Bama/Texas Tech
Kease - Miami/Bama/Auburn
Storr - Washington/SMU
Are we still in contact with Rodney rice? I watched every Maryland game this year- he was a scoring stud.
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Darrion Williams portal
The perfect wing. He and Tre at the 3/4 would straight up bully everyone
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
The perfect wing. He and Tre at the 3/4 would straight up bully everyone
My new top choice personally
Agree let's do it
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Agree let's do it
He's tough as nails. Helluva two way player (our portal theme so far).
@Crimsonorblue22 said in The portal.:
@BShark we have an opening? Cash?
We have another wing starting spot available for sure.
Can't see him in the big 12 against TT. Everyone else does it though. Texas schools.
We're gonna see a lot of former KU (brief) commit Riley Kugel next year. He's moving to UCF.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
The perfect wing. He and Tre at the 3/4 would straight up bully everyone
My new top choice personally
He or RJ????
@kuballin10 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
The perfect wing. He and Tre at the 3/4 would straight up bully everyone
My new top choice personally
He or RJ????
I prefer Williams but it sounds like he will be asking for DP type money. Which I get, but just about any school can only afford that for one guy.
I think both are good players that would do well here. I have a few concerns with Luis but I'd happily have him as the last piece of the starting puzzle.
Hopefully we are able to find a big-time wing player. We have the capital, we have the need, our system is meant for wings to flourish. Need that 2nd dude that can take pressure off Peterson.
That 2nd big behind Flory is ideally someone like a Javier Francis or Federiko x 2 from Texas Tech. Those two guys I've been jealous of how well they fill their role all season.
Clearly looks like we have 3 immediate needs.. A 4th is needed depending on who you get at the wing.
A starting Wing-
Best available/best fit. Need to hit this one the most.
I know Williams and Luis are at the top of the Wishlist currently. Luis we've been linked with but he's also doing the draft. Williams just entered and might be too expensive or might have a plan already. Perhaps Lejuan Watts? Otherwise, we might have to wait for additional entries because I don't see a clear target there.
High-End Rotation or starting guard-
We've been recruiting Nigel Pack, Kyan Evans and Rodney Rice so far. Any of the trio would help. There are a few other prospects I like in the portal but best to stick with what KU has been linked with. Seems we are clearly hunting a ball handler with playmaking ability.
Backup 5-
Can't just be a body that gets you 5 fouls. You need a dependable body. Ideally, a rebounding, rim protecting, lob threat.
4th need- backup 4 man.
Unless Tiller is taking that role with his injury concerns your starting wing will have to be interchangeable, or you need another option. We didn't have another 4 man this year and we all saw the struggles there without Adams.
If you can find the capital to squeeze in 3/4 needs this could be a fun roster.
Now that JUCO players have 4 years of eligibility, should we consider looking into JUCO transfers more often?
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
Now that JUCO players have 4 years of eligibility, should we consider looking into JUCO transfers more often?
Could be an option but perhaps it's best to look at Juco guys that have proven themselves moving up first. Coit is an example of that.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
We’ve been recruiting Nigel Pack, Kyan Evans and Rodney Rice so far. Any of the trio would help. There are a few other prospects I like in the portal but best to stick with what KU has been linked with. Seems we are clearly hunting a ball handler with playmaking ability.
Does anyone know how Elmarko has been looking lately since he was supposed to be close to fully recovered by end of March? Not that I think we should stop at 2 options for ball handling, but it would make me less nervous about getting a starter level player at this position if he is back with a full offseason for improvement.
Swain reporting:
Starting Wing- KU will be patient here. RJ Luis and Darion Williams are potential targets until they are not currently.
Kyan Evans had a zoom call with KU, there is interest. His coach went to Minnesota but possibly playing closer to home could be in play (he's a KC native). Missouri, Iowa, Minnesota also involved.
Nigel Pack is another with confirmed interest but sounds like KU isn't pushing here at the moment.
As for bigs- Shawn Phillips from Arizona St for the backup big spot.
Also a new name Utah's Ezra Ausar
K-St's Brandon Hausen in the portal. Really good shooter. Poor kitties
@BeddieKU23 This really surprises me my friend , I did not expect that. Seems like I ever seen him shooting a three -- he made it
@BeddieKU23 My personal choice for two of those from the position you listed would be RJ Lewis at the wing, just kind of a personal favorite of mine, no special reason just always kind of liked his play Yet on the other hand Williams would be sweet too lol. I'll stick with Lewis.- - -Then I kinda like Rice think we would be a nice addition
@msanchez said in The portal.:
I’d much rather watch a team full of solid, versatile, gritty, physical & athletic players who can all handle the ball and score — not just stand around while the system runs through a couple of ‘go-to’ guys.
This is my opinion exactly. We have to have players that can easily create for themselves.
Look at last season... we only had two players capable of creating their own shots... Hunter and Zeke. And Zeke was undersized, so often had to back out on his shot.
KJ drove me nuts. For a while in the season before this one he was comfortable hitting that baby 12-footer in the paint. This past year, he missed a few then lost all confidence. Teams were giving it to him and he wouldn't take it most of the time.
Griffen was a catch and shoot. He wasn't open enough or we'd pass it to him at his knees and then he'd take a shot with no flow.
AJ... I'm not sure what his strength was. His long ball shooting form was odd, but he could hit an open shot sometimes. Then he was asked to drive and it looked awkward. Down the stretch I give him credit for trying.
Juan... only created when he was forced to. That's not the attitude you need from your PG.
We shot so few FTs. But this group of guys were never able to accel at playing beyond their comfort zones.
I'm convinced we need better coaching. I'm not talking about Self.. just his cling-ons.
The ONLY reason why Houston is in the finals is because of their offensive rebounding. Sampson explained how he put a lid on the goal and made these guys fight it out in every practice. Why aren't we doing that? What else is he doing to get his lower-ranked players to step up?
It does start with recruiting. I'm so sick of having anemic teams incapable of playing physical. Recruit some bruisers... But then, they need to be coached up in how to use their brawn.
@drgnslayr Agree with most, but respectfully would argue that offensive rebounding is not the ONLY reason Houston lost just one game in conference and is now playing for the title - best defense in the nation and 3 starters who shoot better than 40% from the arc certainly had something to do with their accomplishments...
@drgnslayr yeah. I am amazed watching them rebound. Its beautiful. When a shot goes up, layers of guys fold in from the sides and half the distance to the opposing player who isnt trying as hard.
Some possessions i became suspicious that they seemed to care less about making the shot than rebounding… just throw it toward the rim and someone will get it!
@drgnslayr Ilike Houstons Chances. - -Sampson is a really good Coach
Flagg's miss was contested and off balance he had to angle jump to his right to get it off.
Pack to Oklahoma, phew.
Old friend tyon grant foster in the portal again. Crazy thing is he might have 2 more seasons with juco rules now
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
No doubt they are well rounded. But look at that Duke game. They had 18 ORs on the tallest team in the nation! And for the game they had 11 total rebs more than Duke.
I bet if they can create 18 ORs on Florida tonight they will take home the trophy!
It’s as if rebounding is important. Wish someone would’ve beat that into this last KU team!
Tyon Grant Foster.. hmmmmmmmm
@approxinfinity I’m open to taking him for the right price and role. My guess is his expectations are much higher than a rotation piece
Ian Jackson from UNC in. Would love to land him.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
Ian Jackson from UNC in. Would love to land him.
St. John's most likely.
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
No doubt they are well rounded. But look at that Duke game. They had 18 ORs on the tallest team in the nation! And for the game they had 11 total rebs more than Duke.
I bet if they can create 18 ORs on Florida tonight they will take home the trophy!
What makes their rebounding prowess even more remarkable is that they don't really play anyone over 6'8". Size of their 3 bigs. And, their guards don't have that much length either...
I feel like rebounding is as good of a measure of effort/hustle as any advanced stat could be.
It is more a measure of height
@drgnslayr They only had 15 OR's, compared to Flo's 8. Maybe 3 more would've helped.
@dylans said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
No doubt they are well rounded. But look at that Duke game. They had 18 ORs on the tallest team in the nation! And for the game they had 11 total rebs more than Duke.
I bet if they can create 18 ORs on Florida tonight they will take home the trophy!
It’s as if rebounding is important. Wish someone would’ve beat that into this last KU team!
KU was in the top 30 nationally in rebounds per game? Top 10 in defensive rebounding. Last year's team had a lot of issues but they did rebound. I think one of the biggest issues was the fact that they just did not get to the FT line. That screams a lack of athleticism to me. They also fouled a lot, which same deal.
@BShark fair. I find stats often have a scoping issue. With a couple more filters, like rebounds in close games, or when games are close, we might see effort shine through more, would be curious how that stacks up to “when behind” and “when ahead”. Also, if we broke the season up into quarters, feel like we well apart at the end.
But i think youre absolutely right that there was an athleticism gap.
@approxinfinity Just hard to say it was a big issue imo. The offense was bad (not surprising) and the defense when they had to get a stop was actually quite terrible. The defense I do think was a mirage all year. Part of that is Bill being a good coach.
I'm ready to play fast again. Defend. Two way players. I like the portal approach so far.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity Just hard to say it was a big issue imo. The offense was bad (not surprising) and the defense when they had to get a stop was actually quite terrible. The defense I do think was a mirage all year. Part of that is Bill being a good coach.
I'm ready to play fast again. Defend. Two way players. I like the portal approach so far.
I really like the Melvin Council guy Bossi put up on the other board. Can run, can defend, and finishes at the rim super well.
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity Just hard to say it was a big issue imo. The offense was bad (not surprising) and the defense when they had to get a stop was actually quite terrible. The defense I do think was a mirage all year. Part of that is Bill being a good coach.
I'm ready to play fast again. Defend. Two way players. I like the portal approach so far.
I really like the Melvin Council guy Bossi put up on the other board. Can run, can defend, and finishes at the rim super well.
Yeah seems like a decent defender as well. His shot is not great, film wise it looked like he could at least hit an open one at 30% clip or so.. Alarming was his ability to get into the lane with his athleticism and having such a low FT% rate. You'd expect someone who gets downhill to get to the line more. He also was like 31% on drives then end up in midrange shots. I'd like him as another rotation piece but not a starter. I really think we need another sure-fire dude that can complement Peterson. I did like his size, athleticism and quickness. Transitioned to PG spot and showed pretty decent ball skills and passing ability out of pick and roll. I guess he's a wildcard, he's got some traits that really fit here, some weaknesses that I don't think get any easier stepping up in competition level that are concerning enough to wonder about what role you ultimately would want him in.
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity Just hard to say it was a big issue imo. The offense was bad (not surprising) and the defense when they had to get a stop was actually quite terrible. The defense I do think was a mirage all year. Part of that is Bill being a good coach.
I'm ready to play fast again. Defend. Two way players. I like the portal approach so far.
I really like the Melvin Council guy Bossi put up on the other board. Can run, can defend, and finishes at the rim super well.
My goat is getting back to his roots.
Do we read this guy? Council was on his radar https://www.kansan.com/sports/portalnomics-where-might-kansas-basketball-find-the-next-marcus-garrett/article_697df361-a215-4c0d-b0bd-ed1aa73f01f2.html ↗
A nice breakdown of a few players. Council I think is a floor raiser but not a ceiling raiser here. Still need an additional "star" type player to play with Peterson.
I am wondering if Council is a bit of a value play in regards to NIL, not sure of his market but perhaps getting him still allows the budget to throw big money at a star Wing and backup big.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@dylans said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
No doubt they are well rounded. But look at that Duke game. They had 18 ORs on the tallest team in the nation! And for the game they had 11 total rebs more than Duke.
I bet if they can create 18 ORs on Florida tonight they will take home the trophy!
It’s as if rebounding is important. Wish someone would’ve beat that into this last KU team!
KU was in the top 30 nationally in rebounds per game? Top 10 in defensive rebounding. Last year's team had a lot of issues but they did rebound. I think one of the biggest issues was the fact that they just did not get to the FT line. That screams a lack of athleticism to me. They also fouled a lot, which same deal.
KU was 67th is rebounding margin, more important than the gross number of rebounds is the positive net. Ku grabbed 38.5 rebounds to the opponents 34.7. KU was not a good rebounding team there just were a bunch of rebounds to be had (poor shooting? pace of play?). I contend if KJ could rebound, (5 per game Zeke had 4.8) KU would’ve been a lot better.
I can definitely see the Garrett comp with Council. Good rebounding numbers, assists (2.3 ast/to rate), steals, career 77% at the line. Played a ton of minutes for the bonnies (37.1 per game).
If he can defend like Garrett that alone is good enough for me.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity Just hard to say it was a big issue imo. The offense was bad (not surprising) and the defense when they had to get a stop was actually quite terrible. The defense I do think was a mirage all year. Part of that is Bill being a good coach.
I'm ready to play fast again. Defend. Two way players. I like the portal approach so far.
I really like the Melvin Council guy Bossi put up on the other board. Can run, can defend, and finishes at the rim super well.
Yeah seems like a decent defender as well. His shot is not great, film wise it looked like he could at least hit an open one at 30% clip or so.. Alarming was his ability to get into the lane with his athleticism and having such a low FT% rate. You'd expect someone who gets downhill to get to the line more. He also was like 31% on drives then end up in midrange shots. I'd like him as another rotation piece but not a starter. I really think we need another sure-fire dude that can complement Peterson. I did like his size, athleticism and quickness. Transitioned to PG spot and showed pretty decent ball skills and passing ability out of pick and roll. I guess he's a wildcard, he's got some traits that really fit here, some weaknesses that I don't think get any easier stepping up in competition level that are concerning enough to wonder about what role you ultimately would want him in.
I don't disagree. He has his warts. I think that ends up being the type of guy who gets 25 minutes a game because he can play the 1-4 and defend the opponents best player. Ultimately, I think the best thing about him was how well he scores in transition, and how well he takes care of the ball. Low TO%, high Assist %, plays fantastic D, and brings energy. He also seems like he would have an additional 2 years of eligibility I think?
You're still looking for a proven guy to add to the perimeter no doubt.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
If he can defend like Garrett that alone is good enough for me.
More steals per advanced stats than MG. He would be a menace. And I think* he is someone opponents at least have to defend. His FT% at the very least points to a guy who should be able to shoot better than .300 from 3.
I'm warming up to him, I was hoping we'd get a playmaking combo guard that was solid from all 3 levels but obviously those are expensive and who knows what our budget looks like after having to pay Flory. If he could get above that 30% from 3 and be respected by defenses, then I'm fine with it because I think his value in a lot of other areas is a hit. I just can't go another season watching us having starters out there that are not 3 level threats in the 1-4 positions. It's going to take years to get over that I think. I know he's made 71 3's in two years but 26 and 29% is not going to cut it at this level.
Council is the downhill guy. Get it done Bill.
@BShark said in The portal.:
Council is the downhill guy. Get it done Bill.
Really I just like him for the defense and versatility. Glue guy.
@approxinfinity I think he's already drawing social security so he wouldn't need NIL $$.
@kuballin10 Sweet Sixteen, huh? You're setting the bar pretty high.
Watching the Locked on Jay Hawks pod cast , and talking about how good a fit Rodney Rice would be with Darryn. Not a guy would demands having the ball in his hands, averaged 13.8 shoot 43 % from the field , just over 37 % from the three - -81 % free throw his on/off eff was really good as with him on was a plus 19- - dam good, now was not quite as good on defensive end minus 5- - was 77 percentile in his three point shooting--- -in three pint efficiently was 84 % - -and a guy who just didn't turn the ball over - in the 92 % efficiently would be a nice fit with Darryn- - a 6'4 kid could classify him as a shooting Guard can play some PG -combo guard , pretty nice
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr yeah. I am amazed watching them rebound. Its beautiful. When a shot goes up, layers of guys fold in from the sides and half the distance to the opposing player who isnt trying as hard.
Some possessions i became suspicious that they seemed to care less about making the shot than rebounding… just throw it toward the rim and someone will get it!
YES! When I was 10 years old I wore a mouthguard in league play. I love how Houston actually puts effort into rebounding. Almost any other school who claims to do the same... bs.. after watching Houston really do it.
What a tough loss. Florida was tough, too!
Yeah his game is nice however it doesn't sound like KU has made a dent in that recruitment, if they are. There's still a prevailing thought he's window dressing others just to drive price up to end at Nova with his coach. We shall see.
I'm sure to get some hate for this... but here goes...
What about snagging Quincy Ballard? He's listed at 6'11" and he is every bit of that. I believe he is over 7'. I've met him several times. He's "besties" with my son (sort of).
First... surely he can be landed with a minimum hit on NIL. I read where WSU is upside down in NIL now.
Second... though he is limited to shots under the basket, pretty much like Flory, he's a solid post presence. His numbers were pretty good on a team that struggle to breath oxygen last year.
If we every wanted to "play big" the combo of him with Flory would be nuts. Give our coaching staff a lesson in low post screens. They could use it regardless if we landed him or not. I've been pretty amazed this year how many college post players set low post screens for driving guards... something KU has NEVER DONE! Imagine a beast like Ballard setting a single or double low post screen for a driving Peterson!
I know on paper we need a big who can stretch the floor. I'm not convinced those guys are out there and I'm getting pretty sick of running offense for bigs bricking up treys. I still feel like the biggest mistake we made the last two years was playing Hunter at the top of the key.
Okay... I'm done... blast away on my post!
Diggy to Maryland, apparently got a nice payday
Quintance to Kentucky. Rumor is 3 million... Yikes
UK also landed Dioubate from Bama who would have been nice at the 4 spot..
UK so far is king of the portal on paper it looks
@drgnslayr A stretch big at the 5 is a little overrated IMO. Can be nice to have but I'd rather play a center that can set a good screen and get downhill off a P&R to pressure the rim.
@MR11 said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr A stretch big at the 5 is a little overrated IMO. Can be nice to have but I'd rather play a center that can set a good screen and get downhill off a P&R to pressure the rim.
I love a good rim protector. Get me a guy who can force bad shots & create turnovers/runouts the other way. Then all he has to do on O is set screens and catch lobs.
Basically I just want Doke.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Quintance to Kentucky. Rumor is 3 million... Yikes
UK also landed Dioubate from Bama who would have been nice at the 4 spot..
UK so far is king of the portal on paper it looks
Quaintance is coming off a torn ACL in late February. Best case scenario is he's ready for the opening of camp in October, worst case is he's out through non-conference play. UK is gambling a bit there with his health.
We are currently ranked 15th for next year but another big guy and outside shooter would move us up.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@Crimsonorblue22 said in The portal.:
Anybody hear where our transfers are going? Kinda wondered what their worth is since Coach turned down some offers of theirs to stay for more 🤑🤣
Haven't asked on some in awhile but last I heard
Diggy - Maryland
Rylan - Bama/Texas Tech
Kease - Miami/Bama/Auburn
Storr - Washington/SMU
Diggy :white_heavy_check_mark:
Virginia is in the mix for Kease now
Council should visit this week
The fans who didn't understand DaJuan definitely won't understand Council either (insert laughing emoji)
🤣 (this one)
@Zabudda these things are just chatting gossip right now, but for sure hear you. I read earlier on the way to Early that -Houston # w- - -Texas Tech # 4 - - KU -# 6 - - -BYU- # 8-- - &- -Arizona # 18-- kinda makes you laugh, how can they possibly put a ranking this early of any kind
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
The fans who didn't understand DaJuan definitely won't understand Council either (insert laughing emoji)
I think it will depend on the minutes played lol. People loved Marcus Garrett, until they didn't.
I love the Tyshawn comp for this kid. Slightly worse shooter, but turns it over less.
The stuff I’ve heard about the kid off the court makes me want him in this program. You need kids like that to succeed.
@BShark said in The portal.:
I love the Tyshawn comp for this kid. Slightly worse shooter, but turns it over less.
Also a good comp from an athleticism standpoint.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk What have you heard about him off the court?
Leader, competitive, fiery kid and excuse my language but he gives a damn.
After what I just watched for 30 plus games…sign me up for that. No more smiling after mistakes or players wilting as soon as things get tough.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk What have you heard about him off the court?
Leader, competitive, fiery kid and excuse my language but he gives a damn.
After what I just watched for 30 plus games…sign me up for that. No more smiling after mistakes or players wilting as soon as things get tough.
Bonnie fans called him the marathon man because he never took himself out of the games man. ABSOLUTE DOG.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk What have you heard about him off the court?
Leader, competitive, fiery kid and excuse my language but he gives a damn.
After what I just watched for 30 plus games…sign me up for that. No more smiling after mistakes or players wilting as soon as things get tough.
Bonnie fans called him the marathon man because he never took himself out of the games man. ABSOLUTE DOG.
I want to go to war with that kid on my side. When you go play Arizona, Houston, Iowa State or little bro I want kids like that on my team.
Is there any place I can get a thoughtful ranking of the commit + transfer classes for ncaam?
I don't know how thoughtful it is but there is this:
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferportaltop/ ↗
and this:
Probably too expensive but Jamir Watkins come on down..
Council released a top 4
KU, Miss St, UGA, Gtech
@BShark said in The portal.:
Council released a top 4
KU, Miss St, UGA, Gtech
Dunno much this guy. ha, i guess i could say that about all these mid major guys.
Is there a reason to be excited about adding him?
Certainly doesn't look like the shooter we need.
Has anyone else been noticing that we are not the only one's kinda having hard go with the portal and NIL this Season ?Baylor took a Major Hit. = Possibly Iowa St losing vital people , and of Course can't forget K/Sucks they are missing on portal targes, these are just some in our League this Poral and NIL crap is insane
Visits and sucj should be picking up again now coming out of the dead period they saud
@rockchalkjayhawk Reminds me of Tyshawn Taylor
We like TT!
Wasn’t he the guy that got caught doing some extra curricular activities at mid court?
Tyshawn “f it the guy in the third row is open” Taylor. I loved Tyshawn but man he had some wild plays
Any updates on Darrion Williams? Is there a chance?
@rockchalkjayhawk you talking bout Elijah Nutpunch Johnson? Mitch Mcgary deserved it. https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/1b9vme/elijah_johnson_racks_mitch_mcgary_in_the_family/?rdt=55842 ↗
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
We like TT!
Wasn’t he the guy that got caught doing some extra curricular activities at mid court?
Naadir Tharpe did that for sure lmao
@approxinfinity Yeah... unfortunately the outcome out that game was pretty rough... Safe to say they got the last laugh :< - Always remember camping and he'd roll through - "PUT'CHA SHOES ONNNNNN"
@approxinfinity he flopped🤣
Ruined her marriage
@Crimsonorblue22 Seriously? lol. I remember Frank's last year my wife snapchatted him and he responded. I think I was more excited than she was.
Wasn't she a nurse, a school nurse? It was a bad deal for her and her family.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
We like TT!
Wasn’t he the guy that got caught doing some extra curricular activities at mid court?Naadir Tharpe did that for sure lmao
Bingo. Yup.
Council visit confirmed on this weekend
So Diggy is gone to Maryland… any other of our last bunch committed? Seems like some might try to return to KU. I wonder if each are welcome back?
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Council visit confirmed on this weekend
6’4 and 6’5 guards in the backcourt who can attack and create in iso situations who can guard…
I get what Coach is going for…just need an athletic wing and a backup 5
@FarmerJayhawk As we were holding off OSU at the FF Tyshawn made a bad pass that went right to Bill Self!
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Council visit confirmed on this weekend
6’4 and 6’5 guards in the backcourt who can attack and create in iso situations who can guard…
I get what Coach is going for…just need an athletic wing and a backup 5
Doesn't sound like we may be able to afford a top Wing at least from current info.. Sounds like Council and a backup 5 are the next focuses. We'll see, maybe they are still awaiting more portal entries or to see the fallout from the draft on what is out there.
If we cannot afford a wing that is quite alarming, considering that we still need to fill about half of our scholarships
Shooooooters!
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
If we cannot afford a wing that is quite alarming, considering that we still need to fill about half of our scholarships
He means a really high end guy like Darrion Williams. Like 3M plus types, they won't take that swing for a few reasons I feel.
We should just grab Melvin Council, Kyan Evans, Corbin Allen, Brandon Hausen, and a backup big or two. I think we have the money for that.
Melvin Council is supposed to be a good defender. The others I don't know enough about to say.
Br really weird to have the ksu guy. Has that ever happened, either way?
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
If we cannot afford a wing that is quite alarming, considering that we still need to fill about half of our scholarships
Yeah if we think we are getting the top available wings out there that are going to command top NIL that's probably not in the bingo cards after the Flory/White/Dawson decisions. If they do find a wing it's probably going to be someone that isn't in a bidding war and likely isn't a top end starter type.
I do hope they get a wing because they need one. Your not roster balancing if you don't.
It does sound like the next two bigger NIL spends will be a combo guard, if not Council then who knows and the backup big where there doesn't seem to be a clear target at the moment. Sounds like the pool of those types is even commanding starter level NIL from last year and now the price is double etc
We have to keep in mind having to basically pay Flory double what was perhaps expected has changed things. I still think it was the right decision but it's making it harder for KU to pursue certain players we thought might be attainable
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
We have to keep in mind having to basically pay Flory double what was perhaps expected has changed things. I still think it was the right decision but it's making it harder for KU to pursue certain players we thought might be attainable
Bill just last weekend went to get more money, which he did get. They definitely want to get a reasonable back-up big and you are right that the Flory stuff changed the calculus a bit.
I assume Peterson has the biggest piece of the NIL pie and I'm guessing Elmarko's NIL deal is over $1 million considered his projections out of high school and what he would've gotten at the time as a projected OAD.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
We have to keep in mind having to basically pay Flory double what was perhaps expected has changed things. I still think it was the right decision but it's making it harder for KU to pursue certain players we thought might be attainable
Bill just last weekend went to get more money, which he did get. They definitely want to get a reasonable back-up big and you are right that the Flory stuff changed the calculus a bit.
We need more than a back-up 5 - we need a front-court rotation player with size/bulk who can set screens, rim protect, rebound and put back misses. All of the FF and most of the E8 played two bigs and rotated in others. Florida rotated 4 bigs with 2 on the floor, Houston 3 with 2 on the floor. Same with Auburn. Duke had a lot of size in the front court and on the wings. Flory, Tiller and a just a 10 mpg back-up isn't going to measure up. And, while we now have depth on the perimeter, it's a pretty undersized group and no one who can consistently shoot the 3ball.
