Briggs needs to think a little harder. The media landscape is about to change very quickly. Basketball will become more valuable in the event of a breakaway. The B1G institutions like what we bring in research $. The big concern from their side a decade ago was facilities. That’s no longer an issue. In fact, it’s actually a positive now. Rock Chalk Park is an elite facility and capable of holding meets and tournaments at the conference or national level.

With streaming, media markets aren’t nearly as important as they were 10 years ago. It’s just as easy for a KU alum in Chicago to watch KU as it is an alum in LFK. It’s going to be very important to get eyeballs and sell subs to services like ESPN+.

Not guaranteeing we go to the Big Ten. I think the ACC is also a legit option.

KU has most B1G Presidents/Chancellors on board.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Self Has Covid:

You think they get tested often? I remember him saying they wanted to all be vaxxed. He's been watching so many games.

I can say some coaches are making life hell if you don't get vaccinated. One football program I'm aware of gets tested 5 days a week at 5 AM if you haven't been vaccinated!

@Crimsonorblue22 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@BShark anyway A and M would back out join us and maybe sayyyyyy Colorado? Or somebody else? Not worth it?

We're peacing out of the Big 12 if possible. Marriages of convenience don't last ¯_(ツ)_/¯

@BShark said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

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Man if UT takes down the SEC that's a serious feat

@approxinfinity wow, it appears so. I regret to say the whites are at it again

I'm legit surprised he didn't rip his immune system’s ass for getting shots but not guarding

Breakthrough case, he's doing fine.

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@bskeet said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

I notice that several schools are paired with KU when speculating about Big 10 additions. No one is talking about Notre Dame. They've been independent, but weren't they a part of the Big10 basketball schedule and didn't they join the Big10 football schedule this past year due to COVID? Would that perhaps make them a candidate or are there unsurmountable obstacles?

Yes, their quasi-deal with the ACC stipulates if they join a conference, has to be the ACC

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@jayballer67 not a PAAAAWWWWWL fan but he's spot on. Hoops is an afterthought here. Things seem to be moving FAST. Like once OU and UT make things official you could see the B1G go within a matter of weeks

@KirkIsMyHinrich Good point. Maybe swap MSU for UCLA?

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk I haven't looked into the conference's GoR much. The ACC's is through like the 2030's though, right? Do you know if the buyout is reduced as a school gets closer to the end of the GoR term, or if it's the same whether a school chooses to leave 10 years out or 1 year out? Like would UVA's buyout be less every year closer to the GoR's end-of-term?

I believe so. I think it's like most buyouts in the sense of you have to pay the remaining value on the deal. The ACC deal runs through 2035, so you'd have to pay 14 years worth of the deal to break it unless you negotiated some kind of settlement. Since the Big 12's is only through 2025 (assuming the league survives) it'll be much, much less. And honestly, Fox and ESPN will not be happy with a crippled Big 12, so my sense is they'll try to get out of the Big 12 deal, which could make us "free agents" so to speak.

So a few things on timing. OU and UT aren't waiting until 2025. There's enough money sloshing around to buy their rights back from the Big 12 ($76 million per school) and get them to the SEC for the 22-23 year. Now, if the Big 12 goes belly up after that the rights return to the schools, so it opens up a lane for KU to approach the B1G (who we're aggressively lobbying) and PAC and say hey, there's no buying out our media rights like the B1G had to with Maryland (to the tune of about $50m). So KU becomes more appealing than say, UVA, who has a 9 figure media rights deal with the ACC and even the B1G probably won't touch that. So if things really speed up we could be in the B1G in 12 months.

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@justanotherfan this basically is my view https://throughthephog.com/2016/10/19/big-12-collapses-ku-land/ ↗

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.

The source of this story is A&M's beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.

Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.

That's total bullshit. You're not from the region and do not understand the disdain Arkansas still has for the University of Texas. For the people that have power and influence at Arkansas and will determine how Arkansas votes, UT is still their most hated rival and they want nothing to do with Texas in their conference. If you think people in Austin are going to sit back and let Alabama keep running the league, you severely underestimate the power brokers in Austin.

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We'll see how the vote turns out. I do know the power brokers in Austin know how to light millions of dollars on fire for no appreciable results. Seems to be their specialty. All hat, no cattle (at least on the field), as your people say.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.

The source of this story is A&M's beat writer for the Houston Chronicle. His source is someone very connected with A&M and the only reason it would leak is A&M trying to sabotage Texas. Cash was not the biggest reason Arkansas left the SWC 30 years ago, they wanted away from Texas even more than the money just like A&M and Nebraska did 10 years ago. I guarantee Arkansas does not want to be part of a conference with Texas again and is a no vote.

