Crap game but the ending was even worse.
BShark
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“They thought I was the best point guard in the nation. I could come in and run the show from Day One, be that guy. Devonté (Graham) is graduating, there’s a need for a point guard. I felt I could come in and do my thing from the start.”
“I see that he did great there at KU,” Dotson said of Mason, a rookie with the Sacramento Kings and last year’s national player of the year. “I am a different player. I am Devon Dotson. I am looking to run the show and do what I can to help us win. I feel like I can make plays. If I need to score, I score. If I need to get people involved, I get people involved. I try to make plays, plays on defense, be an uptempo guard.”
“My brother and I played in the same league (with him),” Dotson said of Moore. “I think we’ll be great. I think we complement each other well.”
@JayHawkFanToo You can't forget the caveats. Has to be a 5 OAD PG or 5 OAD DOMESTIC C. :joy:
@jayballer54 No puff pieces that I've seen yet. Probably be up later today or tomorrow.
BShark said:
Yeah, the Chiefs have a Thursday game for next NFL week. Self knows what he is doing.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark Russell Robinson is still playing professional basketball. He wasn't the best scorer at KU, but he didn't need to be and he's been the best defensive PG of the Self era by far.
Back when playing defense was allowed. Not sure how he'd fare now.
Edit: Something we do agree on it seems is Charlie Moore.
dylans said:
Beaty is underwhelming, but he still needs 5-6 years to be given a true shot. He started in such a hole the first year shouldn’t count against him and the next recruiting class finally looks decent. The problem is, the on the field product isn’t improving very quickly and we all have the desire to see it fixed now!
^^^^
Tough decision but I agree with this timeframe.
@jaybate-1.0 247, ESPN, Scout, Draftexpress. Rivals does say 6'1'', maybe they need to update. He's good either way.
I'm trying to think of the nicest way to say it...
Russ Rob was...an okay player. Yeah I'll go with that.
Yeah, the Chiefs have a Thursday game for next NFL week. Self knows what he is doing.
I have my broom ready. Get wrecked Yankees.
I doubt we will ever see eye to eye on this. We will see who is right next year.
@jayballer54 Don't see Starks being any good, but if he is it is a huge indictment on this coaching staff for not evaluating properly.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@BShark Bender is an average at best QB and so is Stanley.
Agree but oline makes them look putrid.
This offense makes Bender look bad but at the same time he isn't great. Not sure KU has a good QB on the roster, but we will never really know due to the oline.
@jayballer54 Can't throw downfield if you can't pass protect fam.
justanotherfan said:
KU should be playing a dual threat athlete at QB right now. The line isn't ready to protect a pro style drop back guy. You have to have a guy that is ready and able to run and make plays with his legs.
Amen
Too many issues with this team to list them all. I don't think Beaty should be fired yet though.
@Texas-Hawk-10 I think next year will be fine regardless of Vick staying or leaving. Having guys in the program a year before playing and in the case of the Lawsons already a couple years removed from HS helps a lot. Garrett as a player's voice that knows what the coaches want is nice too. Might take a bit longer to gel but I'm not overly worried.
Disagree.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@JayHawkFanToo It was still KU's least successful team under Self by losing 10 games that season.
No PG.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Wiggins and Embiid? Went 1 and 3 in the draft...
My point is just that OAD was much less of a thing back then. Though back then I think Wiggins is a guy that would have been straight to the NBA.
@JayHawkFanToo :joy:
dylans said:
@BShark I know which class I’d take ‘05 vs ‘13 given the results. The ‘13 class is making more money, but they weren’t nearly as successful in college.
3 top 10 guys in ‘13 = 10 losses and an early exit. It was just too young of a team. I hope we don’t run into that problem again after next year.
And yes the ‘13 class on paper is def. the best class after Embiid jumped up so high late in the recruiting cycle. Selden was a bit high at #6 imho.
The big thing is how the landscape changed. If Wiggins and Embiid were 2-3 year guys the class would look a lot different. Same for if you look at just the first year for the 05 class. For this reason I really like this class so far. Dotson is a multiyear player, McCormack is likely to graduate and we should see at least two years of De Sousa.
Agree about Selden. Some people probably look at Selden as a failure due to his ranking but I think the staff did a good job with him and so far he has been hanging around the league. Dude really could not shoot when he got to KU.
So it seems that Jacobs and Adam Miller are becoming pretty tight. This really can not be a bad thing.
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BeddieKU23 said:
I couldn't even get through 3 minutes of the Ball game with Zion. Wow really that isn't basketball
AAU is derp. Thought I'd pass them along for anyone interested in seeing more of Dotson than just highlight videos though.
