@kjayhawks said:
Bigs dont look good but if our guards play like this it wont matter
Don't mind Doke tonight at all. FTs are what they are but he has manned the interior well defensively and is taking up space on that end and creating space on the other end as LBSU does not want another UDUNKA show.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Vick definitely having one of those games today where you think he might be our best player
Next year he may actually be.
@BeddieKU23 said:
doke just destroyed a guy. hope hes okay
With a trident. He may want to lay low for awhile.
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
@BShark get doke going
LBSU just collapses on Doke when he gets the ball. 3+ guys. IT's kind of funny
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
@DanR last game we had dunks, take what they give us
Yeah LBSU is daring KU to shoot threes so there is that.
haha Doke
If Vick, Svi, Mason or Graham is open at the 3 pt line I feel that is a good offensive possession.
Jeez Frank
@BeddieKU23 said:
that was after he had a nice block a few possessions before. His long arms make up for what he doesn't have in lift right now
Definitely still a better option than Lucas. He could actually be pretty damn good once that knee gets fully right, which may not be until next season I know some knee injuries do take 2 years to fully recover.
@BeddieKU23 said:
first time i've gotten mad at Coleby. he stood there on that rebound. be aggressive Dwight!!
Agree. That was rough. Still labouring with that knee
@HawkChamp said:
@BShark fouling is a strategy but not a good one because it can put the other team in the bonus sooner. Can't do it frequently if at all
I think the biggest thing it means is we can't play Doke potentially down the stretch in tight games.
Move the ball get buckets. SHOCKING.
two open threes for KU on that poss much better offense
@BeddieKU23 said:
and doke is the worst FT shooter in the history of KU bball. at least it was a known weakness coming in. I think he was 30% in AAU
Definitely a known issue. Hack a Doke could become a thing. Esp when in the 1-1.
@HawkChamp said:
How do we look? I might not be able to watch tonight
Feel like it should be 18-8 but it's 18-13 as LBSU has hit two absurd off balance shots at the end of the shot clock.
Can't even imagine this team without Josh.....
these buzzer beaters....
Offense is meh
vick is guuud
@jayballer54 said:
@BShark Good Idea lol
It's basically Tigerboard except they have a good team. Just brutal.
@BeddieKU23 said:
Interesting to note that scouts are already aware of Vick. Good chance he doesn't make it 4 years here with his athleticism and his continued improvement. A consistent jumper away from next year being a possible 1st round pick. Agree?
Very real chance he gets drafted after next year assuming he will be our starting wing.
Their enrollment numbers have taken a huge beating. Could be really brutal for them if they can't turn it around. Not that I'd mind that...
@BeddieKU23 said:
It's very appealing for him to go to OU though. Home school, style of play fits him, PG spot opening with Woodard leaving. Little competition standing in his way.
If he wants more which very well could be the case then your right he'll end up somewhere else. Not sure if that somewhere means KU or UK. Hope its KU, Self and his entire staff have really put a lot of time into this kid. They followed him all summer, they went full staff to his game the other day. It's clear that Self really wants this kid and it would suck to lose out on yet another target that the staff spent a lot of time on. Young is one of the best shooter's I've ever seen on the HS level and looking at next year's projected squad we will need him.
Self told him he would play huge minutes too.
@JayHawkFanToo said:
I respectfully disagree. I divide coaching into two areas, the actual on the court, X and Os coaching and the recruiting. This phenomenon is prevalent mostly in Division I college since recruiting is less important in the lower division and in the NBA, the General Manager has a lot more influence on who is part of the team than the coach.
Now, most elite programs have personnel that does the bulk of the recruiting and the HC is what we might consider the closer. Without the recruiting personnel doing the ground work and identifying prospects, the HC is not nearly as successful. KU has two outstanding recruiters in Roberts and Townsend and both have been selected as top recruiters by publication at various times; Snacks...not so much. Without these coaches, KU would not recruit nearly as successfully as it does; no question that Coach Self closing the deal goes a long, long way. No question that recruiting -wise KU has a big advantage over KSU.
As far as recruiting to Manhattan/KSU and Lawrence/KU not being that different, I just have to ask...have you been to Manhattan? First, no question that KU has a huge edge in history and tradition, second AFH is the Cathedral of Basketball and considerably better than the Octagon of Boredom; 16,000 Jayhawk fans will always be leaps and bound better than 12,000 KSU fans and the accommodations for basketball players are arguably the best in the country; huge advantage KU. Next, Manhattan is a nice country town literally in the middle of nowhere and with little appeal to elite prospects, the closest big town, if you can call it that. is Topeka which is one hour away and provides very little over Manhattan; as they say, how do you know when you are in Manhattan? When you smell it your are near, when you step on it...you are there. Lawrence, on the other hand is a more cosmopolitan town and basically a suburb of Kansas City, a real big city with a lot more appeal to elite prospects; from my home in Olathe it takes me roughly 20 minutes to downtown Lawrence...big edge to Lawrence over Manhattan.
