It will be at LEAST a F1 - could be a F2
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Wasn't really a steal as much as a complete giveaway by DG....
@BShark said:
I should say they had been, I haven't checked back in awhile.
No current scores as of a few minutes ago...
@DoubleDD said:
Nobody is debating you need to play defense. Some of act like its the only way. I've watch plenty of average defenses cut down the nets.
Really??? Duke last year and maybe UNC a few years ago, but seems to me that every other champ was much stronger defensively than offensively - Villanova, the UConn title teams, Louisville, FL, us in 'o8, UK when they beat us in the tile game....
@Crimsonorblue22 said:
@globaljaybird ask jaybate
Please don't - we'll just get a treatise on lingerie....
@HawkChamp That's fine if we could only make a few more 2 pointers...
We're not making anything and giving up easy buckets and getting out rebounded - kinda fortunate to only be down 6....
Every friggin' possession..........
@HawkChamp said:
@DoubleDD yes but they aren't our first line of defense.
We don't seem to have a first or second line of defense.... They've gotten to the rim every possession this half so far....
@BeddieKU23 They're at 44 and 38% - definitely not everything. Problem is that we are shooting much worse - 38 and 22%
Clue that Bragg is clueless out there - or at least has no confidence - is that he didn't even look to shoot when wide open on the elbow (for a couple of seconds). Last year he would have taken that shot - and made it more often than not...
@Bwag Do you really want to see it????
Matador defense by our perimeter guys....
Well, at least the FL - GA game won't go to double OT....
Blacked out on the East Coast.... For those of you who can see it, I understand the lack of defensive effort - been a recurring problem - but how is it that we only have 8 points in 8 minutes??????
Had meetings and just now checking in. Really, down 9 at half? And, Frank has been the offense? Only player in double figures until the last minute or so??? Baylor crashed and burned, so win tonight and this weekend and we are probably #1???
@Bwag Let's see if we can make it several sequences in a row... Haven't put the foot on the throat in a while. Would love to turn this into a 20 point game in the next 5 minutes....
5 pt play at the end of the half never hurts...
@Crimsonorblue22 Who you calling names.... ;)
We just seem so flat - no intensity on the floor or seemingly in the building...
@tundrahok Hopefully, the lecturing sinks in at some point....
So, that last defensive "stand" was indicative of the issue this year - their player went by Jackson and Bragg provided absolutely no interior D - didn't square up to draw a charge, didn't leave his feet for a block, or didn't draw the hard foul to deny the basket and send a message. Just stood there and let him score.....
@DoubleDD Bad shot but very aggressive and athletic follow-up...
@Crimsonorblue22 Wiggs goes for 41 in losing effort...
@Crimsonorblue22 BTW - Embid has 17 pts in just 14 minutes in the Sixers game...
@Crimsonorblue22 Pretty good 1st half by all the Hawks. 16 points for Wiggs, 13 for Kieff. Cole with 5 points and 3 RBs in just 5 minutes. B Rush also solid in limited minutes. Oubre only one without much of an impact, but still on the scoreboard...
@Hawk8086 They may well be saving it for later - meaning later in the season? Others have suggested that we can get stops when we need it. As to the first point, there may be something to that, but why can some teams - like Virginia - seem to be able to be focused on the defensive end game in game out? And, to the argument that we can turn the defensive pressure on and off within a game, while that seemed to be case in the Duke game, it seemed like we really never got stops when we needed them in the Indiana and KSU games.
To your point, intuitively it seems that replacing Selden with Josh and Ellis with Svi/Bragg/Vick combo shouldn't mean a significant regression, but by some measures we have regressed. Really due to Ellis senior leadership???
I'm still at a bit of a loss. Would like to believe that we have superior defenders on the perimeter, but they're not demonstrating it yet. It's not just giving up the 88 to KSU, but the fact that KSU got to the rim routinely, that entry passes weren't really contested, and we had only 2 steals against a team that isn't known for it's ball handling is what concerns me.
Yes, it goes in the books as a W, but gotta believe that we need to really tighten it up against the upper echelon of the league - and certainly UK....