I’m still confused on how NIL is used… especially when it comes to enticing players to come here. I know schools are paying NIL and that is about to have caps to it. But then there is private NIL and that’s unlimited. For example… Flory has a deal with Freddy’s. And when he decided to stay here I saw several posts thanking Freddy’s. It seems to me… it’s the contracted school NIL used to get players here and then once they are here their private NIL might help keep them here? If someone knows more on this, please post it!
was listening today and podcast was saying talking about Lewis as one and what it might take if we got involved.
Even though different positions comparing what it might take, compared and the Return of Jt Toppin at Tech was right around Four Million , so if your looking at Lewis and wanting to be considered serious probably would be right around same
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
I assume Peterson has the biggest piece of the NIL pie and I'm guessing Elmarko's NIL deal is over $1 million considered his projections out of high school and what he would've gotten at the time as a projected OAD.
I don't know on Elmarko but the word on DP is he is getting 3 million from KU.
Sounds like if the visit goes well for Council he will be a Jayhawk.
Not how it works but it would be nice
Someone mentioned Pop Isaacs to Houston? Yay. 27 point night coming our way.
@MR11 said in The portal.:
@BShark IDK if this is included in that 3 million but honestly assumed most of his NIL money was coming directly from Adidas with them nudging him to KU.
How does that work? That 3 mil wouldn't come out of the KU NIL pot, right? I'm guessing that is private NIL.
@HoraceZontal I didn’t notice him either. The rankings are likely mostly based on counting stats - points mainly.
This makes me respect Hunter more and mercenaries less.
“I gave up money. I gave up six figures to help our team get better because obviously, everybody thinks Kansas has all this money," Dickinson stated. "We weren’t even in the Top 15. We probably weren’t even in the Top 25 in spending. But they came off the rumor that we spent $5 million last year, and [players] were all on the bus like, ‘S***, who got the $5 million?’”
@approxinfinity Makes me wonder if there will be transparency at some point. Most of what we have is speculation.
Hopefully a salary cap or the like will return a better competitive balance. - it probably doesn’t help KU, but whatever. I’d like to win over a level field.
Guess we have been in contact within the last 24 hours according to the Agents Trai & Flaggs of OG 6 sports mgt- for Duke Brennen of Grand Canyon U , might be s back up for Flory averaging 10.5 ppg - - & 9.2 rpg , pretty solid guy , might be a bruiser- hits the boards 6'10 - -250.--- other Schools are KU Okla , NW-- & S Carol mentioned
I see we just made the cut for Shawn Phillips-- 7 footer from Arizona State
Phillips focusing on five Schools - -Cinn---- -Missouri- - - -Memphis----- -Villanova--- - & KU
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Shawn Phillips
The kind of low post player coach Self would put in starting lineup in a heartbeat. I'd rather longer wing man with athleticism & scoring threat.
@msanchez AZ is #6. Florida and Auburn are football centric money wise and have no shortage of funds. MSU 🤷♂️ what have they accomplished since that title a quarter of a century ago in 2000? How does Izzo keep his job? No crying poverty for these schools.
Houston has a good coach and has had pretty good player retention, hopefully they keep it up and don’t fall apart soon. The Big12 needs more than just KU basketball (assuming KU returns to prominence).
@dylans said in The portal.:
This makes me respect Hunter more and mercenaries less.
“I gave up money. I gave up six figures to help our team get better because obviously, everybody thinks Kansas has all this money," Dickinson stated. "We weren’t even in the Top 15. We probably weren’t even in the Top 25 in spending. But they came off the rumor that we spent $5 million last year, and [players] were all on the bus like, ‘S***, who got the $5 million?’”
Point being, I don’t believe KU can just pay for every player they want. There is still an element of recruiting involved. It would be nice to better understand the budget to understand the direction of recruiting a bit more.
Two adidas schools more valuable than Kansas on that list, if chatgpt is to be trusted:
| Rank | Program | Revenue | Shoe Sponsor | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | North Carolina | $378M | Jordan Brand (Nike) | Longstanding partnership since the early 1990s. |
| 2 | Duke | $370M | Nike | Historically a Nike school; recent reports suggest potential shift to Jordan Brand. |
| 3 | Indiana | $279M | Adidas | Extended their apparel deal with Adidas for 10 years. |
| 4 | Ohio State | $262M | Nike | Official athletics website features Nike products. |
| 5 | Louisville | $260M | Adidas | Entered a $160 million deal with Adidas. |
| 6 | Arizona | $257M | Nike | Renewed athletic apparel contract with Nike. |
| 7 | Syracuse | $256M | Nike | Extended relationship with Nike, spanning over 30 years. |
| 8 | Illinois | $232M | Nike | Celebrated 25-year partnership with Nike. |
| 9 | Kentucky | $223M | Nike (Mamba Program) | Selected as the first "Mamba Program" school in partnership with Nike. |
| 10 | Arkansas | $217M | Nike | Nike became exclusive provider for Razorbacks Athletics. |
| 11 | Kansas | $191M | Adidas | Extended deal with Adidas through 2031. |
| 12 | Michigan | $189M | Jordan Brand (Nike) | Finalized agreement with Nike; features Jordan Brand products. |
| 13 | Michigan State | $183M | Nike | Partnered with Nike for custom products. |
| 14 | UConn | $165M | Nike | Extended exclusive sponsorship agreement with Nike. |
| 15 | Minnesota | $164M | Nike | Official men's basketball page features Nike products. |
Does anyone have some insights on Amarri? ref: https://www.si.com/college/kansas/basketball/transfer-portal-update-aj-storr-flory-bidunga-amarri-monroe ↗
He'll definitely a day-1 heavy contributor IMHO.
Indiana is the highest value Adidas program and was Flory’s likely destination before Kansas decided to pay him the NIL he was worth. Peterson basically said he was coming back to KU no matter that we looked like a complete dumpster fire at the time.
Pretty clear that shoeco money rules the CBB universe and university NIL is just the part of the iceberg visible above sea level.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Indiana is the highest value Adidas program and was Flory’s likely destination before Kansas decided to pay him the NIL he was worth. Peterson basically said he was coming back to KU no matter that we looked like a complete dumpster fire at the time.
Pretty clear that shoeco money rules the CBB universe and university NIL is just the part of the iceberg visible above sea level.
Flory has already said it was either KU or Auburn for him just like when he was coming out of high school.
@msanchez said in The portal.:
Does anyone have some insights on Amarri? ref: https://www.si.com/college/kansas/basketball/transfer-portal-update-aj-storr-flory-bidunga-amarri-monroe ↗
He'll definitely a day-1 heavy contributor IMHO.
Already announced he's staying at Quinnipiac several days ago.
Thanks.. next!
Someone rightly pointed out that the list we are discussing is valuation and not program revenue. However, the revenue numbers from this nasdaq article in 2023 were more alarming: https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball ↗
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Someone rightly pointed out that the list we are discussing is valuation and not program revenue. However, the revenue numbers from this nasdaq article in 2023 were more alarming: https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball ↗
KU’s public filing has them right behind Nova on the list, and $22.6M just for men’s BB.
Was scanning through and run across this site something to do with Spors Illustrated If I Remember right, and they had predicted this earlier , well they have picked/predicted where the top eighty portal transfers have or going o land.
They have gotten a lot of them right as to where they said they would commit and where they actually committed. So they are still predicting that K J Lewis will commit o KU- --we will see I guess, I wouldn't complain if he did
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Someone rightly pointed out that the list we are discussing is valuation and not program revenue. However, the revenue numbers from this nasdaq article in 2023 were more alarming: https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball ↗
KU’s public filing has them right behind Nova on the list, and $22.6M just for men’s BB.
Less than 3mil profit. Not much wiggle room. Definitely not enough to contribute to the NIL fund. Crazy that they only pull in 23mil. TV revenue must not be optimized or the revenue isn’t there. You’d think with the fan support they would generate enough money to pay the players. They do not without significant donations - that’s wild to me.
They count tuition as a cost on this even though it’s not a real cost. So that’s part of it.
And then the required donations to Williams fun which is not controlled by AD is also something that doesn’t show up in this entirely.
Wright from Baylor going to BYU his NIL is around three Million. Their NIL money has to be insane.- - Three Million for Wright , then you have AJ-- got to be unworldly, then the NIL payout they putting out to keep Sanders ////////////yazaaa
Council visit now on for Monday
KU has been in contact with Duke Brennan.
Whoa, Xavian Lee visiting this weekend as being reported by Tipton
Bill Self is unreal lmao
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Whoa, Xavian Lee visiting this weekend as being reported by Tipton
Would be a good get - can hit from deep and is actually a ranked transfer. White just 73 on ESPN's list; Lee is 25. No one else associated with us is in the top 100. How is that possible??? Does it make sense to ink both Lee and Council? That is lot of perimeter players, none with much size. We need at least one true rotation big. Would Brennan really fill that need?
Really good player
But at some point dude you need some bigs and wings…
He’s gonna have a 14 scholarship roster with 9 guards at this point
I dunno. We really have no true PG on the roster. I know DP will dominate the ball though.
And what, three total playable guards right now? DP, Elmarko and Jayden Dawson? Tre White more of a 3-4?
We still need a lot, IMO. Bigs and littles. Bring ‘em on!
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
I dunno. We really have no true PG on the roster. I know DP will dominate the ball though.
And what, three total playable guards right now? DP, Elmarko and Jayden Dawson? Tre White more of a 3-4?
We still need a lot, IMO. Bigs and littles. Bring ‘em on!
I’m rooting for the kid but we genuinely have no idea if Elmarko is playable at this point.
Of course his numbers dip a bit in the big 12 but I would still love him to commit. I would envision him and Peterson working together as combo guards.
I am not worried about us recruiting him. We still have many more roster spots that we will fill. We will get a smaller guard, a couple wings, and a couple bigs yet. We just have to be a little patient.
I still think they take Council and Lee ends up at Florida. Just my opinion.
Would love for him to commit, as well. And, agree, we need to fill other slots. Patience? How much? Most the top 100 ranked transfers have already committed. Several schools have 2-3 of them. Louisville has 3 of the top 30, Michigan 3 of the top 33, Kentucky 3 of the top 52, 4 of the top 72. Curious why we need to be more patient than others?
Kansas is also recruiting Jamir Watkins, per source @TYOHawk @BeddieKU23
@BShark said in The portal.:
Kansas is also recruiting Jamir Watkins, per source @TYOHawk @BeddieKU23
An actual wing..
I can’t believe it…
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk We already signed two wings 😂
I’m being respectful and I’m rooting for the kid like all the Jayhawks….but I don’t expect Calderon to play like at all.
Malique Ewin Florida St Forward averaged 14.2 ppg &--7.6 rpg is focusing on five Schools.--- KU Arkansas , Auburn , Mississippi St- - & Virginia. Could be a solid piece. I know we need to find another solid Big , that's for sure
@BShark said in The portal.:
Kansas is also recruiting Jamir Watkins, per source @TYOHawk @BeddieKU23
Not getting my hopes up but he's a major ceiling raiser if we do get in this
Talk of a second visitor this weekend as well....
@SlimShaddy54 Agree. Against MD in the tourney, Brennan had 8 RBs, but only 2 pts as GCU got blown out.
@BShark said in The portal.:
Talk of a second visitor this weekend as well....
Please be a big or a wing
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Talk of a second visitor this weekend as well....
Please be a big or a wing
Haven't got the name yet. Swain on it too...
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Talk of a second visitor this weekend as well....
Please be a big or a wing
PG Xaivian Lee from Princeton. 1st team all-Ivy League last year while averaging 16.9 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 5.5 apg, and 1.2 steals per game. 22.7 PER last season and 24.7 as a sophomore and over 36% assist rate last season. Like other targets, not a great shooter, but gets to the line and he is a playmaker. 4.4 FTA as a sophomore and 3.8 FTA last season. Having spent his first 3 years at Princeton, we also know he's very smart and should pick up Self's system pretty easily.
I really enjoy how good of a passer he is in his highlights. He can create some pretty crazy passing angles and find lanes that shouldn't be there. Him and DP in a little two man game would be insane.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Talk of a second visitor this weekend as well....
Please be a big or a wing
Haven't got the name yet. Swain on it too...
Still no word on this other possible visitor ?
Couldn’t ask for a better weekend for visitors. LFK is positively gorgeous today
@FarmerJayhawk Love it.
@Woodrow said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Talk of a second visitor this weekend as well....
Please be a big or a wing
Haven't got the name yet. Swain on it too...
Still no word on this other possible visitor ?
I would guess that Swain or Vern will be the first to get it.
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Couldn’t ask for a better weekend for visitors. LFK is positively gorgeous today
Elite vibes.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Talk of a second visitor this weekend as well....
Please be a big or a wing
Ask and ye shall receive.
Kansas a possible destination for Malique Ewin and Shawn Phillips Jr.
Malique Ewin being a backup 5 seems to good to be true. I'm just hoping we get Phillips for some depth lol
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
Malique Ewin is savage. Never seen a 7'-er's moves like he does in college.
A defense with him at the 5, Flory at the 4, White at the 3, Darryn at the 2, and Council at the 1 would be a wet dream for Bill Self
Wow, yes please
This team could very much be the “not 2024-2025 Jayhawks”
Also, the url for that youtube video ends in KU. I will take that as a sign.
The more I watch Ewin, the more I want him - this guy knows how to seal - what we miss from our bigs in the past decade. He can pass and has high bbiq. Def'ly worth 3mil. IMHO.
@BShark said in The portal.:
Kansas is also recruiting Jamir Watkins, per source @TYOHawk @BeddieKU23
Brick laying defensive juggernaut team incoming?
Dammm , hmmm Xavion entered the portal with a do not contact tag and yet he has visited St Johns , and now visiting us ( KU )-- - that sounds kind of like either St John or Ku-- but has visited these two and has a do not contact tag--whoever has the most money maybe ?
@BShark https://www.youtube.com/embed/Pd1ZpRtnIO0?si=Mjr140oME5UX84P- ↗ This dude is a stud. Ewin + Watkins will be early Christmas in Lawrence.
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Kansas is also recruiting Jamir Watkins, per source @TYOHawk @BeddieKU23
Brick laying defensive juggernaut team incoming?
This appears to be the vision.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Wow, yes please
This team could very much be the “not 2024-2025 Jayhawks”
Also, the url for that youtube video ends in KU. I will take that as a sign.
KU is actually out on Ewin and Phillips imo.
Arkansas is the heavy favorite for Ewin.
College basketball…
I may be the only one rooting for us to only have like 3 bigs on the roster and just be forced to play 4 out from necessity.
@approxinfinity Doesn't really work that way in the portal per se.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@BShark my assumption is that shoe co money is very much driving the bus, when it comes to sweetening deals, a bit above the table and a lot below.
I guess my question would be “whats stopping it from working like that?”
Just seems to not matter after highschool. For example Flory signed an under armor deal while coming back to an Adidas school. The main pursuer Auburn, will be a Nike school as of June.
So these kids will take shoe money and money from the schools. Pretty good gig right now.
ETA: Funniest thing might be Flagg signing with New Balance after Nike invested so much into him.
Also just a gut feeling but I still think Council is a fair bit more likely than Lee.
Ewin was good for FSU but their fans complained of effort with him which you won't see in highlights but apparently was there in a lot of their losses. I wouldn't read so much into it based on how negative the situation was there overall.
Look they had a coach who was on his way out after a great career there and it took them 2 yrs too long to make a change.
Watkins was fantastic his JR yr and while he scored more this yr his efficiency dropped due to the above and having to carry such a big role. I think he's a very good Robin to someone's Batman and that's what I potentially like about him here but again no reason to care unless it heats up.
Just a different perspective from a FSU football fan that ends up lurking on their basketball program at times.
@BeddieKU23 nice insights.
Do still swinging for fences and coming end up striking out if Phillips & Erim both out. We need that 2nd quality big or were in Trouble
@BShark said in The portal.:
Also just a gut feeling but I still think Council is a fair bit more likely than Lee.
Honestly Lee is a great add if you can get him as a bench role, in that microwave role. Like when he’s in the game give him the ball and let him cook.
Otherwise I think it’s a bad fit.
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
Also just a gut feeling but I still think Council is a fair bit more likely than Lee.
Honestly Lee is a great add if you can get him as a bench role, in that microwave role. Like when he’s in the game give him the ball and let him cook.
Otherwise I think it’s a bad fit.
Yeah I can't envision him going anywhere to come off the bench but I agree.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Do still swinging for fences and coming end up striking out if Phillips & Erim both out. We need that 2nd quality big or were in Trouble
Pretty sure Phillips committed to MU
@CasterTroy ya he did. we got to get better at closing , lot of misses
How can other Schools compete with this type of NIL.- - -BYU handing out reported - -3.5 Million for Wright== =& qre you ready ? --Reported 7 Million for AJ- - B.- -no kid that hasn't stepped a foot on the floor at the College level is worth 7 Million. -- This is why NIL has ruined College Sports
KU will be making a run at Cedric Coward as well it sounds like.
Better be - dudes a stud….
Council, Coward and an athletic backup big
Reload and let DP handle the ball at point every possession
Zach Clemence to Texas A&M
Higher level than I would have guessed.
@kuballin10 said in The portal.:
Better be - dudes a stud….
Council, Coward and an athletic backup big
Reload and let DP handle the ball at point every possession
Not the portal but kind of like the portal for the back-up big potentially...
Paul Mbiya will visit. 20 years old, from Africa currently playing in France. Declared for the draft but is not really good enough for that. Very large human being at 6'11'' 260. 7'8'' wingspan...
Sounds like a heacache eligibility wise
As for Coward, looks like he is injury prone. I have no problem with taking a flyer on him but I hope he is not a projected starter
Paul Mbiya is another name to watch. 20 yr old is looking at visits to KU and a couple others. 6'10 is a backup big target perhaps. Also declared for the draft
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
As for Coward, looks like he is injury prone. I have no problem with taking a flyer on him but I hope he is not a projected starter
He played every single game his first two years of college basketball. He is coming off a serious injury that he should be recovered from.
@BShark said in The portal.:
KU will be making a run at Cedric Coward as well it sounds like.
Absolutely. Whatever it takes
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Paul Mbiya is another name to watch. 20 yr old is looking at visits to KU and a couple others. 6'10 is a backup big target perhaps. Also declared for the draft
Perfect backup. 5 fouls. Touch guy to matchup with.
Kevin Overton from Tech in. Thought he was a solid guard for them off the bench. Perhaps an option if we are still looking
@SlimShaddy54 does Tiller not qualify as a 2nd quality big? Know he is a freshman but seems like he could be a serviceable backup 5. Granted I don't know much about his game but his scouting reports all sound like a better fit for the 5 over a 4.
@MR11 I don’t hear much about Tiller. He’s been with the program practicing for a semester. He was rated around the 25th ranked recruit. But no hype, it’s interesting. I expect someone ranked that high with a 6’10” frame to find some minutes. But it’s pretty much crickets.
@dylans said in The portal.:
@MR11 I don’t hear much about Tiller. He’s been with the program practicing for a semester. He was rated around the 25th ranked recruit. But no hype, it’s interesting. I expect someone ranked that high with a 6’10” frame to find some minutes. But it’s pretty much crickets.
He hasn't been hyped because he hasn't been practicing. He came here early from Overtime Elite to get acclimated to college and rehab and ankle injury and then had a surgery to repair a lingering issue with his ankle about a month ago. He was never cleared to participate in 5 on 5 during the spring semester.
His current skill set is much more suited to play the post because he doesn't have a lot of range yet which is probably the biggest hole in his game. We'll see how the ankle surgeries affect his athleticism, but he has been someone that can guard on the perimeter a bit.
His defense is pretty far ahead of his offense so that's why Self is looking for a post who can score because Flory and Tiller aren't that player yet. As long as Tiller is healthy, he should have a spot in the rotation next season.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I had no idea they would withhold the playbook from Tiller while he recovered. Figured he would be at practice soaking it in like Elmarko. That seems like a ridiculous strategy.
@MR11 said in The portal.:
@SlimShaddy54 does Tiller not qualify as a 2nd quality big? Know he is a freshman but seems like he could be a serviceable backup 5. Granted I don't know much about his game but his scouting reports all sound like a better fit for the 5 over a 4.
If he was healthy there would be more to talk about with him. Unfortunately, he came to KU early from the HS ranks still recovering from a major ankle injury, never got cleared during the semester and now has had surgery recently which is going to put him out another few months. So, we are talking about a player that has missed now at least 1 full calendar year of playing basketball and will be out until early summer. I think it's just wise to say until he can actually play that nobody has any idea, not even the coaches. You'd hope he could be a serviceable 3rd/4th big next season but even that seems like a stretch. I'm not sure he'll be a focus for the upcoming year. TBD I guess.
He's probably a college 5-man tbh. There's some skills there of a 4 but probably a ways off from that being utilized, if at all here.
@dylans said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I had no idea they would withhold the playbook from Tiller while he recovered. Figured he would be at practice soaking it in like Elmarko. That seems like a ridiculous strategy.
The staff didn't withhold the playbook from Tiller. He was never medically cleared for 5 on 5 drills so he wasn't able to do scout team stuff and was likely doing whatever individual drills he was medically cleared to do like Elmarko was.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
I really enjoy how good of a passer he is in his highlights. He can create some pretty crazy passing angles and find lanes that shouldn’t be there. Him and DP in a little two man game would be insane.
My thought exactly. Let DP create off the ball sometimes...
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
If he was healthy there would be more to talk about with him. Unfortunately, he came to KU early from the HS ranks still recovering from a major ankle injury
Just recently I visited AFH and read what was on the Phog Allen statue... "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." :grinning_squinting_face:
Just getting out in front of this one, to land Xzayvier Brown you have to hire his dad. Sounds like OU is the favorite for that atm.
Portal closes a week from tomorrow April 22nd.-- not for commit but they have to be entered.- -Not feeling quite so bad/ nervous after seeing this:
Portal numbes as of Week three ,-- -Entered 2,050- ---- Committed --- 393 .- - Portal commits- - -19 %---- -Still Looking-- --81 %-- that's a lot of still un-committed players , plus any others that enter before April 22nd.-
They can still commit long after the 22nd-- -just have to be entered by then,
Found pretty interesting Article tonight. Basicall talked about How St Johns , had been talking pretty good about Lee's visit with them- --had a pic of him in a St John jersey - -standing by trophies and such and how they had been considered pretty much a favorite along with I think some others in contention -- - BUT
this is what I found interesting anyways take it with a grain of salt, but the headline of the article said that St John had ran into an unexpected Road Block in their recruitment of Lee. Saying that St John had been considered a favorite but then Lee comes out and is visiting KANSAS- -and now the rumor going around is that it looks like it very well might come down to Florida ( the defending Champ ) or Kansas. - --what ?- -that would be sweet. like I said take it with a grain of salt but still interesting
I am hearing crickets about the Council and Lee visits 🤔
Rumors we got Council and passed on Lee
I’m good with that - Council is the superior athlete
He, DP, Dawson, White and Flory is a solid 5 Self should roll out there but I’m sure we get another big and he finds a way to play two lumbering bigs who can’t shoot outside of 5 feet
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
If he was healthy there would be more to talk about with him. Unfortunately, he came to KU early from the HS ranks still recovering from a major ankle injury, never got cleared during the semester and now has had surgery recently which is going to put him out another few months. So, we are talking about a player that has missed now at least 1 full calendar year of playing basketball and will be out until early summer. I think it’s just wise to say until he can actually play that nobody has any idea, not even the coaches. You’d hope he could be a serviceable 3rd/4th big next season but even that seems like a stretch. I’m not sure he’ll be a focus for the upcoming year. TBD I guess.
Yeah fair assessment and very well could be the case. Even if Tiller is the 2nd big on the roster I can see wanting to have a good rotation option behind him as Flory can be foul prone and don't want to be left with just relying on Tiller.
I am hoping a backup 5 role is a reasonable expectation for him though so it allows us to put energy/NIL on shoring up our wing position over using a big chunk of that on a 3rd big.
@kuballin10 said in The portal.:
Rumors we got Council and passed on Lee
I’m good with that - Council is the superior athlete
He, DP, Dawson, White and Flory is a solid 5 Self should roll out there but I’m sure we get another big and he finds a way to play two lumbering bigs who can’t shoot outside of 5 feet
They need an athletic wing and a good rim runner at the backup 5 spot imo.
I would rather have a bruiser at the backup 5 for a change of pace. Flory and Tiller are already rim runners
Bill Self baaaang
Cedric Coward- KU has made contact. One to monitor.
@MR11 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
If he was healthy there would be more to talk about with him. Unfortunately, he came to KU early from the HS ranks still recovering from a major ankle injury, never got cleared during the semester and now has had surgery recently which is going to put him out another few months. So, we are talking about a player that has missed now at least 1 full calendar year of playing basketball and will be out until early summer. I think it’s just wise to say until he can actually play that nobody has any idea, not even the coaches. You’d hope he could be a serviceable 3rd/4th big next season but even that seems like a stretch. I’m not sure he’ll be a focus for the upcoming year. TBD I guess.
Yeah fair assessment and very well could be the case. Even if Tiller is the 2nd big on the roster I can see wanting to have a good rotation option behind him as Flory can be foul prone and don't want to be left with just relying on Tiller.
I am hoping a backup 5 role is a reasonable expectation for him though so it allows us to put energy/NIL on shoring up our wing position over using a big chunk of that on a 3rd big.
I still think they need to get a legit backup big and then find another big body just to have as insurance purposes imo.
So yeah. #1 player in the 26 class SF Tyran Stokes is visiting KU this weekend. He's heavily considering a reclass to 25 class.
Typical scenario this time of year I reckon , So many names flying in now makes my head spin can't keep up. Sure sounds like Lee will either be at St Johns or Florida, I know St Johns thought they had him all wrapped up , did he cancel his trip here ?
Then I hear/read that Council looked like a sure thing for us, is that right ?- -Then I see about a guy by the name of Coward tell me who is this ?-- Are we really interested in him which sounds like from people he would be a nice get- -Are we active with him ?
Still need another back up for Flory
Updated espn portal rankings for what they’re worth. 2 Outgoing KU players, one incoming. But having watched them play in Lawrence it’s an upgrade.
