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@HighEliteMajor said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@approxinfinity True .. this is insanity. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29328113/oklahoma-state-mike-gundy-accused-using-racial-slur-1989-game ↗

Heck, 31 years ago? This is the lead story at ESPN.com. The lead story.

And we see the further movements to tearing down monuments to HISTORY? I mean the NEGRO league hall of fame remains open. No name change. Why? It's HISTORY. We can't change history. Doesn't mean certain things are celebrated. They are remembered, good, bad, indifferent.

Should we hold a long stranding grudge against the Japanese because they thought they were superior to us, bombed and killed thousands of Americans, and started the pacific war?

Well, if we hold that grudge or an old World War II vet might still call them Japs, well he's an old racist that can't let things go. I heard a discussion on that a while back.

Yes, we should tear down monuments to traitors who decided America wasn’t good enough because you couldn’t keep another man as your property. We don’t have a monument to the pilots who bombed Pearl Harbor. And we shouldn’t have monuments to traitors that weren’t built until the most racist President we may have ever had’s(Wilson) administration.

Zion/Duke • Jun 17, 2020 09:54 PM

Looks like an open and shut legal case. Things may still move forward in NC. ?s=21

2022 Recruiting Thread • Jun 16, 2020 07:35 PM

I was surprised they offered Juju. But sounds like he’s a lock if they’ll take his commitment.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Settlement agreement breaks down $2.55 million deal between KU and fired football coach Beaty; KU legal fees total $477K:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Settlement agreement breaks down $2.55 million deal between KU and fired football coach Beaty; KU legal fees total $477K:

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Settlement agreement breaks down $2.55 million deal between KU and fired football coach Beaty; KU legal fees total $477K:

@Kcmatt7 said in Settlement agreement breaks down $2.55 million deal between KU and fired football coach Beaty; KU legal fees total $477K:

This was an absolute disaster and a huge waste of money.

Les better win some football games soon or Jeff isn’t going to last long.

Jeff Long needs to go regardless of what Les Miles does on the field. There's a reason he's been run out of multiple jobs before. He's not a great judge of character based on how his Arkansas hires and he tends to piss off alums which wasting money on this Beaty lawsuit I'm sure isn't sitting well with quite a few alums right now.

Yes now is obviously the time to pay him a $3 million buyout in the middle of employee furloughs.

From my circle of KU friends, the attitude was either apathy or suck Beaty dry. The few “pay the man!!” People generally were much stronger basketball fans and probably couldn’t name half a dozen football players.

And FWIW, donors were behind Long on this. Rich people tend to frown upon getting cheated by their employees ¯_(ツ)_/¯

This was just a bad hire from the start. In the end, KU ended up saving about $100k than if they had just paid Beaty off to start with and wouldn't have taken the PR hit the department did from this mess. And the only reason they settled at this point was to avoid having Gassnola testify and potentially have something come out to hurt the basketball program's case. This is just a bad all around look for the athletic department and Long handled it about as poorly as possible. Our top donors don't exactly have a great history in regards to moving on from AD's or coaches in a timely manner considering Ritch Price and Brandon Schneider are still coaches despite their atrocious track records.

And Beaty is about a mil lighter so all told, ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, Zenger extending Schneider and not announcing it was ridiculous. Price would’ve been gone had there not been covid, so I’m willing to let Long hire a baseball coach. KU is definitely one of the hardest jobs in the league so I don’t expect CWS births every year but at least we should be respectable.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Settlement agreement breaks down $2.55 million deal between KU and fired football coach Beaty; KU legal fees total $477K:

@Kcmatt7 said in Settlement agreement breaks down $2.55 million deal between KU and fired football coach Beaty; KU legal fees total $477K:

This was an absolute disaster and a huge waste of money.

Les better win some football games soon or Jeff isn’t going to last long.

Jeff Long needs to go regardless of what Les Miles does on the field. There's a reason he's been run out of multiple jobs before. He's not a great judge of character based on how his Arkansas hires and he tends to piss off alums which wasting money on this Beaty lawsuit I'm sure isn't sitting well with quite a few alums right now.

Yes now is obviously the time to pay him a $3 million buyout in the middle of employee furloughs.

From my circle of KU friends, the attitude was either apathy or suck Beaty dry. The few “pay the man!!” People generally were much stronger basketball fans and probably couldn’t name half a dozen football players.

And FWIW, donors were behind Long on this. Rich people tend to frown upon getting cheated by their employees ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Ivanka not welcome in wichita • Jun 12, 2020 05:27 PM

@justanotherfan said in Ivanka not welcome in wichita:

@FarmerJayhawk said in Ivanka not welcome in wichita:

So after an almost 4 hour KBOR meeting, they put out a meaningless statement and Pres. Golden stays. Nobody ends up looking good. Well done everyone!

It was for show. They couldn't fire him without destroying any chance of getting a decent replacement. They also risked losing students over it. They might have gained some conservative students, but given the school's location, that's unlikely.

They had to appear to appease the political actors, but their hands were tied. Who would have wanted that job after seeing the previous holder get canned only a few months in?

And for losing 8 figures in donations and pledges to the school for how he handled it.

BLM? Read this opinion piece from 2015 • Jun 11, 2020 06:08 PM

@Kcmatt7 said in BLM? Read this opinion piece from 2015:

Yes. The left is the only one telling themselves things to make them sleep easy at night lol.

Sounds more like something Trump supporters would do while he tries to tweet law and order into existence.

Ivanka not welcome in wichita • Jun 11, 2020 03:30 AM

So after an almost 4 hour KBOR meeting, they put out a meaningless statement and Pres. Golden stays. Nobody ends up looking good. Well done everyone!

Zion/Duke • Jun 11, 2020 02:19 AM

@wissox said in Zion/Duke:

Will the Williamson peeps claim they were renting based on his future earnings?

