I'm okay with that trajectory given his ability right now. If Doke leaves after this year he'll play more as a freshman.
He's a big dude with some post skill to work with. He could surprise us if he buys in from the start. Has more offensive skill then Doke did coming in but other then their size they are not alike.
JayHawkFanToo said:
Playing at home though always changes everything.
I guess KU did not get the memo.:smiley:
Unfortunately true!
JayHawkFanToo said:
Charlie Moore was #55 on Rivals... ↗
Yeah he was #71 composite between all the rankings done nationwide. 247 had him just outside the Top 100.
JayHawkFanToo said:
It does get very confusing. This link ↗ lists him just like Moore who after this season will have 3 years of eligibility and 3 calendar years.
Interesting. It is confusing.
If Sam had sat this semester out I believe that would have counted as a redshirt year (transfer year + half a semester). He could redshirt next season but that sounds silly to play half a season then red-shirt and have to sit another year out.
Kcmatt7 said:
@BeddieKU23 I didn't think he used his redshirt on the transfer and just used the 1 year of eligibility.
But perhaps I was wrong. I guess his best options are basically stick it out and see if he can crack the rotation, or be a grad transfer.
I'm not sure of the exact rules that apply to Cunliffe because transferring mid-season complicates things. I do know that when he transferred from ASU to KU he lost the remaining eligibility he had as a freshman. Sitting the required year per the transfer rules could technically not be considered a red-shirt. If KU had redshirted him for the spring semester of 2018 there's a chance he would have had 3 years left to play 3 having sat 1 calendar year + another half semester. As it stands he'll go into 2018-19 year with 2 years to play 2 unless he was injured and applied for a medical waiver (something KJ Lawson received for example) or redshirted another full year either at KU or somewhere else.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Yeah. With Silvio it doesn't really matter at least, because I don't think he stays more than 3 seasons (2 and a half in this case) tops. Plus this half year should really give him a leg up next year. Possibly getting him to be able to go pro if Self is able to land another killer haul in 19. As Silvio going pro is imo the only way possible to land JRE and Hurt.
It sounds like Silvio and his camp want him in the NBA after next year. We'll see whether he is good enough after next season to make that happen
JayHawkFanToo said:
At the end of the season we will have 3 years left of eligibility and 3 calendar years to complete them. At the end of the season he will have been in college 2 years, so, if he graduates in 4 years, that is 2 years after the season, he will gave 1 year of eligibility and 1 calendar year left...like Coleby did
I don't believe that's correct. He's a Soph. currently. He didn't finish a full year at ASU however lost his freshman status leaving and becoming eligible after the Fall semester this year.
Silvio is in the same camp. He lost his fall semester but is playing the spring and will be a Soph in the fall.
I've thought we've been playing Garrett out of position since his confidence in his shot went down the tube. If he can't shoot the 3 why is he roaming the perimeter so much. Why isn't he the de-facto "4" in our 4 guard lineup. His shooting % is so skewed by his poor 3 pt %. He's shooting 57% on 2's. Why isn't this guy closer to the basket where he makes a better %. He might even extend a few possessions in games (like we saw against Baylor) having him closer to the hoop for rebounds.
Kcmatt7 said:
I hope that Cunliffe's camp realizes that he has all the potential in the world, mostly due to his athleticism. That if he sticks it out at KU, he will either be a starter or the 6th man at KU in two seasons. And, that his best path to the NBA or a high paying contract in Europe, is staying at KU. He trains with one of the top S&C coaches every day, in one of the best basketball facilities in the country, all while practicing against future professional players every single day. If he wants to transfer, he should really just redshirt next season here at KU, bust his ass and take advantage of the facilities, and then see if he would start or be a rotation player at KU two years from now. If he isn't, he could grad transfer and play right away somewhere else. I'm sure at that point he would basically be forced out anyways.
Sam does have the option to transfer at year end though, because he didn't use his redshirt this last transfer. I would not be surprised if that is the route he goes. I do not think it is his best option, as I mentioned above.
He would have to sit another year and lose another year of Eligibility. Sit one more to play 1 season.. Can't see that being something they want to do but who knows we've seen plenty of dumb choices
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BShark said:
I hope he doesn't to be clear. I mean how much would he have to hate it here to give up a year of eligibility and sit out again? That's pretty rough.
I'm interested to see how it all shakes out this off season.
He could end up being a graduate transfer if he never moves into the rotation or starts.
Not eligible for it yet unless he's graduating 2 years early..
JayHawkFanToo said:
Big Dave was selected to the McDonald All-American which selects the top 24 players so enough people in the know see something and believe he belongs there.
Down year for bigs, he's the highest rated big outside the Top 25.
There tends to be 1-2 guys outside the Top 20-25 that make it annually. Zach Collins #37 of Gonzaga was a recent one, Thomas Welsh #36 another.