Self is going to go out with a BANG
Adidas bag man please. We would have two future top 5 picks with stokes and DP
Always a little hesitant about expecting much from a reclass prospect in 1 year, but just saw it work out for Flagg and Stokes is rated just a small tier below that as a recruit.
Definitely sounds like a ceiling raiser though and makes this a pretty complete team with top tier talent/athleticism at the each of the G/W/C positions. Not going to say no to riding with that.
You drop the bag for this kid. He would be a monster at the 4
Obviously this is the kind of talent you do not pass on, but how does he fit with Tre White. Can they coexist at the 3 and 4 together?
@SlimShaddy54
Yes we do. How tall is our TE from the football roster?
@BeddieKU23 Thanks for the info, hadn't heard, but the question almost becomes now who isn't in the portal?
@BeddieKU23 :exploding_head:
@rcjhdraft Thing is is he Adidas ?
Ewin committed to Arkansas.
Cowerd down to 5 including KU, if he comes back to college
Cowerd, if he takes a visit anywhere could be telling to his destination according to Joe Tipton. He may already have a team in mind. We shall see. Also going through the draft process. His injury that he suffered early in the season sounded significant and reportedly was a 6 month recovery from November when he got injured. I'd like to say I'm not concerned about a dude coming off a major injury but then again we already got a few of them on the roster and you really can't be fooling around with getting another guy that might not be healthy when he gets here
My question is--- Ig Council has really committed as rumored to be , then why nothing official on him
AJ Storr to Ole Miss for his final season.
@Texas-Hawk-10 we’ll see what beard can get out of him. Should be interesting.
Beard is notorious for allowing poor effort and bad defense /s
Passmore and Griffen were reportedly visiting Miami today. Would be interesting if they both landed there as Miami already landed one former Jayhawk in the portal this season with Udeh.
Some talk about Stokes on the Could be Wrong podcast , and was being said all of Stokes camp adamantly denying any possibility of Stokes re-classifying BUT like they also said
Sure feels like re-class coming- - -sure smells like a re-class coming with stokes not playing any AAU ball this year-- -Stokes taking visits, makes one think that umm ya there is at least a solid possibility that he is at least strongly considering re-class
There’s been some good reporting that it’ll be hard for Stokes to get eligible academically by fall. Might take all summer if that’s the road they decide.
I’ve seen KU make it happen for a football player I grew up with. I have no doubt they could make things work with Tyran.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Cowerd, if he takes a visit anywhere could be telling to his destination according to Joe Tipton. He may already have a team in mind. We shall see. Also going through the draft process. His injury that he suffered early in the season sounded significant and reportedly was a 6 month recovery from November when he got injured. I'd like to say I'm not concerned about a dude coming off a major injury but then again we already got a few of them on the roster and you really can't be fooling around with getting another guy that might not be healthy when he gets here
He’s worth the risk imo.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
I’ve seen KU make it happen for a football player I grew up with. I have no doubt they could make things work with Tyran.
Light work
Boy seems like been a even more crazy off Season this year in the portal. Teams losing massive amount of players , noticing more in our Conference . I mean K/State losing so many- -- again but that's normal with them , but was surfing this morning and didn't realize till I saw that BAYLOR has lost it's entire roster ,everyone that played a single minute of Basketball for them last year is gone MERCY.
This NIL/Portal has really changed the landscape of College Basketball-- not sure if it's for the good of the game either
I don’t recall who, but an espn radio jockey was talking about college football and the portal. He said they better figure things out to stabilize college football with contracts - you don’t want it turning into college basketball where you can’t recognize a roster from year to year. It makes it hard on the fans when they don’t know who they’re rooting for.
Yikes. College basketball is the cautionary tale for football at this point. What a mess this is.
Will be interesting to see how Storr does next year and compare his last 3 seasons with KU in the middle.
Sooooo... we are all sitting on our hands, awaiting news on our portal grabs or even possibly having 2 #1 picks playing on the same team next year.
I read where most of the guys in the portal are still there. What a friggin' zoo!
Are people in here optimistic or pessimistic on our current situation? Seems like there is plenty of negativity out there, but I'm usually suspicious of it being purple kitty trolls. They should be focused on their own transfer problems.
To me, it feels like we are in the running for some good players and Self is being more careful and refined this year to attempt to have a better result than last year. I'd like to know where our NIL budget sits right now. Anyone have a clue?
I'm hoping maybe we could pull Coward in and also a quality back up still at the five behind Flory, /i don't really feel all that firred up about Stokes, as I really don't think in the end were going to land him. So not getting my hopes up at all there.
I think if anything Stokes is using his KU visit to set the bar as to how much it's going to take to buy him to play for his year at some School. using Ku as a higher brand name to start the bar high.-- I've even seen in a couple of other places where BYU has they hand trying to steal another one with their NIL Money for Stokes.
@drgnslayr All I know is there is a big push to get as much money right now before the ruling on NCAA direct payments puts a salary cap on it. Basically breaking the salary cap before it’s in place. More loopholes to come…
The rumor about how much Zach Clemence got is WILD.
850k...
Council news to tonight
Four more to go! Make em count, Bill.
It's official! Council is a hawk
Lee committed to Florida
How many years does Council have left? It looks like he has only played D1 ball for two years.
Tyran Stokes come on down…
@drgnslayr you keep making these posts that i think should be their own threads!
I am optimistic. I probably need to temper my optimism more than I am.
I’m sure our team won’t always look like a high ceiling, high floor roster full of alphadawgs once the season starts, like they appear to be when they’re bright, shiny signees.
There will be stumbles, there will be underperformers.
But none of the signees thus far have seemed like bad fits, or guys I don’t want to root for (Hunter, when his transfer to us was announced). None of them seem soft, or contact averse. All of them seem to have demonstrated leadership qualities on their teams. All of them appear to be interested in playing some defense. Bill has seemed involved in the recruitment.
We retained Flory.
I’m happy and excited about basketball again, but I would be happier still to see some staff shakeup and when we see the roster rounded out.
If we get 4 more guys cut from the same cloth as those we have already acquired, it could be something special.
Looking forward to no crutches, no excuses, and no bullshit. Bring your hard hats and man up boys.
Stokes shoots it a little better than given credit for too. 30% on 2.6/game last year. The FT% is a little concerning but he took almost 10/game. Just silly
@BShark said in The portal.:
The rumor about how much Zach Clemence got is WILD.
850k...
Does that come with expectations?
Wish I could say I'm tickled as a peach about Council , but reality is he has track record of another player we have had recently that can't shoot, his percentages lack, I just hope we can still do better, Now if w happen some how to get Stokes THAT is a real coup or Coward would be sweet too
I am rather tickled. Not quite as much as a peach but about as much as a tangerine I would say.
@BeddieKU23 So, he seems like a solid rotation piece, but more than that? Did we choose Council over Lee, or did Lee choose Florida over us?
If the former, do we think HCBS and staff is better at talent evaluation than Golden and the UF staff? Gators just won the Natty without a single top 100 recruit.
Are White, Dawson and Council better than portal guys signed by 2-3 dozen other schools, including some in the B12?
We got a kid from....St. Bonaventure. Wow, KU basketball is so back.
@DCHawker You know I’d be the first to agree regarding scouting guys but the issue is more the system
Will be another good year to compare transfers and how they pan out council vs Lee
I think the staff is adjusting and I think Council is eerily similar to Tyshawn. He’s the better get for Self’s system so I’m happy with it. Good defender - produces turnovers and more athletic. His 3 ball looks like Tyshawn’s and he doesn’t shy away from the big moment.
@FarmerJayhawk @BShark What’s the starting lineup looking like
@kuballin10 too early to say. 4 more roster spots to fill. Another starter and a backup big are the main priorities right now. But as of 11:28 PM 4/16 it’s DP, Council, Dawson, White, Flory.
Yea the core of the rotation has been built. I think the staff is taking home run swings on another wing before they just add.
Does anyone know, isn’t the window only open like 5 more days?
He’s gotta get a left hand but man he looks just like Tyshawn
@approxinfinity Whadya mean, those schools were major powers back then! Good point though, but my comment just reflects my general mood on all of this portal madness.
Scott Drew has zero guys on his team right now. Portal madness X100.
College football players who portalled back in December are now portalling again in the spring portal period.
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@kuballin10 too early to say. 4 more roster spots to fill. Another starter and a backup big are the main priorities right now. But as of 11:28 PM 4/16 it’s DP, Council, Dawson, White, Flory.
Therein lies the problem. Decent 5 to have on the floor for stretches, but is that really a line-up that can compete for a B12 title, let alone make a run in the tournament? 4 guards/wings, and an undersized 5. No real shooters. The recent formula for championships and FF success is 3 guards/wings who can attack the rim, hit 35%+ from 3, and defend the perimeter, and 2 mobile, rangy bigs who can set screens, execute the pick and roll, rebound, and defend both on the perimeter and at the rim (they don't have to be scorers other than lobs and put backs). We need another wing who is a starter ahead of Council, Dawson, White, and a starting caliber 4-5 to rotate, not just back up Flory. Would also be good to have a true point guard, even if just as a bench piece.
I’m not saying the roster is championship level, but I do disagree agree with the 2 big idea. We won the championship recently with 4 guards. In 2020 we had the best team with 4 guards. Our 3 years In a row of elite 8/final four Devonte frank etc were 4 guards. I think it’s a small sample size to say you need two rangy bigs. I do think however you have to have size and length at the two guards that play the 3 and 4. Advantage is if all 4 guards can shoot, which maybe the thing you’re getting at. I think we will definitely have an athletic team that can run. Excited to see that vs slow Hunter jogging down the court
I don’t think you can play two bigs unless your 4 is athletic and can shoot like Marcus Morris. We’ve struggled bc we’ve played two bigs and they both can’t shoot lol
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker that’s why I added the disclaimer. We’re not done adding.
They have the #1 player in the 2026 class (who could potentially reclassify) visiting :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
Council is the better fit here and is the opposite of what we have had in the backcourt recently. Fast, athletic and does a lot of things that should compliment others here. It's a solid take that could end up really good. They targeted him and from what's been posted about this kid, he seems like someone that's a good fit for Self on both ends. We shall see.
Lee was always Florida it sounded. We gave it a shot.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker that’s why I added the disclaimer. We’re not done adding.
They have the #1 player in the 2026 class (who could potentially reclassify) visiting :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
Trying to gauge just how good Stokes is. Film just shows dunks in transition and some high level athletic ability. He reminds me of a more athletic Jalen Wilson, straight line speed and aggressiveness. I like the fit here but just wondering how much he could really impact a team if he joined.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker that’s why I added the disclaimer. We’re not done adding.
They have the #1 player in the 2026 class (who could potentially reclassify) visiting :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
Trying to gauge just how good Stokes is. Film just shows dunks in transition and some high level athletic ability. He reminds me of a more athletic Jalen Wilson, straight line speed and aggressiveness. I like the fit here but just wondering how much he could really impact a team if he joined.
FWIW I would have taken Zion Williamson. Similar (smaller) mold.
@jayhawks2010 said in The portal.:
I don’t think you can play two bigs unless your 4 is athletic and can shoot like Marcus Morris. We’ve struggled bc we’ve played two bigs and they both can’t shoot lol
Florida rotated 4 bigs, almost always 2 on the floor. Only one could shoot. Houston rotated 3 bigs, none of whom had an outside shot. Auburn played two bigs, one of them a scorer. Duke played one true big, but 3 and 4 were 6'11' and 6'8'. Michigan played 2 bigs. TTU had a starting line-up similar in size to our current projected, but Toppin > Flory and Williams > White. Fredericko also played almost 20mpg. UConn teams only had one true big, but he was dominant and they had a lot of size across the line-up - 6'4" to 6'8".
The problem isn't with necessarily 2 bigs that can't shoot - it's that the past two years we haven't had guards/wings who could attack the paint and finish at the rim and/or consistently hit from the arc. Both shortcomings are why we have had double digit losses and early exits.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker that’s why I added the disclaimer. We’re not done adding.
They have the #1 player in the 2026 class (who could potentially reclassify) visiting :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
Trying to gauge just how good Stokes is. Film just shows dunks in transition and some high level athletic ability. He reminds me of a more athletic Jalen Wilson, straight line speed and aggressiveness. I like the fit here but just wondering how much he could really impact a team if he joined.
I am in agreement. I think the kid looks like a freak of nature. But, to sound very old man yelling at clouds, his immaturity on the court shows up in his highlight film like crazy. I love the identity this team seems to have right now. I'm not sure Stokes naturally fits into it.
I would much prefer dropping the bag to go get Coward than add Stokes if given he choice.
I think KU has 4 of their 5 starters for next season and most of the rotation.
I don't see Council starting over Jackson (I know people will argue that one, but Council doesn't scream Big 12 starter to me, at least KU level starter). I also don't think Dawson should start either.
Right now, I'd roll with Jackson, Peterson, White, ????, and Flory to start with Council, Dawson, ????, and Tiller/???? as the rotation pieces off the bench.
This team won't be a great shooting team, but on paper at least, it looks like this team should be an above average scoring team and defend at an elite level. This absolutely looks like a Bill Self basketball team at this point on paper.
Rakease visited Miami and will now visit Tennessee. Working on one to Auburn as well. I think of all the guys that left this will be the one that ages badly for us...
@BShark said in The portal.:
Rakease visited Miami and will now visit Tennessee. Working on one to Auburn as well. I think of all the guys that left this will be the one that ages badly for us...
Interesting take. He didn’t show anything in his brief time in Lawrence. Are you basing that off his HS production? Seems like he could be a glue guy, maybe. But I’ve underestimated players before.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Agree re Council. Seems like a really solid rotation guy willing to go hard when he is in. But, a starter? A <15ppg scorer at St. Bonaventure? FG% 44%. 3pt% 30%. Just 2 FTAs per game averaging 37 minutes. Against much lower competition. Just 6'4'' and 180lbs. Not sure how he will measure up against other B12 guards/wings. Same with Dawson. 14ppg for a double digit loss team in the A-10. Just 41% from the field. Also 6'4" and 185lbs. White also seems like a solid rotation piece, but just 10ppg for an okay Illinois team and just 23mpg. Is he really a starter on a team that aspires to titles? 6'7'' and 210lbs. Not really a 4 and doesn't shoot well enough from outside to be a 2-3?
All good rotation players, but starters??? Are we going to have to get 25ppg+ from DP?
@dylans Self did like him and I think his interest is telling as well. Heck of an athlete for sure. Still a young kid and Self's substitution patterns did him no favors. I felt this way when Zuby left as well. He is one the staff would have taken back but with our plan and commits so far I understand his decision.
@Kcmatt7 so first of all Bill made a lot of minute and role promises to guys last off season that didn't end up happening. The talk to Rakease and his people this off-season was that while they would love to have him back they are in win now mode with Bill being near the end of his career. Kease was told that he would be battling with Jamari for 9th or 10th man if their portal plans came to fruition.
Oh and this info comes from the best possible place. I won't have access this directly very often. :)
@DCHawker I think some questions we still have is- -- -- -Have w improved this team in shooting the Ball like you said Council 44 % Fg , - -is that improvement ?- - shooting just 30 % on 3 pt shooting ?- -that's not improvement. - -White isn't by any means a better shooter, Peterson ya ok, that's one -- Flory unless he has really busted his ass during the Summer has no outside shot- -- lobs is what we know at this point. - -- - Have we improved our 3 point shooting ?-- Again Council for sure is not--- - White is not , are we still in a position as to where opponents are going to be able to back off on certain players to clog the lane again, making us prove more then once in a while we hit the three or outside jumper ? - - Have we improved our rebounding, stronger ?-- -I know Flory Starting will get boards--- -but he gets in foul trouble, who comes in to help on Boards then ?- - White is a better rebounder then KJ ?-- of course he is BUT who is making up the Difference Dickinson takes with him ?
There are pluses I agree , Our defense will be better for sure , This is where Council helps-- --Darry is suffice.-- If Flory can avoid foul ttrouble for sure better at the five Athletically, mobile , quicker , better rim defender,
Agree some More You give a team a combo of Darryn/Flory to build a team around that's a dam good start. -Heard Really likes Dawson-- Heard that Coach himself was the first one to make contact with Dawson and like was the one who recruited Dawson 98 %- -Really likes Dawson. Again other thing is been hearing more White didn't come here to come off the Bench- -and if they recruit over him he is out, not sticking around. We have a nice start to build around DP and Flory just adding the right pieces. Council really don't think is who we want as a starter, bw good rotational player but not starting.-- If we could add Coward and a quality mobile back up five for Flory, with length - -Have Darryn & Flory & Coward &- Wilson -- would be nice
@dylans said in The portal.:
All I know is there is a big push to get as much money right now before the ruling on NCAA direct payments puts a salary cap on it. Basically breaking the salary cap before it’s in place. More loopholes to come…
It seems like that new rule will be a big mess immediately. So I'm KU and we only have $2 mil left in our legal kitty fund. Won't we contact a corp with big pockets (cough.. cough.. Adidas) and have them make up the difference with a private NIL package for the guy we want to sign? Private NIL is unlimited and will remain unlimited!
Gosh... is this another one of those KU-Adidas situations where the NCAA smells trouble so they just investigate us again for a decade and then come up with nothing?
Had to Chuckle at this coming from TOS.-- Posters were talking about Staff shake up.-- LOL-- one poster says all we need to do is bring SNACKS BACK problem solved lmao-- Another poster responded to that post with a- ---YIKES ! ! ! ! had to laugh
Mini Peja in the portal yes pls
I'll take a guard tandem that drives the ball and scores any day over a couple of perimeter shooters. All it takes is trey shooters getting cold to lose games. I'd rather not count on the trey and then take it when its there. Penetrating guards are the guys who stir up the defense and create scoring space for others. It also earns us plenty at the charity stripe and puts defenses in foul trouble. Another thing it does... rarely discussed... it exhausts all those non-contact-playing guards who then suddenly can't hit their treys.
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Mini Peja in the portal yes pls
Yes. Surprisingly not a good 3pt%, but averaged 18ppg for a P5 team and definitely progressed from freshman year. DP, Dawson/Council/Elmarko, White/Stojakovic, and Flory plus another 20mpg quality big would start to get the juices flowing. Coward, Stokes would be icing on the cake...
For the first time I now watched tape on Council. Thought I was watching TT. It doesn't appear that he can finish with his left hand. His jump shot is like TTs first 3 years... shuffling his feet and not establishing his lower body form. TT went to shooters camp before his senior year and started to correct his form. To me, he looks like a 6th man candidate. Maybe his defense can earn him more PT.
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
For the first time I now watched tape on Council. Thought I was watching TT. It doesn't appear that he can finish with his left hand. His jump shot is like TTs first 3 years... shuffling his feet and not establishing his lower body form. TT went to shooters camp before his senior year and started to correct his form. To me, he looks like a 6th man candidate. Maybe his defense can earn him more PT.
Very much agree. Feels like a guy who comes off the bench but stays on the floor.
Couple of other decent guys : Andre Stintjakovic ( Peja's son ) entered 6'7 17.9 ppg from Cal entered- but has a do not contact tag -- might already have a team in mind sounds like.
Then We have P J Haggerty from Memphis pretty good , AAC POY Avg 21.7 ppg---- 5.8 Rpg- -& 3.7 assist per game
@Kcmatt7 said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
For the first time I now watched tape on Council. Thought I was watching TT. It doesn't appear that he can finish with his left hand. His jump shot is like TTs first 3 years... shuffling his feet and not establishing his lower body form. TT went to shooters camp before his senior year and started to correct his form. To me, he looks like a 6th man candidate. Maybe his defense can earn him more PT.
Very much agree. Feels like a guy who comes off the bench but stays on the floor.
Yeah Bill is going to love him I feel.
Push the chips in for Stokes. That’s where I’m at. Go big or go home
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
@dylans said in The portal.:
All I know is there is a big push to get as much money right now before the ruling on NCAA direct payments puts a salary cap on it. Basically breaking the salary cap before it’s in place. More loopholes to come…
It seems like that new rule will be a big mess immediately. So I'm KU and we only have $2 mil left in our legal kitty fund. Won't we contact a corp with big pockets (cough.. cough.. Adidas) and have them make up the difference with a private NIL package for the guy we want to sign? Private NIL is unlimited and will remain unlimited!
Gosh... is this another one of those KU-Adidas situations where the NCAA smells trouble so they just investigate us again for a decade and then come up with nothing?
Ugg
@TYOHawk Wow... just watched Stokes. In some states he could be arrested for molesting the rim like that!
I'm with you. Let next year be a "Self tribute" year and let Self SMASH THE F*CK out of college basketball! Lets put an exclamation point on college basketball. Lets show Duke how to get the job done with star freshmen!
Go on, Bill... show college basketball how its done!
@drgnslayr Unless Bill and his staff start turning away minions under 6'6", we might as well forget about dominating the NCAA!! j/k
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Agree re Council. Seems like a really solid rotation guy willing to go hard when he is in. But, a starter? A <15ppg scorer at St. Bonaventure? FG% 44%. 3pt% 30%. Just 2 FTAs per game averaging 37 minutes. Against much lower competition. Just 6'4'' and 180lbs. Not sure how he will measure up against other B12 guards/wings. Same with Dawson. 14ppg for a double digit loss team in the A-10. Just 41% from the field. Also 6'4" and 185lbs. White also seems like a solid rotation piece, but just 10ppg for an okay Illinois team and just 23mpg. Is he really a starter on a team that aspires to titles? 6'7'' and 210lbs. Not really a 4 and doesn't shoot well enough from outside to be a 2-3?
All good rotation players, but starters??? Are we going to have to get 25ppg+ from DeP?
I don't think Dawson should start and I don't think White should be the starting 4, he should be at the 3. White's scoring average last season would've been 3rd best on KU. KU isn't asking him to come in and be the guy. As a 3rd or 4th option depending on who else comes in, I'm good with White's production. Just remember, that okay Illinois team was a higher seed in the NCAA Tournament than KU was.
Peterson might be good enough to be the highest scoring player Bill Self has had at Kansas, or at least join Jalen Wilson, Frank Mason, and Wayne Simien as 20 ppg scorers and Brandon Rush, Ben McLemore, and Andrew Wiggins as the only freshmen to lead KU in scoring under Self. I also think Flory, Elmarko, and Tre White can all be double digit scorers for KU next season.
Rylan visiting Kentucky
@drgnslayr
This all day please. Penetrating guards completely screw with a defense. All focus inherently goes to the penetrator, and then if the other 4 offensive players relocate or cut to the basket, it’s open shots and/or free throws. Sr. year Tyshawn was so good at this.
That one Sam Houston State sharpshooter went to Indiana I think
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
That one Sam Houston State sharpshooter went to Indiana I think
Yes he did
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
That one Sam Houston State sharpshooter went to Indiana I think
They call Mark Pope the WHIFF man.
Any word on PJ Haggerty’s destination? And if they’ll pay his $4mil asking price?!?
Just read article about teams with most NIL money. These Schools have 10 Million : Arkansas , BYU , Duke , Indiana , Kentucky , Louisville , Michigan , St Johns , Texas Tech ,
Teams with 8 Million :- - - Auburn , U Conn , Florida , Houston , KU , KSU , Miami , Purdue , Tenn , Virg , Villanova , Tex , USC , UCLA
Money , Money , Money although thought we might be some higher
Sounds like Coward going to end up at Florida , he named his final five Schools, broke down how he would fit at the five different ones.--The five he listed are : Florida - -- --Alabama - - -Duke- -- Waashington--- & KU-- just sounds like he is headed to Florida
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STILL in need of a solid wing, someone who is a legit threat scorer , hit the J with consistency- -& a quality Big who can and is willing to back up Flory at the five.-- Still two glaring needs
Just saw where moves are being made with Darrion Williams from Texas Tech -- hmmm
Get Darrion and KU might be preseason #1 again lol, but sounded like BYU money is on the table for him so I'm not holding my breath
Edit: reread your post and may have missed what you are saying. KU is involved or signs pointing to him heading back to Tech now over BYU?
Just saw where Denzel Aberbdean from m Florisa committed to Kentucky. I was listening on the field of 68 and couldn't quite figure out why the move.
Talking about how he was in line to be a Starter from the National defending Champions to Kentucky , going from a situation where he was going from probably 35 minutes of Court time to 20-25 minutes, and just wondering how he was going to fit, as that position is already loaded at Kentucky.
They said Kentucky with they think fourteen players on the roster now, and not sure how your going to keep them all happy. Said they think Kentucky is right about a twelve Million dollar NIL payroll right now, and they don't think no way they keep all these playes.
THIS is the State College Basketball has become right now. Pitiful
Seeing Zeke entered the portal in case there is some ruling on eligibility.. also sounds like he would return to KU if that happens
Really hoping the 5/5 rule happens. Zeke is the only player from last year it would affect. (KJ is hurt, Hunt and Juan already played 5)
Would like Zeke back as well.
@FarmerJayhawk When is KJ predicted to be healthy? Sometimes elite athletes like him heal quicker and if he came back I could see some idiotic stuff lineup wise take place
Absolutely would take Zeke back. What a whirlwind portal circus
When will the Darrion Williams to BYU deal be announced? Sounds like BYU has a bag and is putting together a nice team!
I hope Darrion Williams likes having sex and drinking coffee enough to not pick BYU
This is getting totally out of control.
Are there rules that cover practice players? For instance, could Zeke, etc return as a practice / scout player? I’ve always thought it helps teams to play against the best practice squad possible. Would it make sense to invest in that?
Coward is down to Bama and Duke. Nike bidding war
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Coward is down to Bama and Duke. Nike bidding war
This is actually one I was surprised we didn’t get involved in.
His film is so good. He is productive and efficient and fills a need in a bad, bad way.
If we end up with the TTU guy it’s fine. Good backup plan. But Coward is a total stud.
@BeddieKU23 been Bama is the talk
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
I hope Darrion Williams likes having sex and drinking coffee enough to not pick BYU
I'm assuming this was tongue in cheek but just in case, you don't have to be Mormon to go to BYU.
Honestly just think he fits better with Bama if that's his destination, or Duke same, situation. They are both running offenses beter suited to him.
