@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2020 Transfer List:
@KirkIsMyHinrich A lot of fans may not be aware the transfer waiver rule got shelved until next year.
Still the NCAA is handing them out like candy.
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Without being super cryptic, I can unequivocally say this will be the best all-HS class in KU history. Sure, this isn’t 2007 Les Miles when he threw 99, but he’s still got 93-94. And still hires super talented assistants. Dearmon, Jones, and Chidera stick out. Jackson is no slouch either.
Dam is about to burst.
Chaundee to Meeeechigan. Good pickup for them after they lost Todd.
@benshawks08 said in Differentiating fact from opinion on COVID-19:
Ok, fact or opinion? Is trump actually taking hudroxochlorine (I know I spelled that wrong...)?
If so, why?
If not, why lie about it?
The memo from his doc is about as vague as could be, and never said he was actually taking it or in what form. Everyone in MAGA land is so invested in hcq and it’s very bizarre.
@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:
Think I'm gonna go out on a little bit of a limb & take a chance and say ,I think I would be almost shocked if Kendall doesn't end up here at KU. Sure doesn't hurt with Zach committing to play here next year either , can only help I would think. - ROCK CHALK ALLD AY LONG BABY
We good
What about them, other than the obvious?
@Woodrow said in 2020 Recruiting:
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Seems fishy to me. Jake sometimes gets out over his skis. Last I heard (a couple days ago) we had our 13. But alas, things can change quickly in cruitin
Kittens are going after him hard. Buddy of mine with solid connections in their AD said he’s “KU’s if they really want him.”
@Marco said in NOA response from KU discussion:
Question. Has the NCAA ever lost? Get ready, with our case soon looming - along with everything else that is going on - they are soon going to. In fact, I'll take it a step further. The NCAA will soon offer KU very favorable terms, wanting us to get in line. But should we? The NCAA's days of being judge, jury and executioner are coming to an end.
Sort of. They settled with Penn St. and the state government over the fine and vacating Paterno's wins. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/sports/ncaafootball/how-one-legislator-helped-penn-state-escape-ncaas-harsh-penalties.html?auth=login-email&login=email ↗
Is out! Glad we got a bye in KC.
Nov. 10: vs. Kentucky (in Chicago)
Nov. 13: vs. Southern Utah
Nov. 16: vs. Eastern Illinois
Nov. 20: vs. Stony Brook
Nov. 26/27: Wooden Legacy Tournament (Virginia, Georgetown, UCLA)
Dec. 3: vs. Creighton
Dec. 8: vs. Omaha
Dec. 12: vs. Missouri (at Sprint Center)
Dec. 19: vs. USC
Dec. 22: at Colorado
Dec. 29: vs. Harvard
Jan. 30: Big 12 vs. SEC Challenge
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2020 Transfer List:
@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk Great. Was Eastern playing hurt last year or something? That's a sharp decline.
Eastern was never that good even when healthy. I'd rather have Haarms than Eastern and opinion of Haarms wasn't that high to begin with.
For sure. He’s a homeless man’s Marcus Garrett. And KU was his dream school once upon a time.
@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk Great. Was Eastern playing hurt last year or something? That's a sharp decline.
Carsen Edwards made up for a lot of flaws. The rest of the squad was just JAGs.
@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk woof. Thankfully not happening.
Yep, we’re set. Had a long chat with a KU guy the other day and nobody expects any departures.
If there were a guy Bill would snatch up immediately and we’d all go wut it would be Eastern. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/nojel-eastern-1.html ↗
@Marco said in NOA response from KU discussion:
@HighEliteMajor said in NOA response from KU discussion:
@Marco A realistic question - if folks are tired of the NCAA's "dictatorial" ways, why do the colleges allow it? I understand the sentiment. We all hate the NCAA I guess. But the schools don't. The schools make the rules. The schools could upend all of their authority.
To everyone on this topic - The facts aren't in our favor. All the nit-picking about who knew what, or told someone, or whatever, is irrelevant. Here's why - the NCAA, with all of that, already leveled its opinion by sending us the NOA. Then, after our Response, they came back with their Reply and said our violations were "severe and egregious." The NCAA knows these facts and with that, they doubled-down and did not moderate.
@hawkfan01 I don't think Bray's comment does anything for KU. The issue for Bray would be if their shoeco paid athletes to go to ND. Then they'd be in the same hot water IF the NCAA had that info. Correct? If details on Zion come out, I think we'll still look bad .. but Duke may look just as bad. And, of course, that is good.
@BeddieKU23 I'm interested in the rule section you're referring to on using trial or third party evidence. Do you have a reference to that?
