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@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@FarmerJayhawk said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@chriz said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@chriz said in NCAA loses more power... again...:
To answer your questions:

1. No, none of KU's issues involved NIL stuff.

2. No, very few people will make enough from NIL deals to want to stay in school longer. If someone is good to turn pro early, that's going to be more money than staying in school.

3. Someone will end up as the poster child of how not to balance academic/athletic/NIL responsibilities

4. Most NIL based deals will be relatively small and from local businesses. The NIL deal will have minimal impact on KU's recruiting unless the athletic department totally botches how they handle and promote NIL opportunities to kids.

I would think there’s a strong enough relationship between NIL and KU’s case that it may have some impact? E.g. If NIL existed then perhaps KU wouldn’t have done this or that (allegedly)?

Also for the marginal kids, the ones who may or may not make money by declaring, perhaps NIL would give them the incentive they needed to return?

NIL has absolutely nothing to do with KU's case. New NIL regulations won't change how Nike, Adidas, and Under Armour operate at the grassroots level funneling kids to specific programs. A $2,500 endorsement deal isn't going to stop Nike or Adidas from funneling $25,000 to a recruit's family (more money the higher ranked the recruit is).

Your second point is just flat out bad business. NIL is going to have no impact on whether a player stays or goes pro because there's no restrictions on endorsements as a pro so players would get any NIL endorsement money on top of their professional salary. If a kid chooses to return to school solely because of NIL, then that kid needs to take a financial literacy class because that kid is dumb and financially illiterate.

Depends on the specifics. If a particular booster is willing to go above and beyond any reasonable rate to retain someone, could be the case. To my knowledge, Devon Dotson doesn't have any lucrative NIL deals. Maybe on shoes? And makes ok money as a 2 way. A booster could theoretically (if NIL was passed 18 months ago) say, "yo Devon. I'll give you a $750k deal to endorse my insurance product." Total compensation would be about equal. Is this likely to happen? No. But at big time college programs like KU basketball and Nebraska football with rabid fanbases and great booster support, it's quite possible.

Your proposed scenario would likely never happen because that would be a major rules violation that could ruin a program. NIL legislation restricts athletes from signing NIL deals with companies associated with boosters so unless a school wants the NCAA handing out punishment, your proposed scenario will never happen.

It absolutely doesn't prohibit that. From the NCAA document, "12. Can individuals enter into NIL agreements with boosters?

Yes, provided the activity is in accordance with state laws and school policy, is not an impermissible inducement and it does not constitute pay-for-play."

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@chriz said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@chriz said in NCAA loses more power... again...:
To answer your questions:

1. No, none of KU's issues involved NIL stuff.

2. No, very few people will make enough from NIL deals to want to stay in school longer. If someone is good to turn pro early, that's going to be more money than staying in school.

3. Someone will end up as the poster child of how not to balance academic/athletic/NIL responsibilities

4. Most NIL based deals will be relatively small and from local businesses. The NIL deal will have minimal impact on KU's recruiting unless the athletic department totally botches how they handle and promote NIL opportunities to kids.

I would think there’s a strong enough relationship between NIL and KU’s case that it may have some impact? E.g. If NIL existed then perhaps KU wouldn’t have done this or that (allegedly)?

Also for the marginal kids, the ones who may or may not make money by declaring, perhaps NIL would give them the incentive they needed to return?

NIL has absolutely nothing to do with KU's case. New NIL regulations won't change how Nike, Adidas, and Under Armour operate at the grassroots level funneling kids to specific programs. A $2,500 endorsement deal isn't going to stop Nike or Adidas from funneling $25,000 to a recruit's family (more money the higher ranked the recruit is).

Your second point is just flat out bad business. NIL is going to have no impact on whether a player stays or goes pro because there's no restrictions on endorsements as a pro so players would get any NIL endorsement money on top of their professional salary. If a kid chooses to return to school solely because of NIL, then that kid needs to take a financial literacy class because that kid is dumb and financially illiterate.

