BeddieKU23 said:
The defense is going to be worse then last season. We will have to continue to score at a high level consistently to have the season we want
A long ways to go but I feel it can be better than last year if only because of Udoka.
The pieces aren't there on this team to play elite defense though. Not enough depth or size. Plus there is Svi. The next couple seasons look like they have more potential defensively.
kjayhawks said:
@Big-Clyde52 I actually didn't even hear about it til after it happened. It was really a piss poor job of promoting it, but I highly doubt playing Missouri state raised a whole lotta of money. If I was KSU I would've asked WSU to play at intrust in Wichita. That would've raised a decent amount and took a shot at us but it's KSU they ain't smart enough, they just chant F bombs. Lol
Weber probably wanted a game KSU would win. That ain't happening with WSU.
Any reason to use this over discord?
@DoubleDD I'm sure you didn't mean it this way but saying KU is set and can't improve could easily be perceived as a knock on Self's coaching. I think Doke and Billy in particular have much to learn.
Never be afraid of Missouri!
DoubleDD said:
Last I heard KU fans were kicking the crap out of MU fans in charitable donations.
Last time I checked.
Wasn't close! But is the arena full for another team is up for debate. It was full and rocking for this game.
HawkChamp said:
@BShark definitely looks like more a banger and a bit tougher mentally. I like it a lot
Me too. He has a lot of skill. Could be one of the best post players Self has had. A shame he isn't a multiyear guy. Could only imagine him in his JR year like Marcus... Not sure he played enough today but he had a bad effort moment so Self yanked him, and he did have 5 fouls.
Does KU raise nearly 2 million if it isn't Missouri? I'm not so sure.
@HawkChamp Looks like Billy might be a bit more willing and able to play inside than Bragg...
HawkChamp said:
@DoubleDD it would have sucked in the worst of ways if we lost. But there is risk in everything. This was a risk I was willing to take because of the potential pay off due to the fact that Kentucky is the only real opponent in our non con. It's almost a must win for the resume. If we lose on the 14th, I won't feel any different because it is ALWAYS a good thing to play a top twenty five team, which I believe MU is.
No doubt Missouri has top 25 talent.
Tilmon, MPJ, Robertson, Barnett is a really good top 4.
The younger Porter needs to know he isn't his bro though, he took too many threes.
HawkChamp said:
@DoubleDD like others have said, this game is perfect prep for Kentucky. Missouri personnel wise is very similar to them. We would not have had this prep under normal conditions so I will take it every time. Will it pay off? We'll find out on the 14th.
I think regardless of what happens in the UK game, this was good. Good practice with the length and size Missouri has in a real game atmosphere. Self will have ammo on tape with that poor first half effort to show what happens when you do that vs a real team. Can play the same way against Fort Hays or whoever and still be well up. Being behind helps the message sink in better.
@DoubleDD I see your point I just disagree with it.
@DoubleDD You keep talking about relief and what teams have to lose. Sounds like KU hoops games might be a difficult experience for you. Hopefully not!
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@HawkChamp Missouri isn't good enough to challenge Kentucky or I think Florida is actually the best team in the SEC this year. Missouri will be in the 2nd tier with Alabama and others fighting for 3rd in the SEC this year.
Agree. A&M has potential to be third too. A&M, Bama, Missouri could all be tournament teams we will see.
Self says he and Martin agreed not to play any zone defense, just man defense every series. Says he didn't go in with much strategy
Bill Self on the game: "I thought it was certainly more intense than a lot of games we'll play prior to (Big 12 play)."
Bill Self on the Border War: "We're going to do what's best for us. We're not interested in doing what's best for Missouri."
@DoubleDD I think it seems like you care too much about local radio chucklehead talking points. I only care how much it helps KU as a team. Everything to lose? It's a basketball game.
jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
This Missouri team is pretty good.
Very true , they are like night and day from last year. - - Michael Porter is the real deal , get a little more experience should be a good year for them. -- I think they should hold their own in the SEC. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
MPJ is going to have a Durant type year.
Barnett and Robertson can hoop too.