The chatter has finally started, universities are talking about upending it. Time for the parasites to go get real jobs. Do I think that the NCAA has a purpose as a loose governing body? Yeah, I guess so, for the sake of all men's and women's athletics. But way out of the periphery, and not so much in everyone's grill as they pick winners and losers while - yeah, I'm saying it - lining their own pockets.
This nation has a serious problem with protecting and further enriching those who already have and or have been in power. Case in point, Condoleeza Rice. I like her, always have, but what business does she have being on both the NCAA college football playoff committee and one that recommends changes to college basketball? Because she is a fan? Give me a break.
There are cracks forming all around the NCAA’s foundation. NIL is here whether they like it or not. With football becoming an increasingly large share of the market, the NCAA is becoming less and less financially relevant since football is just the conferences and TV. There is no official NCAA title for football like there is in other sports. So there’s proof of concept that at least financially, the jig is up. Power leagues could play postseason tournaments in basketball too. ESPN would love to have a college hoops playoff. The schools wouldn’t have to use the NCAA as a middle man.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NOA response from KU discussion:
@FarmerJayhawk said in NOA response from KU discussion:
If colleges make the bad choice to bring athletes on campus but tell other students to stay home it’ll send exactly the wrong message about “amateurism.”
There's several ways to look at this. Before I get to that though, I want to say that is coming from the lense that the NCAA doesn't give two 💩 about college football because they don't profit off of college football. ESPN owns the playoffs and the conferences negotiate their own TV deals. The NCAA will be singing a different time this fall when it's time for college basketball to start up since that's where the vast majority of the NCAA's operating finances come from and they're going to be desperate in not wanting to miss out on a second straight NCAA Tournament because I'm sure their pocketbook took a huge hit this year and why they tried so hard to find a viable alternative so they could still get their TV money.
First of all, the NCAA moving towards the adoption of allowing players to make money off of themselves is a huge step forward for college athletics. That statement @BShark linked to is also significant because it's another step away from the charade that college athletics is amateur in nature, at least in regards to football and men's basketball. If that's the position the NCAA, conferences, and schools want to take, then I have no problem with players coming back before students because nobody is pretending they are student-athletes anymore. They're being viewed and treated like athletic-students in that case and should have a different set of rules applied to them in that case.
The other side is if those groups want to keep up the charade that these kids are true students first, then I would agree with keeping them away from campuses until everyone else returns as well. If you want to bring in the football players in the summer like normal because of plans to reopen the campus in August/September to students, I wouldn't have an issue in that case either because that's standard for programs to get their kids conditioned and ready for the season.
Ideally before the end of the month, you would have the NCAA talk to conference commissioners about their support of the rule change in regards to players profiting off their likeness which basically says these kids are more than just student-athletes now. Then the conference commissioners get on conference call with all of the AD's and university presidents to to establish how student-atheltes are viewed in their eyes based on the NCAA's endorsement of players profiting off their image and come to a decision about how the school's themselves view these athletes in that light.
If they can profit from playing and have access to tests and the like then I don't have a problem with it assuming they follow state and local guidelines. But under the scenario where we don't have students back on campus, NIL is still more an idea than reality, and schools want to play football, I think that's rank hypocrisy. I don't think it'll happen thankfully. I do believe students will be on campuses in the fall with significant modifications to schedules. I have no idea what'll happen with football beyond I think they play at some point. I could see a delayed season without fans but I don't think there's much of a chance they'll cancel the season
If colleges make the bad choice to bring athletes on campus but tell other students to stay home it’ll send exactly the wrong message about “amateurism.”
Bates, Sallis, Brown, Clemence. Call it a class. Add a big if an additional spot comes open.
Well that came out of nowhere. Niiiice.
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in What we all knew was happening at Duke with Zion is finally hitting the fan.:
@kjayhawks said in What we all knew was happening at Duke with Zion is finally hitting the fan.:
They are Nike, absolutely nothing will come of this.
This has nothing to do with the NCAA.
This is Zion's former marketing rep suing Zion for breach of contract. This will be in a court room under oath. Stuff will come out in this trial that the NCAA will not be able to ignore in regards to Duke.
“We can’t prove materials obtained under discovery, testimony and depositions under oath are accurate.” - the NCAA (probably)
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in NOA response from KU discussion:
The hammer might be about to drop on Duke.
Released a little under 2 hours ago from ESPN.
"Attorneys representing Zion Williamson's former marketing representative and her company have asked the New Orleans Pelicans star to admit that his mother and stepfather demanded and received gifts, money and other benefits from persons acting on behalf of Adidas and Nike and also from people associated with Duke to influence him to sign with the Blue Devils and to wear Nike or Adidas products."
The rest of the article goes into the background of the pending lawsuit that's about to come Zion's way.