Cliff Alexander’s mother would like a word 😂

BLM? Read this opinion piece from 2015 • Jun 10, 2020 09:34 PM

@HighEliteMajor said in BLM? Read this opinion piece from 2015:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/walmart-multicultural-hair-products-cases ↗

lol in 12 of almost 5000 stores. v edgy

Zion/Duke • Jun 10, 2020 09:25 PM

Sweet digs tho https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/81-Edgewood-Dr-Durham-NC-27713/84510117_zpid/ ↗

Zion/Duke • Jun 10, 2020 07:26 PM

Yep, nothing to see here. Increasing rent by $4000/month and somehow getting 3 new luxury cars is absolutely on the up and up. Nothing shady here. Clean as a whistle. ?s=21

How do you justify voting for this guy? • Jun 10, 2020 04:27 AM

@Crimsonorblue22 said in How do you justify voting for this guy?:

@kjayhawks https://www.cjonline.com/news/20200516/kansas-secretly-withheld-21-million-in-payments-to-foster-care-providers. ↗ Not on kelly

I was Appropriations CoS at the time and the administration withheld all that from us. I was LIVID when I found out. It was money we appropriated for them in good faith to do what we asked, to run a competent foster care system that works first for kids and next for families.

BLM? Read this opinion piece from 2015 • Jun 09, 2020 10:50 PM

@Kcmatt7 said in BLM? Read this opinion piece from 2015:

@FarmerJayhawk said in BLM? Read this opinion piece from 2015:

@Kcmatt7 said in BLM? Read this opinion piece from 2015:

I’d love to have the conversation.

Let’s solve one problem at a time.

If fewer single parent households means a better community, why won’t conservatives fund birth control?

Those dastardly conservatives checks notes and their... ummm... draconian Title X cuts which resulted in the non-ARRA record under the BCA signed by that right winger.. Obama..? https://www.hhs.gov/opa/title-x-family-planning/about-title-x-grants/funding-history/index.html ↗

Fair.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1402941001 ↗

Also this would be a nice in my face too.

Yep, the GOP has been on this for awhile. Jindal started speaking about it 12, and notably Sen. Gardner ran on it in 14.

BLM? Read this opinion piece from 2015 • Jun 09, 2020 05:52 PM

@Kcmatt7 said in BLM? Read this opinion piece from 2015:

I’d love to have the conversation.

Let’s solve one problem at a time.

If fewer single parent households means a better community, why won’t conservatives fund birth control?

Those dastardly conservatives checks notes and their... ummm... draconian Title X cuts which resulted in the non-ARRA record under the BCA signed by that right winger.. Obama..? https://www.hhs.gov/opa/title-x-family-planning/about-title-x-grants/funding-history/index.html ↗

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

Is five years long enough?

?s=21

In short, this evidence is not causal at all and is subject to all sorts of interpretations. How well did individual officers adhere to new guidelines? Were there sanctions if officers didn't follow the rules? Did the unions gain power during that time? We have 1000 possible confounds that make a causal interpretation impossible since we only have really two variables: policymakers saying new guidelines exist, and police shootings. We know nothing else about either variable from this tweet.

This is basically where my mind is at: https://reason.com/1969/11/01/the-cops-heroes-or-villains/ ↗ . We need a retaliatory force to correct acts of coercion criminals impose on victims. For example, if someone stole something of yours, there should be justice. This justice could be in terms of utility, the criminal steals my car, he goes to jail for as long as it takes for me to get a new one (in terms of utility). Or could be retribution, we as a society decide how long a car thief should be deprived of freedom for said act. If we attribute those same guidelines to cops (use coercion initiating violence) the officer should be held accountable. We expect our police (and courts) to act as the corrective force, that is to even the field between victim and perpetrator. Like it's not a coercive act to take my car back from a car thief since it wasn't the thief's right to take my car. You can only be coerced if you had the right to the thing in the first place (like me and my car.)

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk said;

So I guess we're putting people who commit violent felonies in detention? If a white kid rapes a girl, do we send him to therapy? There are so many unanswered questions that they have zero clue how to think through or come up with a coherent answer.

Let's start with how the current system handles "a white kid rapes a girl."

What happens first? Well a majority of the time absolutely nothing as most rapes go unreported. But let's say she goes to hospital to get help and is even able to identify the culprit (most people are raped by people they already know). It is still unlikely that she will press charges because as she reports it to the police she will be told, "most of these cases come down to he said, she said so there really won't be much of a case." So she goes home and faces the arduous task of dealing with just about the most traumatic injury that can happen to a person knowing nothing will happen to the person she sees regularly. She will be forced to make drastic changes to her normal routine and likely lose many friends and people who support her because they won't believe her especially because she didn't press charges.

In this scenario, sending a white kid to therapy would be a win for me. You?

Now, what if she doesn't know who committed the rape and does want to press charges. Clearance rates for these cases is horrendously low and likely her rape kit will be stuck in a giant line of rape kits that have yet to be evaluated. And all the stuff that happened to the girl in the first scenario still happens and now she also adds the fear of knowing her rapist (whom she can't identify) is still out and about without anyone addressing the issue.

So that is from her perspective.

Now let's look at it from the rapist's perspective. White kid rapes girl, nothing happens. What incentive or motivations are there for him to not do it again. In the current system, he raped a girl knowing that if caught he would go to prison (though not for as long as his black friend if he were caught doing the same thing). Knowing that he'd be labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life. But for him that didn't happen the first time (because it rarely does). What does that do to the fear of punishment (remember that originally wasn't enough to prevent him from raping in the first place)? Is he now more afraid or less? Is he more likely, or less to rape again?

Even if he is caught, if he is charged and if he is found guilty (three pretty big ifs if you've been paying any attention to the goings on in America), his rate of recidivism is still very high and he is likely to rape again within his lifetime.