Self has to prove with Peterson he's going to adapt from a pound it inside philosophy to a perimeter based attack. We all know as die hard fans he's capable of it but it's been several seasons now of the same ole.
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't want to gamble on such an important position with a guy coming off a major injury and not a ton of action against top level teams. He only played 6 games this season and didn't exactly light it up against defensive juggernaut Iowa in his only game against a p4 team. Probably expensive as well and KU is not exactly rolling with cash left it sounds (majority of funds tied up right now).
Williams might not be affordable either but he's a surefire stud. Stokes as well. Those guys can move the needle. Not sure Coward will.
@RockkChalkk I think you can be suspended from the team if you violate the university code of ethics.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@RockkChalkk I think you can be suspended from the team if you violate the university code of ethics.
Chaste and Virtuous Life:
Students are expected to live a life that aligns with the principles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, including avoiding premarital sexual relations.
Abstinence:
Students are expected to abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, vaping, marijuana, and other substances.
How do they get any non-Mormon recruits?
Was just watching 247 portal program talking about commits-- who was left- -NIL money and such. Travis Brennan from 247 said sa of this point and time he says he thinks KU is the leader for Williams & if he had to rate transfers that he personally would rate him right at or very close to the top rated players in the Portal.
HE DID say now of course BYU has the unlimited Money supply BUT right now thinks KU is the one who should be considered the favorite
Elite athletes treat their body like a mormon temple… surrounding themselves with non-athletes that do the same might actually make higher standards easier.
I didn’t drink coffee in college…
Beer though.
What is the play now that the portal has closed, the vast majority of entrants committed (certainly of the top 100), and we have the 31st ranked portal class (per 247)? I assume someone on the board has a good idea.
Are we putting a lot/all our eggs in the Stokes or Williams basket? Where are the points (and rebounds) going to come from with who we have now? We have 5ppg coming back - that's it. Flory should be improved, but he is not going to be a big scorer. Are White, Dawson and Council going to up their scoring averages against B12 competition? Doubtful. Let's assume they can maintain their scoring average and Flory doubles to 10ppg. Those four get us less than 50ppg. Maybe DP can get 20ppg+. Bench points? If opponents clog the middle and dare to knock down 3s, who can consistently do that?
Do we currently have a roster that can be competitive game to game? Yes, but compete for a B12 title, let alone a NC? Doesn't seem to be close to that. DP better be the best player in the country and unstoppable...
We have had several swings and miss , 247 saying that Eleven of the top fifth teen have committed
@DCHawker The roster is still incomplete. There's still quality players in the portal and there will be players withdrawing from the draft who are mostly the highest ceiling players available.
As far as scoring, yes Darryn Peterson is that good. Flory should see a big bump as long as he bulks up a bit this offseason and probablymore than doubles his scoring output. Tre White will likely see a little scoring bump as he'll likely play closer to 30 mpg, but is a proven double digit per game scorer in a power conference at both Illinois and Louisville.
I also believe that since KU hasn't really been linked to a high level PG that the staff expects Elmarko be a major factor and if he plays anywhere near his ceiling, he's another double digit per game scorer.
KU will be fine, Self has clearly shown this offseason that he has a better understanding of the portal and has recruited players that should be much better fits than last season.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/04/2025-nba-draft-early-entrants-list.html ↗
This has a list of players who have declared for the draft and has a list of players who could withdraw before the May 28 deadline. Somewhere in that list is likely where the last big piece of the puzzle will come from. Even if not, I do believe there will be at least 3 future NBA players on KU's roster next season with Peterson, Flory, and Elmarko.
You are spot on here. Self is being more careful to only look for players that fit in his scheme this time.
I feel comfortable that we get at least one more very solid starter piece.
Flory needs more offensive moves... but he's going to rack up good numbers regardless. This year he will be starting and counted on... that means everything to him. He will rack up numbers just by hustling more. I don't see him as NBA ready for quite some time. But he'll have plenty of NIL money to bide his time and develop. If he's smart, he'll do it in college instead of being traded every other week in developmental ball at the next level.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Who do you see backing Flory ?--- Still no back up Big.
Don't think that's actually the case. Not getting into bidding wars for guys, Flory cost double what they might have expected so that took available capital that could have went elsewhere. They have been selective and diligent about things this cycle. We shall see if it pays off. They obviously have 2 major needs still if this is to be anything close to a good portal season. The waiting and constant circus does suck tho
Wonder if Desmond Claude would be an option if Williams doesn't work out. Previous relationship from HS..
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Who do you see backing Flory ?--- Still no back up Big.
That's potentially one of the needs, but if Tiller can recover from his ankle surgery in an expected timeline which would have him cleared in time for summer workouts, that would be the ideal option behind Flory. Tiller has less shooting range than KJ did so he wouldn't be much use at the 4 on offense, but as a back up 5, would be a good situation. This might be what the staff is anticipating as well considering KU hasn't really been connected with many post options in the portal to this point.
Right now, Self is more focused on trying to find his 5th starter rather than a back up post option so we might see more movement in regards to a back up 5 after the Williams/Stokes situation is settled. That said, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Bryson Tiller ended up being Flory's primary back up.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Elite athletes treat their body like a mormon temple… surrounding themselves with non-athletes that do the same might actually make higher standards easier.
I didn’t drink coffee in college…
Beer though.
It seemed like more were like John Daly than Tiger Woods back in the day.
May not STILL be to late to get in on that big w need to team up with/Flory. Jor Tipton pasted that 6" 11 Louisville Big Man James Scott Soph , has entered the ported. This came out about a hour and a half ago.
Not huge numbers and yet averaged 7.1 ppg 7 6.1 rpg not monster by any means but team him with Flory think it would be very suffice production wise and the two combined would make up a quality tandem at the Five. We could at least dabble our toes get a feel what the water might be like on this guy.
Was listening to locked on Jay Haqks and from I'm hearing there is a number between Ku & Williams just trying to make it work as thete is mutual interest.
He's apparently also saying his focus is the draft right now so there may not be anything happening as quickly as we hope it will. Things are subject to change as always. There's a competitive offer for him but perhaps not the number he's seeking atm
Well guys I just got to say this and I know more likely then not there will be some even a lot possibly will say or think I'm the forever eternal pessimist and that's ok , everyone is entitled to speak their thoughts and we are all adults and a great open forum , and you have your right to your thoughts and opinions that's fine totally understand, you probably think I'm 1000 5 wrong -- that's ok It's just what i think at this moment.
So with having said that I got to say I'm am far not overly impressed with this portal recruitment, I'm just not. Tell me who in this group of three portal commits really impresses you - - -sweeps you off your feet , you feel is a home run ? -- -Who in this group puts fear into opponent's teams ? ? opposing players ?
it just seems these last couple of years we have lost our edge.---Is it lack of NIL money ?- - is it because of weak links in our staff and or the staff effort /--Has Coach lost his killer instinct-- ability to close ? I think it could be a little of all mentioned. Face it , it use to be most people would consider anytime they came to the Phog- -we would take them out, that great Phog mystique you could almost book it. There are teams not NOT AFRAID to come to the Phog and play anymore. What happened to the intimidation factor of just the building it 'self The Dogs KU use to have to go along with it. It's just not the same atmosphere, we get behind and the crowd goes silent a lot sooner- the Post Game ROCK CHALK is really gotten sad
Right now these guys are just not what we use to be , say what you want these players today are more about the Money rather then the Schol and tradition. Again other then Peterson who scares you other then Peterson for opposing players ?- -Now things could change if we some ho pull Williams then much better I just don't know if any. this is just a mediocre group quality bunch , but a group that will make a serious run-- I don't think so, not right now. Thanks guys for listening, right or wrong.
@SlimShaddy54 we got 3 role players from the portal and we need 2 more starters. If we cant recruit 2 more guys that are at least as good as the ones we have gotten from the portal, my hopes
arent going to be super high. If we dont have 5 clear starter level players we at least need high level depth.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@SlimShaddy54 we got 3 role players from the portal and we need 2 more starters. If we cant recruit 2 more guys that are at least as good as the ones we have gotten from the portal, my hopes
arent going to be super high. If we dont have 5 clear starter level players we at least need high level depth.
This is all super weird.
@approxinfinity well Tre White is a guy that started for a better team last year and word around Omaha is Bill promised Dawson he will start.
Best case right now is one more high caliber player while keeping everyone currently on the roster.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity well Tre White is a guy that started for a better team last year and word around Omaha is Bill promised Dawson he will start.
Best case right now is one more high caliber player while keeping everyone currently on the roster.
Splitting hairs, but not sure Illinois was really a better team - 22-13. Regardless, White averaged only 23mpg, 6th most on the team. 5th leading scorer. Only 70 3PA - seventh on the team and half of every other starter. 33% on 3s. Decent rebounder, but less than 1 APG for a guard/wing? Seems like more of a solid rotation piece than a starter on a title contending team. Fine with Dawson as a starting combo guard with DP, with Council and Elmarko rotating, but we need another big wing/4 who should be the 1st or 2nd scoring option. We have no size right now. Even then, unless we are confident that Elmarko and Tiller are fully recovered from injuries and can contribute serious minutes, we are woefully short of quality depth, esp. up front...
Pitino has completely restocked SJU in the portal with quality players - can't imagine that the Johnnies have a bigger NIL budget than KU? Same with several other teams that, at least 'til now, appear to have done a lot more with the portal. I fully support getting guys who "fit", which wasn't the case last year, but the wait and see game is excruciating...
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
May not STILL be to late to get in on that big w need to team up with/Flory. Jor Tipton pasted that 6" 11 Louisville Big Man James Scott Soph , has entered the ported. This came out about a hour and a half ago.
Not huge numbers and yet averaged 7.1 ppg 7 6.1 rpg not monster by any means but team him with Flory think it would be very suffice production wise and the two combined would make up a quality tandem at the Five. We could at least dabble our toes get a feel what the water might be like on this guy.
Rumor is Will Wade tampered with him.
I agree it's been underwhelming but here's my rebuttal. We took high profile transfers the past two seasons and got what for it?
Perhaps after 2 years of hindsight they had to find better fits and guys that were affordable which is very hard to do. The war chest isn't unlimited and Peterson and Flory take up a ton, plus the 3 transfers you did get.
Still work to be done to judge this offseason. I don't see how you can stop until you find at least 1 more starter and a legit backup big.
I'm optimistic that after all this circus is over and the roster is set that there will be a team ready to buy in. Peterson leading should be a welcome change in town. He's got a chance to be the best player in the country and guys will play up around him
@BeddieKU23 4.6 for Darryn and Flory from KU alone...
Staff took their time and I think found good fits. I think they learned a major lesson about trying to have guys play a completely different way than they did the previous season. Watching Illinois games, it's very clear Tre White would translate. Bill will use him in the same ways as Brad and it makes perfect sense. Good IQ and effort player. Won't need to run much for him either, but he is a good cutter.
For people that don't know the full deal with Council... KU actually started watching St Bonaventure games because of Lajae Jones (KU would never tamper) and fell in love with Council instead. Having watched a lot of Bonnie games myself I can see why on both fronts. Jones is a guy that should have better numbers but he will drift through games sometimes and doesn't always assert himself. Council otoh is a certified DOG.
All this said they NEED one more meaningful addition. A guy with some size that can hopefully shoot it a bit.
@BeddieKU23 Oh I agree with Peterson & Flory about the only one of the three that really does anything maybe Dawson , heard good things on him-- White doesn't move the needle, tries to bully not much on outside shots-- a little not much, Council ya good defensively again his outside gsme is suspect. Just afraid if we can't find a solid wing that can score on three levels just going to be a repeat. Teams pack the lane keep Darryn from driving and force us to prove to them we have someone who can hit the three or consistent outside J
You make my point too because I agree with you 100 % we STILL NED that wing and a dam back up for Flory.
With this current group as of now sure might contend for Big Twelve but to make serious noise in the NCAA'S -- right now just can't see it.
Was listening to Locked on Jay Hawks and they were talking about other possibilities for back up to Flory , another possibility might be Ba Ba Miller - 6" 11 averaged 7 rpg per 1.7 blocks per good rim protecter a guy you could even spot minutes at the 3 or the 4 shot 35 % from the three-- multiple positions , could play back up to Flory or even play spots minutes with Flory , was saying would be one of the better shot blocking front courts in the Nation-- possible, get at a decent cost
I think we can have an elite roster with 1 more big starter addition like Darrion Williams. Dawson and white fill in nicely as starters. Council being a main bench piece. Elmarko as an X factor. Maybe he will play a lot but you can’t bank on him filling a role. He had a major injury and it’s hard to see how he will bounce back. He had an underwhelming freshman year too. He was trending up prior to his injury from all accounts and had the highschool ranking so there’s hope there still… I’m sure they will add a depth center player and it would be nice to have one more bench pure shooter for the right moment.
So the last two years was a disaster. This year our strategy is to first go get the #1 player. He’s our bait along with NIL. So far, can’t say the recruit results are overwhelming but maybe Self learned his lesson by going after better fit players. Exactly, what are better fit players? We know it isn’t just looking at stats. Obviously, players have to have specific skills we need on the court. But we know we need more. We need fast learners. Perhaps players that have been coached up similar to Self’s style. We all heard the nightmare practice stories from last year… players never “got it!” Isn’t it possible we need Self and staff to adjust coaching down to a one-year strategy? I still have hopes this year that Self will produce late finds!
I’m happy that the programs our transfers are coming from dont seem to have fanbases claiming their departure as a win. Some actually seem disappointed. Thats a step in the right direction
@drgnslayr Ya have read in multiple sites from so call analysts that agree with you that they say so far any ways they are underwhelmed by the players KU has gotten through the Portal and I mentioned earlier myself too the one's we have gotten don't take your breathe away. Not saying that couldn't change if they could manage to land Williams and a quality back up for Flory.
As of right now I saw rankings for the portal and the players we got were like --- # 84 -- -- # 89--- -& 124 that is not going to put the fear of GOD into to many opposing Coach's/Teams.
Also have started hearing that Williams is leaning more to staying in the draft as of this moment----- --who knows ?-- I don't just different people talking FWIW
I'm a very big fan of the roster. I think they need a guy who can rebound, shoot and defend a post player if necessary. Otherwise the types of guys they added are clear fits. I can already sense this group playing with a chip on their shoulders.
If Bill doesn’t find a shooter this lineup will be bad. There is absolutely zero reason to fear the perimeter with the group as assembled. If the season started now, I would expect at best a 4th place finish in the Big12. I hope Bill can find a couple more significant contributors, I dislike watching KU play mediocre basketball.
Peterson is the only reason to be excited. We’ve seen what Flory can’t do. White, and Council are a support players. Tiller is recovering from injury. Rando transfer I can’t remember is supposed to be a player - maybe. Elmarko is a huge question mark. The roster sucks as of today. Bill has some major work to do, as in there is zero scoring punch, no outside shot, and no size on the roster. It’s going to be a blood bath if Bill can’t snag some more “real guys”.
@dylans Self recruited "real guys" from the portal the last two years. It didn't work out. Now Self has recruited players fit his system offensively and play defense. None of the players have been elite 3 point shooters, but KU won't be bad either. Dawson has consistent been around 37% at Loyola-Chicago so even the usual dip would still likely keep him around 34/35%. Tre White has gotten better each season by about 3% which if he continues that trend puts him around 35-36%. Council has been pretty, but his FT% suggests he could keep improving and his efficiency should be better with reduced usage. This team won't be elite shooting, but not the dumpster fire you think either.
Flory will make big strides between his freshmen and sophomore seasons with his biggest gains coming in the weight room. His body has plenty of room to add muscle mass so don't be shocked if he starts next season with 15-20 lbs. of added muscle. He'll average a double-double next season and potentially lead the Big 12 in rebounding.
It used to be, as Bobby Knight said, that the best thing about a freshman is knowing he will become a sophomore. Now fans announce definitive judgments about the limitations of sophomores-to-be as if no player could possibly improve from their first year.
Been reading that I guess KU is being mentioned by more then one the early leader for Williams. KU -- Arkansas-- -& Ohio State, word is surprised that BYU not involved but watch that's probably gonna change. True Meat Market-- players put up on the Auction block.
Also talk that Darrion just looking to see how much money he can get in he College level. Plus like don't be surprised like has been happening if another player backs out or a School like Michigan misses that they throw the Bag looking like around 4 Million to be played just the way things are right now- - long ways from settled.
@dylans I share your fear because of the last two years. But when I’m not hiding under the couch I feel better about this team (over the last two years). I’m expecting DP to start every half court possession much better than the last two years. I liked Juan but just felt he limited our offense. First thing to expect from DP… any team fall asleep getting back on defense will get burned in the open court. Any team not set well in the beginning of half court defense will get burned. Throughout the possession, as the year progresses we’ll experience DP blooming in off-ball playmaking. This is a guy who can score in all offensive areas. I believe he’ll be putting up 20+ per game. Flory actually has a fairly easy developmental year; learning to cue off of DP. It would be great if we could find another primo scorer, no doubt, and I think we will. Outside of NIL considerations, what a perfect setup for a wing player with big offense! I feel like adding one more elite player (that fits our system) turns us from a top-3 B12 team to a solid contender. To be a March contender we need considerable help… probably 2 elite players that fit and at least 2 good players off the bench, one should be either a big 5 capable of dominating the paint, or a 5/stretch 4 who can hold down the 5 or play with Flory and offer more offense than dunks.
KU has a zoom call on Tuesday with Ahamad Bynum, transfer guard from UTEP. Unorthodox perimeter shot but made 44% from deep on 5 attempts per game (68/153). Depth piece for cheap? Clearly not a starter type but definitely a guy who can shoot
Looks like he started at Depaul, went Juco to UTEP.
@BeddieKU23 Doesn't make much sense to me
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 Doesn't make much sense to me
I don't understand it either. Played 20mpg for UTEP. Yes, shot 44% from 3 with some volume (up from 20% freshman year), but only about 35% from inside the arc. Against lesser competition than in the B12. Based on stats, can't do much else. Who does he sub for? Do we run plays to get him open looks? Just 6'3'' (if) - can he get off shots off consistently?
We don't have anyone on the roster who can really score at three levels, and he isn't the answer. We need at least one, if not two starter calibers guys who can do that. All the FF teams had multiple guards/wings who could score at three levels, and multiple shooting high 30s or even over 40% from deep.
Looks like a bench piece and that’s fine. They do need some bodies
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 Doesn't make much sense to me
I don't understand it either. Played 20mpg for UTEP. Yes, shot 44% from 3 with some volume (up from 20% freshman year), but only about 35% from inside the arc. Against lesser competition than in the B12. Based on stats, can't do much else. Who does he sub for? Do we run plays to get him open looks? Just 6'3'' (if) - can he get off shots off consistently?
We don't have anyone on the roster who can really score at three levels, and he isn't the answer. We need at least one, if not two starter calibers guys who can do that. All the FF teams had multiple guards/wings who could score at three levels, and multiple shooting high 30s or even over 40% from deep.
He is a non-rotation depth piece. KU still needs bench players to practice against since they can't have walk-ons any more. Darrion Williams is going to be the last big piece if he withdraws from the draft so we'll be waiting about another month or so on that one. Right now, Self still has to fill out the roster with depth pieces that are good practice guys while waiting on Williams to go through the draft process.
@Texas-Hawk-10 If that's what it is sure, but I wonder if Bynum would be okay with that.
So, regarding Williams... Would definitely be a good get - can hit from outside and post his man on the blocks. But it seems like all our eggs are in one basket? What if he stays in the draft? What is plan B? If he does come to KU, does White stay? If so, do they both start at the 3/4? Still not a particularly long or big line-up. If White leaves, Williams is the better version of a similar player, but at a really high cost. Then we are still left with the problem of needing another started at the 3/4.
I'm still struggling to see the bigger picture. I get trying to get guys who "fit" and I don't have issue with any of the adds as rotation players, but it seems like we are looking at some of the same issues as this past couple of years with roster construction. Floor spacing, rebounding, and lack of 40% 3pt shooters...
St. Johns is a good comp. All Pitino had coming back was Zuby, similar to KU with Flory (although even that was in doubt). So Pitino hit the portal hard and landed a complete complementary starting roster - Hopkins, Mitchell, Sanon, Jackson, and Sellers. Any of the 3 probably better than the 3 we've signed so far. 5 guys - size, shooters and ball handlers plus Zuby. DP might be the only guy on our roster who I would take over any of the Johnnies. So, how is SJ able to do that, with I assume a much smaller NIL budget???
We continue to look at historical stats and apply it as a definite outcome at KU. We should now know from the past years we need a more creative view to perceive players and if they fit at Kansas. We need to better understand the historical conditions that determined how players created their stats. This is a big part of calculating their fit at KU. Also… a very pointed interview with the players should also help project their success as a Jayhawk. At this point… I would avoid players who only have the gift to shoot treys. We need aggressive players that can drive and then shoot/pass. Players that can create their own offense. And if they historically only shoot 32% from trey, figure out offensive schemes that will maximize their efficiency.
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
So, regarding Williams... Would definitely be a good get - can hit from outside and post his man on the blocks. But it seems like all our eggs are in one basket? What if he stays in the draft? What is plan B? If he does come to KU, does White stay? If so, do they both start at the 3/4? Still not a particularly long or big line-up. If White leaves, Williams is the better version of a similar player, but at a really high cost. Then we are still left with the problem of needing another started at the 3/4.
I'm still struggling to see the bigger picture. I get trying to get guys who "fit" and I don't have issue with any of the adds as rotation players, but it seems like we are looking at some of the same issues as this past couple of years with roster construction. Floor spacing, rebounding, and lack of 40% 3pt shooters...
St. Johns is a good comp. All Pitino had coming back was Zuby, similar to KU with Flory (although even that was in doubt). So Pitino hit the portal hard and landed a complete complementary starting roster - Hopkins, Mitchell, Sanon, Jackson, and Sellers. Any of the 3 probably better than the 3 we've signed so far. 5 guys - size, shooters and ball handlers plus Zuby. DP might be the only guy on our roster who I would take over any of the Johnnies. So, how is SJ able to do that, with I assume a much smaller NIL budget???
The guys Self has brought can all drive the basketball and/or move without the basketball and understand how to cut and use picks and screens. That was not something Griffen and Storr ever got comfortable with doing. Even if Dawson and White may not be as talented as Griffen and Storr on paper, their familiarity with running variations of the system Self does will make their learning curves not very steep. These are all players who know how to play in a motion offense. These also all players who know how to play defense and are willing defenders.
Yes, Self is looking for one more big name and Darrion Williams is the player they've targeted. Right now, tbest draft projections I've seen has him as a mid 2nd round pick with other places having him as a late pick or undrafted. There's a good chance he ends up withdrawing from the draft. Even if he stays in, I'm sure Self and staff have a list of who else they like and will target, but we won't know any of that stuff for about a month. There will be a wave of players who withdraw from the draft if they don't receive a combined invite and another wave that will withdraw after the combine. Remy Martin and Kevin McCullar didn't commit to KU until mid May.
People need to exercise some patience right now because there won't be much movement among top transfers right now because they are going through the draft process. Any players we hear about now are likely just bench pieces that are unlikely to be in the rotation next season. Without having a walk on program anymore, KU still needs players like this as practice bodies that could develop into rotation players down the road. We know Self doesn't play 14 players so we know some of these targets won't be rotation level players.
@drgnslayr You also don't need a bunch of 40% outside shooters to be successful. Most of the players for next season project as mid 30% which is still good enough that opponents will have to respect and defend that. Florida was 35.5% last season (KU was 35.4%) which was 86th nationally, which was good, but not elite. I know you compared next season's roster to St. John's, but this team as constructed will be better at driving the ball and being able to score. Michigan St. made the Elite 8 shooting 31.1% from 3 which was 317th.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr You also don't need a bunch of 40% outside shooters to be successful. Most of the players for next season project as mid 30% which is still good enough that opponents will have to respect and defend that. Florida was 35.5% last season (KU was 35.4%) which was 86th nationally, which was good, but not elite. I know you compared next season's roster to St. John's, but this team as constructed will be better at driving the ball and being able to score. Michigan St. made the Elite 8 shooting 31.1% from 3 which was 317th.
There is a gap in attempts between KU and Florida, but that's just a Bill Self thing.
The last KU title team the major rotation players from three were: 40%, 38%, 26%, 38%, 32%. Not including JCL or Yesufu. Neither big shot threes (1-4 COMBINED). 36% as a team on less attempts than last season.
KU, imo will be good enough from three next year. There are many other areas they need to improve. I'm not worried about three point shooting generally as long as the last impact addition (ideally Williams) is a solid shooter.
The absence, rather than the addition of players, will mean that next year's team will be able to play with a faster tempo. I think that will make a big difference.
As far as I can tell, all additions (so far) will not impede the tempo.
No more walk-ons? Did our coaches age out of having more kids?
@mayjay said in The portal.:
No more walk-ons? Did our coaches age out of having more kids?
HA.
Casualty of recent changes. Everyone will be on scholarship now.
Don't really know where to put this, but Duke C Khamen Maluach has officially entered the NBA Draft. Not newsworthy itself because he's a projected top 10 pick. Unfortunately he may not be drafted as he is here on a student visa from South Sudan which were recently canceled. Since his visa has been canceled, that means he can't legally play basketball in the United States. He could play 41 games if he was with the Raptors (home games only) or play in Europe. ICE is currently trying to locate him to deport him, but Duke is doing what they can to hide and protect him.
Regardless of personal feelings towards Duke, this is a beyond f-ed up situation where Maluach may miss out on making generational wealth because of a situation far beyond his control.
@Texas-Hawk-10 to quote a senior administration official, “The cruelty is the point”
I thought the Gestapo admirers reversed the visa cancellations of international students, and were now concentrating on deporting US-citizen children of adults getting shanghaied???
Does anyone know what the hell is really going on?
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
Don't really know where to put this, but Duke C Khamen Maluach has officially entered the NBA Draft. Not newsworthy itself because he's a projected top 10 pick. Unfortunately he may not be drafted as he is here on a student visa from South Sudan which were recently canceled. Since his visa has been canceled, that means he can't legally play basketball in the United States. He could play 41 games if he was with the Raptors (home games only) or play in Europe. ICE is currently trying to locate him to deport him, but Duke is doing what they can to hide and protect him.