This is about to get real ugly for the NCAA since they cleared Zion after Duke's "investigation" of Zion's recruit.
This is a fun quirk in NC law. NC statute says that a SA, defined as someone with remaining eligibility to compete, can sign a contract with a state licensed agent and cancel it within 14 days, no harm no foul. However, it does not mean you get your eligibility back. The agency's argument is Zion was never an eligible SA to begin with so did not have the ability under the statute to cancel the deal without cause. So seems ripe for discovery for Zion and dook. And using the NCAA's new authority to use evidence it didn't collect internally, ripe for sanction. If they want to say KU is at fault for something KU employees had no knowledge of, and that they were actually defrauded, the shoe fits here as well even in the unlikely case that, oh, I don't know, Jeff Capel who rented a house in Durham he owns to Zion's family, knew about certain improprieties. Hypothetically of course.
I think Les could go through 2025 just to have a shot at Missouri. That's going to be THE indicator if we made the right hire or not with him. Recruit all HS kids for 5 years and see where we are. It'll make the program a lot more attractive for the next guy, whoever he is. Plus the stadium will at least be far down the tracks (look for something similar to Sporting Park when the plans come out).
I remember John and his brother Joseph at Okie Lite. Hopefully little John is less of a head case than those dudes.
Just checked in with one of my main guys at KU. They're going at this until the bitter end with the full support of donors.
@BeddieKU23 said in NOA response from KU discussion:
Obviously the response from the NCAA will be a laugher. They will double down
I’m skimming it quick, and they have jack shit. They’ve never said shoe cos were boosters in any other case ever. They’re basically saying Gassnola perjured himself with no proof in pinning the violations on Self and Townsend. Even Mike Bray is like whoa there this is routine business you’re turning into L1 violations with no additional guidance telling us what we’re doing is wrong.
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@Woodrow said in 2020 Transfer List:
Sarr to Kentucky
Iff he gets a waiver. If he has to sit he’s heading overseas.
I think this team will be worse. On paper, lose almost all the production in the secondary (I don’t think Coe will be back), QB, and a decent amount along the lines. We’ll be at the same numbers scholarship wise, just younger. The junior class is essentially empty.
I love it for Tamar. Don't really think it hurts our chances. If it was Sallis I'd be like oh ish
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Self On Next Season:
@Crimsonorblue22 who's subbing for dave, Mitch?
Mitch and Silvio to some degree. If we can get 25ish MPG from McCormack, 10-15 for Mitch at the 4 and 5, Silvio can clean up the rest at 5-10 MPG.
@Crimsonorblue22 said in Self On Next Season:
@FarmerJayhawk so what's your lineup and subs look like, based on that article?
Starters: Garrett, Bryce, Braun, Ochai, McCormack
Subs: TGF, Harris, Lightfoot, Enaruna
Deep bench: Silvio, Wilson
Redshirts: Jossell, Gethro
Another great look https://theathletic.com/1789540/2020/05/04/a-bakers-dozen-thoughts-on-kansas-13-scholarship-players/?source=dailyemail ↗
Couple things that stick out: Tyon is Bill's new man crush. Expect him to get a lot of PT even if he doesn't start just because he can handle and guard. McCormack had the second highest USG on last years team(!) and was only 9/23 on midrange jumpers. Pls no more Dave. We'll play 4 out most of the time, with ideally 3 shooters on the floor at the same time. Harris is going to push for minutes because he'll make a lot of the right plays and avoid mistakes. Even moreso if he improved his shot last year.
C.J. lists Jossell at 6', and he's very much not 6' tall.
@jayballer73 said in 2020 Recruiting:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Recruiting:
@BeddieKU23 said in 2020 Recruiting:
He thinks hes kobe too
Lol at his coach comparing him to KD. Like stop
lol --no it's foster himself thinks he has some like Kd in him - -the Coach say Bagley & Ayton
You right. My brain is mush. But I do love the fit if something materializes. Doesn’t really fill a need next year (although guys that talented are exactly common) but fills a huge need in 21-22. And would have a year in the system.
@BeddieKU23 said in 2020 Recruiting:
He thinks hes kobe too
Lol at his coach comparing him to KD. Like stop
@jayballer73 said in 2020 Recruiting:
Soo , from everything I have heard we are full roster now for 2020 right ? -so if we are full then why do I keep hearing about possibilities for 2020 roster ? Is Coach & staff looking to squeeze someone out ?
Here is another possible situation. Mike Foster a 6'10 PF out of Hillcrest Prep is thinking about re-classifying to the class of 2020. - -Foster is the # 7 ESPN 60 player in the class of 2021. They are making comparisons of him to DeAndre Ayton & Marvin Bagley. - -Foster himself says he feels like he has some Durant in him
Here is the thing he won't be 17 until Feb - - -so whether if he re-classifies or not he has to stay for 2 years, as he is 2 yrs from being eligible for the NBA. - -He can't go G league as that league is for only kids who are finished with High School. So he be in College for 2 yrs.