Dave is a good player and he's played against the best HS competition for a few years now. He was on a winning AAU team as well. He might not be an impact freshman based on his current skill but I think he's deserving of his ranking in this class as well as his McDonald's All American status. His best basketball should be ahead of him once he gets to KU and continues to develop
KU's Current Roster off 247 only.
Devonte- #40
Svi- #31
Vick- #29
Newman- #7
Doke- #33
Mitch- #116
Garrett- #54
Sam- #41
De Sousa- #38
Preston #20- gone
D Lawson- #38
KJ Lawson-#56
Moore- #105
Grimes at #8 is solid.
Can live with the others. I think eventually Dave lives up to that #28. Devon will outplay #24.
Svi was #31 on 247, Composite #239 (lack of international rankings from other sites). Graham #93, Composite #40. Vick #29, Composite #81.
247 Rankings. 247 Team Rankings are a composite. Here's the comp with ESPN
KU ESPN- 3, 21, 6, 7, 9, 2, 13, 22, 23, 5, 5, Not Top 25
KU 247- 4, 37, 16, 13, 9, 2, 11, 22, ?, 7, 9, 20,
Bingo!
Coach K, Calipari and Smart all coaching Team USA in some way. It's had a huge impact on their recruiting.
Smart doesn't land Bamba without it for example. The list goes on.
These 3 get to recruit and coach kids without breaking any NCAA rules. Doesn't get any easier then that to form relationships
HighEliteMajor said:
So everyone help me here. How are class rankings that clear in providing insight into the quality of one's roster, beyond the obvious Duke/UK? Good guide, of course.
It seems like its UK/Duke, and everyone else. And that we're perhaps the best or second best "everyone else"?
Correct me, but ESPN doesn't count a guy like Svi, nor does it count a guy like DG who was in a prior class, and stayed. Am I wrong there?
Yeah ESPN is horrible, 247 has done a much better job of incorporating all that ends up in a particular class. You will see them making adjustments well into the spring and its nice that they do a composite ranking (where they take Rivals, Scout, ESPN & their own ranking).
Team Class Rankings using ESPN since 2007
Duke- 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 7, 12, 2, 6, 9, 19, 6
Kentucky- 4, 2, 1, 2, 2, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 23, 7
Kansas- 3, 21, 6, 7, 9, 2, 13, 22, 23, 5, 5, Not Top 25
UNC- 5, 17, 13, 33, 3, 16, 8, 5, 3, 2, 7, Not Top 25
Arizona- 21, 3, 7, 4, 6, 5, 3, 7, Not Top 25, Not Top 25, 9, 8
BShark said:
Could still transfer to TCU, he was strongly considering that last offseason.
True, TCU has 1 spot open currently. Can see him staying though as he'd be the biggest guy left on Duke's roster after this year
If KU limits the rest of OU's team we have a great chance of winning. Besides Trae, OU's starters played terrible on Saturday and weren't much better at K-St. Playing at home though always changes everything.
HawkChamp said:
@BeddieKU23 you don't have to go back forever to find a team that struggled at home. Folks complained about these exact same problems last year. This time last year, everyone was convinced the team had a sweet sixteen ceiling or something similar.
Yeah we did have some struggles last season as well. It's more noticeable this year with the home losses and consistently close games.
Those that felt our ceiling last season was S16'ish weren't too far off. I wouldn't be surprised this year with any result. We can win the whole thing or lose in the 2nd round with the right match-up. This isn't Self's most talented squad or best team. The issue is none of that has mattered once March comes. I do like the toughness of this team lately and they have found ways to win when it matters. We've played some good ball away from AFH which could be a sign of things. All we can do is hope for the best.
I've seen a lot of Oklahoma games. Fun to watch when things are clicking. Things went bad this past week. The TCU game last weekend was a great game, the Ok St was a great game to watch. OU is going through changes as a young team.
Young is a great player, the best I've seen in the Big-12 since Durant. Especially when you consider Young doesn't have the physical tools that usually separate the best from the best its more impressive what he's been able to do. The expectations are through the roof with the amount of publicity he's getting now. He's got to get away from hero ball though.
His coach should be a major part in what happens going forward if OU is going to turn this around. The one thing Young has to change about his game is the selfish 30 footers. It's a low % shot for a player who clearly has "in the gym range". Kruger has to reign that in, we know other coaches wouldn't allow a player so much freedom. You notice guys standing around for OU when they feel like the possession is going to end in a Young shot. I get the sense that the attention Trae gets has affected the team in a negative way. This week certainly felt like Trae let the attention go to his head. I can't imagine the pressure he's under right now. It's a good lesson for him to be experiencing now before he becomes a professional.