Unfortunately, as has been proven over and over again, punishment is not the best way to shape human behavior. Our entire system is built on a false pretense. You may want revenge, and seeing someone punished might make you feel better, but it doesn't change behavior.

This is without even getting into the ridiculous race disparities in these punishments. And just to throw this out there, for every 9 people put to death by the state for crimes committed, 1 is set free due to new evidence proving their innocence or demonstrable evidence that justice and rule of law was not upheld during their original conviction.

Next let's take this one: "Nobody to respond to a break-in? Becomes more attractive to break into that Apple store for a Mac upgrade. Or: Apple hires private security at night and goes off half-cocked and kills a dumb kid for breaking in because well-trained police weren’t available."

A. Trained cops kill dumb kids for breaking in at a higher rate in this country than any other comparable democracy.

B. Apple, the mall, and everyone else who can afford it, already hire private security at night, during the day, when they are open and when they are closed.

THIS is the system you are upholding and claiming there is no alternative to. I think we can do better and it would be immoral not to at least try.

So in that first scenario, who A) arrests the guy and B ) ensures he sticks to the program and C) what penalties are there and how do we enforce them if not? Being incarcerated is a pretty big incentive to not assault anyone again. That's most of the reason we do it. With child predators, we incarcerate then warehouse them if deemed a continual threat to society. We can more easily mandate things like therapy when the dude is locked up. And again, if he does reoffend, who then takes him into custody? Like a violent felon is just going to be like "yeah, ok, you got me" to a non-police officer who isn't armed?

Yes, and I've made suggestions on training police. Eliminating them doesn't change the calculus there. Does your small mom and pop shop have to hire private security as well if they get robbed during the day? Go all vigilante and smoke the robber with a 12 gauge? Who investigates that crime? Do we just take every victim's word for it? Do prosecutors have to contract out all investigations? Do we just have a team of unarmed investigators without the police power to enforce subpoenas? That seems pretty legally dodgy and shortsighted.

I oppose the death penalty, but believe some level of force is required to deal with violent crime. It's unsavory and gross, but I really don't see the alternative (and frankly, nobody else does either at their own admission.)

2021 Recruiting • Jun 08, 2020 08:49 PM

Potential end of the bench/walk-on add. Like his game. Not a high flyer but very skilled at both guard spots. https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2021/zeke-mayo-239281 ↗

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk They also said they will be replacing it with an alternative model for public safety. Wholly re imagining a system to keep people safe is not the same as abandoning safety.

Here's what else could happen (because since it's never been tried, you have absolutely NO IDEA):

Crime rates could fall as community and education programs lift people up and remove the primary motivation for crime, poverty.

People from the poorest and most marginal groups in our society begin to develop a level of trust in a system that wasn't built to oppress them.

Homelessness will finally have enough funding to seriously address the issue (also reducing crime).

Here is what is already happening: People in certain communities aren't reporting crime because they fear reporting to the police will only make the problem worse or nothing will be done about it anyway. Rich people have private security and hire private investigators because they know police clearance rates are crap.

And if you are paying attention the "the movement," Camden, NJ, is not their poster child for the very reason you say.

So I guess we're putting people who commit violent felonies in detention? If a white kid rapes a girl, do we send him to therapy? There are so many unanswered questions that they have zero clue how to think through or come up with a coherent answer. We'll never solve poverty entirely either. Without sufficient state capacity to enforce contracts, there's little incentive to follow them, which will very much exacerbate issues of poverty that already exist.

Let's just look at this from a game theory perspective. Effectively, you've created an incentive for crime. Without the ability to effectively enforce the law, you'll have bad actors decide crime is a more attractive path. In GT parlance, you've made the payoff to crime higher than it otherwise would've been. No officer to bust you for drugs? Might as well sell on the busiest street corners. Nobody to respond to a break-in? Becomes more attractive to break into that Apple store for a Mac upgrade. Or: Apple hires private security at night and goes off half-cocked and kills a dumb kid for breaking in because well-trained police weren't available. The multitude of things that could go VERY bad here are staggering.

A well-respected black leader in St. Louis texted me last night and asked, "dude what the f*** are they doing? This is craziness." And look, I'll be thrilled if it works. Really. But the thought of a "police-free" city absolutely terrifies me.

The city council literally said they were eliminating police, not just tweaking some things. Unless police-free doesn’t actually mean police-free, like defund the police doesn’t actually mean defund the police?Nobody has ever tried that. Even the poster child for the movement, Camden, NJ, hired most of the same officers back after rebuilding their force.

Here’s what could happen: crime rates fall because people stop reporting crime because why report if there aren’t police to investigate? I guess the rich people with really great insurance can get PI’s?

I'm not sure the council knows what they're doing. At all. From their statement, "We recognize that we don't have all the answers about what a police-free future looks like, but our community does," they said, reading off a prepared statement. "We're committed to engaging with every willing community member in the City of Minneapolis over the next year to identify what safety looks like for you." The phrase police-free should scare the bejeezus out of everyone.
https://www.startribune.com/mpls-council-majority-backs-dismantling-police-department/571088302/ ↗

2020 Recruiting • Jun 08, 2020 12:36 AM

Jon Kuminga going pro.

2021 Recruiting • Jun 08, 2020 12:35 AM

@Marco said in 2021 Recruiting:

Chet Holmgren, do we have a chance? Is he even going to play college ball? Needs to put on weight, but the guy never stops going.

Negative. Senior Dave all the way in 21-22.

Ivanka not welcome in wichita • Jun 07, 2020 04:33 PM

@approxinfinity said in Ivanka not welcome in wichita:

@Kcmatt7 Koch brothers money all over Wichita State. Guess big money starting to see Trump as too toxic.

And the two families really, really don’t like each other.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk I’d be interested to see result from a similar poll conducted in the last year or so instead of 5 years ago.