Foster has been doing a lot of Zoom Calls has had Zoom Calls with Baylor , & Georgia and is probably going to be in a Zoom call with KU & Coach Self soon they said also a Zoom call with Illinois also Florida State & Michigan has been in contact several times. The player director said he is as good as Bagley was when he was there - -can get out and finish in traffic , has a really sweet jump hook - -Averaged 26 ppg & 13 rpg & 3 blocks per game this past season. - So are we really pursuing this kid? - sounds pretty sweet , but again if this is the case - -someone is getting the squeeze. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Foster isn’t a guy we can land at this point.
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:
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Just committed
@Texas-Hawk-10 said in 2020 Transfer List:
@FarmerJayhawk said in 2020 Transfer List:
I’m kind of a broken record but if we have a spot the Sarr kid from Wake is really intriguing. Watched him a lot in the ACC and he can really play. Gained like 30 pounds before last season and went nuts.
Sarr is a nice player, probably best big man to hit the market so far, but I wouldn't even look at him. He's not better than McCormack, so Sarr would never start at KU barring injury. Then the next issue would be making room for Sarr on the roster which would mean forcing someone else on the roster to transfer to make room. Jossell, Muscadin, or Silvio would be the options there and none of those would be a smart long term option. As hard as Self fought to get Silvio eligibility, it would be a terrible PR look to recruits to pick one year of Sarr over one year of Silvio. Muscadin is the future 5 so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to force Muscadin out for essentially a one year rental and have to try and find another 5 to replace McCormack with unknown sanctions looming.
The most interesting possibility is Latrell Jossell though. Sarr is a better player than Jossell, no argument there. KU is already thin for the future after this season at the 1-2 spots behind Garrett. Jossell is definitely a long term project and if KU were to decide to look elsewhere, it doesn't make sense to do so with someone whose ceiling at KU is a back up 5.
Like I said, Sarr is the best post player to hit market so far IMO, but KU doesn't need him and bringing him would do long term damage to the roster with what KU would have to do to bring him him.
Sarr is someone I see Kentucky making a very strong move in trying to bring in as hard as they went after Haarms.
That’s why I said if there was a spot, saying boot someone to make room.
I’m kind of a broken record but if we have a spot the Sarr kid from Wake is really intriguing. Watched him a lot in the ACC and he can really play. Gained like 30 pounds before last season and went nuts.
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@BeddieKU23 said in 2020 Transfer List:
Terrible spot to move up
For sure. I believe there’s a family issue which led him to stay close to home.
@Marco said in Adidas suing TJ Gassnola:
@FarmerJayhawk said in Adidas suing TJ Gassnola:
KU never really pursued Bowen. That was a recruitment that we were never going to win. But at different points Michigan State, Arizona, Creighton, DePaul, and Louisville led for him. Connect the dots there.
Maryland is UA, which kind of got the whole Silvio situation as crappy as it was. His guardian had to pay back UA so Adidas came in and fixed the situation so Silvio could go where he wanted (Kansas). Silvio was never involved.
I stand corrected, thanks. Thought Maryland was Adidas. But, yeah, the dots are obvious everywhere - Nike, Adidas, all of them. I have a question, @FarmerJayhawk. What do you, in your esteemed opinion, think that when all is said and done we're going to get out of this? I think censured and a reduction in scholarships, and Townsend gone. But I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first.
Idk about esteemed but I'll give it a go. I think a postseason ban, scholarship reduction, and Self gets suspended for non-con. KU will take the NCAA to court over it then who knows. I bet they settle on smaller scholarship reductions and suspension for Self. Townsend could end up the fall guy if he gets a show cause.
@BShark said in 2020 Transfer List:
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Will be moving up a league/level no doubt.
DePaul
@BeddieKU23 said in Whoa:
Little late as it now makes 7 guys going pro. NC St signee Josh Hall is the latest.
I know a lot of people think the Top 15 guys might look into going pro early but 4 of the 7 so far are 4 star prospects that have now left. I don't think anyone inside the Top 100 or so recruits is safe anymore.
Hall is a strange case as well since he's draft eligible this year.
KU never really pursued Bowen. That was a recruitment that we were never going to win. But at different points Michigan State, Arizona, Creighton, DePaul, and Louisville led for him. Connect the dots there.
Maryland is UA, which kind of got the whole Silvio situation as crappy as it was. His guardian had to pay back UA so Adidas came in and fixed the situation so Silvio could go where he wanted (Kansas). Silvio was never involved.