Why they left and why they’re in the league now are two different things. The SEC wasn’t the absolute financial powerhouse 30 years ago it is now. Arkansas is staying in the league because it would be financial malpractice to leave, regardless of why they got there in the first place. Pretty confident they’ll fall in line and vote to let OU and Texas in. Grows the pie for them and not like Texas will run the SEC like they did the SWC. Totally different circumstances.

It doesn’t get this far down the tracks if the SEC doesn’t have 11 yes votes if the vote were today. Could it change? Sure. Arky is in the SEC for the cash. If they wanted to win they’d come back to the Big 12. I’d set the O/U at 2.5 no’s, and would probably bet the under. Mizzou and A&M.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

One thing that could play into KU's favor is JTV. With streaming the future and the decline of cable, size of media markets is going to much less relevant than 10 years ago, but still a factor for probably one more round of TV deals. KU has long had one of the best tier 3 deals in the country and we're even able to handle their own production when KU football played on LHN.

KU's digital presence is something that should make themselves very attractive to the Big 10 if that's the desired route.

For sure. Depending on how you figure the numbers, KU is second or third in the league in T3 value. Mostly due to the valuable games we let ESPN+ show every year. I’ll laugh my ass off if the same people who thought that deal was terrible and low class end up having to admit it saved our arse

Little nugget I heard today. B1G has interest in KU and... UVA

@nwhawkfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@justanotherfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

KU has to either go for the Big 10 or the less attractive option of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 means conference games starting at 9 PM most nights. That would suck. In the Big 10, at least you have most conference games starting at either 6, 7 or 8 at the latest (probably 6 or 7 all the time). That's workable.

The big hangup is KState. The legislature may not let KU leave KState behind, which may doom both to a non major conference.

I agree the PAC is a really bad option for both parties. No current league stretches across 3 time zones, and that makes all sports an awkward fit, especially Olympic and other non-revenue sports. The roadies to freaking Pullman would be a disaster.

Slight correction: I'm sure you're talking about Big 5 football schools only, but the WAC does have teams in the Pacific, Mountain & Central time zones. Never did understand why UMKC was ever a member...the travel costs must have been killer.

You're right about road trips to Pullman, though. As someone once said, "It ain't the end of the world, but you can see it from there."

Oh man I forgot about the reincarnation of the WAC. Wild times

The talkers from on high are out. Move quickly, not be left holding our junk like last time around http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/tale-tait/2021/jul/22/proactive-approach-critical-for-ku-if-ok/ ↗

@justanotherfan said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

KU has to either go for the Big 10 or the less attractive option of the Pac-12. The Pac-12 means conference games starting at 9 PM most nights. That would suck. In the Big 10, at least you have most conference games starting at either 6, 7 or 8 at the latest (probably 6 or 7 all the time). That's workable.

The big hangup is KState. The legislature may not let KU leave KState behind, which may doom both to a non major conference.

I agree the PAC is a really bad option for both parties. No current league stretches across 3 time zones, and that makes all sports an awkward fit, especially Olympic and other non-revenue sports. The roadies to freaking Pullman would be a disaster.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk

Thanks, Farmer. That’s very helpful. I guess I’m old school (maybe just old) and hate to see traditional rivalries die and small, regional conferences turn in to nationwide behemoths. The only constant may be change but I don’t have to like it. Now get off my lawn!

Thanks! Happy to help. Man, I’m with you. If we could piece the old Big 8 together I’d be a happy guy

The old Big 8 would be a shit conference though because that would have a worse TV deal than the AAC because the total population of those 6 states combined is only around 22 million which is smaller than Texas. OU would be the only football program with any drawing power, but that probably wouldn't last with the huge reduction in revenue.

Trying to revive the old Big 8 is a terrible idea in this time period. I also think KU going to the Big 10 from an athletic standpoint is a terrible idea as well because it would even further cripple football because it takes away the most important recruiting area for KU in Texas. Nebraska wasn't what they were, but they've never really even been competitive in the Big 10 since they joined because of how much they struggle to get recruits now.

Which is why I said "if we could," which we clearly cannot. And heavily favor the B1G for KU's future.

@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk

Thanks, Farmer. That’s very helpful. I guess I’m old school (maybe just old) and hate to see traditional rivalries die and small, regional conferences turn in to nationwide behemoths. The only constant may be change but I don’t have to like it. Now get off my lawn!

Thanks! Happy to help. Man, I’m with you. If we could piece the old Big 8 together I’d be a happy guy

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

@FarmerJayhawk said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

2 (if accurate) gets this deal done. 🐦 View Tweet?s=19

You think #2 would be enough to get 11/14 SEC schools to vote yes to Texas and Oklahoma joining the conference?

Also is there any way that Texas and Oklahoma could join the SEC before 2025? Some sort of buyout maybe? Similarly for Kansas and other B12 schools?