Regardless of personal feelings towards Duke, this is a beyond f-ed up situation where Maluach may miss out on making generational wealth because of a situation far beyond his control.
Don't forget sports aren't political! Lol.
This is so gross and wrong. I do think it at least helps to have some of these more high profile cases shared over and over again just so people know what is really going on. Imagine all of the folks who don't have the name recognition, the support of a rich private university, etc. It's heartbreaking.
Apparently I was misinformed. International students whose visas were revoked have not had their visas restored by the administration's reversal. It has to do with the federal database of international students' status, where the feds had terminated their F-1 student status en masse. Deleting their status made them eligible for deportation. It is the status that has been restored. DHS says no visas have been restored.
I admit I have no idea what I'm talking about, but it sounds like something that may only delay students from joining the ranks of deportees as a result of the database change--until ICE just gets around to rounding up all visa holders from particular countries. Anyone who understands the student database thing is free to correct me!
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 to quote a senior administration official, “The cruelty is the point”
I don't think enough people understand this. Even all the FAFSA revamp stuff (started under trump but finished under biden) seemed to purposefully make things more difficult for those who would need the support the most.
Icestapo is what I call it. "illegals" is the equivalent to Jews 75 years ago and the detention centers that the border czar is codeword for c0ncentration camps. This is a nightmare situation unfolding in our country and one small impact is on sports and the aforementioned outrage.
@wissox said in The portal.:
Icestapo is what I call it. “illegals” is the equivalent to Jews 75 years ago and the detention centers that the border czar is codeword for c0ncentration camps. This is a nightmare situation unfolding in our country and one small impact is on sports and the aforementioned outrage.
Disgusting post and you should be ashamed for pushing this hogwash narrative. Its nowhere near the same and insulting to families or people impacted by WW2 and its events.
@RockkChalkk The Holocaust didn't start with a bunch of exterminations that suddenly surprised everybody. Hitler ran for Chancellor on a campaign to literally destroy the German democracy, and he did it. It took 58 days. Using executive orders and passing laws restricting the rights of Jews in Germany are precisely how Hitler began his agenda. Once you declare people aren't as entitled to legal protections as others, you open the door to larger scale assaults on civil liberties on a large scale which Trump has expressly stated is his goal.
What is disgusing is how few people recognize the historical parallels...and how you attack someone who recognizes them. Martin Niemöller had something to say about that willful blindness. Please read some history.
can we not go scorched earth? I know it’s stressful times, but can we avoid getting personal? ie its better to be disgusted by an idea than a person, its better to discredit an idea than shame a person who thinks it. Defensiveness is antithetical to change, so anyone who is committed to winning over hearts and minds should try to not force people of differing opinions to defend themselves, and thusly make it hard for people to separate themselves from the opinions they hold.
Oh brother
So KU has been linked with Desmond Claude. Claude is visiting Florida this week. I'm not a big fan.
@Gorilla72 good with this. :thumbs_up:
I’d just like to say for the record that I had a bad Hitler joke lined up. I resisted, or am resisting.
@RockkChalkk Sorry/not sorry if I can. The topic was threaded into the discussion of someone being deported who's here to play basketball. I see a lot of parallels. It's not a hogwash narrative. Hyperbole has been used to make points a lot in writing. I was employing the same. Trumps policies are already leading to deaths and so I'll speak up, even on a great basketball blog.
@wissox Every leaders policies lead to deaths. That’s the burden of the position.
This type of conversion is what the political section is for (we can all fall into this rabbit hole if not careful). Politics are more interesting and impactful, but also far more polarizing. Since the 70s politicians have leaned into emotional rhetoric over factual speaking points and it’s a problem for advancing the nation. Basketball conversions generally have more factual basis.
I block anyone that can’t stick to basketball on this thread because it’s supposed to be a release from that bs that’s actually impactful to our lives. Don’t care about the pope or president, here they’re just bit players.
@rockchalkjayhawk resistance is futile
Yeah, guys, lets move it over to political if we want to continue, please
Coward to Duke. Would have been fine going after and getting him in lieu of waiting on Williams...
If we get Williams though it was worth the wait!
Coward to Duke…what was he scared of?
Coward to Duke, just like the rest of ‘em.
Coward to Duke - I just buried my head in the sand and picked a school.
Coward to Duke - No way could I go to KU, I’d be a chicken hawk!
Coward to Duke. Which one? 😝
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Surprised Bama didn't get him but I guess Duke's NIL won out
I wonder if Coward has graduated because Duke has a lot of trouble getting non-grad transfers in (has cost them several portal guys).
@wissox said in The portal.:
@RockkChalkk Sorry/not sorry if I can. The topic was threaded into the discussion of someone being deported who's here to play basketball. I see a lot of parallels. It's not a hogwash narrative. Hyperbole has been used to make points a lot in writing. I was employing the same. Trumps policies are already leading to deaths and so I'll speak up, even on a great basketball blog.
It's almost like the concept of sports and politics cannot actually be separated. Hmm...
I think @dylans has a fair point that we need separation / compartmentalization of concepts.
It is a noble goal to find common ground, compassion and consensus with and for people with different beliefs than yourself. If all concepts bleed together that goal can become increasingly hard.
We need to fight back against the winner-take-all globalizing singularity of all entities (including ideas) and be able to appreciate things like moderation, diversity, balance, satisfaction.
Lets not lose our taste for these beautiful concepts!
Also, the above is not intended to be political, just a rebuttal to the idea that sports cannot (should not?) be separated from politics. There is value in keeping things in their lanes.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
I think @dylans has a fair point that we need separation / compartmentalization of concepts.
It is a noble goal to find common ground, compassion and consensus with and for people with different beliefs than yourself. If all concepts bleed together that goal can become increasingly hard.
We need to fight back against the winner-take-all globalizing singularity of all ideas and be able to appreciate things like moderation, diversity, balance, satisfaction.
Lets not lose our taste for these beautiful concepts!
YOU SAID THE D WORD! J/K Sorry, @approxinfinity While I disagree with you, I do respect and appreciate you and all you do to keep this little community together.
So... Is KU going to have a full team next year? Seems like maybe we should have taken on more players previously and just eaten all of those penalties this year!
@dylans It"s all about the money anymore.-- I'd almost be willing to bet even with all the money BYU has thrown around this year--- They ARE NOT winning the NCAA title this year with AJ and all the others , we've seen it before , to many I need the ball in my hands so I can show NBA Scouts-- -to many black holes you Watch, have a really good year-- -I'm just saying right here - -right now they are not winning the Title.
Then what good has all that unlimited money done ?--- ABSOLUTELY ZERO?/ NADA / ZELCH / NOTHING- -book it buddy , and s long as they are are getting all the money - they could give a Rat's Ass about winning the title OR the School , it's about the payday
@benshawks08 STII FOUR Scholi's available according to Locked on Jay Hawks- - -Daily podcast
Can't remember his first name-- -but last name of Bynum I believe where there has been conversation, not real sure how serious KU is/was but he for sure for me would be ummmm NOPE been dismissed for the Season from the last two Schools he played for- -don't need that Cancer for sure
A unexpected/Surprise Player has entered the Portal and Bill is being linked to him according to Athlon Sports & Joe Tipton from on 3.
Desmond Claude a junior from USC has entered and I guess were in on him pretty hard. A 6'6 guard Avg 15.6 ppg -- - 4.2 assists per -& 3.5 rpg .--Word is out really good player.
Has a visit scheduled Thursday with Florida ,Schools involved are Florida- -North Carolina- --Virginia--- & KU
Even though Claude has the visit Scheduled according to sources and Joe Tipton from On Three-- -Kansas remains very much in the mix.--- - Yep I'd take him in a New York Minute-- fingers crossed
@benshawks08 MDNAWWAM … make “diversity” not a “woke” word any more…
Acronym rolls right off the tongue! Haha
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
A unexpected/Surprise Player has entered the Portal and Bill is being linked to him according to Athlon Sports & Joe Tipton from on 3.
Desmond Claude a junior from USC has entered and I guess were in on him pretty hard. A 6'6 guard Avg 15.6 ppg -- - 4.2 assists per -& 3.5 rpg .--Word is out really good player.
Has a visit scheduled Thursday with Florida ,Schools involved are Florida- -North Carolina- --Virginia--- & KU
Even though Claude has the visit Scheduled according to sources and Joe Tipton from On Three-- -Kansas remains very much in the mix.--- - Yep I'd take him in a New York Minute-- fingers crossed
Nice. But how are kids still entering the portal? I thought it closed.
@RockkChalkk they just had to have the paperwork or something like that. By the time it gets through all the wish wash takes a minute but had to enter before the 22nd
Not a transfer but seeing Dame Sarr could be a potential KU target (international kid). Italian kid who's 6'7 with 7 foot wingspan. Illinois was heavily on him but apparently out now. Rumored to be KU/Oregon and the latter possibly having a big NIL pitch but who knows
Mama Mia! We will have to make him an NIL offer he can't refuse.
247 confirming interest and that its KU/Oregon battle at the moment. Would be a big time add if it happens
Swain's latest update for today:
Sarr is a legit target- KU/Oregon the two to watch, UNC also interested.
Nothing new on Williams- committed to draft right now, don't think that's uncommon for prospects that are focused on getting drafted to be relaying that feedback until its time for them to make a final decision about their next step.
Bynum the UTEP transfer is not a serious target.
KU is looking at the international route for a Center. Perhaps a new target is emerging but he's trying to confirm the interest first before reporting.
Also saying things have slowed at the moment.
Bill was also in Cancun for most of last week so not a lot of recruiting was going on lol
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Bill was also in Cancun for most of last week so not a lot of recruiting was going on lol
There is a plot twist to this.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Bill was also in Cancun for most of last week so not a lot of recruiting was going on lol
There is a plot twist to this.
Universidad de Cancun's Jose Hernandez is in the portal. Bill Self is putting in work
@P-H-C said in The portal.:
@wissox
Found the left-wing kook ☝️
This died 3 days ago let's not give it life again please.
Question ?- -Don't get me wrong , simple question,, real head scratcher .- - Ok , why is our site here , and it's a very good group BUT have often wondered- - During the week Monday through Thursday constant flow- always something buzzing about something lots of good chatter the FRIDAY CRICKETS - NOTHING LOL WHY ? - - OH WHY I ASKIN WHY ?--- I love the constant chatter-- possibilities and then BAM just like a kick to the you know what lol
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7 oh i missed what he was saying. I thought Jose Hernandez was some sort of eccentric left-handed kid. Have we had a lefty on most of Selfs teams?
Xavier Henry, Julian Wright?, Flory, Shakeel Moore
I don’t remember anyone else
Did you know that Lodrick Stewart is left handed and Rodrick Stewart is right handed? Their names worked out well for them I guess.
Rylan Griffen is going to be joining Zach Clemence at Texas A&M.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7 Hunter, Josh Jackson, JCL, Wayne Selden, Keith Langford.
I don’t remember Josh Jackson, JCL or Selden shooting with their lefts
@approxinfinity was it the AI summary from Google? That’ll get ya every time. It’s never factual. So apparently ai is bad at both math and handedness. lol
@benshawks08 i just really dont understand how divorced from the truth we are. I guess the truth costs money. And its easier to serve up a pile of trash.
Adam Miller, old friend, Leaving zona state for Zaga. Likes the Z's I guess. He was a senior in HS before the pandemic when his mom told me she's hoping he'll be a one and done. She also told me he likes KU. So I guess he transferred after his freshman year and had to sit, draconian rules that they are, and will finish his fifth and final season next year.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7 think i was incorrect about those guys. Jesus. All i did was ask google the ones i thought i recalled being lefties. Apparently Google really wanted to tell me “yes”. So much misinformation. Just looked at the youtube vids thx.
Probably searched for democrats! :face_with_hand_over_mouth:
To me, the most notable lefty was Langford. He brutalized defenders by driving to his left. I loved watching him play!
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
To me, the most notable lefty was Langford. He brutalized defenders by driving to his left. I loved watching him play!
I just don't think of Langford as a Bill Self guy since he was a Roy Williams recruit first. But he was a total stud and I truly think the NBA whiffed on him. He shot .375 from 3 internationally on 1271 attempts. I know he said he could have gone to the NBA at several points but chose to stay in Europe for other reasons. But if the money was ever really there for him then he would have gone.
I could listen to Langford talk basketball all day. Dude’s impressive. Glad he went to Europe, its a part of who he is, seeing the world.
@BShark said in The portal.:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/pat-suemnick-1.html ↗
How would he have another season? Is he waiting on the 5×5 ruling?
@BShark said in The portal.:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/pat-suemnick-1.html ↗
Didn’t he cook us once?
@Texas-Hawk-10 Covid year
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Covid year
I just dug a little, it's not a Covid year, it's a JuCo year. I didn't notice that there was a year missing between his seasons at Robert Morris and West Virginia and it was a year at a JuCo.
A Covid year didn't make sense because his freshman year was post Covid.
@Texas-Hawk-10 20-21 was the Covid year so it doesn’t count either
The other night I watched a Dame to Kill For. Good movie. Also Dame watch is ON
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/pat-suemnick-1.html ↗
Didn’t he cook us once?
Had the game of his life frying Hunter. Legitimately was the best game of his career and it wasn't close.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/pat-suemnick-1.html ↗
Didn’t he cook us once?
Had the game of his life frying Hunter. Legitimately was the best game of his career and it wasn't close.
Seems like a good vet bench big to have.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/pat-suemnick-1.html ↗
Didn’t he cook us once?
Had the game of his life frying Hunter. Legitimately was the best game of his career and it wasn't close.
Seems like a good vet bench big to have.
He's fine, especially when it sounds like he'd be the third big.
I wonder if there is any future possibility of the nba drafting players and stashing them in the ncaa with the pay for play rules in place?
It would take the NCAA changing rules. Right now if you stay in the draft your eligibility is over.
@FarmerJayhawk So one lawsuit to change the rule. lol the ncaa must have terrible legal advice. They always lose.
I suppose if that’s what the nba wanted they’d just change the draft age to something higher.
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@dylans I think they’d win that one, I don’t see the antitrust violation there. The rest of the suits seem pretty open and shut Sherman violations.
So I can have any other job I want, but can’t go into my chosen profession of basketball?!? I think someone could argue it.
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 20-21 was the Covid year so it doesn’t count either
So in theory he has 2 more year of eligibility?
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 20-21 was the Covid year so it doesn’t count either
So in theory he has 2 more year of eligibility?
I still think just one because he’s played 3 years of D1 ball that count:
20-21 - Covid, doesn’t count
21-22 - JuCo, doesn’t count(?)
22-23: WVU
23-24: WVU
24-25: OSU
So he’d need the JuCo year to not count too. Weird situation.
@FarmerJayhawk I think JUCO years dont count anymore.
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 20-21 was the Covid year so it doesn’t count either
So in theory he has 2 more year of eligibility?
I still think just one because he’s played 3 years of D1 ball that count:
20-21 - Covid, doesn’t count
21-22 - JuCo, doesn’t count(?)
22-23: WVU
23-24: WVU
24-25: OSUSo he’d need the JuCo year to not count too. Weird situation.
The JuCo seasons no longer counting towards eligibility is why Diggy is playing at Maryland next season instead of being out of eligibility which should mean Suemnick still has two more seasons of eligibility then.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 20-21 was the Covid year so it doesn’t count either
So in theory he has 2 more year of eligibility?
I still think just one because he’s played 3 years of D1 ball that count:
20-21 - Covid, doesn’t count
21-22 - JuCo, doesn’t count(?)
22-23: WVU
23-24: WVU
24-25: OSUSo he’d need the JuCo year to not count too. Weird situation.
The JuCo seasons no longer counting towards eligibility is why Diggy is playing at Maryland next season instead of being out of eligibility which should mean Suemnick still has two more seasons of eligibility then.
There’s no world where he has two left. He’s already played 3 D1 seasons that count.
Sounds like we may lead for Sarr, may hear good news there this week and then still swing big at Williams if he doesn't stay in the draft. Very interesting.
The backup big prospect Mbiya picked Oregon- blah.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Sounds like we may lead for Sarr, may hear good news there this week and then still swing big at Williams if he doesn't stay in the draft. Very interesting.
The backup big prospect Mbiya picked Oregon- blah.
Mbiya NC State
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Sounds like we may lead for Sarr, may hear good news there this week and then still swing big at Williams if he doesn't stay in the draft. Very interesting.
The backup big prospect Mbiya picked Oregon- blah.
Mbiya NC State
woops your right. Slater and Wade are a problem
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7 think i was incorrect about those guys. Jesus. All i did was ask google the ones i thought i recalled being lefties. Apparently Google really wanted to tell me “yes”. So much misinformation. Just looked at the youtube vids thx.
FYI: There's a known 'syncophancy' issue with some AI (I think gemini fits in this category, Chat GPT definitely does). They are being trained to flatter the user because A/B user testing shows that users like the AI better that is more flattering. Users use (engage with) a tool more if they like it. Therefore, the AI business boosts likeable characteristics —- known as engagement hacking.
So, sycophancy is a side-effect of engagement hacking.
As a result, AI will often tell you what it thinks you want to hear and that may have no connection to what is real or factual.
Still looking like positive buzz for KU with Dame Sarr at least going into today. Sounds like we have an offer out there that meets what he wants. We'll see if anything happens this week there. Not getting my hopes up here but sure would be a big time add.
The other school own the pike I guess thought they had to out do what failure they did last yr,- - The reported NIL for Hawkins last year was two million--- this year for the international kid they got is they are paying him two point five million, some will never learn
Backup big potential Patrick Suemnick visited KU today. Wait and see mode now with him
@BeddieKU23 I had seen where KU had a big guy visiting today, but then I also saw where a big guy had committed to Oregon so I thought we had missed out. Where is this guy from
John Buggs is a name to monitor.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Backup big potential Patrick Suemnick visited KU today. Wait and see mode now with him
This is sounding like it's done
@BShark said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Backup big potential Patrick Suemnick visited KU today. Wait and see mode now with him
This is sounding like it's done
Vet cheap backup big. No complaints from me
6’8” 225lb limited skill forward? The bigs room is pretty weak I’d hate to have to give him too many (any important) minutes. He’d be good as a deep bench guy for practice and such.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@dylans we just spent 2 seasons giving 30 mpg to a “defense optional” center. Hopefully we at least get consistent effort from this kid?
Scored 20 on that defense optional center in Morgantown 2 seasons ago.
Dame Sarr visit happening starting tonight, confirmed by Bossi. Sounds like we are in a very good spot getting that first visit.
Closing time
@dylans said in The portal.:
6’8” 225lb limited skill forward? The bigs room is pretty weak I’d hate to have to give him too many (any important) minutes. He’d be good as a deep bench guy for practice and such.
Won't disagree it's not a loaded room. Flory will improve a lot this offseason I believe. Tiller has skill but obviously hasn't played in a while. I think the room needs another body. History says a big will get injured and test the depth of that room. I'd feel so much better about this team with a 4th big on the roster.
@BShark said in The portal.:
John Buggs is a name to monitor.
Assuming that is the 13th guy spot? Does nothing good besides shoot the 3. Having a hard time finding just how many schools he's been to, transferred 3 times since 23, think its 5 schools including Juco, wow. 68-99 made shots were from 3. Literally doesn't do a single other thing at average level. Crazy.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 I had seen where KU had a big guy visiting today, but then I also saw where a big guy had committed to Oregon so I thought we had missed out. Where is this guy from
Former West Virginia and Oklahoma St role player. Veteran, used to playing the conference and knows his role.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Dame Sarr visit happening starting tonight, confirmed by Bossi. Sounds like we are in a very good spot getting that first visit.
Closing time
I think they land the plane. Will be interesting to see how he transitions to college game.
@BeddieKU23 ya seen that since , sure doesn't look like he is going to provide much if anything offensively, just going to use him for foul protection looks like- if he comes
@BeddieKU23 I seen today where it sure looks like a KU/Oregon battle they said in the article.- -Your right we need to close him out before he leaves campus.
Read where we had put an offer out that he was agreeable to, now letting him see the Campus, get a feel of things meet team mattes and such hopeful we can get this done. Time for Bill and the staff to do some magic
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BShark said in The portal.:
John Buggs is a name to monitor.
Assuming that is the 13th guy spot? Does nothing good besides shoot the 3. Having a hard time finding just how many schools he's been to, transferred 3 times since 23, think its 5 schools including Juco, wow. 68-99 made shots were from 3. Literally doesn't do a single other thing at average level. Crazy.
Yeah JCL type player. In his own words he said he doesn't care what role/minutes he gets. Wants to be on a winning team and get paid (even end of bench KU money is better than the places he has been).
Still working to see how legit this is from KU's side.
Rumors going around we landed Sarr, can anyone confirm?
Waiting to hear on that as well
Man this is a big time add if it gets done. I'm impressed and this is a total ceiling lift to the team
Just watched a pod cast that saying Crystal Ball starting to roll in, don't ask me where I haven't seen but being said-- -several outlets predicting so sounding really good. They said since the final ranking came in Sarr is like a five star , probable one and done
They were saying they can't see why he wouldn't.- --Fit is good - -role is good-- - - money is good what more would you want /
Question was asked where would you rank the Combo of Peterson & Sarr? -they ended up behind Houston and another in 3rd position- --what you think?
Then what about this-- think about this where would you put- -- Peterson-- - Sarr -- - & Bidunga ?- - mmmm man makes the mouth water a tiny bit lol-- -think about those three for starters. -Then you put key role players to fill in White- - - Dawson. Then you just got the need for back up big , and I think if Tille is healthy he would suffice for sure was ranked a five star and # 21 in the Nation according to 147 he doesn't need to be some super stuf , but when you combine the two of Bidunga AND Tille we would be fine
@BeddieKU23 would surprise me if it doesn't happen from what I've heard today
Sarr would really help round out the roster. Would like a shooter as well to help keep teams from packing the paint.
Wish it was Mayo coming back. Unfinished business.
Still waiting re: eligibility rules?
Sarr was a +40% 3 pt shooter this yr so promise there
@BeddieKU23 Miss the days when Dick was hanging out on the wing making the net wet. Splash (mostly for the jokes if I’m being honest.)
Saw an article online today saying "Dame Sarr is turning into AJ Storr". If we land him I sure hope that isn't true. If someone else lands him, then fine.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
Saw an article online today saying "Dame Sarr is turning into AJ Storr". If we land him I sure hope that isn't true. If someone else lands him, then fine.
It was from Sportskeeda which is a trash site and they were quoting a commenter, not even the writer's own thoughts. They are bottom of the barrel for clickbait trash coverage of sports.
Supposedly an Oregon insider put in a crystal ball pick for Kansas
Wouldn't count on Sarr. Moving on
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Wouldn't count on Sarr. Moving on
Frown face emoji…
Who else are we targeting?
@BeddieKU23 Man I give up , this whole Season and now portal has been one big shit show- -beyond frustrating- I can't figure out why this staff can't close, We are going to be in some serious trouble if this trend continues - -Sounds like he is headed to Duke , like they really need him my ass.
We left with minor league scraps.
@SlimShaddy54 If there's still more changes to the staff as reported, that's going to be a factor.
Man. Tough one.
Swain says KU likes its chances still. There’s a ways to go yet.
@Texas-Hawk-10 - positive or negative factor?
For 1 year….Williams >>> Sarr
I’ll take either but prefer the Summer Bill massive pickup
@kuballin10 Williams to the NBA D-league. Sarr to Duke.
@Gorilla72 Uncertainty on a coaching staff is never a positive when trying to secure future players. Players want to know who they are playing for. If Self is going to make other coaching staff changes, those need to be made ASAP so other recruits know who will be here to coach and develop them.
I could be wrong but the contingency plans for wings has been disappointing. It was fairly obvious our wings were leaving after the season. Then we ran off Passmore as well now we just have Tre White and Samis I guess?
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
I could be wrong but the contingency plans for wings has been disappointing. It was fairly obvious our wings were leaving after the season. Then we ran off Passmore as well now we just have Tre White and Samis I guess?
If Samis sees the floor just cancel the season. I think KU is in a really good spot with Darrion still...
They just have to get one of Darrion or Sarr. Hopefully he looks awful in the combine this week
@TYOHawk There's going to be plenty of talent withdrawing from the draft over the next month or so. Right now is a slow period because of waiting for players to withdraw after not receiving Combine invites and another wave after the Combine when players don't get the feedback they want. That's the time period Self landed Remy Martin and Kevin McCullar
@Jhawk69 Hell if Williams went D league he might as ewll come to KU and probably make more in NIL money then on a D league contract.- - In D league chances are make less money- -- -play fewer minutes , you have NO idea how long your going to Woller in D league--- Hell you may NEVER make it to an NBA roster.
If that's his option better coming to KU work on his game ==get more floor minutes to do just that, develop more of a game fine tune things and might even be drafted higher in the draft then if he enters now.
If it comes down to D league or back to College for another year-- -it's a no brainer
Got a question , have we secured any kind of a commit from any back up five man for Flory yet ?- - I mean I know everybody worried about getting a wing like Sarr which I understand but I mean STILL last I knew we couldn't even get a verbal commit from a walk on back up Big to commit to us from Okie St -- -THAT'S NOT GOOD I realize maybe they didn't push or try that hard but bottom line is we better be getting some help there also I mean to complete this roster.- -We need solid Wings- -BUT don't think we are really givin enough importance of getting a quality back up five eother
Just got off TOS ( the phog )- -A poster said the Jay Hawk Slant a of 3:40 this afternoon he put in a prediction that Coach Bill Self was going to be adding to his roster.--- Didn't say who it was , or when but putting in a prediction. - - -So who is it ?
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Just got off TOS ( the phog )- -A poster said the Jay Hawk Slant a of 3:40 this afternoon he put in a prediction that Coach Bill Self was going to be adding to his roster.--- Didn't say who it was , or when but putting in a prediction. - - -So who is it ?
Sarr
@SlimShaddy54 Quite frankly, this season it should be Bryson Tiller. Tiller has less shooting range than KJ so his best fit should be as a back up 5 this season. He's got a 7-3 wingspan which makes up for him being 6-9 in the paint.
If Self plays Flory and Tiller together, it's going to be many of the same issues on offense with KJ at the 4, but probably worse because Tiller doesn't have the handles KJ did on the perimeter.