I am not even going to address the coaches a we know KU has a gigantic advantage in that area as well.
This is of course just my opinion and I would like to know on what you base your premise that they are not that different.
I have been to Manhattan and Lawrence (of course). I think to most coastal kids neither is that attractive.
I will agree that recruiting is 90% the coaching staff. Now there will be some kids that it is their dream school but the coaches put in a lot of work.
Pro-tip: Don't read rupps rafters.
If they win (presumably in Waco) I was figuring it would be because Motley and Acuil are unstoppable for them offensively. But yeah, lots of time for Self to get stuff fixed.
Recruiting is part of being a coach. It's not all of it, but, it's a big part because you play the players that you recruit as a coach. Weber hasn't won a lick with players he recruited and that has to be a factor when talking about him as a long term coach at any program. One can say it's hard to recruit to Manhattan but minus the history, it's not any more difficult than Lawrence. Both are in the middle of nowhere Kansas which has proven to be a hurdle for both programs. So until Weber does something, anything of note with players he recruited I don't think it's fair to say he is a good college coach.
Fwiw the success of most Weber teams is directly related to their fools gold percentage. So we will see how that holds up against conference competition because right now Weber is hiding this team behind an absurd schedule.
It doesn't matter if Cal isn't a great in game coach (I think he is better than given credit for) because no matter how you slice it the guy makes final fours and wins 28+ games a season consistently.
I could definitely see us losing in Baylor in a very high scoring game. Motley + Acuil is a lot to handle down low. Best option at this point is probably Josh on Motley.
If Self uses Vick as a primary ball handler I will be quite surprised.
Sub 200 ranked (composite) post recruit averaging 18 and 10 a game in his second year under Danny.
Yep to Northwestern. Those rascals.
But yeah I thought I'd look at how Danny is doing with post players there. That is a pretty impressive example. KU should take him back in a second if he does get fired. That's if he wouldn't want to take another head coaching job,
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
FINAL: North Carolina Central 62, Mizzou 52. Eagles were No. 228 in KenPom before the game
I made a thread to celebrate this special game.
25% from the floor. For added perspective, KU shot 29.5% in the 2013 TCU loss.
I'd try to avoid scheduling MEAC schools.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400910744 ↗
@KUSTEVE said:
@BShark I'm still mad at Rele for not shooting more. He was a great set shooter. That's who should've taken the final shot against Michigan.
Great shooter might be a stretch. He couldn't get his own shot with the ball in his hands. Now, wide open camping out on the three point line then yeah I felt good about those shots going in.his SR year.
Wainwright is bad. Freeman looks like he could have a decent year, he is one that KU backed off of.
I think once Prohm gets in his guys, ISU will be interested in playing D. Their backcourt is still all Hoi no D kids.
Also yes Green to UK was great for us.
@KUSTEVE said:
@BShark Vick is more McLemore than Tyshawn, imo.
+1 Slightly better handles and less pure shot but pretty close. Both very athletic.
@justanotherfan said:
Can Newman do what Frank is doing this year? Absolutely. Go back and watch what he did in high school. He's not a pure shooter, but he can get his points. The mistake at MSU was trying to make him a spot up shooter. That was never going to work.
The benefit is that Newman should be running the point for the scout team this year. I hope that the KU staff is taking full advantage of having Newman in practice to get him ready for next season. Newman will be a load to deal with next season.
Vick isn't going to be Tyshawn. Look for him to be a better scoring Releford instead. Vick has some natural explosiveness scoring and, unlike Releford, he hasn't lost that scoring instinct even though he hasn't been a primary option at KU. This season is all about developing that outside shot to round out his offensive game.
It took Frank until this year to really get to this point. He is very much improved this year, especially decision making. Of course, Malik will be in his third year, with a full year with Self in practice to boot, so I do expect good things.
The last part of your post makes me miss Rele. Man that kid worked his azzzz off. His last two years he was the ultimate cog in the machine/glue guy player.
Wow...he isn't too smart...
He's really good, but also appears to have a ceiling (EE) so it's possible that Baylor could get big for their britches and look for better. That said, they care a lot more about football and they could EASILY end up like KU football after we fired Mangino (Drew level football coach imo).
Lots of damn good coaches in this league.
:boom:
Things are heating up.
Not remotely needed. So I'm not sure why Self is trotting him out there. Someone needs to be responsible here. He is obviously labouring.
That team was salty af.
If KSU finishes ahead of Texas in the conference that is the biggest indictment of Shaka that I can think of.
Lucas needs rest and recoup badly. With how he has played he isn't exactly contributing to positive basketball so I see no reason for him to get minutes until he is healthy.
Vick as a better Tyshawn is where it fell off the rails for me. Vick doesn't have that kind of ball handling ability.
I think we can live with Newman handling the ball, but the primary ball handler is far from desirable. I really was NOT a fan of EJ the PG for a lot of reasons. We will always have that ISU game though. Heh.
Agree. Garrett is everything Self wants in a player. Tough, athletic, long, versatile.