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@Statmachine

I'm just trying to determine the "walk-on" level players that KU has given scholarships too over the last 5 years aside from Maxwell. 2012 was rough I can concede that, so that's the cut off point. After that, recruiting has been pretty damn good lately, even if some players didn't work out.

Like @JayHawkFanToo said I also wonder what Self could do differently. Sometimes you just lose the battle. Sexton and Young were both told you can be the starting PG for friggin KU and they both said "no thanks, I'll stay home". The staff identified Garrett early and prioritized him over other, actually more highly rated wings like Troy Brown. This is exactly the kind of smart move I think you are hoping for, because Garrett is a hell of a player that should be around for 3-4 years and appears to be very coachable, where as Troy Brown thinks he is OAD and a PG despite having a terrible jumper. We could break down every kid KU missed on this year because there are a lot, but I don't see the point. Unless you are Duke these days you miss. Yes even the mighty Kentucky has given a real, commitable offer to quite a few kids they haven't landed over the last 3 classes. Should Self promise playing time? Maybe but that's not his game unless the kid is a top 25 type talent, he tries to be more honest. Should he be like Cal and tell post players they are going to play the 3/SF? I think there are reasonable criticisms to be made, I'm just curious as to where you think Self needs to change Statsy.

@JayHawkFanToo

Yep. Lottery goes to what 14 I think? I think he should be top 10, he is a very good fit for the modern NBA.

@Statmachine

Evan Maxwell was the only WTF scholarship recently imo*. Self took a sub 50 ranked player (at the time of commitment) in the early signing period in the last two classes. 2012 was really the last class that was a disaster. 11 and 12 put the program in a position where KU lacked good depth and upperclassman and led to early tournament losses in 13-14 and 14-15. We had a LOT of misses this year, on guys that KU was in good with too, that won't happen every year and Self still recovered nicely. Hell he got Preston in the fall after missing on Ayton.

*The only recent walk-on level scholarship I can think of recently and he was very quickly sent on his way.

@Hawk8086

Oh yeah he SHOULD go pro. Marcus Smart 2.0 here.

@dylans

Tough question. They are both so different. I'd love to get both and not have say Coleby. But saying that's impossible, I'd prefer Tilmon. If we were assured 3+ seasons out of Tilmon, the decision is even easier. Tilmon will just be such a defensive presence.

@KUSTEVE said in Thoughts on Graham/Svi decision:

@BShark Are we signing Shakur?

Feels like the staff would take the first to commit between Shakur and Tilmon.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Thoughts on Graham/Svi decision:

@KUSTEVE he's going to is this weekend. He will sure help them out. I hope we get him.

Yep. I hope he doesn't commit on the visit.

@KUSTEVE

I think Oubre kind of gets lost in the shuffle but he was pretty damn good. Would have been special if he stuck around. Not surprised he has stuck in the league so far. Playing this year too, about 20 minutes a night and almost every game.

I wish BMac was at a better franchise than the friggin Kings.

@Crimsonorblue22

Seems to be gone. I miss it!

@brooksmd said in A's vs Royals -- Game #2:

@Crimsonorblue22 So you pick me out in the pic?

I mean clearly you are the dog. Typing must be tricky.

@brooksmd said in A's vs Royals -- Game #2:

@BShark Early yet.

Yep. Hoping it's just early season doldrums.

Not giving up yet, but give me another month at THIS level of play and I'll get there probably.

And yeah count me in the group that believes Oubre simply didn't play enough. He was one of the three best players on that team (with Mason and Perry). His minutes should have more or less been flip-flopped with Selden's minutes that year. That and Jamari over Cheick (at least early on) are probably the last things Self has done that I strongly disagreed with. Not sure Self ever really figured out that team, the minute distribution was really weird, like he was throwing stuff at the wall to see what would stick. Too many options I guess. Anyway, weird tangent over.

@jayballer54

Best player Gonzaga landed in recruiting. He might be a top 10 pick.

I'm saying he would make the most sense if the staff felt they needed room. Like I said earlier I think the staff was prepared for him to leave given that they took on two more wings in recruiting.

He definitely hit some threes, but Svi giveth and Svi taketh away seemed to be how it worked last year. He wasn't particularly efficient nor was he good defensively. The team really wasn't as a whole, but I think he was pretty easily the worst defender that played major minutes. He was, essentially, marginally better than Vick offensively. He simply shot a lot more threes than Vick, so he had more points.

I think Svi/Vick/Cunliffe are all fairly marginal wings (at least, compared to what we've been spoiled with in X, Wiggs, Oubre and Josh). I don't think any of them is more likely to break out than the other next year. Though I am the most intrigued by Cunliffe simply because he was surrounded by worse talent at ASU than he will be at Kansas.

@JayHawkFanToo

I'm not convinced Svi particular progressed much from he SO to JR year so much as he simply played more, therefore more stats. If you extrapolate his SO numbers, it's not a stretch to say he could have reached his JR numbers that year with more playing time.

All that said, I'm not opposed to Svi returning (not that my opinion on it really matters) and I wish him the best regardless of what he decides.

Problem solving. :smile:

@approxinfinity Thanks again for running the site.

@approxinfinity

Virus emojis. :100:

@approxinfinity When my laptop explodes, I know who to blame. :tongue:

@approxinfinity said in SVI WILL TEST THE WATERS:

@BShark hm. can you trust that connection?

Ha! Yeah I added an exception for KUBUCKETS.

:basketball_player_tone3:

@approxinfinity said in SVI WILL TEST THE WATERS:

When you guys click on this does it load?

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Oddly enough when I go to this page I get an UNTRUSTED CONNECTION splash page. That may be the issue for me.

@approxinfinity said in SVI WILL TEST THE WATERS:

@JayHawkFanToo ctrl-f5, no dice?