I’ve only just started to learn about the abolish police/prison idea so I’m in no way an expert. But the more I read about it (whether I agree or not I am still working through) it’s clear to me it is not close to the same level of “crackpot” idea as the Soros paying cops to murder black people then paying black people to riot conspiracies. That was my main point of contention. I was having myself a day yesterday and perhaps didn’t explain my point of view clearly enough and maybe got a bit fired up in my general crankiness.

You seem like an academic who likes to read and learn so I’d encourage you to at least understand more of what the movement is advocating for before rejecting it completely. Never hurts to learn more about why massive numbers of people are protesting in every single state.

Teen vogue of all places has a couple good intro articles if you’re interested. If not, obviously that’s your perogative.

I found a similar poll (not the identical question so it's not a great comparison) that found only about 1/3 of black adults favored cutting funding to their police department. https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/s23agrrx47/20200531_yahoo_race_and_justice_crosstabs.pdf ↗

I'll take another look at it for sure. I did take on the absolutely masochistic task of reading White Fragility, Foucalt's postmodernism, and How to Be an Antiracist so I'm getting where they're coming from, but the philosophical foundation seems incredibly shaky. I'm open to reducing the amount of police if we can maintain public safety, but the details of actually pulling it off will be very difficult to work through. For example, one of the biggest expenditures in police forces is pension obligations to retired officers. In some states (notably California) it's unconstitutional to touch those pensions. There's a lot of unanswered questions and not a lot of policy detail out there, hence my severe skepticism.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 Wackos everywhere. No disagreement there. Just Interesting that the most racist wackos all seem to be Working for the Republican Party.

Also, don't pretend that Democrats have never done anything racist themselves. Trying to frame this as Republican vs. Democrat does nothing to help either side. Historically, Southerners who now tend to vote Republican have been more open about their racism as a culture. Northerners have historically been much more subtle in their racism which can be seen through policies such as redlining and gerrymandering.

Both parties have blood on their hands as far as racism in this country goes.

I agree the entire system is founded on racist policy. But to compare some on the left proposing radical policies to current Republican officials spreading racist conspiracies is a false equivalence and only works to excuse the behavior as “oh well, crazies be crazy” I’ve never said there aren’t wackos on both sides but do take issue with folks both sidesing where a majority of the Unapologetic racists sit politically RIGHT NOW!

Donald trump has purposely courted and emboldened disgusting scum for the last 4 years and only now are some republicans finally starting to examine what that has done to the party.

And, yes I Understand that most democrats prop up racist policies as well because white supremacy is deeply embedded in so many of the laws of this country including the ones you mentioned.

The north retreated from reconstruction policy as the kkk grew and spread around the south. As social Darwinism became a popular philosophy whites of all political persuasions began to believe maybe blacks were at the bottom because that’s where they are supposed to be. That’s the system folks are still fighting against to this day so forgive me for at least listening to people who think maybe the best idea for a clearly broken part of that system is to try something else completely. Black people didn’t even count as people when this system was formed so maybe reforms of that system aren’t enough.

It’s the height of privilege to tell the majority (92%!!) of black people they’re dead wrong to support either maintaining or increasing the their local police forces and decide that The Almighty White Saviors will just abolish the police and everything will he hunky dory, regardless of the black community’s opinion.

Never told anyone they were wrong. Just that I was willing to listen and I think racists are worse than optimists. When and where is that 92% Number from? Never even said if I agreed with abolish the police but ok. And yes as a white man I am the height of privileged. Just try not to pretend I’m. It like some folks. I don’t know the answers. I personally won’t solve systemic racism or police brutality. But I will continue to learn all I can.

This poll here https://news.gallup.com/poll/184511/blacks-divided-whether-police-treat-minorities-fairly.aspx ↗

It does seem there’s a big divide in what a lot of white liberals want (fewer police, not Biden) and most black folks, who tend to be more conservative, especially on culture issues. Not sure what that is (maybe just pragmatism?) but certainly an interesting trend in our politics.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t give a crap about party at the local level because there I can support who ever fits with my ideals. But at the national and state level my goal has been to get rid of trump at just about all costs and vote out Cornyn and Cruz for their unwavering support for him (on top of their policies I couldn’t disagree with more). I Give my support to anyone I find who fits my ideals but won’t waste my vote when i at least agree with more of one party’s stance when compared to the other. Is Biden a perfect candidate, far from it. Is he better than trump? It’s not even close.

Again, voting for the lesser of two evils is the bullshit mindset that got Trump elected in 2016 since he was viewed by a lot of people as the lesser of two evils between himself and Hilary.

Gary2016

Gary Johnson was my vote as well in 2016. Need to go do my homework on their potential candidates this year in next few weeks.

Jo Jorgensen is the LP nominee this year. Pretty uninspiring, honestly. I was pretty excited for Amash until his about face.

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 I don’t give a crap about party at the local level because there I can support who ever fits with my ideals. But at the national and state level my goal has been to get rid of trump at just about all costs and vote out Cornyn and Cruz for their unwavering support for him (on top of their policies I couldn’t disagree with more). I Give my support to anyone I find who fits my ideals but won’t waste my vote when i at least agree with more of one party’s stance when compared to the other. Is Biden a perfect candidate, far from it. Is he better than trump? It’s not even close.

Again, voting for the lesser of two evils is the bullshit mindset that got Trump elected in 2016 since he was viewed by a lot of people as the lesser of two evils between himself and Hilary.

Gary2016

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@Texas-Hawk-10 Wackos everywhere. No disagreement there. Just Interesting that the most racist wackos all seem to be Working for the Republican Party.

Also, don't pretend that Democrats have never done anything racist themselves. Trying to frame this as Republican vs. Democrat does nothing to help either side. Historically, Southerners who now tend to vote Republican have been more open about their racism as a culture. Northerners have historically been much more subtle in their racism which can be seen through policies such as redlining and gerrymandering.