On that point, it’s the catalyst to get UT to jump. LHN was the big factor that kept them in the Big 12. I think the combination of UT and OU get the 11 votes. I don’t think either on their own get there. The allure of a 16 team super league is too much to pass up, even if A&M and Miz/Vandy/whoever get cold feet.

Yeah, someone would have to buy out the GoR. I’m not privy to the contracts but I’m sure there’s some kind of exit process. If not I guess they can wait until 2025 to move.

In any case, AD Goff got the gig in part because of his B1G connections. Lets hope he can get the deal done. While he won’t be the deciding factor (that’s KBOR and Doc Girod), he won’t hurt our case.

This accelerated from chatter to a done deal in about 8 hours. Tomorrow, hang onto your butts, Bucketeers

@tis4tim said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Serious question: So how does this work? A school can just up and leave a conference when the mood strikes? Who is stirring the pot and why can’t the rest of the schools tell OU and TX to pound sand?

Seems like lesser schools such as KSU that stand to lose status in a deal like this would have some say or recourse if they are hurt financially by realignment. Doesn’t seem right or fair.

The short version is this wouldn’t take effect until 2025, when the Big 12 media deal is up. Schools sign a grant of rights with their conference, essentially saying you have control over our media deals. Once those are up, schools can play a free agency type game and look for the best deal. That’s what OU and Texas are doing. They see the Big 12 might not be in an advantageous position come the next media contract, so they need to move pretty quickly to lay down a marker. I would want KU to do the same if the opportunity came.

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@KirkIsMyHinrich said in OU, Texas to the SEC?:

Is there any incentive for the B10 to take us? Also would we have any obligation to take KSU with us? I agree the B10 seems like the ideal landing place for Kansas if this were to happen.

Depends on how they value us I suppose. If we bring enough to grow the per school revenue pie, it makes sense.

There isn’t any formal rule joining the schools. Back in the last round Chancellor Bernie GL said it was in our interests to stay together, but I’m not sure how Girod feels. Given his hard science background he may feel the B1G is a better fit and KSU be damned.

@approxinfinity there’s a small, really cranky slice of our fanbase that thinks we should either drop football altogether or move to FCS and just be a hoops school. They aren’t good at math or strategic thinking, but that’s a view out there.

According to the Houston Tribune. Announcement in a couple weeks, probably effective 2025 or so.

Have to think KU would lobby HARD for a spot in the B1G. If the B1G went to 16 and added us and ISU, we'd play Iowa, ISU, Nubs, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Purdue, and Illinois every year. A few winnable games tbh. Then a periodic crossover with Rutgers. No worse than the Big 12 tbh. Plus a bigger chunk o change and increased academic profile. I'm game!

From the hoops side, also cool with it. Clearly the B1G is a very good basketball conference. Playing IU, Purdue, Wisconsin, MSU, Michigan most years would be pretty cool. Or maybe the smooth brains in our fanbase could get their wish and we'd land in the Big East and just be a basketball school ¯_(ツ)_/¯

@Marco said in More on NIL:

Just saw where Nick Saban announced that sophomore QB Bryce Young who was a bigtime recruit but has yet to start a game already has over a million dollars in endorsments. And good for him! Football players have to wait until after their junior year to go pro, the NIL rule will be a bigtime game changer for them.

I remember that great running back that Steve Spurrier had at South Carolina Marcus Lattimore, who had a brutal career ending injury his junior year and wasn't able to legally earn a dime while in school and because of the injury neither did he as a pro. He would have undoubtedly been a great pro had he not been injured, and probably didn't even need to go to college.

I wonder when that shoe is going to drop, football players asking why they have to go to college for three years? For sure the OAD Rule needs to go away in basketball. Universities have forever been farm systems for the pro ranks, so it is good that players can now finally make some money too.

Their beef will be with the NFLPA. The Union protects their members and doesn’t care about college kids. The earlier players can come into the league, the fewer jobs for current union members.

@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

Not sure I understand this offer, tbh. He doesn't look all that good to me. @FarmerJayhawk thoughts?

Similar to Cuffe, he didn’t have a season last year but apparently is playing really well in travel ball this summer. Late bloomer type

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

One to watch. Offer should be coming very soon. https://247sports.com/Player/Rowan-Brumbaugh-46113022/ ↗

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One to watch. Offer should be coming very soon. https://247sports.com/Player/Rowan-Brumbaugh-46113022/ ↗

All that and Kofi commits to… Illinois

Aterio Morris is committing to Texas tomorrow. Beard trying for the trifecta with Morris, Keyonte George, and Anthony Black

Billy Eugene: exec of the year?

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@drgnslayr said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

There may be plenty of people wanting back in, but unless they still have eligibility and value to a program, they’re going to be out of luck. And no, courts will not side with athletes on that issue.

For sure. I think they will start putting pressure on the NCAA to change eligibility. Question then... is that fair to high school players coming in? This could be argued that it will help more players earn degrees.