I highly doubt Young is going to let a bad week ruin this great season he's having. He's just got to learn what a good shot is. His teammates also have to do a better job of capitalizing on opportunities. OU missed a ton of open shots off Young passes Saturday. OU isn't good enough to play poorly and rely on Trae doing everything. Manek, James, McGusty all have to bring it every night.
I wouldn't be surprised to see OU look completely different tomorrow. Its a big game for them
BShark said:
Self isn't doing it though, for whatever reason. I kind of wonder if Cunliffe is going to transfer again. :/ :thinking:
That would suck. Play not even half a season, transfer, sit a year, play half a season, transfer. Kids gotta stick it out sometime you would think. I'm sure its on his mind as he sits there and doesn't play, everyone wants to play. If he's really bought in he'll stick around and work on his game. I'm sure he'll get a fresh slate this off-season to prove himself
We've haven't had a team struggle to win at AFH in forever. It's weird that's for sure. Saturday at halftime we had a good chance to make it one of those easy games. But the fans got more then they bargained for as the 2nd half wore on
Where's bolden going? The adriatic league with Newman?
It's hard to believe he's gotten this far without extensive work being done on his shot. It's a good thing he doesn't shoot a ton of them where the impact of his misses is felt consistently but the blueprint is there. If a team is in the bonus and Doke gets the ball in a position to score I'd be selling out to foul him every time. The percentage's say its as good as a turnover for the defense.
Garrett isn't far behind, not someone we want on the line with the game in the balance.
BShark said:
@BeddieKU23 Definitely. It should be sobering for anyone that thought he'd be a force this year though.
Baylor has a tough long team. He just took himself out the game fouling
Few weeks from now I think we see different
I don't see how Marcus can continue to play big minutes if he can't shoot or look to shoot to get confidence
Malik Newman was huge down the stretch.
Vick has fallen way off a cliff somewhere
Svi had foul trouble, just one of those games
BShark said:
Silvio managed to get three fouls in two minutes and log no other stats.
Refs sent a message to him. Young pup will learn
And trent
Watch Carter and Bagley return
BShark said:
They are all wings too, wtf is K selling.
Money
Yeah k not cheatin'
And Zion to duke
BShark said:
Ochai Agbaji is probably clean too.
Heard he got paid to come today.
Crimsonorblue22 said:
Who were the announcers for the ou-osu game? One guy crying about KU beating them.
Robbie hummel who player on Purdue when ku beat them in 2012
mayjay said:
@BeddieKU23 Actually, if there are red flags it would be better to know now before he enrolls and gets into a car wreck.....
We might as well call the fbi, at least get the ncaa involved. I mean why recruit players anymore
Dicky v just found out Clemson has a basketball team. Poor v only thought duke and unc were in the acc
Huge loss
State with a 4 pt lead with an eternity left
Jayballer54 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
And yet young isn't that good to some lol
And YET - to others - -he is GOD. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY - - talk loud - -talk long
I'd like you to find where anyone has said that
Wow
FarmerJayhawk said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I think Langford goes to Vandy, if your a top 10 pick potentially your gonna get shots at Vandy over what KU has. Its a business decision as they stressed
I think if Vick leaves, we get him. Self has a great record of putti wings in the NBA.
Yes we do have a great track record. I'm just seeing it being an easier path for him at vandy. If he wants to win and learn from a HOF coach then I hope his decision is easy. We will see how it goes.
And yet young isn't that good to some lol
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
BeddieKU23 said:
BShark said:
BeddieKU23 said:
I for one could care less about his story.
Now we wait til the big dave saga starts. Odds are he's not as good of character as we think? Hopefully kidding when I say that
I know you are joking but he seems like a good kid that plans to be here 4 years. Haven't read any of the crap I read about Diallo, Alexander or Preston leading up to and after their commitments...
I'm totally joking but who can blame the Track record we are on with burger boy mess ups
I can't go into details, but Grimes is the one I'd be most concerned with out of this class.
I can't go into detail but that's full of crap
Sorry, but it's not crap. I work 20 minutes from his school. I've heard whispers from people highly involved in the Alumni Association that there are some potential red flags with Grimes and his family.
Awesome let's report him now then..
justanotherfan said:
We do, but Silvio doesn't have the offensive skill that Preston does. Silvio won't command consistent double teams in the post. He won't hit 15 foot jumpers.
Silvio compares favorably to Darnell Jackson and I hope he has that type of career. But Preston is so much more skilled. That's a huge thing.
I agree Preston had more offensive skill and there are not many players that size that can shoot or handle the ball like he can. Basketball is more then what a player can do on offense as we all know. I feel confident saying silvio is more of a bill self type player that could fit into a role this team may need going forward. Of course we need to see more of what he's capable of doing before we can fully assess his capability here
Young starting to impact the game as well
Bingo we will be fine!
I think Langford goes to Vandy, if your a top 10 pick potentially your gonna get shots at Vandy over what KU has. Its a business decision as they stressed