Both parties have blood on their hands as far as racism in this country goes.

I agree the entire system is founded on racist policy. But to compare some on the left proposing radical policies to current Republican officials spreading racist conspiracies is a false equivalence and only works to excuse the behavior as “oh well, crazies be crazy” I’ve never said there aren’t wackos on both sides but do take issue with folks both sidesing where a majority of the Unapologetic racists sit politically RIGHT NOW!

Donald trump has purposely courted and emboldened disgusting scum for the last 4 years and only now are some republicans finally starting to examine what that has done to the party.

And, yes I Understand that most democrats prop up racist policies as well because white supremacy is deeply embedded in so many of the laws of this country including the ones you mentioned.

The north retreated from reconstruction policy as the kkk grew and spread around the south. As social Darwinism became a popular philosophy whites of all political persuasions began to believe maybe blacks were at the bottom because that’s where they are supposed to be. That’s the system folks are still fighting against to this day so forgive me for at least listening to people who think maybe the best idea for a clearly broken part of that system is to try something else completely. Black people didn’t even count as people when this system was formed so maybe reforms of that system aren’t enough.

It’s the height of privilege to tell the majority (92%!!) of black people they’re dead wrong to support either maintaining or increasing the their local police forces and decide that The Almighty White Saviors will just abolish the police and everything will he hunky dory, regardless of the black community’s opinion.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk Your telling me this viewpoint is as hateful and dangerous as racist conspiracy theories? Your example is trying to reimagine the way we look at the world with peace and love while the one I shared is spreading and sowing hate. You are free to believe what you want obviously but I know which I find more dangerous and appalling.

https://time.com/5848705/disband-and-replace-minneapolis-police/ ↗

Dangerous, absolutely. A city without police will be a war zone. I’m all for police reform, but getting rid of it entirely is madness. And who will be harmed most? The poor and those unable to look out for themselves. The rich in gated communities can hire private security and protect themselves. But the small business owner living downtown? Who does she call if someone breaks in and robs her store? A social worker? You’ll have people taking law enforcement into their own hands, which has always worked so well, like in the Ahmed Aubrey shooting. So yes, I’m anti-getting people killed with dumb policy. I’m also anti-crackpot GOP volunteers.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk And tell me again how that is close to the same as racist conspiracy theories?

And does he work directly for the Democratic Party? Can’t seem to find that he does. I may be wrong.

Ilhan Omar is calling for abolishing the Minneapolis PD and she’s a member of Congress. I think calling for a policy that will get thousands of people murdered is much worse than a few crackpots on the right saying some dumb stuff.

Again, the right doesn’t have a monopoly on this. ?s=21

NOA response from KU discussion • Jun 05, 2020 04:54 PM

Case probably won’t take the pay cut to go pro. Probably doesn’t change much for us. Our case hinges on Gassnola, not anyone employed by KU.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk would you kneel w/them?

Probably not. I prefer to engage in other ways. To me, protest is a deeply personal thing and I can do so in more effective ways. But that’s a personal judgment and I support citizens’ First Amendment rights.

@Crimsonorblue22 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

What would you guys think if your nfl team took a knee this season?

Fine by me. They're private citizens and can protest however they choose.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@mayjay 98% if you ask him.

@FarmerJayhawk why is defunding the police a nutty policy option. It’s in no way equivalent to conspiracy cop killings to hurt trump. You yourself said they have too much military gear and overly police certain areas did you not? Is there significant proof that skyrocketing police budgets are reducing crime?

Defunding means to zero out the budget. That's bat guano insane.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk Does highlight the importance of paying attention locally as well as nationally. That "nut picking" was kind of my point. It might just be that one person never really fully represents an entire movement and instead only represents themselves. Still, glad she's being held accountable where others with similar tendencies have not.

Just saying, nut picking is not a great idea from the left right now when “Defund the Police” is being sold as a legitimate policy option worthy of consideration.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

Perhaps the flippant tone wasn’t the best approach and obviously republicans are calling for her to resign as that is the title of the link.

But ask yourself, is Donald Trump more likely to retweet the conspiracy theory or the calls for her to resign?

I’ll remember in the future that chairs of the Republican Party don’t represent republican ideas. Sorry if I offended any “center right” folks.

Random county chairs generally don't represent the median or even mean view of Republicans. They tend to be a lot more radical. I'm just tired of "nut picking" where we hunt for the crazies on both sides and say they represent an entire movement.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

When people complain about the radical left while this kind of stuff is now considered center right...

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/texas-gop-official-claims-george-floyds-death-was-staged-to-hurt-trump-in-rant-about-mind-control-experiments/ ↗

Come on man, the first couple paragraphs have denunciations from Gov. Abbott and Rep. Roy (both very conservative). That's fringe, whack job stuff. Not center right at all.

Other bball news • Jun 03, 2020 06:48 PM

Mike Miller out at Memphis. Huge blow for their efforts on the trail. Looking like Penny could be more sizzle than substance.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk Those all sound like a good start.

I go back and forth on unions because as a teacher (and specifically as a special
Education teacher for 5 years) I’ve seen the good and bad of teacher unions. They provide a singular voice that can advocate for raises and structural changes that have made life better for teachers. At the same time, I’ve watched unions handcuff administrators from getting rid of objectively bad teachers.

With more and more money filtering up instead of trickling down, unions are essential to leveling the playing field but I agree the police unions are notoriously awful and a serious problem that needs to be dealt with.

Your list is about as good of list as I’ve seen and I appreciate you note they are “low hanging fruit” meaning there are larger systems changes need beyond those as well.

Well done.

Thank ya. My view is teachers’ unions are net negatives to kids (Caroline Hoxby has done great work on the topic). But police unions are an obvious negative. In general, I’m very uncomfortable with the notion of public servants striking against the neediest in society.