Ya agree - -I was actually impressed with Barnett - -they were saying he use to be at Texas? - - -I don't remember that. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
He basically didn't play at UT. He was ok for Missouri last year. He will have more of a chance to shine now that MPJ will attract almost all the attention from other teams.
jayballer54 said:
Well pretty damn good exhibition - like has been said sure didn't feel like an exhibition. - - Think Doke was pretty solid for his 1st time out- 16 pts - -they said only 4 rebounds but thought he had more then that and what had to have what 3 blocks? - -Preston played pretty decent 12 points and some rebounds pretty decent for his 1st collegiate game - -Lagerald came around the 2nd half - -& Devonte was Devonte - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
If Doke puts it all together he can be the best big in college ball.
HawkChamp said:
@jayballer54 Porter was non existent in the second half except for a couple baskets. I thought we did a good job on him. They will probably challenge UK for the top spot in the SEC. Lots of talent and shooters on that team.
I don't think they can supplant UK but definitely they can finish top three.
Even if KU lost they would have learned some things. It helps to play another good team and I think this is much better than any other exhibition except MAYBE Wichita State. Whomping DII teams is meh and scrimmaging against a random other D1 team the intensity won't be there.
HawkChamp said:
I think playing a talented team in real game pressure will only help for an important early season game like against UK. I mean, their exhibition game is against Morehead State. You don't learn anything from a game like that. Missouri, on the other hand, has some serious talent, length, height and shooters. It also showed that Dok, Billy and Malik can make plays in a high pressure game like this (because honestly, all the pressure was really on KU not to lose).
I don't know why anyone would say this was a bad idea. I saw a lot of good things today.
Well said.
This was basically a real game. 7 fouls obviously changed things, but the intensity was there.
jayballer54 said:
BShark said:
This Missouri team is pretty good.
Very true , they are like night and day from last year. - - Michael Porter is the real deal , get a little more experience should be a good year for them. -- I think they should hold their own in the SEC. - - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
MPJ is going to have a Durant type year.
Barnett and Robertson can hoop too.
I think you are reading into it too much. Who cares what the Star writes?
Interested in @HighEliteMajor's reply.
Yes it was worth it. What a terrible question. Exciting event, both teams played hard.
Ask MPJ if it was "just an exhibition".
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark I didn't necessarily have a specific opponent in mind with my comment, more like whenever the refs have a tight whistle and are calling a lot of ticky tack fouls would be games where KU could run into issues.
I know what you meant. It's just we know WVU is going to be very physical and try to make it that kind of game. Dare refs to call the fouls etc...which can get in the head of officials in different ways.
Did not feel like an exhibition one bit in terms of intensity. Play was a bit sloppy but obviously it's really early.
Not playing smart the last few minutes. Also rough game for Svi.
@Texas-Hawk-10 IE the WVU game. Fortunately I don't think depth matters as much in the tourney typically. It's definitely better to sometimes ease up on D than have guys foul out.
You can not convince me that KU still loses to Oregon with a healthy Doke. Don't @ me.
Crowd is litttttt.
Also, DOKE.
Not impressed at all with the defense KU is playing in general but hey at least we are ahead now I guess.
Mitch has looked better than I thought he would though and Preston did some nice things (but also had some FR moments).
Basically nothing from Newman, Svi or Vick...
Blown said:
Streaming feed is terrible. If it weren't a fundraiser, I'd call and get my damn money back.
Truth.
Missouri is the better team for sure. Vegas knows, had them as one of the title favourites.
@kjayhawks When you play small it's harder to rebound. Should be better next year.
This Missouri team is pretty good.
@HighEliteMajor Was right, as we already knew. It would be absurd not to make this a regular season game going forward...
Look at the people trying to get into the Sprint Center right now and tell me people don't care. LOL.
Kcmatt7 said:
Should be able to play it on your laptop and just plug it into your tv using an HDMI cord.
Should be able to just use the tv since it's a smart tv but yes as long as you can connect the computer to the tv (pref HDMI) then that will work too.
@jayballer54 Was a hell of a coach. Not is. Talk to KSU people that know.
Mizzou trash ready for this exhibition game.
Yep, oline is terrible and that's where it starts. Get a better line and you can do MUCH more.
So I would argue we've seen what KSU will look like after Bill retires. It's the last 3 or so seasons...
I'd have no issue with KU having a Snyder level period of success. You don't need to be a regular NC contender to turn a profit and be relevant. This was just...a weird time to make this thread. KSU hasn't been good this year and many people with inside knowledge of the KSU program suspect that Bill Snyder isn't even really coaching anymore.
Excellent.
yawn