Tiller and Calderon so little thought of that even with DP, KU's recruiting class isn't in 247's top 25 classes. Nor is our portal class as of now...
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
Tiller and Calderon so little thought of that even with DP, KU's recruiting class isn't in 247's top 25 classes. Nor is our portal class as of now...
Tiller reclassified into 2024 when he enrolled at KU early and isn't part of KU's 2025 class. It's only Peterson and Calderon.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Hopefully he doesn't repeat that. I loved KJ a lot of grit -- -hustle but just no shot at all
Swain is tracking info he's heard/been given that Sarr may make a decision early this week but this one seems to be still up in the air. Legit info seems to be hard to get. If he did, would seem positive as he's only visited KU and KU can offer him what he wants NIL wise.
The looming giant is Duke, if Cedric Coward stays in the draft, would they push for Sarr? If they did it sounds like KU would not be competitive enough on NIL. It sounds like Duke's war chest is deep and can outbid anyone apparently. There would be no way to prove that unless that scenario happened. Duke did get back Evans who pulled out of the draft yesterday- Similar position and skill to Sarr. Perhaps that's enough to keep them from getting into this.
Darion Williams is still in play; the combine is this week and something to monitor.
Swain confirming once again he expects news today/tomorrow.
I see some reporting that Sarr has committed to KU! Hope it’s true.
They jumped the gun a bit.
Things are looking good his will announce soon
what a whirlwind this all this.
Assuming this is a done deal, it looks like this group is going to be running a 4-out system.
Still don't know who starts. I would imagine you have DP, Sarr, White and Flory pretty locked in. The 5th starter is a competition between Elmarko/Council/Dawson.
I have a feeling Council ends up taking that spot.
@MR11 said in The portal.:
@Kcmatt7 End of season rotation, I would agree with you. Early in the season, I would put Sarr in the 2nd group for competing for the 2 open starting spots.
Yea, we’re going to need a second ball handler in the lineup. Scouting reports say Sarr is a little sloppy with the ball
Sarr picked the good guys. Yayy
Did id miss something ?-- -Hasa Sarr committed to us or is it still rumor ?
I did see off 147 sports that at 12:57 this afternoon that Travis Brenham of 247 put a CB for Sarr to KU rating of a 7 which is considered high. All I know is I hope it does work out this way
@BeddieKU23 Still haven't seen anything official fwiw
Just read an article from Athlon sports. Talking about how Duke was losing a big time elite international player in the portal. Talked about how Duke at one time had been considered a serious player for the kid Dame Sarr in a four School battle.- -Duke , KU , Oregon , & Illinois.
Talked about how things had cooled off considerably since like mid April and insiders of Duke said they would be quite surprised if he did end up there, as Sarr was trending hard towards KU- - Eric Bossi was also talking about KU saying things were looking very positive for Kansas Announcement should be coming soon. KU in great shape.
Talking about Sarr . they said whoever lands him will be getting an NBA level athlete very skilled and serious upside. The league he played isn is probably the best league outside the NBA - -sounds promising to me.
Everything that I have seen and looked at is pointing towards us even though he hasn't announced nothing yet
We'll be Sarry if we don't get this kid.
The longer this drags out the more Duke is going to slither into this recruitment
@Jhawk69 According to Bossi-- - Duke insiders-- and the 247 guy , KU is n great shape Saying Duke had really cooled off since mid April, and KU was the team to beat and heavy lean .Duke insiders saying they would be more then surprised if he ended up in Durham, Especially with Evans returning to Duke
Swain still reporting good things. He knows the decision is made but has to respect til its announced
@BeddieKU23 So if he is still reporting good things but just can't say anything- - I get that and understand it and appreciate, just wondering if you know and made you final decision then why to wait to announce drag things out. Unless tidying up the details on legal work of how much.
It will be good to be on the “mostly complete” side of roster construction after this one
all is well with sarr and ku his just taking his time
@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in The portal.:
all is well with sarr and ku his just taking his time
Rumor is tomorrow is the day
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
It will be good to be on the “mostly complete” side of roster construction after this one
Four more to go!
Bring on a competent big, please.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
@JAYHAWKFAN214 said in The portal.:
all is well with sarr and ku his just taking his time
Rumor is tomorrow is the day
Likely
This kid is sure taking his time. Doesn't he know that adults all across America need him to make his decision NOW? Like how rude. :)
@wissox said in The portal.:
This kid is sure taking his time. Doesn't he know that adults all across America need him to make his decision NOW? Like how rude. :)
Totally agree
Sounds like Duke.
@BShark said in The portal.:
Sounds like Duke.
Recruiting in this era is like twice as excruciating.
When he didn’t announce the other day when Vernon and others put the radar out. That was a sign..
ha, my original take on moving on seems to have come full circle again.
don't know why i bothered but a lesson learned
I genuinely don’t understand how the staff has known they were essentially losing all their wings since January and the only plan they had in motion was Tre White.
@kuballin10 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk And staff went opposite like they always do in over correcting. Griffin a shooter to now White who shot his career best 32% last year
Just get Williams and we will be good. I’d rather have Williams anyways as I’ve said
I genuinely don’t think he’s withdrawing from the draft. They went on for months end on how they had their most talented recruit…
Well he’s gonna need some help.
So did the kid sign with Duke?
Was pissed and then realized we got Darryn Peterson and Flory. I’m riding with my guys
@kuballin10 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk And staff went opposite like they always do in over correcting. Griffin a shooter to now White who shot his career best 32% last year
Just get Williams and we will be good. I’d rather have Williams anyways as I’ve said
I think that is reasonable given he is a proven player in college.
@BShark said in The portal.:
@kuballin10 said in The portal.:
@TYOHawk And staff went opposite like they always do in over correcting. Griffin a shooter to now White who shot his career best 32% last year
Just get Williams and we will be good. I’d rather have Williams anyways as I’ve said
I think that is reasonable given he is a proven player in college.
I mean, from what you heard is it a done deal with Sarr, or just merely rumors to drum up hype/news?
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
Was pissed and then realized we got Darryn Peterson and Flory. I’m riding with my guys
Yea, I’m sure somebody else will pop up.
The hard part is waiting!
@PharmacyHawk Thanks, but that's why I rarely read the recruiting news, just like I don't watch important game preview shows because 5 dudes pick one team and then the other one wins.
Let's just hope that Dame Sarr will give Duke the same back and forth he's given to KU, and flop back to us!
@rockchalkjayhawk The only way he would do that is if KU found another million dollars. If any of you are billionaires maybe you could even things up
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk The only way he would do that is if KU found another million dollars. If any of you are billionaires maybe you could even things up
Good gravy. Another mil? Wow. Let me look in the couch cushions. brb.
Would rather go after Jamir Watkins than negotiate with this kid.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
Would rather go after Jamir Watkins than negotiate with this kid.
Heard some things on why he is still available... Will say...hard pass.
2 :skier: vibes
Let’s Boogie
I'd be totally down with Boogie on the roster. exciting player.
He doesn’t make sense to me for this roster.
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
He doesn’t make sense to me for this roster.
Jeez. Picky. He makes sense on ANY roster.
Florida lean?
@TYOHawk Any reason for thinking that? I've seen loose reporting that he wants to stay in the draft honestly nothing that would make me believe it is a sure thing.
He is being mocked as a late 2nd round pick so unless he splashes at the combine or a bunch of prospects ahead of him drop out, he is slated to be making more money next year coming back to college. Maybe he is just ready to be done with college and bet on himself, but he has entertained offers to transfers which makes me think that isn't the case.
BREAKING NEWS: Sarr goes KU after drgnslayr donates nipple pinchers!
But seriously, we’ve been down this path before. I remember when we lost Zion to Duke and the world ended. We went on to eventually winning another nattie while Duke has done nothing but disappoint fans with all-star rosters who can’t finish.
At some point I step back and leave it to the basketball Gods to influence the eventual outcomes and go to bed happy knowing we’ll be okay and we are scheduled for another nattie some day soon… still ahead of Duke. Hahaha. They looked so good this year! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@drgnslayr And somehow KU got punished for Zion’s recruitment, but Duke was of course completely in the clear.
Well with Sarr to Duke (anything but official atm) I guess we just hope Williams continues to do poorly at the combine, lol? His measurements/first game were not very good.
EDIT: I still really want the guy. He was absolutely fantastic last year.
No info but I wouldn’t bank on him either.
@CasterTroy said in The portal.:
https://kansas.rivals.com/news/oak-park-guard-corbin-allen-gives-the-nod-to-bill-self-kansas ↗
This is not a transfer portal guy this person will be a freshman
So Dame Sarr coming to KU is contingent upon Coward not going pro right? When do we anticipate knowing whether Coward will go to Duke or NBA?
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
So Dame Sarr coming to KU is contingent upon Coward not going pro right? When do we anticipate knowing whether Coward will go to Duke or NBA?
I think the deadline to withdraw is June 15? So, other month of potential agony. :(
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
So Dame Sarr coming to KU is contingent upon Coward not going pro right? When do we anticipate knowing whether Coward will go to Duke or NBA?
If true, that is effed up - we get Duke's leftovers??? This process begs the question I posed much earlier in this thread. What is plan B if the high reward - high risk gamble of playing the draft withdrawal waiting game doesn't play out??? Why not just focus on getting a complete starting line-up committed much earlier in the process, like most other top tier teams have done???
If we don't get Sarr or Williams, what then? I like the guys we have, but its not close to a contending starting lineup now - we have no size, bulk or shooters on the roster now. I get trying to be smarter about good fits, and don't have any problem with adding Council, Dawson and White, but we are at least one starter short right now, with no front court size or depth...
Very unlikely Cedric Coward withdraws. Late 1st to early 2nd round projections (25-35) pretty much across the board. Players in that range rarely withdraw.
I think we are more realistically waiting on Darrion Williams and Boogie Fland who are both at best mid 2nd picks with Williams not being drafted in several mocks.
Sarr absolutely has a higher long term ceiling over Darrion Williams, but Williams is the better player right now and if this is Self's last season, Williams is the better option for one season.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/duke-commit-cedric-coward-affirms-222145916.html ↗
Coward doesn’t sound too interested in college ball.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I’d be thrilled to land Williams and Fland. Like you said Williams is better now. We need quality experience to go along with DP.
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I’d be thrilled to land Williams and Fland. Like you said Williams is better now. We need quality experience to go along with DP.
Heck yeah. That’s one of the best case scenarios!!!
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 I’d be thrilled to land Williams and Fland. Like you said Williams is better now. We need quality experience to go along with DP.
KU won't get both, but those are the two big names currently attached to KU. Williams is far more likely than Fland.
@Texas-Hawk-10 Yes. I see Williams as a good possibility. Not sure we are a real consideration for Fland. I expect him to stay in the SEC.
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 Yes. I see Williams as a good possibility. Not sure we are a real consideration for Fland. I expect him to stay in the SEC.
We were also expected to land Sarr as well and we saw how that worked out. I also agree that Fland is likely headed to Florida, but until everything is settled, KU has also been linked as a possible landing spot should his plans at Florida fall through for whatever reason.
Looks like Dame Sarr is on the Duke campus today.
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@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
Looks like Dame Sarr is on the Duke campus today.
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Boo
Fland to Florida
Williams out of the Draft
KU have a real shot at Williams?
I realize it's happened before, but I personally don't care to have other Big 12 conference guys on the roster. weird.
Seems like a real shot but definitely going to be competition for him. Missing Sarr might end up a blessing if this frees up budget and lets us land Williams.
Agreed that interconference transfers aren't my favorite but with conferences so large now, you are ignoring a large portion of the transfer pool by not looking at them.
Williams is on campus today.
Wow. that was fast! :)
🙏💙❤️
Im a fan of Texas Tech transfers. Not Texas transfers (i realize theyre gone).
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Im a fan of Texas Tech transfers. Not Texas transfers (i realize theyre gone).
Luke Axtell?
@rockchalkjayhawk before my time. Was he a fan fave?
I was referring to Mccullar and Arterio Morris
I thought Morris was Texas.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk before my time. Was he a fan fave?
I was referring to Mccullar and Arterio Morris
Just having a little fun, youngin.
I knew the guys you were thinking about :)
Luke was a coulda, woulda, shoulda fan fav.
@Crimsonorblue22 yeah im saying i like texas tech transfers, not texas.
Give me Williams please and I'll return all my nipple clamps I bought during the Sarr fiasco.
@PharmacyHawk You can’t return them if they’ve been used.
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@patoh3 said in The portal.:
@PharmacyHawk You can’t return them if they’ve been used.
I mean honestly, they should be worth more if they are game worn imho.
^^
@PharmacyHawk probably depends on who wore them…
@HoraceZontal And where.
I'm sitting on my roof and not coming down until Self gets Williams to Lawrence. My boss will understand. My wife may not.
I think we pen in Williams today! I'm feeling the love!
@drgnslayr hope so. Wissox is getting cold!
@approxinfinity oops
@ImmunoHawk Or thirsty!
@drgnslayr Dreary weather all week, no sunsets!
@ImmunoHawk Ridiculous. Keep looking at calendar saying end of may and thermometer doesn't match. I've got a spectacular front porch that should be useful by this time of year and just can't sit out there yet.
So Williams left town without signing…. Aargh!
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
So Williams left town without signing…. Aargh!
Bidding war with NC State. We need a stronger ass offer than them.
@ImmunoHawk Same in Chicago. Been awful, but I saw International Falls was 95 the other day! I have a daughter in Rochester by the way.
Christ almighty. We had better have the funds to outbid NC State
@wissox @ImmunoHawk Same here about not being able to sit outside!
Of course, a TEEENSY bit different... 94 here in Hilton Head, SC, this week.
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
Christ almighty. We had better have the funds to outbid NC State
Will Wade as the new coach and they were trying to flip Peterson. They got some money so hopefully KU has enough to match because Williams is enough to make KU into a legit Big 12 contender and potentially more than that.
We might be a pretty average team next year man if we don’t find a considerable upgrade at the 3…
Well where i live we have had 24 straight weekends or rain or snow. Haven't had a dry recorded weekend since November. Its frustrating beyond words really. We have had at least a full week of weather in the 50's and today low 40s with no end in sight until Monday. Had to turn on the heat again. My son last night had a baseball game in 47 degree weather with 15-20 mph wind gusts..
@Texas-Hawk-10 Agreed, safe money is still on Houston as the more proven commodity to win the league, but add Williams and the potential is there for this KU team to be better.
Dang! Williams to NC state
20-11 type of team. Just enjoy the Peterson highlights
Lol
Eff
Hope they got some other guys in the pipeline.
Dame Sarr and Darrion Williams bad news on the same day! Hosed.
We short on cash?
I'm gonna take some joy from the Vaughn coaching news as long as i can.
Starting to look like we have a reality hitting that's uncomfortable
This is kind of depressing, but it is just sports. I mean weather. I mean both, sports and weather depressing at the same time is too much. :)
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Starting to look like we have a reality hitting that's uncomfortable
I mean, we signed three guys right out of the gate. That was positive. They seem like good contributors, but maybe not superstars. Who knows how much KU spent. DP and Flory I assume were high dollar.
We don’t really know how Self views them. Starters? Bench guys?
Think about some of the teams we lost to last season. Probably not rosters of well known names with big NIL salaries.
My point? Not really worried. Gems still available.
Web writing gets sadder by the day…
Darrion Williams, a former star for the Texas Tech Red Raiders, had reportedly narrowed down the search for his next program to the Kansas State Jayhawks and the NC State Wolfpack. Apparently, Self's sales pitch wasn't good enough to bring Williams to Lawrence.
@rockchalkjayhawk well, I wouldn’t want to play for them either
@rockchalkjayhawk Who are the available gems???
All 3 transfers are in line to start.
Flory and DP take up a significant portion of NIL.
We clearly are not a top dog NIL team this year. Proof's in the pudding with Sarr and Williams among others.
We are short a starter, a backup big at minimum.
IMO this offseason has been frustrating and disappointing.
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk Who are the available gems???
I’m sure somebody in here would fit the bill.
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferportaltop/?status=available ↗
Word on the street is that we are pining for a couple of Croatians.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
All 3 transfers are in line to start.
Flory and DP take up a significant portion of NIL.
We clearly are not a top dog NIL team this year. Proof's in the pudding with Sarr and Williams among others.
We are short a starter, a backup big at minimum.
IMO this offseason has been frustrating and disappointing.
Yea, sure feels that way. But, we still signed the No. 1-ish recruit, and resigned Flory. I guess my hope is that with a thousand guys still in the portal, somebody should be a fit.
The opposing theory is that Kansas is losing its luster. That’s hard to stomach after decades of success.
I like the 3 guys we got but I don't see any of them being DP's #2 and that's what we are missing to really compete next year. Williams is a potential All-American candidate next year, Sarr has an extremely high ceiling and is a draft prospect. You're almost assuredly getting a less talented player with what's left which is a hard pill to swallow.
I'm not going to say we can't find someone of that caliber, but the pool is very shallow for options now. The 3 transfers are not really NBA prospects and I'm not sure what else is out there that has that kind of ceiling. I know they are looking at the international pool of players and perhaps that's the avenue they need to push on now that they missed on their top 2 targets.
There are some issues behind the scenes that seem to have hit full circle this offseason.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk Who are the available gems???
I’m sure somebody in here would fit the bill.
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferportaltop/?status=available ↗
Uh - only 5 of the top 150 are uncommitted - Luis, Watkins, and Claude, all of whom would be expensive and have issues, and two former Jayhawks. Unless there is someone hanging out overseas, we simply don't have a starting caliber roster right now... DP, Flory, White, Council and Dawson/Jackson? I expect those guys can defend the perimeter and switches, but no length and size. No depth. When Flory gets in foul trouble, which he will, what then? Tiller? Is White really a 4? Who subs at that slot?
As I noted earlier in this thread, while almost everyone else was locking up a starting roster early, we were putting all our eggs in a small, post-tryout basket...
@rockchalkjayhawk i think its a lot of things, no binary answer. I would be good with fielding a solid but not spectacular roster with a couple stars. We have had success in the past with lean rosters.
What i dont want is for us to grab guys expected to contribute that repeatedly fall on their face despite getting minutes. So picking prudently for additional role players is still of paramount importance.
Work ethic. Work ethic. Work ethic.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk i think its a lot of things, no binary answer. I would be good with fielding a solid but not spectacular roster with a couple stars. We have had success in the past with lean rosters.
What i dont want is for us to grab guys expected to contribute that repeatedly fall on their face despite getting minutes. So picking prudently for additional role players is still of paramount importance.
Work ethic. Work ethic. Work ethic.
That's kinda the thing, right? Is Self piecing together a roster of maybe lesser-named players, but players he thinks will fit better and make KU a better team than last year? He didn't hit it out of the park with the bigger names we had last year.
100% agree we still need multiple players to make this roster work. So until we see the complete roster, i'm just doing my best to keep my head above the fray.
Who knows, maybe he's got a grand plan we're not seeing :) ha
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
There are some issues behind the scenes that seem to have hit full circle this offseason.
i was hoping with the massive roster purge that we could put the "issues behind the scenes" actually behind us this offseason. Maybe not yet? what now??
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk Who are the available gems???
I’m sure somebody in here would fit the bill.
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferportaltop/?status=available ↗
Uh - only 5 of the top 150 are uncommitted - Luis, Watkins, and Claude, all of whom would be expensive and who have issues, and two former Jayhawks. Unless there is someone hanging out overseas, we simply don't have a starting caliber roster right now... DP, Flory, White, Council and Dawson/Jackson? I expect those guys can defend the perimeter and switches, but no length and size. No depth. When Flory gets in foul trouble, which he will, what then? Tiller? Is White really a 4? Who subs at that slot?
As I noted earlier in this thread, while almost everyone else was locking up a starting roster early, we were putting all our eggs in a small, post-tryout basket...
yea, no argument from me. Just hoping Self has a plan.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
I like the 3 guys we got but I don't see any of them being DP's #2 and that's what we are missing to really compete next year. Williams is a potential All-American candidate next year, Sarr has an extremely high ceiling and is a draft prospect. You're almost assuredly getting a less talented player with what's left which is a hard pill to swallow.
I'm not going to say we can't find someone of that caliber, but the pool is very shallow for options now. The 3 transfers are not really NBA prospects and I'm not sure what else is out there that has that kind of ceiling. I know they are looking at the international pool of players and perhaps that's the avenue they need to push on now that they missed on their top 2 targets.
There are some issues behind the scenes that seem to have hit full circle this offseason.
OH I think those issues you were referring to cost us more then people even know , I think we have lost some of the luster , were not that bright new penny anymore.
It's prety much you have the NIL money to toss around then it's ll gravy----if not you best find some , and find some soon. It's just a meat market and one huge bidding war. Plus like w said I think the internal issues have come and kicked us right square in the you know what
I’m thinking we need to go after endowment contributors to invest in NIL. Does this make sense? NIL is still relatively new… but I’m thinking KU alumni are happy to divide their endowment contributions to split into education and sports.
And who do we have building NIL private deals? Another part of the job of a GM?
Maybe Self could host dinners for crypto purchasers.
Heard today that Self is meeting some resistance, combination of things-- like we just don't have that much money left----Williams and /Sar both were in the three Millon plus rang, just flat got outbid by Wade and /NC State, w were running 300- - -500 thousand short on these.
Hear trying to hit out same donors running into losing fatigue, kinda like look you came last yr for Griffen and Storr and didn't produce.-- Now your going to have to pay for your mistakes by winning more and us paying less, -- RERSULTS boys and girls these big time donors are wanting to see results for all the money they are investing.-- - Then you got the timing of these donors being hit up for donations for the foot ball Stadium , just bad timing. A lot to is the School has lost some it's luster that it use to have, were in a hard spot right no
STILL needing like three players a back up big, and at least a legit wing
Adidas flagship institution huh? Pony up big boys. Nike doesn’t seem to have a cash flow issue when it comes to directing recruits.
@dylans said in The portal.:
Adidas flagship institution huh? Pony up big boys. Nike doesn’t seem to have a cash flow issue when it comes to directing recruits.
NC State is also Adidas.
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
Heard today that Self is meeting some resistance, combination of things-- like we just don't have that much money left----Williams and /Sar both were in the three Millon plus rang, just flat got outbid by Wade and /NC State, w were running 300- - -500 thousand short on these.
Hear trying to hit out same donors running into losing fatigue, kinda like look you came last yr for Griffen and Storr and didn't produce.-- Now your going to have to pay for your mistakes by winning more and us paying less, -- RERSULTS boys and girls these big time donors are wanting to see results for all the money they are investing.-- - Then you got the timing of these donors being hit up for donations for the foot ball Stadium , just bad timing. A lot to is the School has lost some it's luster that it use to have, were in a hard spot right no
STILL needing like three players a back up big, and at least a legit wing
Self has no one to blame but himself.
@TYOHawk He didn’t treat guys the same and try to elevate the entire team. Valued crappy players with major holes.
The game now is how you handle transfers and the sign of a great coach is they come to your program and take a step forward. In our case, the two biggest ones last year went quite a bit backward and players see this stuff and talk at summer camps, nba combine ect
Self begging for mone…they will push him out much like donors have done at other schools.
He wrote checks with his mouth these last two seasons that he couldn’t cash.
What’s worse is he had jr/sr/5th yr guys these last two years and we still have only gotten out of the rd of 32 once since 2018. So the whole “he can only succeed with 3-4 year guys” was a complete farce with the unstoppable big 3 he rolled out there
Staff doesn’t guard the three or have a clue and Bill just shakes his head but doesn’t make adjustments (ie Hunter hedging for 24 straight months unsuccessfully or D2 being the guy to always have the ball in his hands).
Those who blame Self may think themselves optimists and agents of change, especially with Vaughn in the wings.
Maybe prosperity is just around the corner.
Passmore ended up at Maryland
Will there be more opportunity to showcase, NIL money, and growth opportunity for Passmore at Maryland than at KU this year?
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Will there be more opportunity to showcase, NIL money, and growth opportunity for Passmore at Maryland than at KU this year?
Meh, doesn’t matter really. Self clearly cleaned house to part ways with whatever bad vibes remained. Can’t wait to read about last season in somebody’s book in 20 years.
@rockchalkjayhawk Pretty sure Passmore instigated the break up.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk Pretty sure Passmore instigated the break up.
Either way too bad. I liked his athleticism. He looked very much like a multi-year player. He hadn't showed us any game yet. It's not easy being a fan these days. Hard to root for greedy f**ks with no loyalty to the program.
@rockchalkjayhawk eh. That seems a tad harsh, but ok. I am disappointed he left as well.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk eh. That seems a tad harsh, but ok. I am disappointed he left as well.
When i said greedy Fs, that was a broad statement about the state of college hoops, not so much about Passmore specifically. :)
@rockchalkjayhawk yeah, i get it. I also think with a different coach and roster construction last year, Passmore would have stuck around.
Count me as one of the optimists that assumes that someone like Jacque Vaughn might retain and develop players better than Bill Self at this stage in their respective careers, with the state of college basketball as it is.
All in on Jacque!
Back to the portal...
Anybody hearing a portal name or two we're focusing on? i'm not seeing anything.
Dang, still up here on this roof. I shoulda thought this through a little better according to my wife.
does anyone else feel KU has lost some of it's edge ?-- Opposing teams not as of in awe, Not finishing in recruiting ?- -
This is one big reason I feel the timing of Norm ad Jacque being an add is a major bonus. New blood was needed , a point about Jacque is one that didn't play under Coach Self , so might be as apt to be sub servient , might be able to add new ideas , who knows his recruiting may become a plus , little younger and for recruits who don't know Jacque-- just point to the rafters and say THAT was me here at the University of KU.
Just feel we needed an injection, maybe not done, might be more change in staff- - New Blood--- New ideas. Just trying to get by with influencing a recruit saying your representing Ku , isn't cutting it anymore , times have changed , it's a whole different ball game now.
Who else thinks that this off Season has to be one of the most discouraging in recent history, This upcoming Season could be a long year, and it very easily could be Bill' last.