The one thing I didn’t get to because I don’t have my head wrapped around entirely yet is a rewrite of criminal codes. I think we have far too many laws and regulations on the books, which complicates the job of law enforcement beyond what is necessary or even good. That’s sort of the coup de gras I’m after in this whole shindig. My man Chris Arnade (if you haven’t read his boom Dignity, please do. It’s required for understanding real poverty) calls it libertarianism for the upper class, authoritarianism for the lower class. I want the forever for everyone!

@HighEliteMajor said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

I hear folks all over saying there needs to be an "honest" conversation. I've tried that. I tried it here. But whenever the conversation gets uncomfortable, or it strays into territories that leftists see as off limits, the conversation ends.

Remember, police have to have a high presence in high crime areas or the good citizens will be the victims. If there is not high crime, then there is not a high police presence. That's how it works. When police see, day after day, black men committing horrible crimes, which is a fact in the inner city. It's an undeniable fact. The lesser of those cops take the brutality route. Day after day, the same thing.

Policing in high crime areas is not nice. Policing attracts man folks that are on power trips and that have violent tempers. The worst sort of personality one might think for the job. In some situations, their aggressiveness may save lives.

But it's why you have police brutality. Because you have many of the wrong personalities in police work. And they can't control themselves based on what they see day to day.

There are many pieces to this puzzle. One is that the inner city black culture, the same stuff I have railed against, has to change. That's one piece. And until there is some sort of moral foundation, that piece will never end.

A small sampling from Minneapolis, this one from the last September. And right, you see crap like this regularly.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/09/16/20-arrested-18-charged-in-brutal-downtown-minneapolis-robberies/ ↗

Of course, my thread that pretty much devolved into anything but a discussion. There is no discussion when you challenge a leftist, even if the purpose and concern is to protect the lives and safety of the good inner city folks. It doesn't matter. You say "race", the leftist convulses.

Folks act in cultures. Many sub-cultures are grouped by race. This is one. The destructive inner city black culture.

But guess which else is one -- the cop culture. This is a huge issue that is part of the problem. But see the leftists will only acknowledge "culture" when it works for them. An important distinction when it comes to rationality.

Until the the self-inflicted issues are address in the inner city, all the money thrown that way won't do any good. The way people think and approach life is the only thing that keeps folks from killing and maiming.

/topic/9118

Here's a post I made in this topic when asked what I'd do in the inner city -


@Kcmatt7 At the core, this starts with acknowledging the problem. That’s the impasse. Until the problem is ID’d and acknowledged, you can’t attack it. The fact is it is an inner city culture of violence. Changing culture takes a long time.

First identify “inner city safety zones.”

  1. Public steps to involve the churches and faiths. Get people to church in these zones. The church is a huge factor in turning this around.

  2. Public steps to encourage and foster marriage. Inner city safety zones that reward folks for marriage and self sufficiency. But more, public efforts to discuss and call out the “baby mama” culture. This is the real enemy. 75% single mother births among blacks. Worse among inner city blacks. Much higher than other races or cultures.

  3. The president has to take the lead. I felt Obama missed an historic opportunity. Trump obviously can’t do it. We need another president to make this job one. The first domestic priority. The one where the most lives are lost/destroyed.

  4. Have special inner city safety zone courts that expedite prosecutions, warrants, and labeling of threats.

  5. We have hate crime legislation that leads to outrageous results. Use that logic. Huge sentences for crimes in inner city zones were the real violence is occurring. Drive by and shoot a little black child on a porch, life in prison regardless of whether there is a death. Wear a mask in a crime, 5 more years. Robbery, any kind, 40 years. Develop a ridiculously strict sentencing structure for inner city safety zones.

  6. Inner city gang affiliation prosecuted as RICO crimes. Increase sentences for inner city safety zones. You go to jail for being in a criminal gang. Just for affiliation.

  7. Stop and frisk permitted in inner city zones of all males. Horrible? Discriminatory? Yes on both counts. Too bad. Males are 95% of the problem.

  8. If you have a felony conviction for anything violent, or you are an ID’d gang member by the safety zone courts, inner city zone warrants automatically issued for random searches of home and auto. Inner city courts can order drug treatment without a trial. 90 day commitments.

  9. In inner city safety zones, curfews strictly enforced. Cars pulled over after 10:00. People off the streets. Only to and from work and a few other exceptions. Businesses close at 9:00.

  10. Posting of army style officers that walk a beat in these areas. In pairs. No female cops in these areas. No male cops under 200 pounds. Much higher pay. Elite training. Federal involvement in supporting/training.

  11. Air surveillance, like a war zone.

  12. Massive use of food kitchens. Free meals in all inner city safety zones. No one starves. No one steals for food. Involvement of churches is a must.

  13. Partnership program for schools with suburban districts. Vouchers (money) for “tuition” and transport. Partnership programs include working families so inner city kids can live with suburban families during the week and attend school there. Work with the suburban private schools too.

These are tax dollars I’m willing to pay.

Of course, this is all discriminatory. I want to discriminate IN FAVOR of protecting good inner city folks. I noticed that over 70% of Baltimore residents were in favor of police air surveillance while the ACLU says it’s discriminatory. That should tell everyone something. The majority of inner city folks aren’t part of the culture. They want safety, security, and the ability to succeed.

These thugs are the enemy. Try to change their hearts and minds, but attack the criminals is they won’t change. Culture change takes time.

This isn’t perfect. It’s a discussion point. I am just sickened by the violence and the loss of lives that no one values.

Just off the top of my head. I know, impossible. But you asked.


I've also posted this before. I want a high quality police force. Pay officers $120,000 year or whatever is high for an area. Attract better people. It seems simple, but better people make better decisions. The "cop" mentality -- I'm the boss, I'm in control, I have power -- is a high contributor. The cop culture. Personally, I think non-cops should be in charge of cops. Folks that understand the law. Folks that aren't part of the culture.

