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BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.

Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.

Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.

Watch that sentiment change. I think KJ has thrown a ton of misdirection at Maryland. He'll end up at Texas before Maryland and I think Kentucky is just going to show him he's their guy. That's how I see it

He waited until minutes before the Dotson announcement, so it will be awhile. :joy:

Looks like Maryland a major player for one time target Jarius Hamilton. Remember his coach was a huge KU fan. A lot of programs went the other way on him after his poor summer. Tools to be a top 100 player but he certainly didn't play like one this summer. Maryland after someone to replace KJ I think

Clickbait Jimmy tells me MD would take both. Just like they would have taken Dotson and Ayala no doubt.

Oh and agree about Hamilton in general he played himself OUT of big offers this summer with his horrible shooting.

Kcmatt7 said:

But long story short, there is somewhat of a trend... I think Herro will need to be able to play some D or score at multiple levels in order to succeed under Self.

Pretty sure we are on the exact same page.

Kcmatt7 said:

@BShark It would be hard to make a case against that. I'm definitely one of those "bird in the hand" types of guys.

However, I have my reservations about 6'5 sharp shooters in Self's system. Svi has not looked like we expected, BG was ran out of town, Andrew White was recruited right over, Alex Galindo didn't last, Giddens was never consistent before his incident, and Micah Downs bolted. It is almost like Self's break them down to build them up approach doesn't work with guys who are just shooters because their psyche is more fragile or something.

Svi actually isn't really a sharp shooter though. He's been doing more things and he has always kinda been a volume type guy. Now Frank in his SR year, that was :moneybag:

BG and AWIII were not athletic enough to thrive under Self. I'll tell you though that AWIII was not ran out of town. :helicopter: dad situation.

Anyway I do somewhat agree with you on the general take. I think if KU is considering him they need to take a long hard look in regards to if they feel he is athletic enough to get minutes for Self.

Before anyone mentions Brady it's obvious why he played.

BeddieKU23 said:

@Kcmatt7

Good points, it might be beneficial that Zion waits until spring. Still a lot of moving parts as you have laid out some of them.

I think the two things work in our favor, Dotson and the previous wings that have come through this program recently. Self does cater his offenses around these types of guys so I don't think Duke and Kentucky can get away with negatively recruiting against Self in that regard. Dotson also was a player that had excellent chemistry with Zion and Zion would know what type of player would be setting up his shots and running the team.

This is the heavyweight recruitment we can definitely win. It seems unlikely but I wouldn't be shocked either

Adidas did work getting that pairing to happen for a tournament. Not saying it wasn't all above board but they did work.

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

BeddieKU23 said:

I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.

Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.

Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.

Watch that sentiment change. I think KJ has thrown a ton of misdirection at Maryland. He'll end up at Texas before Maryland and I think Kentucky is just going to show him he's their guy. That's how I see it

He waited until minutes before the Dotson announcement, so it will be awhile. :joy:

BeddieKU23 said:

I think the smart money is on KJ ending up at Kentucky after pushing that announcement back.

Crazy that Herro isn't going to be a Badger. He's real good and it sounds like he knows it.

Clickbait Jimmy assures me it's MD and that the dad loves MD.

@Kcmatt7 Btw as for Herro I think KU should take his commitment if he wants to give it over waiting around for Romeo. Talented multi-year guy.

@Kcmatt7 I think Grimes and KJ are mutually exclusive. Just my read on the situation. I also think UK is making a power play with KJ because they know where they stand with Grimes. MAYBE WISHFUL THINKING ON MY PART.

Don't think that situation is remotely possible.

Just clarifying the point. Doke returning likely would mean Zion plays the 3 almost exclusively. I think he ends up at UK though.

Well I seriously doubt he is a take for Duke now. If he ever was.

My condolences @wissox looks like he dumped Wisconsin to play at a blue blood. Kid is a lights out shooter. Would take.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@FarmerJayhawk

Udoka plays center while Zion is a PF; perhaps you are thinking of Billy Preston that also plays forward.

The point is you would want to start Doke, Dedric and Zion I imagine. Which creates spacing issues.

@kjayhawks Agree. I think they would if they could.

@Crimsonorblue22 He said it right!

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2019 G Keyon Thomas visiting Saturday. KS kid from Bonner.

This is different or something because NCAA. At least I vaguely remember reading/hearing.

RockkChalkk said:

BShark said:

If certain people are to be believed including Slater, Dotson and Grimes were both pretty much worst kept secret practically committed to KU. Now Dotson actually is committed and Grimes moves up his decision timetable after visiting KU. :thinking:

Where did you see this? I didn't catch that story anywhere, would love to read up on this tidbit if you have a link or something. Thanks.