The NCAA isn't changing anything in that regard because the people you're talking about have zero leverage to make the NCAA change anything because a court can't force a school to take back a kid in that situation because athletic scholarships are only good for one year and a school can say we're choosing not to renew so and so's scholarship. If anything happens, maybe records get restored for players who had previous NIL violations, but that's it.

The Big 12 and other P5 leagues adopted multi year guaranteed scholarships years ago. https://big12sports.com/news/2014/12/1/209788901.aspx ↗

5* recruit visited this week. Whole squad really wants the commitment. Sources say it went as good as possible https://www.instagram.com/p/CRU5k4IMXPt/?utm_medium=copy_link ↗

@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

@BeddieKU23 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

Looks like Illinois has snaked their way in the Epps recruitment

They have been in it from the start of him re-opening. Might be prioritizing him more than KU... But I'm not worried about Illinois in general.

Definitely a KU/Illinois battle based on the article Bossi ran. NC St seems like they are 3rd. UConn rounds out the 4 he's really into. Says relationships will matter the most. Illinois has already landed two guards in 22. Maybe he'll see more PT opportunity with KU with the Martin/Agbaji/Coleman-Lands moving on after the season

Kinda got the feel they were after bigger fish at the guard spot. Especially it’s not a massive need. Still bring back Harris, Yesufu, Cuffe, and Pettiford. Self has been a barnacle on Keyonte George lately

There are a lot of questions I have about the piece and how all the deets fit together. There's no neat timeline or other side of the story. The "hush money" was just honoring a guaranteed scholarship and some moving expenses. KU made some mistakes for sure but this isn't a huge deal IMO. And Newell didn't execute particularly well. He has a bad tendency of throwing ish against the wall and expecting everyone to reach a particular conclusion he happens to agree with, but for some reason never wants to provide a specific, concrete argument that doesn't fall apart under even minor scrutiny. Perfect example is his infamous "free the 3" piece.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

The easiest thing IMO would be moving JCL to a GA type role. But I haven’t heard anything that the interest has gone both ways.

That's still doing someone dirty and I would be completely opposed to adding Cockburn if it means screwing someone else over that badly.

Right, which is the big reason why the staff doesn’t appear to be that interested.

The easiest thing IMO would be moving JCL to a GA type role. But I haven’t heard anything that the interest has gone both ways.

Sooooo can confirm there’s some interest from Kofi’s camp in coming to KU because of NIL possibilities. Blue blood market (read: 3 strype lyfe) and all that

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

@approxinfinity said in July predictions for the upcoming season results:

@Texas-Hawk-10 I believe it goes against Bill's MO to not start Braun. When was the last time Self didnt start a perimeter guy who was 3rd year and was a rotation guy previous 2 seasons? I agree JCL seems like the better starter. And these are new uncharted waters with transfers not having to sit. Bill will have to prove himself maybe with giving minutes to JCL or suffer the consequences recruiting transfers going forward. I just think its going to be hard for him.

Christian Braun was terrible last year and was a black hole on both ends of the floor far too frequently last season. Braun needs to play 3 or the 4 when KU goes small, not the 2 which is what he was forced into last season.

@FarmerJayhawk I don't think Yesufu ends up starting. He's never been a full time starter and I don't think Self ends up starting him over JCL who has always been a starter wherever he was. Yesufu is probably more likely to be on the floor at the end of games in crunch time than JCL is which is the more important dynamic anyway. I think there's also a lot more question marks about how consistent Yesufu be against a full P5 schedule as opposed to a handful of games whereas JCL doesn't have those question marks because he's a known commodity at the P5 level. I wouldn't even be surprised is Yesufu ends up playing more minutes than JCL, but I think it makes more sense given their histories to start JCL over Yesufu.

I don’t think JCL has a good enough handle or defends well enough to start. The fit alongside Ochai is weird since he’s the same stylistically, but worse at almost everything but spot up shooting. To me Braun is more likely to start than JCL

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

Jalen Washington to UNC. Right on the heels (I'll let myself out) of Dawson Garcia transferring yesterday. Not going to lie, I'm kind of jealous of their frontcourt.

So stoked. You can see already Hubert has a much different approach to bigs than Roy. Pace, space, and let it fly is the early word.

I don’t think Braun or JCL start. Bill loves ball handling at the 2. I think we roll Remy Yesufu Och Jalen Dave for the plurality of games this year. Yesufu’s last month at Drake was really good. Shot it really really well from 3 and the line. Can really get his own shot. It’s not a great defensive unit but not like Braun is a stopper either.

As far as expectations? Bare minimum 3 seed, top 3 in the league. Average outcome, 1 seed, elite eight.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

Marcus Bagley withdrawing from the draft and returning to college. He's going to make some team very happy.

His own apparently! Hurley needed a win.