To change certain elements of the police requires non-police to be in charge. And when the shroud of the cop culture is lifted, the many, many excellent officers will be able to change that culture.

I'm good with encouraging better behavior. It's abundantly clear from the data that if you graduate high school, get married, then have children (the order is important), the chances of you being in poverty are minuscule, like under 1%.

  1. Absolutely unconstitutional.
  2. Hate crime legislation is dumb, but frankly state and local governments don't have the resources to handle the huge increase in policing and warehousing of inmates. If we want a real world example, look at 3 strikes laws. Most of the evidence ↗ doesn't find much effect on crime. And the costs of enforcement are obviously sky high.
  3. Re: stop and frisk, it did reduce crime but not to the extent ↗ most believe and costs are exorbitant.
  4. Very unconstitutional.
  5. Emergency powers are pretty limited outside narrow circumstances of an ongoing emergency, think like a hurricane. Courts would not look kindly on a permanent declaration, as we've seen from some of the COVID politics.
  6. Militarization of police doesn't really reduce crime, just makes police more lethal ↗. Pass on that. Montana is a model in demilitarizing its police forces.
  7. School choice is a good idea. Should be expanded.

So what would I do? There are a handful of low hanging fruit type things we can do to both reduce police violence and crime. And I'm trained public policy doctor (i.e. not the kind that helps people) so I can geek out on things we know worked. And I have receipts, as the youths would say.

  1. End qualified immunity. It makes no sense to protect police from all but the worst criminal conduct. Effectively, you can only sue and win for getting killed, which seems not ideal.
  2. Ban police unions. I wish we'd get rid of all public sector unions, but I'll start here. Unions have one purpose: to protect its members. For example, union contracts can wipe officer disciplinary records every 60 days (!), give officers access to video of incidents before they give a statement, and gives officers paid leave after a shooting. Just reprehensible stuff. Probably the best pape ↗r on this I've seen found the right to bargain led to a 40% (!) increase in violent police incidents.
  3. End the Pentagon's program of transferring military equipment to local PD's. A pretty solid paper ↗ found 1033 transfers caused a 129% increase in civilian deaths in a given county. Police in our cities looking like paramilitary forces decreases trust, makes it more dangerous for both cops and citizens, and is generally a waste of money.
  4. De-police some 911 calls. In a former life, I was part of an effort dispatch mental health first aid workers instead of or with police on calls that involved an obviously sick individual. I can't find the source (since it's Kansas, it's probably not electronic, woof) but something like 10% of calls involved dispatching a mental health worker. If we have pros who are used to dealing with the mentally ill, we drastically reduce the risk of a cop killing someone who's sick and needs treatment, not prison.
  5. The federal government needs robust resources to conduct civil rights reviews on local PD's. Turns out, accountability works. !alt text ↗
  6. Limit use of force police can lawfully take. Biggest few items are: use firearms as a last resort, ban chokeholds, and increase reporting of incidents (see #2). All these bans reduced ↗ police-involved killings by over 20%.
  7. Screen applicants to police jobs by IQ. Yeah, IQ is controversial, which has always struck me as weird, but turns out we've done this and it worked. Like really well ↗. Nobody with an IQ below 95 should be eligible to become a police officer. Full stop.
  8. And the final salvo, end the drug war. Seriously, by almost every metric it's been a complete and utter failure. The most prominent results are people like Pablo Escobar and the Mexican cartels. Just to put some more meat on these bones, we've really cracked down on cocaine and marijuana possession since the 70's, yet we're importing as much cocaine now as we did in the early 80's. Effectively, the War on Drugs has not stemmed the supply side of hard drugs here in the US. As a success story, Texas instituted drug courts to funnel people to treatment instead of jail and ended up closing about one prison per year over the last decade.

Tl;dr. We can do this by trusting individuals to do the right thing and repealing a bunch of bad laws. Change incentives and behavior changes. It's a Christmas miracle!

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk Tell me more about why you think understanding the origins of “whiteness” and the history of racism is not important work for white people to do. Is racism an issue of importance for you? Are you angered by the actions of the officers in Minneapolis? I’m really just trying to understand where you are coming from and know you have a history of fully explaining your stance. Where are you at in your head right now?

I'm all for reading history and gaining an understanding of the world. However, CRT is the exact wrong lens for anyone to view what is obviously a horrific crime through. A theory that boils people down to their skin color and as one of its tenets says that to be of a particular race, you have to hold a specific set of views, is societal poison. A theory that accepts no dissent, no conversation except on its terms, and if you question it you're obviously mentally defective at best is horrible for society. A theory and worldview that has an anchor of life is all about hierarchies and struggles for power foments those exact things. I've seen it when brought to these conclusions at Evergreen State College and Yale. We've seen it in the press the last couple days with certain segments of the population encouraging the riots and "burn it all (meaning mostly minority-owned businesses) down" in the name of "justice."

I stand with Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) who marched with Dr. King, "Rioting, looting, and burning is not the way. Organize. Demonstrate. Sit-in. Stand-up. Vote. Be constructive, not destructive. History has proven time and again that non-violent, peaceful protest is the way to achieve the justice and equality that we all deserve."

“Our work won't be easy — nothing worth having ever is — but I strongly believe, as Dr. King once said, that while the arc of the moral universe is long, it bends toward justice.”

My focus has been and always will be on equality and equalizing everyone's opportunities in society (i.e. equality instead of equity). Are we there yet? Of course not. But I'm tired of being told this is inadequate and shows my "privilege." I want the boot of the state off the neck of the black community, the brown community, and everyone else. Don't put the weight of the state behind or on top of anyone. Respect all our individuality and rights equally, and follow the liberal ordering of society.

Ok, but if you agree we aren’t at equality yet then that is inadequate, right? How long have we been working towards equality? I’m tired of people doing everything they can to make sure we don’t “go too far.” Yes it sucks to be constantly reminded of the privilege we hold as white people but certainly it doesn’t compare to being constantly reminded that you don’t matter as much as people of another race.