Depends on the specifics. If a particular booster is willing to go above and beyond any reasonable rate to retain someone, could be the case. To my knowledge, Devon Dotson doesn't have any lucrative NIL deals. Maybe on shoes? And makes ok money as a 2 way. A booster could theoretically (if NIL was passed 18 months ago) say, "yo Devon. I'll give you a $750k deal to endorse my insurance product." Total compensation would be about equal. Is this likely to happen? No. But at big time college programs like KU basketball and Nebraska football with rabid fanbases and great booster support, it's quite possible.

JCL was at 39.5%, so we're all but there. Och was at 37.7%, solid. Yesufu was at 38.4%. We have some shooters.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Remy:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Remy:

Just a shade under 3 months until KU football starts! In Leipold we trust.

2 months, FIFY

Oh sweet Christ is is July already. I need a vacation

Just a shade under 3 months until KU football starts! In Leipold we trust.

TIME TO BUST OUT THE COGNAC

LETS GOOOOOO

@jayballer67 I think it’s fans trying to will it into existence more than anything. We were on him out of HS but never really went anywhere

Former Michigan LB Cornell Wheeler announced he’s coming! 4 years to play. Give a call to Coach Simpson for getting this one done.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

Is KU pushing for Carr because Martin is planning on staying in the draft?

Because that's the only reason for KU to be going after Marcus Carr.

Negative, it’s in case Ochai stays in. Plan would be to play Carr and Remy together a la 2008 with Yesufu playing the role of Sherron, just not as good. Braun and JCL hold down the 3 spot.

Was researching landing spots for Carr and with all the KU stuff that’s happened over the last few months I glossed over how loaded Texas is. Disu and Mitchell are both really good. Bishop solid depth piece. Ramey back. Timmy Allen was first team all-PAC last year as a wing. Potentially adding Carr. Just being honest, but if they get him I think they’re better than us and right there with Gonzaga.

@Crimsonorblue22 gahhh drat. I need a Remy Martin Remy Martin ad

If a certain cognac maker wants a student athlete for a NIL deal they’ll have their chance now hehe

😏😏😏

@jayballer67 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

@rockchalkwyo KU, UK, Texas, and Louisville, among others, are heavily recruiting Marcus Carr.

Texas seems to be the best fit on paper but we’ll see.

less I'm counting wrong , we don't have room right? - -are we talking about for this upcoming year or Next

Only works numbers wise if Ochai stays in the draft.

@rockchalkwyo KU, UK, Texas, and Louisville, among others, are heavily recruiting Marcus Carr.

Texas seems to be the best fit on paper but we’ll see.

@KirkIsMyHinrich said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

39% from the field is a bit concerning but hopefully his shooting efficiency would go up with less volume.

For sure. Minnesota was ass terrible and John Wooden little Ricky was not

Oh hai 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Xavion Brice is a Sooner. Going to play DB there. Could’ve played either WR or DB at KU had he kept his commitment. On we go.

Keep an eye on this one. KU is a game changing offer here. 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

I think he has a chance to eat into Jalen's minutes. Jalen obviously isn't a great defender, and if he slumps on offense again I could see KJ getting some run at the 4, especially when Martin is on the floor to open up driving lanes. The big strength of Adams's game right now is bullying smaller players on drives and using his strength to finish.

Also if Obanor wants to come you wish Ochai well and move on him. A better replacement for Jalen but asking him to transfer now is an absolute dick move. 7/1 was the deadline to enter the portal for immediate eligibility.

@BShark said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2021 Transfer Talk/List:

Kofi Cockburn is better than Dave, but going all out to bring him in also risks destroying team chemistry by alienating one of the leaders of the team.

Agree. It would also run the risk of hurting relationships with Team Loaded and Oak Hill, which you don't want of course.