To many misses in the portal, don't think Coach still hasn't figured out this whole portal thing - not balance between efficient Scorers/studs -- -ga,e changes - & Fit.- - Missing on Sarr-- - - Missing on Williams - - Not being able to get Tyran to re-classify-- -to name three off the top, not even sure how many others we haven't even heard about that didn't materialize -- Holy heck were not even sure if we could even pull up/add on a umm let's be nice a very limited back up at the five from OSU to come---- WOW now that's not good , so yes adding Jacque for sure isn't hurting the cause
@SlimShaddy54 It has been frustrating. I think most of our recruiting issues are financial. The AD is below water because it's just stretched too thin. The football stadium is probably our biggest challenge right now.
I feel certain that we will need structural changes in our basketball program. The extent of it may not be possible while Bill is coach. I'm not positive he is sold on hiring a GM (for example). It sure seems like one of the missing pieces in our program now.
I also feel like we need new blood and likely younger blood in the program. I think we now are seen as an "old school" operation. Duke is a school I despise but I think we would do very well to model many of the needed changes to what Duke is doing.
Can't make a post like this without complaining about our ability to develop players. The closest example I have to compare us with is Houston.
@drgnslayr We've fallen well behind Houston - they've dominated the conference the past two years and it doesn't look like that will change. Outside of the conference, look at what UF has done this offseason - kept its entire front court - Condon, Hauch, Chinleyu, and Handlogten. Lost Clayton, Martin and Richard, but arguably now has an even stronger backcourt adding Fland, Lee and AJ Brown in the portal. Plus two top 4-5 star incoming freshmen. As of now, its hard to argue that we have a line-up that is even close to that level...
I wonder if having DP on the roster is scaring off top transfers?
He’s gonna dominate the ball.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
I wonder if having DP on the roster is scaring off top transfers?
He’s gonna dominate the ball.
Money is more of an issue than anything I believe.
For some perspective. If accurate, sure seems a lot less than what’s been tossed around.
TOP 5 NIL SPENDING THIS OFFSEASON
Per College Sports Network
Indiana — $10.1M
USC — $9.9M
Iowa — $9M
Michigan — $8.9M
Kentucky — $8.8M
I've seen that some Donors might have some buyers fatigue after the past couple NIL driven portal cycles. There hasn't been a great return on investment, just look at the Storr fiasco. Hard to keep getting them to buy-in by giving more and more when the results don't match the price.
They definitely found some sticker shock this offseason with some of the early portal guys they targeted, and it sounds like they weren't willing to bite on being the highest bidder in some of those either.
There's also some risks in play with having Peterson. You can't pay guys that were looking for 2+ mil and not expect Peterson's camp to up the price he's getting as the crown jewel of the team. Peterson and Flory are going to account for 50% or more of the pool of funds.
I think you hit the nail on the head on other contributing factors- GM, Football stadium. The lack of success in Football over the years does have an impact ($ wise), the Big-12 for football took a big nose-dive in reputation losing Texas and OU as well. Vaughn being added to the staff was partly, if not driven by donors wish for changes. There's potentially more changes still coming.
I also think there's some negative recruiting going on against KU when it comes to Portal guys (lack of success this past year) and with Self at the end of his career.
It's really an adapt or die atmosphere right now. They are still adapting it looks
Yeah DP would scare off PG transfers but we aren't really going for any and if you are an off ball player you should want to play with him as he will draw a lot of defensive attention.
Can definitely can see our NIL looking a lot healthier once we are a good deal past the football stadium funding drive. Honestly, football doing well indirectly hurts the basketball team too as they are pulling NIL funding from the same sources. I don't think the impact is that notable though if we hadn't had 3 seasons in a row of underperformance especially with regards to transfers.
Also think the big NIL players are looking for that feature role and KU isn't offering that with Peterson. Guess it's hard to find Robin's these days.
The latest is they are looking at International Players and there's very little reliable info to provide on a regular basis for them vs US transfer or HS prospects.
Not political...just a question on procedures. Visas for international college students are held up currently as the State Dept reviews social media (hasn't said for what). Could that be putting a hold on announcing any recruiting efforts?
@mayjay said in The portal.:
Not political...just a question on procedures. Visas for international college students are held up currently as the State Dept reviews social media (hasn't said for what). Could that be putting a hold on announcing any recruiting efforts?
International recruiting just can't be working well in this climate. I'd focus more on US players so not to complicate matters. Can't be easy.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@mayjay said in The portal.:
Not political...just a question on procedures. Visas for international college students are held up currently as the State Dept reviews social media (hasn't said for what). Could that be putting a hold on announcing any recruiting efforts?
International recruiting just can't be working well in this climate. I'd focus more on US players so not to complicate matters. Can't be easy.
There aren't really any other good options left among HS or portal players unless someone unexpectedly withdraws from the draft at this point that hasn't already said where they're playing next season.
The international market is all that's left to find another impact player.
Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
Imagine reading these posts 10 years ago. College sports just feels dead to me.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
Three more to go. 11 onboard so far. 14 total with the penalty this season.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
Three more to go. 11 onboard so far. 14 total with the penalty this season.
But, that two way football player is part of the roster? Confuses me.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Can we get 2 more decent role players? We have 4 open schollies is it? Shouldnt we be waiting on 2 guys instead of 4 at this point, even if they may be impact guys?
Three more to go. 11 onboard so far. 14 total with the penalty this season.
But, that two way football player is part of the roster? Confuses me.
15 player rosters, can divide scholarships up however. Nickens counts towards the roster limit, but KU basketball isn't spending scholarship on him since his scholarship is from football.
Essentially, you can still have non-scholarship players, they just still count towards the 15 player roster limit.
Its sounding like a top level wing is the priority, doesn't sound like a big after that could be affordable. From there cheapest practice player they can find. Not a promising update tbh
Read the story in there about Haggerty's dad, too.
RJ staying in.
Don't be surprised if we don't make a run at RJ-- -nice fit with DP-- KU is also targeting three European players from abroad, we still going to when it's said and done land a couple
RJ, staying in the draft
KU passed on Luis
@BeddieKU23 Stayed in the draft anyways ana a really bad move for Ku to pass on this kid, partially why we are in the position we are in now
From what I've read, there was some red flags with him that made them pass a while back. We have to assume for good reason.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
KU passed on Luis
Far from the only school. His options were pretty limited. He likely will not be drafted.
@BeddieKU23 hmmmm.- - - Well one thing I'm starting to see is I think it is becoming apparent that soon , very soon there is going to be a changing of the guard.
We knew we needed change-- -new blood , and with now two departures in the staff I think all this does is solidify the fact that more likely then no this will be Coach Self's last year, I think he hangs it up after this Season , old staff knows this and are already making their moves.
I think that this could be a good thing and a bad thing possibly. Yes , for sure we need change , maybe the game is passing Coach Self and his stubbornness is not willing to make the changes that's needed. There is SO MUCH that goes into College Coaching, being on the on the road so much recruiting can be very wearing and stressful try to figure out what these 17 , 18 , 19 yr olds are going to do from one day to the next.-- -Then you got this dam NIL--- - -you got the portal-- -plus you have to worry about revenue sharing -you have to keep up on rules and constantly new changes to these rules. All this can be vey stressful and wear on a guy.--- Thusly enter Jacques, truly believe they have brought him in for the ne Coaching position.- -Now you changing personnel in staff.-- All these things can be good things.
The bad thing ? - How will this change in our recruiting ?-- If a Coaching change does happen then do we remain in the thick of things for Tryan ? -or does that cause him to cool off, because currently sure looks like KU--- -Louisville--- & Kentucky . How would this effect our position on other recruits where I'm seeing we are right there currently in recruitment. Will that cause them to back of?- -Could be possible be things
The chicken little stuff right now is crazy. We won the title 3 years ago. Year after 1 seed barely lost a close game when self was out. Last two years have been disappointing but still a decent team. Problem was Hunter kj and Harris didn’t mesh. Staff missed on transfers last year. It is what it is. How many schools have up a down years year after year. Just crazy lol
@jayhawks2010 People are displacing the panic they should be having about world events onto sports. Not just here--fanbases everywere seem more irrational than normal!
@mayjay said in The portal.:
Have we lost @BShark ?
I had a rough personal stretch, I'll post something about it behind the wall if people are interested
One to monitor
Sold!
Agreed.
Tell us about him, size, position and age. He could start for me. Chance? Can he take nil?
From the highlights. Rim punisher, finishes through contact, finishes with either hand. Some nice blocks. However, I didn’t see any shots beyond 3 feet from the basket so I question the fit.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in The portal.:
Tell us about him, size, position and age. He could start for me. Chance? Can he take nil?
Looks like the third post player.
@Texas-Hawk-10 can he get paid? We couldn't pay Furphy.
@BeddieKU23 love it. Lets reel him in.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
One to monitor
So, what does "one to monitor" mean? That he is a capable international front court player that we should go after to fill a gaping hole, or that KU is actively pursuing?
@BeddieKU23 Just got through reading the article written by Braulio Perez, a reporter from the site- -- " Through the Phog "- - and turns out that Yes Self and KU were for sure recruiting RJ Lewis,
I ffelt pretty sure that they would, you can't afford not to try with him being that type of talent and the way things have went for KU this off Season, that would of not been to smart not to. He would of fit vey nice with DP I think the article said he averaged 21 ppg for St Johns last Season.
Said Coach Self was actively recruiting Lewis knowing he was hoping for NBA but Self was hoping he would pull out of the draft , Article was just talking about Self's misses this of Season- -- Williams- - - Sarr - -& now Lewis -Article said Lewis was considering KU before staying in the draft.
It's looking to me like they are really relying now on foreign players -either that or hoping El Marko takes a step forward and fills the gap on the wing. If they miss the bus on these three players they listed, I'm afraid we going to be pretty dang thin -thin bench again.- -goin to have to rely on Bryson at the five and then think maybe Calderon may surprise, Coach seems to be pretty high on him. Going to be very interesting how it pans out.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
KU is in the mix but waiting to hear from Swain on 247 where that one is going. Could be a bit before we know.
In case you missed it Swain will be away for a bit. Finally getting married congrats to him
I could be wrong… but hasn’t Self scored late American players that had something go wrong with their committed team before? Didn’t that happen with Frank Mason?
@drgnslayr Tyshawn Taylor for sure. He decommitted from Marquette after a coaching change.
Frank and Graham both decommitted to take a prep year to try to improve their college landing spot.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
One to monitor
Things are heating up and could hear news in the next few days
If Bill attempts to have Flory play the 4 because he’s not happy with the guard play just go ahead and pencil us down for another 5-7 place in big 12, 7-10 seed and rd 32 exit
I’m good with Dessert as long as it’s off the bench at the 5 spot only
@kuballin10 I think we will be fine with Flory playing some 4. Not terribly worried about that; Flory can guard anyone as long as he avoids fouls.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@kuballin10 I think we will be fine with Flory playing some 4. Not terribly worried about that; Flory can guard anyone as long as he avoids fouls.
Flory, Tiller, and Dessert (if he commits) should not play a single minute at the 4 this season unless any of the have significantly extended their shooting range. All 3 have more limited range than KJ and with the primary offensive skill set of this team being the ability the drive the ball, you can't have two non shooting post players on the floor together.
Right now, we know Peterson, White, and Flory are starters while Council, Dawson, and Jackson are fighting for a starting spot (probably Dawson and Jackson in reality). This is why Self has been targeting starting caliber 3's so hard because KU doesn't have one right now and is a huge hole in the line up.
@Texas-Hawk-10 shouldn't or won’t? Haha. I think we will see at least 5 minutes a game of Tiller or Flory at the 4
I see the 4 spot as still a concern. We have White who's experienced being a "small ball 4" right now and that's it. Tiller and Calderon are your backup options and neither has proven anything, both freshman, one coming off 12+ months of being injured, the other dropped in the rankings due to inconsistency in play and ceiling at his age. One of them will need to be dependable if we don't add another option there.
I guess when you look at a few positions, once you get past the starter its unclear what we are getting for any of them.
Flory should start at the 5 but he can be a serviceable 4 for stretches as well
@BeddieKU23 Bryson is 6-10, 240 lbs. with limited shooting range, he's not a college 4.
Tre White will be just fine at the 4 spot. Jalen Wilson ended up measuring 6-6 and was fine in that spot, Marcus Garrett and Ochai manned that spot as well at different times figuring what many consider Self's best stretch of teams at KU.
If KU runs into a situation where a team plays two traditional bigs, then sure, play Tiller some at the 4 if White is getting abused defensively, but that's not likely to happen.
The defense this season is going to be back to being elite level which will mask some of the weaknesses of this group. KU does have 3 players capable of playing lead guard right now with Dawson, Jackson, and Peterson which will help a lot as at least two of those 3 should be on the court together pretty much at all times. This is a vintage Bill Self roster with positional flexibility as all 7 players currently on the roster that should be in the rotation next year can play multiple spots on the floor.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@kuballin10 I think we will be fine with Flory playing some 4. Not terribly worried about that; Flory can guard anyone as long as he avoids fouls.
Flory, Tiller, and Dessert (if he commits) should not play a single minute at the 4 this season unless any of the have significantly extended their shooting range. All 3 have more limited range than KJ and with the primary offensive skill set of this team being the ability the drive the ball, you can't have two non shooting post players on the floor together.
Right now, we know Peterson, White, and Flory are starters while Council, Dawson, and Jackson are fighting for a starting spot (probably Dawson and Jackson in reality). This is why Self has been targeting starting caliber 3's so hard because KU doesn't have one right now and is a huge hole in the line up.
You and I 100% agree the issue is the guy calling the shots and dictating minutes loves two bigs so much he played 3 bigs at the same time…..multiple times last year!
No way would I play any of the bigs on the roster at the 4 - I’d be running 4 guards all day as I’ve always said but Bill loves him some size and will sacrifice skill/ability to score for some height and arm length.
That’s specifically why I brought it up because we all know it will happen if he’s “not happy” with how the guards have been playing in practice. He did that this year with KJ at the 4 and even 3…..he did it in reverse when Ernest and Zuby didn’t satisfy his practice itch and then ran 4 guards around KJ at the 5.
I’m starting to think Bill values practice so much in comparison to game results
I don't think KJ played the 3 for more than 2 minutes last year. That said, 4 guards is a superior approach. I would have liked to see us start 4 guards and rotate Flory and KJ at the 5, Hunter being kicked out of the rotation until he steps up as a leader and hits the weight room
@BeddieKU23 was def a surprise to see.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
One to monitor
Things are heating up and could hear news in the next few days
Sounds like logistics are being worked here, eligibility etc. Promising that it sounds like he's gonna be a Hawk
@BeddieKU23 I certainly hope so, bout time ew get some good new instead of talking about ANOTHER MISS or crickets
Nice
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
One to monitor
Things are heating up and could hear news in the next few days
Sounds like logistics are being worked here, eligibility etc. Promising that it sounds like he's gonna be a Hawk
Does he have a Darnell Jackson vibe to him? Not super springy, but hustles and works hard lower to the ground?
Yeah good backup option, old as well (22). Hes a bruiser we desperately need
Boy oh boy would I like to add a few warm bodies to the roster
Yeah it’s just transcript issues with Dessert. My sister was responsible for transcript evals when she was in athletics and always said international SAs were pains in the ass to get cleared.
This is a big one (literally) if they can get all the logistics in order. I think this is the biggest remaining need to ensure this team has enough front court depth + he's going to have a good-sized role.
Another Wing Shooter is still priority 1A, but they may have to live with what they got. Perhaps they get lucky shaking the trees this summer as we've seen Coit/Furphy join the team late in the last two years and have impacts.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
This is a big one (literally) if they can get all the logistics in order. I think this is the biggest remaining need to ensure this team has enough front court depth + he's going to have a good-sized role.
Another Wing Shooter is still priority 1A, but they may have to live with what they got. Perhaps they get lucky shaking the trees this summer as we've seen Coit/Furphy join the team late in the last two years and have impacts.
Reporter for 247 quoted HCBS as saying we needed to add a 15ppg wing (3/4) to "have a complete roster."
@DCHawker said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
This is a big one (literally) if they can get all the logistics in order. I think this is the biggest remaining need to ensure this team has enough front court depth + he's going to have a good-sized role.
Another Wing Shooter is still priority 1A, but they may have to live with what they got. Perhaps they get lucky shaking the trees this summer as we've seen Coit/Furphy join the team late in the last two years and have impacts.
Reporter for 247 quoted HCBS as saying we needed to add a 15ppg wing (3/4) to "have a complete roster."
He did say that, they tried to get that from Sarr and Williams but didn't have the NIL funds to win out. Now they are likely getting Dessert who probably is going to take a significant amount of that NIL pool. I doubt there's funds to get that 15ppg scorer and given what NIL it takes to get top level guys we may be done after this one. Of course everything is still fluid, perhaps there's an international player with a price range where Self can shake a booster tree one more time but I wouldn't count on it as of today..
Cant we defer payment or something? Sign it in blood? I remain skeptical that money is the issue.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Vernon is reporting the Student Visa thing could also be part of the hold up on Dessert @mayjay but who knows, he's not a trustworthy source.
Pat Suemnick is still another potential addition that visited for front court depth. I'd take both if we can afford it.
We don't need both Dessert and Suemnick. Suemnick is nothing but a warm body. There is the possibility that judge overseeing this process could grandfather in walk ons not counting against roster limits per Swain at the Phog.
"Now, there are questions about walk-ons and how those spots will be handled. The House Settlement was initially going to limit roster spots and opportunities for walk-ons. But, the judge overseeing the settlement has made grandfathering in walk-ons a priority. If the walk-ons are grandfathered in, it would allow players like Wilder Evers and Justin Cross to remain on the roster without counting against a roster limit spot."
If the judge ends up grand fathering in walk ons, then Suemnick is fine to add.
I was listening to the Jay Hawk Slant podcast last night and they were talking about foot ball recruiting and Basketball recruiting and portal updates.
Shay Bedore ( I know the last name spelling isn't right ) but you know who I mean. Shay one of the insiders usually pretty good said a source had told him a France Big Man 6'11 & 245 by the Name of Bryon Sassaar ( I' don't know for sure the last name-- -BUT he had been told this was a guy for sure to keep an eye on as he was trending towards KU pretty quickly- -guessing us & Auburn, but said he was trending towards Ku pretty hard I dunno, but might be our back up for Flory - we shall see.
@SlimShaddy54 struggling to find info on him. Got a link?
I love how we are recruiting only backup bigs and not starting wings
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
I love how we are recruiting only backup bigs and not starting wings
To be fair I don’t think too many starting wings are available in June.
@approxinfinity No buddy I sure don't. All I got was from the KU podcast itself.- -Yet I truly apologize to ALL KU fans I'm so behind as I didn't even realize that Dessert was a five, and I think getting Dessert would BY FAR be better then the one I mentioned but sounds like might be some mutual interest.
Looking at Dessert stats is crazy, --Seven footer- ---has a 7'4 wing span -- -and 9'3 standing reach- - -Doke measured something like 9'1 standing reach Have to agree has to be a typo as the only negative thing if true would be is Dessert had only an EIGHTEEN Inch standing explosion- -- that CAN'T BE RIGHT , fricken Dickinson had or was in the Twenties standing and Dessert only has an EIGHTEEN ? Na that can;t be right
Any of these guys still on our radar? https://www.si.com/college/kansas/basketball/five-players-bill-self-and-kansas-can-still-add-to-the-jayhawks-roster ↗
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Any of these guys still on our radar? https://www.si.com/college/kansas/basketball/five-players-bill-self-and-kansas-can-still-add-to-the-jayhawks-roster ↗
Rosario would have to reclassify and is a Nike product whose stock is rising a bit, but would still be a back up at best at KU next season.
Ven-Allen Lubin committed to NC State earlier this week.
KU appears out of the running for Claude as they haven’t really been connected to him for a few weeks now.
See previous conversation on Suemnick, but he's nothing more than a practice player.
Ivan Bogdonvic is the name from that list to watch. The other names, not in that article, but also from SI are Ognjen Stankovic and Luka Skoric. All 3 are 6-8 or 6-9 wings with guard skill sets (think Svi) that could come in and impact right away.
@Texas-Hawk-10 thanks
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Any of these guys still on our radar? https://www.si.com/college/kansas/basketball/five-players-bill-self-and-kansas-can-still-add-to-the-jayhawks-roster ↗
Schulman as the author....woof
@BShark yeah i mean i have no idea who is legit and who isnt. If you guys in the know on who to trust have time to put together a list of which sources to read that would be super helpful for us to play along at home :) you drop a name here and there but ive been too lazy to aggregate
@approxinfinity just not a fan. He is a real person though
Ha Dessert is a no go. What a shame
Significant roadblock potentially involving appeal process is what the issue is here
Sucks!
ugh.
I understand 29-year-old Eddie Lampkin Jr. is available...
Oh, and sooner than later the hundreds or more guys who are still available will realize that NIL money is about dried up across the country (i assume).
Maybe Burrito King can step up their game!
As crazy as it sounds KU very easily end up with ten man roster lol. you talk about a cluster F - - - , should be REAL INTRESTING.
Now Trump getting his hands all messy by screwing with visa's
I like the 3 portal adds but I’ll also be real and say I’m underwhelmed by what they did this offseason. I understand funds may have been limited but I don’t think they planned well at all and that’s on the coaching staff.
The focus is still a big and a wing, the last spot could go to another front court type.
This offseason has been mostly forgettable
@TYOHawk said in The portal.:
I like the 3 portal adds but I’ll also be real and say I’m underwhelmed by what they did this offseason. I understand funds may have been limited but I don’t think they planned well at all and that’s on the coaching staff.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe we turned down two top 30-40 wings in London Jemison and Sebastian Williams Adams last year and now we have barely any wings and three open roster spots. The fetish for transfers and overall planning has been horrible. Not even sure if those guys would've been super impactful but we're scrapping the bottom of the barrel at this point and someone would've been better than no one.
Yeah I think that’s a better way of wording it than I did rcjhdraft. I’m underwhelmed by their planning and have some concerns about the coaching staff and their ability to adapt to this era.
With that said if they could wrap this portal season up and add Kerem Konan, Marko Radunovic and Pat Suemnick it would be a solid haul. I don’t think it’s likely though.
Maybe they did pass on both, but neither was expected to be a year 1 high impact dude. I don't remember Jemison ever visiting here (or having serious interest) and while SWA did visit they seemed to have him lower on the pecking order at the time. We also have no idea what NIL # they were looking for & could KU afford it. There's an obvious reason KU only signed 2 HS players this year, 1 being one of the most expensive in the country (for good reason).
I'm not going to make much excuse for the outcome of the offseason but it's kind of felt like there's no roadmap to follow & there's been a crazy amount of circumstances that have made it difficult to be successful in the KU bubble alone.
OK, so now let me get this right. --Sooo things have slowed or stopped with Dessert ?- -Heard from posters on TOS & even here that things are done --- -am I understanding this right ? If this is true then what the F - - - are we doing ? Trouble with Visa or something is that right ?
So Dessert is not an option anymore because of problems to keep him from coming over then WHY the hell is K/ State and Utah all over recruiting Dessert trying to land him now ?- -- -Hmmmmm
Dessert is not coming due what sounds like significant issues with his situation. He was a pro player so perhaps issues with eligibility. Perhaps visa or other paperwork concerns. Sounds like they were red flags with him being here so its a no go.
We are good at finding the 1 international player that has issues. We have a well established history of it
Sure seems doom and gloom at the moment. But, i'm sure we'll come up with a few more quality players.
We have four good starters at the moment. DP / Dawson / White / ? / Flory
Council is probably the sixth man?
The big questions are Tiller and Elmarko. Can those two be counted on to contribute? From what we've seen from Elmarko pre-injury, i'm sure we're all wondering the same thing.
Jeez, now that i look at what i wrote, we need some depth!
Suemnick is off the board to Seton Hall
That can't be true. People on the internet were saying Suemnick to KU was a done deal.
If Suemnick was going to play real minutes here, KU was already going to be in big trouble.
@BeddieKU23 Well if then is true then why and how is K/State and Utah now going after him so hard ?
@SlimShaddy54 said in The portal.:
@BeddieKU23 Well if then is true then why and how is K/State and Utah now going after him so hard ?
Not every school has the same admissions standards if there's some academic stuff. If it's visa issues, it may not have been worth the efforts on KU's end for someone who wasn't likely going to be in the regular rotation. For KSU and Utah, it may be worth it to them if they think Dessert would be in their rotations.
The "strategy" for this off season is simply...mystifying.
We knew what we had coming back, which wasn't much at all - 5ppg in Flory - high potential, but still raw - Elmarko - underwhelming first year and coming off a serious injury - Tiller - essentially an unproven freshman coming off injury - and Jamari - at best a few minutes off the bench guy. And, of course, DP - 1st or 2nd ranked recruit, but still a freshman.
We knew what we needed - 3 P5 level starters with more speed, length and athleticism, one of whom needed to be the first or second option on offense - a 15ppg+ scorer - plus front court depth and better perimeter shooting. Yes, we wanted better fits, but fits that fit the bill. No issues with the three transfers as role players and maybe filling 2 starter slots. Our perimeter defense should be much, much better. But they don't come close to matching the portal hauls by other teams.
White is a solid P5 role player, but that's it. Over three years, has averaged 10ppg and 30% from 3. Makes fewer than one trey per game. That isn't going to help with spacing. Numbers haven't changed much over the 3 years - he is who he is. Dawson and Council solid contributors on non-P5 teams. Should we expect them to do more against consistently better competition? Dawson stepped up his scoring his third year to 14 ppg and solid from 3, but overall FG% just 41%. I like what Council brings, but he is sub 30% from 3. Are any of the three really 30mpg B12 caliber starters or more like 15-20 mpg role players?
Given what we so obviously needed - and still need - it's difficult to comprehend the very high risk strategy of waiting out the draft game to fill key starting and depth roles (or the international can they qualify crap shoot). Yes, it's worked before, but that was before NIL bags got so large. Most (exception of Luis) of the handful of guys that ended up coming back were in the driver's seat and able to get big hauls from high bidders.
St. John's portal haul for comparison (added to Zuby):
Bryce Hopkins (17.0 PPG at Providence) -
Oziyah Sellers (13.7 PPG at Stanford) -
Joson Sanon (11.9 PPG at Arizona State) -
Ian Jackson (11.9 PPG at North Carolina) -
Dylan Darling (19.8 PPG at Idaho State) -
Dillon Mitchell (9.9 PPG at Cincinnati) -
Handje Tamba (10.5 PPG at Milligan - NAIA)
I think that kid from miss st is back as well.