The people in power ARE NOT “respecting all our individuality and rights equally” and have no intention of giving up that power if they are not forced to do so. To be clear, I think destroying property and “burning it all down“ with respect to businesses is wrong. That doesn’t mean I can’t empathize with why people feel the need to do such things. Peaceful protests have happened after every majorly covered instance of police violence and very little has changed. Police are more militarized than ever and the president is advocating the shooting and brutalization of folks out protesting. As far as I know, the penalty for looting is not and should not be death.

I’m tired of white people being tired. We’ve ignored the plight and tacitly accepted inequality for too long. I’m taking action by reading black voices, voting, donating time, donating money, Supporting community events, calling elected officials, VOTING, having tough conversations with my family, and calling out racism whenever and wherever I see it. If these things upset, frustrate, or exhaust white folks, I’m guess I’m ok with that.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I'm working toward equality every single day and am proud of what I've accomplished in that regard so far in changing public policy. I just get tired of other whites who don't know me (most of whom are whiter than myself, since I have a Native great grandparent) that my efforts aren't adequate.

And I still believe every worldview that doesn't feel inequality is adequate is a poisonous mind virus that'll tear society apart at the seams because its logical conclusions lead to some very, very scary stuff like depriving people of their own individual identities (like under CRT you're not really black unless you hold the right views about race.) It's a deeply pessimistic, cynical, and arguably paranoid view of society that never prescribes any real solutions (because it can't, it says so explicitly in the theory under the banner of there being no such thing as objective truth). As an example, this quote directly from a CRT text, "Third, CRT questions liberalism and the ability of a system of law built on it to create a just society. An interest convergence critique posits that white elites will tolerate or encourage racial advances for blacks only when such advances also promote white self-interest." Liberalism, understood as a societal code with equal protection under law, is the highest ideal. I'll have nothing to do with CRT's poison. And I admit that makes me analogous to the Klan under CRT but I really don't care. My record speaks for itself.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk Tell me more about why you think understanding the origins of “whiteness” and the history of racism is not important work for white people to do. Is racism an issue of importance for you? Are you angered by the actions of the officers in Minneapolis? I’m really just trying to understand where you are coming from and know you have a history of fully explaining your stance. Where are you at in your head right now?

I'm all for reading history and gaining an understanding of the world. However, CRT is the exact wrong lens for anyone to view what is obviously a horrific crime through. A theory that boils people down to their skin color and as one of its tenets says that to be of a particular race, you have to hold a specific set of views, is societal poison. A theory that accepts no dissent, no conversation except on its terms, and if you question it you're obviously mentally defective at best is horrible for society. A theory and worldview that has an anchor of life is all about hierarchies and struggles for power foments those exact things. I've seen it when brought to these conclusions at Evergreen State College and Yale. We've seen it in the press the last couple days with certain segments of the population encouraging the riots and "burn it all (meaning mostly minority-owned businesses) down" in the name of "justice."

I stand with Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) who marched with Dr. King, "Rioting, looting, and burning is not the way. Organize. Demonstrate. Sit-in. Stand-up. Vote. Be constructive, not destructive. History has proven time and again that non-violent, peaceful protest is the way to achieve the justice and equality that we all deserve."

“Our work won't be easy — nothing worth having ever is — but I strongly believe, as Dr. King once said, that while the arc of the moral universe is long, it bends toward justice.”

My focus has been and always will be on equality and equalizing everyone's opportunities in society (i.e. equality instead of equity). Are we there yet? Of course not. But I'm tired of being told this is inadequate and shows my "privilege." I want the boot of the state off the neck of the black community, the brown community, and everyone else. Don't put the weight of the state behind or on top of anyone. Respect all our individuality and rights equally, and follow the liberal ordering of society.

@benshawks08 said in Racial Truths and Untruths and the Search for Justice while Doing Justice (previously titled To Infinity and Beyond):

@FarmerJayhawk So in your opinion, white people learning and seeking understanding of racism, it’s origins, and it’s current impact is bad? That seems helpful. Glad you’re doing your part.

I’m not going to let CRT, which dehumanizes people and when taken to its logical conclusion, ends with anarchy and then authoritarianism, dictate my thoughts and actions.

I’ve been fighting for immigration, police, and criminal justice reform since I could vote. I’m proud of that. Sorry I’m being # hash tag PRAWBLUMATIK

If only white people posted more Instagram stories about race, then everything will be ok.

I swear by the end of this critical race theory is going to be more dangerous than COVID.

2020 Transfer List • May 30, 2020 08:00 PM

Jeez, I wish we had a spot for Mann or Nembhard. Liked both of them a lot out of HS. https://247sports.com/college/florida/Article/Andrew-Nembhard-transfers-from-Florida-Gators-Basketball-after-withdrawing-from-NBA-Draft-147669710/ ↗

2021 Recruiting • May 30, 2020 12:25 AM

@jayballer73 said in 2021 Recruiting:

@FarmerJayhawk said in 2021 Recruiting:

KK Chandler to Sunrise. They’re going to be incredible.

you talk about loaded. Brown , Dick , Chandler , & Clemons right ?

Yessir. Hope KK doesn’t get into Brown’s ear about Nike

2021 Recruiting • May 30, 2020 12:10 AM

KK Chandler to Sunrise. They’re going to be incredible.

Gethro and Jossell Numbers • May 29, 2020 10:10 PM

@BShark I believe we have everyone now:

  • Jossell: 4

  • Gethro: 35

  • Thompson: 24

  • Harris: 3

  • Wilson: 10

  • Braun: 2

  • Enaruna: 13

  • Ochai: 30

  • TGF: 1

  • McCormack: 33

  • Silvio: 22

  • Garrett: 0

  • Lightfoot: 44