Would be benching one Oak Hill kid for another so they might just not care. Especially if Kofi pulls a Doke and makes a leap

Bump. Heard from someone who watched workouts this week “KJ is a f** freak show!”

@BShark said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

Hmmm. 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Jokes! 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Shortly after his visit. Nike kid. We cookin'.

1 wing down, 1 big down. One more of each plus a guard and we’ll roll

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

Hmmm. 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Jokes! 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Hmmm. 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

Old friend of the progrum Kofi Cockburn is going portaling. If Och doesn't come back you move mountains to get him.

Our man Mitch already is out soliciting NIL opportunities. This is gonna get wild

Marcus Carr withdrew from the draft. Someone is going to get a heck of a PG.

@jayballer67 said in 2022 Crootin:

Ok Farmer so fill me in Bud. - -What's this as they calling it what's up with all this smoke ? possible fire about this kid that hit the Portal that was Committed to Tennessee , that's following alot of KU stuff and a couple members of the Staff?

Keldon Salter ranked as the # 154 player in the class. Out of Cedar Hill Texas 6'1 4 * 195 lb QB ?

Lots of talk coming off TOS about him. - -Question what's your thoughts ? -- would you take him with the baggage he is toting around?- - - Sounds like a sweet QB. - -Would you take the chance ? I guess the only thing he ended up with and the other guys was the Pot other charges were dropped. - -Is he worth the risk if he is seriously interested ?

I don't really care about the pot stuff with Salter, but there's some chatter (it's all secondhand so won't repeat stuff that might not be true) he's just not a good locker room guy. He's definitely talented and maybe worth a gamble though. But I don't think he's in play for KU.

@Crimsonorblue22 definitely! Such a great, genuine dude

@jayballer67 said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Recruiting Thread:

Whitehead and the family really like KU. Coach Q really making a positive impression. But swooooooosh

ya nothing to get excited about or get any hopes up. Just saying what they need to say or think people want to hear when they are on the visit. - -They sure wouldn't say their visit sucked lol

I mean this came from someone at KU who spoke to the family on the visit, not any media.

Whitehead and the family really like KU. Coach Q really making a positive impression. But swooooooosh

@BShark said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

Och - 3:1 odds he leaves

Wilson: 9:1 leaves

After Wilson had an absolute trash fire combine, he's coming back fo sho. Still like my 3:1 odds on Och.

Not too surprising. In the past he probably would have been a 4 year guy.

Pretty sure he will be

@FarmerJayhawk said in Call your Shot on Agbaji & Wilson returning:

Och - 3:1 odds he leaves

Wilson: 9:1 leaves

After Wilson had an absolute trash fire combine, he's coming back fo sho. Still like my 3:1 odds on Och.

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Crootin:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Crootin:

@jayballer67 said in 2022 Crootin:

Farmer I was under the idea that Peoples was up his commitment date to this weekend. Haven't heard or seen anything no matter where it was - - what happened ? -- Did he end up committing somewhere else?

It’ll be today, and KU. I haven’t heard a specific time though.

Jokes. Have to love recruiting

Update: he’s a Jayhawk!

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@wissox said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

Does the rower, or mid major DI soccer player, or the UMKC volleyball player get paid too? Shouldn't they demand it too? After they, while generally not being as talented as their high level counterparts, are often competing on the same fields and in the same venues.

Just because athletes are going to be paid doesn't end the corruption because programs will exceed allowable stipends in order to entice recruits.

If those people can figure out how to monetize their NIL. Instagram probably won't be the major income source because of how many followers it would take to make decent money there. High level basketball and football are probably where the money is off of Instagram in regards to NIL.

For lower level athletes, the more likely options would be stuff like Twitch, Cameo, and stuff like that. Where it could get interesting and controversial which I would just about guarantee happens is someone on partial scholarship, like most non revenue sport athletes, is someone creating a Patreon or an OnlyFans account and posting nude images because it's just about guaranteed an athlete will go that route and a school will try and kick that person out for that.