Article on Kansas 247 site.

https://kansas.247sports.com/Article/Quentin-Grimes-his-family-enjoyed-their-time-at-Kansas-109004777 ↗

Don't think it's legal but I could be wrong and talking out my ass right now.

dylans said:

@BShark wish you were talking about Zion.

Grimes. I wish with Zion too, lol.

Schools that aren't KU on his list are window dressing. Don't @ meeeeeeeeeeee.

BeddieKU23 said:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2017/oct/16/tom-keegan-playing-eddie-sutton-disciple-prepared-/ ↗

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Great story. Really just reaffirms my thoughts that Garrett is going to be a guy that just finds minutes.

Alexander was kinda coming along and also probably would have stayed for a 2nd year if he could have. I think his situation was quite different than Diallo.

I think...or at least hope...that Self has learned from what happened with Bragg already. Based on things he and Preston have said about where he will be playing on the court. Bragg just WASN'T a low post guy. Self thought he should have been because of his size and tried to force it. Bragg wasn't even bad last year when he got to play...

https://sports.yahoo.com/adam-silver-right-calling-end-one-done-rule-170421752.html ↗

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Free advertising. :joy:

Every single school.

Zenger said KU will be fine, lol.

BeddieKU23 said:

Love the use of not chasing the Athletic dragon. Big Dave is certainly not that. Year 2 and 3 and possibly 4 will be fun to see out of him.

Still think Carey would have been just as ideal a recruit but after Self waved the flag at Peach Jam on him for others he probably got the hint he wasn't leaving the East Coast. I know Norm was big on him as well, going to suck seeing him in an Orange uniform playing zero defense and putting up buckets.

I wasn't as high on Ayo due to his shooting concerns but he definitely fit the athletic guard we usually seek. Doesn't look like even with his connection to Charlie we pursued enough and obviously we can assume that we were just in a much better position for Dotson/Grimes that we didn't need scare them off by going hard after others..?

Maybe the staff learned from Diallo. He was super athletic but he was dead set on being OAD and didn't have the skill/smarts to play for Self much year one. Bad combination...

Maybe a change in philosophy. SDS is plenty athletic but I don't think he is locked into being a OAD. Especially with the way his stock fell (was top 5).

Fully believe KU could have got Carey if that's the way the staff wanted to go. But the staff went hard elsewhere. I think he would have been a good fit as well. Dotson is a fantastic fit though and Grimes is a must take legacy with insane potential.

I'd put Ayo a shade below Dotson. Should be a fantastic multiyear player.

If certain people are to be believed including Slater, Dotson and Grimes were both pretty much worst kept secret practically committed to KU. Now Dotson actually is committed and Grimes moves up his decision timetable after visiting KU. :thinking:

BeddieKU23 said:

Funny thing is KU finished 2nd for Tyus and Okafor. Imagine if Tyus was a KU guy and his brother ended up a hawk because of that connection. Seems likely it would have happened if that sequence of events years ago played out that way

Seemed like, without any inside knowledge of the situation that Tyus was really pro Duke and Okafor was big on KU but ultimately we know who won out there...

BeddieKU23 said:

BShark said:

@BeddieKU23 One thing about Devon is he isn't a true NC kid. I don't know the exact timeline for when the family moved there but he mentioned knowing Charlie Moore previously.

Definitely I don't think there is a clear cut best PG in this group. Nor is there really a OAD caliber but I could see some being OAD anyway, particularly Quickly. Jones, Dotson, Garland, Quickly, Quinerly, Nembhard, all should be excellent PGs in college.

Good point, he was a Chicago native until HS I believe? Probably helped him from being a Duke/UNC target growing up through the NC system.

Agree about Quickley, don't see him as a multi-year player. I don't see him as the same type of PG as Fox, Wall, Rose but obviously going to Kentucky he's part of the machine for 8 months and he's gotta go. Wouldn't have minded him in a KU uniform either, sounds like we definitely gave him something to consider as his recruitment winded down..

Agree this class has excellent College potential. I kind of like to see classes where you get a ton of depth that will likely be around a while to make an impact. There is well over a dozen or so of those guards out there in 2018. Going to be important class for Colleges in general

Yeah. Some people are down on the class in terms of the NBA but that just means more of these players should be sticking around as foundation pieces.

@AsadZ Kind of discouraging that the DC came out and said they won't change anything if they play the Steelers again.

JayHawkFanToo said:

@BShark

Very helpful summary. Looks like KU is in good shape in the near future but the League will be down as I just don't see top players coming in to schools other than KU...at least not yet.