Just refreshed, still nothing.

@approxinfinity said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:

@BShark Holy crap, i've been staring at your thread title for a week and I just looked up what Crootin meant on urban dictionary. lol. I whiffed on that one!

Laughing pretty good.

@JayHawkFanToo said in SVI WILL TEST THE WATERS:

@approxinfinity

Don't see emojis on Firefox only colons and letters.

Same here I am using a browser based on an older, lighter version of firefox.

@JayHawkFanToo said in SVI WILL TEST THE WATERS:

@BShark

Sorry, I was probably answering a different post but I am having problems scrolling up without reloading the page.

Yeah this seems to be an issue with the update.

@JayHawkFanToo

That's what I said?

@drgnslayr

Maybe in an exhibition. Maybe.

@BeddieKU23

Yep. If he ends up coming to KU and being similar to say, WCS for us, I'd be fine with that.

Saw that he was a 5 on ESPN and Rivals and was moved down to a 4 to both.

@BeddieKU23

He committed super early too, when everyone in the world thought Ayton was coming to KU. In that situation he would have never seen the floor at all his first year. Now, he can definitely be the back-up center for this team.

And yeah for anyone wondering about the bad SR year comment it's no joke. He is likely to fall in the final rankings of each of the services. Not sure where he was in Rivals before but 43 seems like a drop.

@Hawk8086

Maybe after a not so great SR year he realized he needs some development before being thrown into the fire.

@BeddieKU23 said in SVI WILL TEST THE WATERS:

@BShark

Well when you recruit 7 post players over him he got the message LOL.

Might make Kentucky more attractive for Bamba now..

Really thought he would transfer but I suppose it makes more sense to get paid if you can.

@Blown said in SVI WILL TEST THE WATERS:

Andrew White III

Was not forced out by Self.

@Kcmatt7

Don't think so. His recruitment accelerated early while KU was still involved with better post prospects.

@BeddieKU23

I almost mentioned Humphries. Don't see him in the NBA.

@Kcmatt7

Tharpe and Greene were nudged to "go pro". So it has happened. Not quite the same thing here with Svi though. Svi is going out on good terms.

I think the staff was expecting Svi to go, given he almost went last year. So they took Garrett and Cunliffe.

@Blown

The list is long, and has a new name this year: Bragg.

@Blown

Garrett, Vick, Cunliffe, Svi.

That's a lot of wings, the staff has made he clear they want a third ball handling guard be it Duval/Waters/Allen.

@Blown said in SVI WILL TEST THE WATERS:

Why wouldn't you test? It gets you direct feedback from scouts.

The concerning part for me is the way his statement started off. I get the feeling if it's not to the NBA, it's to Europe.

Might not entirely be Svi's decision. Or Self might have just gently recommended he go pro.

This is 100% conjecture, not known knowledge or anything.

I have family that are MSU alumni and donors. They seemed pretty convinced shortly after the season ended that this was always a possibility and that it's not Izzo's doing. This kid loves MSU.

@Kcmatt7

Staff wants to add two players. I posted in another thread about how he makes the most sense by far and he should land on his feet.

I forget...let's talk...

Kid just cancelled his meetings with various NBA agents. Strongly considering coming back. MSU insiders seem to think he will be now. MSU SAAAAALTY next year.

@BeddieKU23

Yeah Wigginton will be a good one for ISU. Surprised to see Allen crack the top 100.

@JayHawkFanToo said in Crootin Thread III, Wherein Some Players Probably Commit to KU:

@BeddieKU23

I would be surprised if Tilmon does not end up at Missouri.

We will see, KU def in it.

Svi gone.

@mayjay

A kid that wasn't interested in KU.

Note that a lot of KU announcements are just done on twitter.

And yeah the scholarship situation suddenly got a lot more crowded.

@BeddieKU23

I feel fairly confident that Graham and Newman are likely getting about 33mpg. Vick and Cunliffe are going to be around 22-25 minute players. That's a lot of back court minutes taken up. Of course early on Cunliffe's minutes will need to go elsewhere. Definitely need a 6th guard (5th before Cunliffe can play and yes I would have Waters behind Garrett) but is he willing to do that. That's a lot easier I would think for Allen that hasn't been as highly touted to accept.

@Statmachine

Doke might be gone after next year and I'd rather have Grimes than a PG transfer but overall, I like your thinking.

@dylans

Memphis was a 5 alarm tire fire. Dedric was extremely efficient and KJ a lot more middling. But outside of those two they have a guy that is a 6th man for a good team (Markel Crawford) for their third best player, another similar guard as the 4th guy and it was a steep drop right off a cliff after that.

@BeddieKU23

If he is willing to tough it out, fight for minutes and stick around then long term he would be the best guard KU could realistically add at this point.

If he picks KU or UConn then it's to be the PG of the future. Not sure I like that as much as getting Dotson/Grimes in 18, but a bird in the hand and all that.

@BeddieKU23

Interesting, very interesting. Last time MS posted he was saying KU still wasn't involved. I'm not sure Waters would get as many minutes as he would hope for next year at KU.

@BeddieKU23

I think it's extremely likely that both end up here (especially if KJ sticks around and JRE is about as big of a KU lean as they come), but they are fairly similar players (though JRE is built a bit better at this point). Certainly neither would be turned down.

@BeddieKU23

Interesting situation. Chandler is REALLY REALLY good, but so is JRE. Can KU take both? I hope so.

Plus no offense to Svi at all but he is entirely replaceable by players already on the roster. It will be a bit spotty until Cunliffe is ready to go but Cunliffe and Vick is plenty at the wing. Imo we are definitely looking at Garrett being the 4th guard until Cunliffe is eligible.