A Mike Novitsky OnlyFans would be HOT FIRE

I’m stoked for Kentucky. Kentucky will be a whole lot of not great this year and we’ll be pretty solid. Should be another dub. Outside chance we pass them in all-time wins that day which would just be chefs kiss

@BShark first step is getting them in the door!

Billy Eugene really getting after it 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

@Marco said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@Kcmatt7 the universities in such a scenario would be paying them, right? Do those universities not receive billions of dollars a year from the government? Who gives the money to the government?

Universities and athletic departments are separate entities. KU Athletics doesn't receive public funding unless you count student fees.

I'm a huge fan of this guy; he's absolutely blown the F up recently. Unfortunately I don't think we're in on him at all. https://247sports.com/Player/Anthony-Black-46094020/ ↗

@Marco said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@drgnslayr Right? Who gets paid, and if so how much? How much do gymnasts get paid? What about cheerleaders or baseball players? I am not in support of the Court's decision. What, going to pay high schoolers next? What the ruling will cause due to opening the NCAA and or even universities up to lawsuits is complete chaos. It sooner rather than later hurting not only the true student-athlete - and there are alot of them - but also and eventually the entire system while perhaps ending it altogether. What about physics students who are studying to help advance the world and universe through science? How much should they be paid while going to school? What about the guy or girl who dresses as the mascot on gamedays?

Women student athletes have some of the highest earning potential once you factor in social media. Basketball, soccer, softball, and gymnastics all have a very strong following on Instagram, and student athletes will be able to cash in on that. 538 and OpenDorse did a cool analysis: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-money-could-student-athletes-make-as-social-media-influencers/ ↗ how many are household names? Not many! But Instagram is a very valuable medium for brands.

Yes, graduate students do make (awful) money. But not just for showing up. We're paid to teach courses and do research to earn our keep, and the actual dissertation work is mostly unpaid unless you can find independent grant funding.

@drgnslayr said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

@FarmerJayhawk

I just wonder if this becomes a perpetual academic pursuit for some in order to play "semi-pro" D1.

Nah, I don’t think the institutions have any interest in perpetual students.

@drgnslayr said in NCAA loses more power... again...:

Question: Why should a college athlete be time-limited on eligibility? Can a restaurant do that to waiters?

Let's talk complete meltdown in college sports.

Even with NIL, student athletes still have to be in good academic standing to play. Like I can go sign a deal with my local car dealership to be in a commercial but still have to make degree progress to be competition eligible. Two entirely different issues there. I don’t think anyone has a problem with degree progress requirements and the eligibility clock. Just while you’re in school have the economic rights any other student has.

@approxinfinity said in Coach K to retire after 21-22 season:

I want to see Self put more PGs and Cs in the league. Least worried about wings.

Withey, Embiid, Doke? I think Landen is the only starting true center of the Self era that didn’t at least get a cup of coffee in the NBA.

@justanotherfan Grimes was a miss by the scouting industry. It was pretty clear from the jump he wasn't a top 10 player and needed a lot of time to develop. Vick and Greene both had more than their share of mental health issues at KU. I believe they both have diagnosed issues. Injuries were a factor with Elijah, and he didn't develop the skill to make up for it. White just wasn't a good enough athlete.

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2022 Crootin:

@jayballer67 said in 2022 Crootin:

Farmer I was under the idea that Peoples was up his commitment date to this weekend. Haven't heard or seen anything no matter where it was - - what happened ? -- Did he end up committing somewhere else?

It’ll be today, and KU. I haven’t heard a specific time though.

Jokes. Have to love recruiting

@jayballer67 said in 2022 Crootin:

Farmer I was under the idea that Peoples was up his commitment date to this weekend. Haven't heard or seen anything no matter where it was - - what happened ? -- Did he end up committing somewhere else?

It’ll be today, and KU. I haven’t heard a specific time though.