I believe the 2017 tracker looks lot better with several top 50 prospects joining the Conference.

Definitely. ISU, TCU and Texas all had really good classes last year.

BeddieKU23 said:

jayballer54 said:

@BeddieKU23 See, that is something I always thought was kind of strange to about Devon. - -NC - -or Duke neither one was in the running - EVER , for some reason whether it was them or just Devon or maybe a combination of both. It's ok though you sure don't hear me complaining lol. Just glad we landed him. - -Feel pretty good about Quinten wish we could get him in the early period but doesn't look like it. - -ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

Roy took 2 guards early especially Colby White who played the same position. I think because they took those guys early and with Felton & Woods on the roster already playing time was going to be an issue. Plus you had the looming NCAA investigation.. .

With Duke they had Garland and Jones at the top of their list and Dotson was just a secondary option coming into the AAU season. It never seemed like Dotson wanted to be anyone's fall back plan which was important for KU and Self having a chance with him. I think that hurt Maryland as well which lost out on local star Prentiss Hubb and then decided to recruit Dotson after (right around the time his friend Wiggins signed with them). Once Tre Jones showed he was "Duke's guy" even Garland became less of an option (and now eliminated them) once RJ Barrett became the prime target for them after moving into 2018. I don't think Duke knew Dotson would improve enough to be at the Elite Level that Garland was already at. I think Duke just missed on him and that is KU's gain.
Dotson liked Duke and I think he always wanted to play at a blue-blood type school.

I'm certainly not trying to say we landed Dotson because the 2 elite home schools didn't want him. Maybe one could say neither put in the attention needed to land him so he looked out of state but I do feel confident that the relationship Self and Norm built with him kept him from staying home or closer to home. That unofficial visit he took last season is proving to be probably the biggest advantage we took to land him. He saw everything KU and everything since then just reinforced what he knew.

Kids wanna play. KU did a great job making Dotson "the guy". If Duke would have prioritized him who knows, but they basically had to take Tre Jones, which took that off the table.

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

After this weekend, Grimes is about as locked on KU as it can get, barring something really bizarre like Newman coming back. He may not sign early, but he’ll be in crimson and blue.

We certainly hope so. Pushing back the visit to a weekend they could focus on him and him alone could end up being the best decision.

I like the approach the Staff has taken this cycle. It feels different. Landed De Sousa out of the blue, made Big Dave a priority in the summer and into the fall. Stayed on Dotson hard for over a year. Doing the same with Grimes. We are definitely not sweating it out this fall like years past.

Locking in on McCormack and not chasing the athletic dragon was a great decision imo.

So much of recruiting is identifying who the staff thinks they can land. Looks genius when it works and it all makes sense now how the staff dropped off with Carey and Ayo when Dotson did seem extremely solid w/ KU. We heard how it was "commit watch" with Dotson awhile back. Could be he just wanted to be thorough or take more visits.

@BeddieKU23 One thing about Devon is he isn't a true NC kid. I don't know the exact timeline for when the family moved there but he mentioned knowing Charlie Moore previously.

Definitely I don't think there is a clear cut best PG in this group. Nor is there really a OAD caliber but I could see some being OAD anyway, particularly Quickly. Jones, Dotson, Garland, Quickly, Quinerly, Nembhard, all should be excellent PGs in college.

AsadZ said:

It seemed as if Chiefs were looking forward to TNF, came out totally flat on both ends. Hopefully this loss will ignite some fire for a long run from here on out

It's a bad match-up tbh with all the defensive speed the Steelers have.

@JayHawkFanToo Heh. I'm not going to be banning people right and left. But if all that is done is antagonizing other members I think there at least needs to be a discussion.

For those interested in the talent coming into the league I am compiling this information into one post for your viewing pleasure. KU will be listed first because DUH and then alphabetical order.

Rankings will be 247 comp/247/rivals/espn. Rankings among all recruits, not position group.