@dylans said in The portal.:
I think that kid from miss st is back as well.
Shak Moore is not returning.
https://kuathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2025-26 ↗
Current roster is:
1 - Jayden Dawson
2 - Corbin Allen
3 - Tre White
6 - Samis Calderon
7 - Noah Shelby
11 - Jamari McDowell
12 - Wilder Evers
13 - Elmarko Jackson
14 - Melvin Council
15 - Will Thengvall (likely getting another new number)
15 - Bryson Tiller
22 - Darryn Peterson
25 - Justin Cross
40 - Flory Bidunga
@DCHawker TBH besides Bryce Hopkins, these names don't jump off the page for me. I'm sure Rick will coach them up and get them playing together, but Jackson in particular has serious defensive issues and couldn't stay on the floor on a middling UNC team.
TBH if we get a starter level 3/4 wing and I would really like this team. The roster somewhat reminds me of the 19/20 squad that played around Dotson/Dok being the only players that averaged >10 ppg. With that as the model, we wouldn't even even need to add a 15 ppg scorer to be successful. I don't see Flory getting to be senior year Dok level, but it is reasonable that he could get close and DP could end up better than Dotson. Also know with hindsight, the back end of the 19/20 roster ended up looking pretty loaded, but Ochai/Braun/Wilson/McCormick weren't playing at the same level they were the national championship season, so we don't need the starters around DP/Flory to be either. We do need them to not be busts like the last couple of seasons though.
@MR11 I agree that IF we get a starter level 3/4 wing, the roster could compete with almost anyone (well, maybe plus a solid 4/5 rotation piece). A Hopkins type would certainly fit that bill (is anyone close to that available?). I don't want to make too much of SJU, but they have Hopkins. They have Zuby, who I would take over Flory (just for this next year). Dillon is basically a wash with White (I might slightly prefer the former). Sellers + Sanon + Jackson (all P5 double figure scorers) > Dawson + Council (although not by that much). Darling is a really solid backup at the 1. The difference is DP - if he lives up to the ranking, then we could be sneaky good. IF we get that starter level 3/4...
Yeah agreed and that is looking to be hard at this stage so then we would be stuck relying on Jackson/Council to really exceed expectations in order to have a truly top team. I don't love being in that position and it is a big if for Jackson coming off for injury, but there is a chance that a starting lineup of DP / Jackson / Dawson / White / Flory works well with council as the 6th man spark plug and Tiller backup big role. I don't feel terrible about the 8th man being McDowell as he should be improved from what we saw freshman year. Definitely not a perfect roster and there isn't much room for error as injuries could easily derail the season, but throwing bad fits on the team just to have depth and hoping for the best hasn't worked out in the past 2 seasons and seems to be at least a part of the reason we are falling short our previous wing targets as donors seem a little more hesitant to contribute to NIL.
With that many unknowns, I wouldn't have large expectations for the team, but I do still find myself looking forward to seeing how it plays out. Maybe I'm just in an optimistic mood knowing I don't have to watch Hunter lumber down the court any more haha. Feel free to think I am being delusional!
New ESPN on winners and losers in the portal. Guess on which side of the ledger we land...
Team that hurt its outlook by not doing enough
Medcalf: Kansas.
Last season was a disaster for Bill Self, who landed some of the top transfers in the portal but couldn't stitch the group together. He once again brings in high-caliber talent with Darryn Peterson, a five-star recruit and the potential No. 1 pick in 2026, to go with Illinois transfer Tre White, who should help fortify one of the country's top backcourts. But the lack of experience in the paint is a real concern for Kansas.
While Flory Bidunga is ready for a starring role after playing behind Hunter Dickinson last season, another experienced big or two would have improved the Jayhawks' outlook. Bidunga will have to handle his new role for them to reach their goals.
Just read an article from Jay Bilas and he is saying this whole new NIL deal will end transfers' , saying players won't be going anywhere.
Bilas saying to start Colleges will be able to spend up to 20.5 Million on players with the amount rising each year as revenues increase. He then goes on to say with the new arrangements will come contracts. --with buy out clauses that probably will lock them down. Schools can now sign playes to contracts So when you sign a player to contracts with this 20.5 million amount annually that's going to keep going up because of revenues keep going up in those arms lengths negotiations, you can also put buy outs in those contracts, and when you put in these players aren't going to go anywhere.
Hello , like we have been saying SEE YA college sports- -- there will be no more, it's now become a farm system for the NBA- -this dam portal and this NIL has ruined College sports
Hey it's only 72 days -- - - -21 hours- --- & 43 minutes for KU football- --EOCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
@SlimShaddy54 that’s 20.5mil in total for all sports. There will be basketball and football schools again. It’ll be very difficult to maintain multiple top flight programs.
Looks like KU zeroing in on Turkey big - -- - - -Kerem - - -Konin
Camron McDowell is on a visit. CRIME HAWKS ARE BACK.
Camron McDowell
Not to be confused with Cam McDowell
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4896462/cam-mcdowell ↗
Looks like a dawg with an edge. Prob room on this roster for his personality, def his skillset.
Struggling to find any info on the proper McDowell.
@approxinfinity Looks like a pretty solid kid. Maybe be a good role player possible offer ? -- ---How tall ?-- High School ?- -looks like a lwfty.
Searching his name plus D2 pulls up his stats for the last two years (or this link if you trust me https://riderangersride.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/camron--mcdowell/7039). ↗
Listed as 6-6" with 27.3 ppg with 39% from 3 on 7.5 attempts per game so the stats are good. Always a risk D2 players can't handle the jump in competition though.
I could be missing something, but I think that ESPN link is him but he dropped down to D2 for the last two years.
Anybody on this site anymore ?-- did everyone dessert ?- -not a single post all day, What the
@SlimShaddy54 ha. I’m lurking.
Watching the Inter Miami game.
One to monitor. Sounds promising
@BeddieKU23 Mercy, he looks like a big boy. When I say big I mean bulk , solid , but not even beginning to hope we have had so many misses that's sounded promising
I was right he is big--- 6'10 & 250.---Think it said 14 ppg & 8 rpg.-- So who is the competition we have for him ?
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
One to monitor. Sounds promising
Uhh yes please. Are you kidding me? We can possibly bring this guy in to spell Flory?
Looks agile for his size, and at least has a few shots away from the basket, out to the free throw line.
Sounds like another that they will have to pray is eligible. Would certainly be an ideal option if they can
McDowell also has eligibility issues to work through for those interested in the D2 kid
@BeddieKU23 Good God never seen such a brutal off Season
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Sounds like another that they will have to pray is eligible. Would certainly be an ideal option if they can
McDowell also has eligibility issues to work through for those interested in the D2 kid
June is not an ideal month to be working through eligibility issues. What a strange offseason.
Demir tried to get admitted to UCLA back in 2022 and it didn't happen.
Reason from Swain:
He wasn't admitted because he didn't earn a qualifying score in English as a foreign language, per our UCLA website. Things have improved since then.
Big picture, it sounds like he should have a better shot at getting eligible than Brice Dessert did.
McDowell is likely going to seek a medical waiver for his year at Jax St, he's played 4 seasons but likely has a case for the 1 year so that's why his situation isn't settled either.
Karem Konan another international prospect is now following KU on socials.
@BeddieKU23 Ya I had since read that Demir like you mentioned had actually verbal to UCLA a few years back but didn't meet UCLA'S standard . of English. Crazy score he needed to qualify for UCLA- -had to score a 100 for them, was referenced just silly, as even Harvard and Cal which are very High Schools their scores needed in English is 80.
KU score needed is 79 but if a individual takes a paper test in home the score drops to a 60 , so yes your right a lot better chance to qualify.
Interesting enough I had thought about this before they brought this up ---Demir reminds them and me as a some what smaller version of Doke right at a 7'3 wing span , very aggressive rebounder, attacks the rim with vicious dunks. going to bring strong rebounding , good lob go getter, poor free thrower, needs to reduce turnovers
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Karem Konan another international prospect is now following KU on socials.
This feels like your normal recruitment signs here.
For sure shades of Doke, I thought of that as well. Shoot's FT's as good as he did too.
@BeddieKU23 lol ya
He reminds me of Bill Russell when he’s 2-ft from the basket. 🤣. But seriously… he would fulfill one of our needs. Love his athleticism. Solid for ball screens, rebounding, defense, maybe even top of the key defense.
I would have taken 2 years of Konan over 2 years of Dickinson in a heartbeat
Paul Mbyia has decommitted from NC State. 6-11, 240 lbs. with a 7-7 wingspan. Anyone know if KU is going to make a run after him.
He would be a back up option for Flory.
Mercy , who really knows 100 % for sure just exactly where we stand on recruiting ? I mean through misses in our recruiting with High School & portal we have really hit the international route really hard this off season trying to find that back up Big and that scoring wing.
I'm just starting to get this feeling that in the end we may NOT be in quite as bad of shape as it seems. It just maybe , maybe might be with these guys being international bottom line is things JUST TAKE LONGER , RIGHT ? - --could be Visa's-- - - Could be eligibility , - ---- there is no way we can possibly know the whole story as to where we stans, Hell they might have already actually given a verbal , now just waiting on the process.
As far as Ege or Koren as to who I would take ? -- --- that is a tough one for me. Like has been said by BeddieKU23 we are further along with Demir , sure fit -----I would take Ege because of his rebounding aggressive attack of the rim & length-----BUT I would take Korem because very fluid, makes some nice passes , looks like he can hit the three occasionally , handles the ball well- - I dunno I will take either and be fine if they commit.
Yet like Kcmatt7 says when we see that Karem is following KU on Social, does kind of seem like we have seen this before usually means interested for sure and might be heavy interest- - -in the end I think we will be fine,-- like they say I guess patience is a victual
@Texas-Hawk-10 Ya I would think they would still try and reach out and see for sure. Mbyia visited KU on his original recruitment and KU was in the mix for him -- - like you said 7'7 wing span , he was tearing up the Euro league showed scoring of 15.3 ppg- --11.7 rpg - - -& 3 blocks per game --pretty serious numbers,
Like the article put out though would be if he came who is your starter ?- Flory or Mbyia ?- - Mbyia -6'11 and 260 with that 7'7 wing span, gonna be a lot of Schools on him
@SlimShaddy54 I worry about visas for Int'l players. Our current federal government is a mess. I'm pretty sure if Bill gets a shot at a USA big he'll sign him.
International players handlers are so shady I’d prefer to avoid them entirely, but KU basketball isn’t very shiny right now. NIL has reduced players loyalty to just the dollar and it’s hindering their long term development. Maybe the only money they’ll ever make is in college they way many act. I suppose they don’t value the education and are just in it for ball - in which case go pro, but they aren’t good enough… So KU is a minor league basketball program now and a revolving door. Minor league basketball sucks and this is worse, no player development and zero loyalty -contracts don’t mean a thing. I’ve never once felt compelled to watch a G-league game and that’s what the ncaa is turning into (only a worse version). Hope someone gets a handle on it before the product is completely ruined.
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
@SlimShaddy54 I worry about visas for Int'l players. Our current federal government is a mess.
👎 Wrong thread. The politics section is wide open for comments.
Wouldn’t be disappointed by Konan based on the film.
@drgnslayr I understand and I'm hopeful that Coach at least tries to make the connection a that Big Man you speak of at the present would be Mbyia
@dylans I agree with you 100 % & this is exactly what I've been saying also all College ball is a minor league now for the pro's NIL ha destoyed the game of College Basketball there is no NCAA basketball anymore. I have never watched any G league ball either, your spot on.
Are we getting closer to imposing harder transfer rules now that universities can pay athletes directly and there is a clearer contractual legal path? I dont think NIL destroyed college sports, it just pulled the curtain back. Now we have to align what the schools and fans want with what the athletes want. Time to make the fans happy and lock kids into multiyear contracts.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Are we getting closer to imposing harder transfer rules now that universities can pay athletes directly and there is a clearer contractual legal path? I dont think NIL destroyed college sports, it just pulled the curtain back. Now we have to align what the schools and fans want with what the athletes want. Time to make the fans happy and lock kids into multiyear contracts.
I haven’t read anything about contracts. But, seems like they’ll be forging new paths as they go. you can obviously see that all these new freedoms benefit the athletes. Taking a step back and restricting the athletes just seems like more lawsuits waiting to happen.
@dylans said in The portal.:
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
@SlimShaddy54 I worry about visas for Int’l players. Our current federal government is a mess.
Wrong thread. The politics section is wide open for comments.
Sorry about that. I definitely didn't want to inject politics in here. But in this particular case, there are issues happening with foreign student visas.
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Are we getting closer to imposing harder transfer rules now that universities can pay athletes directly and there is a clearer contractual legal path? I dont think NIL destroyed college sports, it just pulled the curtain back. Now we have to align what the schools and fans want with what the athletes want. Time to make the fans happy and lock kids into multiyear contracts.
I don't think NIL has destroyed college sports either. This will take an adjustment period and trial-and-error rule changes to make things smoother.
We were all living an illusion before that college athletes would pick schools strictly by being fans of that school. I am sure that money is the biggest or one of the biggest factors now for players, so why shouldn't it be? Money incentives drives most employment situations.
It will take us years to uncondition all of us to start treating athletes like people in other work places.
Paul Mbiya back in play. Decommitted from NC St. Just measured 6'9 with 7'8 wingspan. Would be 6th longest player in NBA for reference
Mike Vernon actually just posted to Reddit. KU is actively recruiting Mbyia, Demir, and Konan. Says Oregon is the early leader for Mbyia and KU was interested earlier in this cycle, but Mbyia's price was too high at the time.
There's mutual interest with Demir, but the eligibility issues with getting into UCLA few years ago could still be a problem although KU doesn't have as high of standards as UCLA.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Paul Mbiya back in play. Decommitted from NC St. Just measured 6'9 with 7'8 wingspan. Would be 6th longest player in NBA for reference
Deep pockets got involved by the sounds of it. Hope they’re ours 😂
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
It will take us years to uncondition all of us to start treating athletes like people in other work places.
It’ll never happen - it doesn’t with professional sports. It’s a weird profession being in the entertainment business. No privacy is part of the cost.
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
Are we getting closer to imposing harder transfer rules now that universities can pay athletes directly and there is a clearer contractual legal path? I dont think NIL destroyed college sports, it just pulled the curtain back. Now we have to align what the schools and fans want with what the athletes want. Time to make the fans happy and lock kids into multiyear contracts.
I don't think NIL has destroyed college sports either. This will take an adjustment period and trial-and-error rule changes to make things smoother.
Until there are multiple year commitments it will be unstable and not super enjoyable for this fans particular taste. Time will tell.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Sounds like Oregon may lead, KU also involved
I'm just hoping we went back and shook the money tree after whiffing on a few guys and donors ponied up.
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
there are issues happening with foreign student visas
Another article, from The Athletic (I should get a commission, I push it so much), talking about how many international college athletes and recruits are being affected by the travel ban, not only the visa restrictions.
@drgnslayr said in The portal.:
<a href="/user/approxinfinity" class="mention">@approxinfinity</a> said in The portal.:
I don’t think NIL has destroyed college sports either. This will take an adjustment period and trial-and-error rule changes to make things smoother.
Until there are multiple year commitments it will be unstable and not super enjoyable for this fans particular taste. Time will tell.
I'm not so sure legislating that within the NCAA framework will hold up in federal court. I feel like college basketball will more likely mimic pro ball with player contracts that specify years and amounts. Even that would require major changes.
So, do we have a team yet?
...as we wait impatiently
@rockchalkjayhawk I know this has to be one of the craziest off Seasons in recruiting
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
So, do we have a team yet?
...as we wait impatiently
That is the question. Reminds me of my enrollment at KU. Didn't get finalized until middle of July because of some transcripts that didn't show up. Once I was on campus the team was energized for a FF in 86 and championship 2 years later. I'll take a similar ending to this years recruiting frustrations.
A lot of teachers in Hashinger Hall. Well, in 1981-82 anyway
@HoraceZontal said in The portal.:
A lot of teachers in Hashinger Hall. Well, in 1981-82 anyway
A lot of drugs in Hashinger Hall during the late 90s early 2000s. Artsy/hippy dorm then.
Saw some other posts and saying sounds like Self is putting the full court press on Kohl Rosario & Mbiya .
Thing is with Rosario hearing wants big bag & wants lots of minutes, not sure how that is going to go over with staff. on top of that thought we were hurting in NIL money, with I'm sire Reterson & Flory NIL.
Do we want to spend big on Kohl , unproven or spend more om Mbiya who has college experience and try for McDowell for less
Looks like we might lead for Rosario who's very likely to end up in 25. Just saw his rank go from 120's to 45. Just wrapped up a visit here
Sounds like Demir will be a hawk if he can get eligible. Mbiya is also in play, as well as Konan. Konan has eligibility stuff as well. Rosario sounds promising. Looks like the final 3 spots could come from this group
@BeddieKU23 Souns good but do we have the money
They are cruiting like they do
Eyes on Rosario. Lots of optimism there
@BeddieKU23 True might be at that. --IF we by chance would happen to land him I think would be a really good fit with Darryn, Pit him in tthe line up with Darryn , & Flory & himself really makes this team sweet.--Add Council in some where would be nice.
Get our back up big would be food to go. I think Kohl shot like 43 % from the three , that's a bonus. I gursss he has said he will be making a commitment soon and re-class remains a strong possibility. said he will probably commit sometime this week..
I would think hopefully good news because he committing this weeks chances are more then not he had cancelled his other visits with Texas A & M and Caylor and others. You put that together with he is just coming off his visit here means has to be good right ?- Might be reading to much into this we shall see
43% from 3? Man. All worth the wait seems like.
Who knew? A winning fantasy strat saving cabbage til the end could be a winner irl too
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Eyes on Rosario. Lots of optimism there
Believe that he signed today.
@BeddieKU23 So guess he re classified then for 2025 ?
Travis Brenham 247 recruiting put in his CB for /kohl at 7;1p.m tonight to KU
Alrighty then, bring on that big fella from overseas and we're getting somewhere.
How excited should I be about Old King Kohl?
@Jhawk69 said in The portal.:
How excited should I be about Old King Kohl?
Bench piece. If he means Samis doesn't have to play that's a win imo
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@BShark so are we still down a starting wing then?
The starting line-up has been set for months
@BShark said in The portal.:
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@BShark so are we still down a starting wing then?
The starting line-up has been set for months
I hope we can get a starter with size next to Flory. If not, it’ll be everybody at what, 6-5, and Flory at 6-9?
Weird for a team that may not be strong from 3 pt land.
Tre at 6-7 right? Couldn't tell you how big he plays though.
Give up some top end size but looks to be an extremely switchable lineup so not all bad.
Rosario has signed with KU and it's official. Nice work shutting down his other visits and getting him signed. Decent shot at carving a role as a freshman as a wing shooter. We'll see if he can defend anyone.
Demir is still working on eligibility, Mbiya is eligible.. Sounds like one of them is more likely then both. Also sounds like one of them is more likely then Konan.
@BeddieKU23 I myself would love Myiba, the kid is really solid. Defends the rim well things starting to shape up. Also I think Tre is a solid player to might surprise some.
@MR11 said in The portal.:
Tre at 6-7 right? Couldn't tell you how big he plays though.
Give up some top end size but looks to be an extremely switchable lineup so not all bad.
yea i'm in the dark on Tre's game as well. I thought i read somewhere that he was really 6-5.
Hopefully he can rebound at whatever his size/spot on the floor.
Hopefully if Tiller is serviceable, that will help give us some size.
I still have nightmares from those USC freaks...
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Hearing Elmarko has been really good and could push to start. Dawson is a really good 6th man if needed.
Elmarko was going to start last year before he got hurt which is one of the reasons I'm much higher in him than most others. It's also why Self hasn't pushed as hard for a PG in the portal the way he has for the 2-4 spots.
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@MR11 said in The portal.:
Tre at 6-7 right? Couldn't tell you how big he plays though.
Give up some top end size but looks to be an extremely switchable lineup so not all bad.
yea i'm in the dark on Tre's game as well. I thought i read somewhere that he was really 6-5.
Hopefully he can rebound at whatever his size/spot on the floor.Hopefully if Tiller is serviceable, that will help give us some size.
I still have nightmares from those USC freaks...
Evan Mobley was the 3rd pick in the draft. You don't run up against players like him very often.
Answering multiple questions here
Tre White should start at the four.
I have the starting line-up as DP, Elmarko, Council, White, Flory based on early practice reports. Dawson will play a lot whether he starts or not.
Really starting to like these pieces we have. We have nice interchangeabe pieces in the back court. we have length in the back court.-- The team as a whole is very athletic- I think the defense is going to cause teams trouble.
Been hearing really good things on Council and Marcus, heard Marcus has really raised his game
@Texas-Hawk-10 ive watched the near perfect game durant had against us several times where we still beat him. Also, we shut down Flagg didnt we? Granted that was early in the season, before he got good and we got bad. Anyway, yeah Mobley was special.
Geez, what happened to the posse lookin' to tar and feather that varmint who can't 'cruit nor coach no more?
@SlimShaddy54 He is pretty clever, ain't he, that fine-feathered friend of our'n!
@approxinfinity said in The portal.:
@Texas-Hawk-10 ive watched the near perfect game durant had against us several times where we still beat him. Also, we shut down Flagg didnt we? Granted that was early in the season, before he got good and we got bad. Anyway, yeah Mobley was special.
KJ shut shut down Flagg, KJ wasn't on the team when Mobley helped end that season.
I’m happy about this addition and feeling very positive on the team potential. We should have a more athletic team than the past years and possess solid defensive capabilities. For those worried about height… I’d rather have athleticism and long wing spans. Should be a very difficult team to beat anytime we bring energy!
Sounding like Mbiya will be a Hawk soon
@BeddieKU23 that would be nice
Bill Self big dawging Will Wade. You love to see it
@Kcmatt7 If Mbyia commits here, it's not because Self outbid Wade. Mbyia got recruited over plain and simple. NC State allegedly took some of Mbyia's NIL money and reallocated for Van Lubin who they coveted more and Mbyia left when NC State landed Scottie Ebube from Wyoming.
Finally, a much needed big man!
Gimme a mobile 4 and I’ll feel pretty dang good about the team.
Some really great news!!! Kohl reminds me of Nick Collison and can't wait to watch what Jacque does now with all the talent.
In what way does Kohl remind you of Nick Collison?
Mbiya is a Jayhawk. Big time add at needed position
@RockChalkinTexas Lot better rebounder then KJ- --Lot better rim protector-- much longer wing span 7'9.-- -kinda raw , still learning he has been playing ball for three years.- -gotta little post up move --and your right he loves to try and tear down the rim at all times.
One thing about it is he is not going to have to come in and have the entire load on his shoulders. Like I read from another site actually all he needs to o is rebound, score some and defend the rim right now, spell flory a bit and be able to learn the system.
@BeddieKU23 said in The portal.:
Mbiya is a Jayhawk. Big time add at needed position
He said Tarik Black was his mentor!
If I could get paid for each of the comments on this thread.....Wondering if it's safe to shut er down now? Is Bill done? Roster is set?
@SlimShaddy54 I meant KJ as far as getting up to the rim. His jump is what reminds me of KJ.
@RockChalkinTexas Oh gotcha , I thought you were talking overall player my bad
@wissox said in The portal.:
If I could get paid for each of the comments on this thread…Wondering if it’s safe to shut er down now? Is Bill done? Roster is set?
I don't believe we are done. I'll be surprised if we don't use that last scholarship. Seems like we have our immediate needs addressed now. Maybe its time for Self to pull an ace from his sleeve and land someone who can offer additional flexibility in a lineup... like a 6'8" PF capable from the perimeter with handles and defense. A guy who could play 3-5 position. Maybe we sit on an Int'l prospect who has to get legals in order because we aren't really at a loss if we don't fill that scholie.
@wissox said in The portal.:
If I could get paid for each of the comments on this thread.....Wondering if it's safe to shut er down now? Is Bill done? Roster is set?
I don't think the last addition will be meaningful if there is one but you never know I suppose.
Yeah any other additions would be walk on types. Revshare is tapped.
Also there remains no better closer than Billy Eugene Self.
We seem to have a decent mix of older and younger guys. I’d like to get an experienced shooter on the roster. Somebody who could get hot like Coit could once in awhile and win us a few games.
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
Yeah any other additions would be walk on types. Revshare is tapped.
Not sure what’s believable about our cash on hand anymore, Mr Farmer. We heard the same thing before we signed Rosario and the big guy whose name I forget how to spell.
If this is Self’s last run, make it count.
Have a hard time betting he will retire since this feels like the first coherent roster weve put together in the NIL era. Bill might have a few in him yet.
And Self is waste deep in 2026 recruiting… doesn’t show signs of him walking out the door. Maybe all the recent skepticism is fueling him. Might he have a recruiting chip on his shoulder? It’s been ages since I preached chip!! 🤣🤣🤣
@rockchalkjayhawk post-House there is a hard cap we have in terms of RevShare. That money is spent. Now, if there are donors willing to pony up for NIL for a guy (subject to getting through Deloitte’s clearinghouse) that’s a different deal but KUAD is tapped.
I can confirm what Farmer is saying about revshare. I seriously would not expect much at all with a potential last addition.
If revenue sharing is the lions share of the money paid to players, KU will be an also ran. NIL is still the driver and if that money is dried up they better get to looking harder.
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk post-House there is a hard cap we have in terms of RevShare. That money is spent. Now, if there are donors willing to pony up for NIL for a guy (subject to getting through Deloitte’s clearinghouse) that’s a different deal but KUAD is tapped.
Ahh, gotcha. So RevShare is that $20 million cap that schools have for all sports?
@rockchalkjayhawk said in The portal.:
@FarmerJayhawk said in The portal.:
@rockchalkjayhawk post-House there is a hard cap we have in terms of RevShare. That money is spent. Now, if there are donors willing to pony up for NIL for a guy (subject to getting through Deloitte’s clearinghouse) that’s a different deal but KUAD is tapped.
Ahh, gotcha. So RevShare is that $20 million cap that schools have for all sports?
Yes. All power conference schools have the same lid in terms of revshare
Is Lexi now our first GM?