Watching it on local sports network. Kieff just scored - in double figures. Love to see all the Hawks do well in this one...
So, HCBS railed after giving up 88 points to the Mildcats and the Svi Euro-step-step-step-step escape with a W that this is the worst defensive team he's had at KU. Is he simply trying to light a fire under the guys, or is he talking truth?
Well, by advanced metrics, he's right - at least so far. After the past two games, the Hawks Kenpom defensive efficiency rating has fallen to 25th. That is worse than the season ending DER for any previous Self team at KU - indeed, far worse than all but two other seasons. The 10 loss team ended up 22nd and the '04 team 19th. Most of the Self KU teams have had top 10 DERs.
What about conventional metrics? Well, I just did a quick compare and contrast to last year's team. Perhaps somewhat surprisingly, most of the key defensive metrics aren't appreciably different from those of last year's team: opponents FG% - 40.1 v 39.7; 3PT% - 35.2 v 32.1; SPG - 7 v 6.7; BPG - 5.6 v 4.2; TOs forced - 13.6 v 12.9; PPG - 69.9 v 67.6.
So, seemingly a bit worse on most metrics, but not dramatically so. However, I would argue that these metrics are a bit misleading. The numbers for last year's team were for the full season - through the tournament. The non-conference schedule this year turned out to be pretty week compared to many prior years (few really bad teams, but only a couple of good ones). And, our 2 conference games have come against what is supposedly the lower echelon of the conference.
What about the eye test? At least to my eyes, it looks like we are giving up a LOT of easy baskets. Opponents are getting into the paint and to the rim all too easily - and there really isn't any rim protection. While BPG are up from last year as of now, that's likely to decline as a lot of that was Doke - more blocks than Lucas and Bragg combined in a fraction of the minutes. Other teams "bigs" seemingly have routinely had career games against. While Lucas had put up more than solid scoring and rebounding numbers the past two games, neither TCU or KSU have real bigs and he hasn't shut anyone down this year. And, I mentioned in the game thread, Bragg is a defensive liability at the 5 - his footwork and positioning defensively was just awful (he's much better suited to the 4 spot).
Can we get better? I certainly hope so - defense improved down the stretch last year. But unless Self can get the guys more focused on the defensive side of the ball, then he will be right - this will be his worst defensive team. Good thing it's also one of his better offensive teams - because we may have to rely a lot more on simply outscoring opponents this year....
@stoptheflop That's not fair - KSU actually scored 89 twice this year - against Hampton and CSU!
"Course, they just managed 61 against Robert Morris.
Interesting that both teams had all starters in double figures...
@BeddieKU23 A few Euro steps....
@Bwag said:
Chance to win here
But, even if we do, not sure we really deserve it. They've really outplayed us - at least down the stretch.
Gotta do better than 60% FT shooting - need these down the stretch.
Have come to the sad conclusion that Bragg is a major liability on defense - terrible footwork and positioning. And, surprisingly little rim protection.
We're a bit lucky that they have gone completely cold from outside... Other than the one shot clock violation possession, it's not like we are denying them shots...
@BShark He plays a lot smaller than his size...
@Bwag a 100% improvement!
@BeddieKU23 said:
Defense what defense lol
The same D that has allowed 55% shooting and only generated 1 steal and forced 7 TOs....
@Bwag said:
I'm not sure JJ was fouled and I'm not sure that LL call should have been called
Agree on both, but the real problem is that the entry pass was too easy and LL let his guy get way too deep in the paint...
WTF - just horrible defensive effort...
@brooksmd said:
LL has his double-double.
Unfortunately, Svi has a double zero - no points and no RBs...
Never mind...
HCBS very animated in the timeout huddle...
@Bwag And, while we have 4 ball-handlers - guards anyway - we have 10 TOs to their 5...
HCBS apparently didn't get them focused at half time....
@Bwag said:
@approxinfinity both teams shooting very well. We're doing better.
But we REALLY shouldn't be allowing them to shoot 53% from the field and only force 4 TOs. ...