@BeddieKU23 Agree. Getting Dotson in for a game last year on his own dime was pretty big. I think Devon sees himself playing here much in the style Frank did.
Never said otherwise.
@KUSTEVE Just so you know, I'm rooting for the Astros.
Definitely not the same total hype or talent level but this is the first 5* true PG to be landed since Collins. So yes it is HUGE.
Very different reactions to this than say...um...Cal
BeddieKU23 said:
In regards to Jeff talking about playing time I mean what 5 start PG wants to play behind an established PG already in the program who isn't a threat for the NBA right now. It's kind of what happened to KU in the last 2 cycles. Maryland didn't fit his plan and he went somewhere else. The saltiness is expected but there Mod is a complete troll
Yep. Sometimes it's really simple. Dotson wanted PT and a blueblood. KU offered both. Last year the staff targeted Sexton and Young hard but with Newman lying in wait and Graham a possibility to come back it was always a tough sell.
Also in hindsight it sure looks like Florida made the soul read on Dotson with the way they quickly went for other PGs after his visit. If the Maryland staff couldn't do the same that's on them. Hindsight being what it is and all, the signs were there with the MD visit. Didn't play pick-up ball with the team and other recruits. Sure seemed like a #freevisit with his boy Wiggins.
BeddieKU23 said:
I'm glad I don't have to go back to that board its really bad how people attack Dotson and his family for not picking them. I know it happens everywhere but its sad to see. We never went to those lengths here about Trae Young or Ayton.. Jeez
I'm sure twitter was a shit show with Ayton but this board and the shiver both handled that pretty well.
I think people were more upset about Young, mainly because Matt Scott lied to everyone, basically at the request of the Youngs...
@wissox Yeah, it's a real issue imo.
dylans said:
It has been slim pickings early lately: Ellis? Selden? Peters, Frankamp, Lightfoot, Jacobs, Garrett, Oubre, Alexander.
The hyperbole about KU’s best class ever (not @buckets but elsewhere) is a bit pre-mature. The Chalmers, Rush, Arthur, Downs class was pretty nice. Esp. Following another top 5 class with all the players returning.
13 on paper was the best single class under Self. With my post I meant since 13 which is why I stopped at 14. Self cleaned up in 13 when he needed a big class and had many clear spots available, just like he has started to do again.
Arthur was not in the same class as Chalmers and Rush. He was one year later. Juju was in the Rush/Chalmers class.
Also I don't think listing RTs/donks like Peters and Frankamp is in your favour. :wink:
@Kcmatt7 Oh I am hardcore #teamrobotumps
@drgnslayr We move on and don't care about it because it's a scrimmage. Mizzfans are dumb and wouldn't shut up about it that's for sure though.
Kcmatt7 said:
Being able to bring Big Dave and De Sousa off the bench would be absolutely amazing.
I still can't believe the start to this recruiting season. Closing guys we actually want is a strange feeling. I'm used to those 3 or 4 misses, Matt Scott telling me we will get guy #5 because we prioritized him and that was who the staff actually wanted all along and then missing on them and taking option #6. At least lately that has been the feeling.
Yeah this is pretty surreal. If you look at guys that were early period commits with no other factors (ie Preston being a back-up plan, a great one, but a back-up plan to Ayton) then we are looking at...
2017: Marcus Garrett (great relationship with his HS coach never considered elsewhere once KU got serious)
2016: Mitch Lightfoot (lifelong KU fan LOL)
2015: crickets
2014: Cliff (no comment), Oubre (loved KU, but staff did close him without him taking his UK visit so there is that)
So really, you are not wrong. It's been awhile.
@dylans Not sure WSU would do it.
For the record I would be against a clock/time limit in baseball but I can understand why people would want it.
@FarmerJayhawk Win a lot of games probably. shit eating grin
But yeah, I feel ya on your point.
What in the actual bleep is going on in this thread right now?
@dylans Read the article, there are not 300 teams. The realistic options are teams within bus range. 100% would rather do it with UMKC though.
dylans said:
Wasn’t Selby a point guard? Underwhelming OAD.
2G that thought he was a point.
Ohhhhh Jeffffffy
"Ayala isn't as dynamic as Dotson, but he's a big, tough and competitive player who can defend both guard spots. And perhaps most important, he's an ego-free player who's all about Maryland. There will be no playing time or chemistry concerns with Ayala, which might not have been the case with Dotson. That's not to rationalize that he's got as high an upside -- one of a five-star for a reason, but there's something to be said for fit. Ayala is the nation's No. 76 player and held offers from Syracuse, Oregon, Miami and others."
Full article here for those with VIP that would want to read it: https://maryland.247sports.com/Article/Maryland-Basketball-Recruiting--108871804 ↗