Kansas

Devon Dotson 6'2'' PG 24/19/17/26

Silvio De Sousa 6'9'' PF/C 31/31/25/28

David McCormack 6'9'' C 39/26/33/33

Quentin Grimes 6'5'' G 16/17/11/13

Ochai Agbaji 6'6'' SF 305/331/NR/NR

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Baylor

Matthew Mayer 6'7'' SF 64/71/80/57

Darius Allen 6'5'' SG JUCO

Flo Thamba 6'9''C 170/198/NR/NR

Ibrahim Ali 6'9'' PF NR/NR/NR/NR

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Iowa State

Zion Griffin 6'6'' PF 135/75/94/NR

Tyrese Haliburton 6'5'' PG 149/253/149/no profile

George Conditt 6'10'' PF 219/131/NR/no profile

Talen Horton-Tucker 6'5'' wing 108/165/54/4*

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Kansas State

Shaun Williams 6'1'' PG 453/447/no profile/no profile

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Oklahoma

Jamal Bieniemy 6'3'' SG 128/104/135/NR

Kur Kuath 6'9'' SF JUCO

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Oklahoma State

Duncan Demuth 6'8'' PF 316/365/NR/NR

Yor Anei 6'9'' PF NR/254/NR/NR

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TCU

Kaden Archie 6'6'' SF 107/128/85/no profile

Kendric Davis 5'11'' PG 137/79/107/NR

Russell Barlow 6'7'' C 226/168/NR/NR

Yuat Alok 6'10'' C JUCO

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Texas

Gerald Liddell 6'6'' SF 40/48/43/40

Brock Cunningham 6'7'' SF 123/105/NR/NR

Jaxson Hayes 6'10'' PF 229/163/137/NR

Kamaka Hepa 6'9'' PF 50/51/46/62

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Texas Tech

Kyler Edwards 6'4'' SG 220/132/NR/NR

Deshawn Corprew 6'5'' SF JUCO

Khavon Moore 6'8'' SF 73/51/44/39

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West Virginia

Derek Culver 6'8'' PF 95/80/89/NR

Jordan McCabe 5'10'' PG 125/81/139/84

Trey Doomes 6'3'' SG 179/223/NR/no profile

Andrew Gordon 6'10'' PF/C JUCO

@BeddieKU23 Yeah I do think Dotson and Moore are a pretty good fit, though it's a small line-up defensively. Moore isn't really a pure PG, but he can shoot it. Dotson needs to work on his shot (what a great choice he made, coming to KU) but he is a guy that has the ball on a string and can penetrate to score or dish.

Believe it or don't but he was this staff's TOP PG target and they evaluated all the top guys. Though perhaps Tre Jones being never remotely possible was not considered.

It sure seems like the staff has assuaged some of the Grimes family concerns re: Newman since they are literally bumping up the time table right after his KU visit.

To tell everyone how much the staff wants Grimes, Bill gave the family a tour of the campus himself. Kid is a priority recruit.

I think I'd rather have SR Vick than FR Romeo but either option is good.

@jaybate-1.0 It's like if you had an old friend that is an addict. Oh I've really cleaned up this time, they say. Okay I'll trust you THIS ONCE we can meet up, just show up sober. Then they show up, high on meth. That's Missouri.

jaybate 1.0 said:

This game with Fizzou is just having sex with your ex-wife after both of you meet up 10 years later at the hospital waiting room seeing a dying relative. Mortality and time passage make you both forget how much you hated each other. Hollywood movies work this sick cliche endlessly. But this isn’t a movie and Fizzourah was the worst thing that ever happened to KU basketball.

If Bill were really serious about raising money, then sell “Muck Fizzou” t-shirts at the game along with fifths of McCormack’s Whiskey with labels reading: “DRINK ME AND THROW ME AT THE MU COACH FOR CHARITY! MUCK FIZZOU!”

Ah for the bad old days!

Don’t do it!

Abusive relationships are sick!

DON’T PLAY FIZZOU AGAIN!!!!

This is good. :joy:

I wouldn't worry too much about playing them again. Self seems mad that Missouri peopled leaked it first even though it was his idea.

approxinfinity said:

I unbanned @globaljaybird. Please stop antagonizing people. The nitpicking has to stop.

Weird, that shouldn't have been necessary. I set it to two hours so it should have just rolled right off by the time of this post.

@jayballer54 There is a puff piece up on the shiver but it's VIP. Something new though is his mom said they'd like for him to announce before the new year.

All cases result in no punishment. Not enough evidence.

@jaybate-1.0 S'all good jb. I enjoyed it. Laughed.

@globaljaybird Your request for moderation has been granted.

@globaljaybird Maybe calm down?

Self's comments about Moore are not all that encouraging from a PG perspective. I think Garrett is a kid that will get minutes but not by starting at PG. It sure seems from his comments that the staff thinks Devon will start. However all that said you never know for sure until the games start.

I do get where you are coming from on it. In basketball recruiting typically verbals are extremely solid (though there are exceptions) so it is likely they suit up for KU making them current-ish players.

I view it as recruiting news but if anyone wants to make threads in the main section that seems totally fine.

Somebody spilled a drink on jaybates keyboard.

Frustrated is too strong a word. It's amusing.