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@BShark pretty sure Harris is a partial qualifier. In reading between the lines in Self's comments about him redshirting, “We are very excited to have Dajuan,” Self said. “He’s going to be in a limited capacity and this will give him the opportunities to focus on books, focus on getting stronger and put himself in the position to be a contributor right off the bat next year.”

As a PQ, he won't be able to practice until spring semester (hence why he wasn't at boot camp). So no dice on him having a chance to play this year.

bskeet said:

That would be a thumb to the nose at the NCAA.

All the better!

jayballer73 said:

BShark said:

rockchalkwyo said:

Riley Gates, a KSU insider, put his CB for Gethro to KU today.

Looks like KU has a great shot here.

Edit: What about Karim Mane?

Not much out there about him right now. Might be a straight to pro candidate.

Gethro at this point would be a very nice addition - - I mean right now that's probably about as good as it get's - -he a pretty decent player - -a developmental player- - 3-4 year player right? I'm sure Coach would love to have him

Here is a question - -IF - - and again I'm saying IF - - IF /Coach /Self does get suspended next year and feeling pretty sure that Coach Townsend ends up getting axed - - -then who Coach's the team next year?

Hear me out on this: Larry Brown. Tanned, rested, ready. Can obviously coach, knows the league, loves Kansas. Boom.

rockchalkwyo said:

@Crimsonorblue22 here’s a link found in a comment. How reputable is it?
https://www.oregonlive.com/business/page/the_loyalty_game.html ↗

Extremely. This is the "water" that all the institutions are swimming in. Amateurism in high dollar college sports is dead. Long live amateurism. And like the piece @jayballer73 mentioned (link: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/01/11/96-division-i-colleges-violated-major-ncaa-rules-last-decade) ↗ it's pretty clear that most, if not every single institution in the P5 is playing with fire. 56 of the 128 P5 members has had a major violation in the past decade. Like I've said, this isn't just pervasive, it's the norm. The NCAA can't keep a lid on it, even when they try. They keep punishing schools yet the schools keep doing it. Maybe the underlying model is what's broken?

Memphis is the school to watch with Gethro. In other news, UK is out for Isaiah Todd. No spots left there. I think he ends up overseas since his options here are pretty dry for what he's... ummm... looking for in a school.

For sure. Especially given we're weak at RB after this year beyond Pooka. I like Dom but he hasn't shown it quite yet. Velton Gardner is more of a gadget type guy. And I'm not sure exactly what we have in Jaylin Richardson. I do know I'd love to RS him.

Woodrow said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Zach Evans (5* RB) is likely going to UGA. I still think the main competition for Clayton is LSU, but if we can land him, that would be terrific. If we can get the DT on campus too that would be awesome. I think he ends up at TCU but visits will make a difference for sure (and if we can beat them Saturday).

If that is the case then UGA would have two 5* RB's in this class. Wouldn't make a lot of sense for Clayton to go there...

Exactly. Just take a gander at how stupid loaded they are at RB, especially sophomores and freshmen https://247sports.com/college/georgia/Season/2020-Football/ScholarshipDistribution/ ↗

@justanotherfan 100% agree. I think building overall depth will be huge. I think we have a good chance to shut WVU down if we have more bodies on defense Saturday. It was clear after 80+ plays they were gassed. I'm very excited for 2021 when most of the roster is Les Miles recruits.

Zach Evans (5* RB) is likely going to UGA. I still think the main competition for Clayton is LSU, but if we can land him, that would be terrific. If we can get the DT on campus too that would be awesome. I think he ends up at TCU but visits will make a difference for sure (and if we can beat them Saturday).

cragarhawk said:

Sources? I'm with @HighEliteMajor on this one too. It's miraculous that these "sources" are so quiet. Especially in this era where everyone wants something for nothing... Scorned girlfriend, pissed off sibling, pissed off teammate, pissed off transfer, fired coach, basically any player that washed out of pro ball and wants his 15 min of Fame. All the programs, all of them doing it... And yet so few whistle blowers. It's unfathomable. There's literally been more ppl step forward saying our president grabbed their puss 20 years after the fact than there are legitimate "sources" that everyone is doing this

Believe me or not, but I’ve had many conversations with people in this business who know how it works. It’s a matter of gaining people’s trust over time. You can ask people like Ryan Noel, Matt Scott, Andrew Slater, and on down the line about how many players get paid. Their answers will be the same: almost all of them. I can’t get into a lot of specifics on a public board for risk of burning people, but it’s not just pervasive, it’s the norm.

It’s been my position for years (backed up by many sources) that everyone is doing it. It’s the people who are just now seeing it who’ve had their heads in the sand.

cragarhawk said:

@wissox without complete and total vindication from the NCAA or the demise of the NCAA I'd find it very hard to believe he won't be gone anyway one way or another honestly

You can believe that, but Boeheim at Cuse got like half a season and last I checked, he’s still there. Will Wade, still there. DePaul coach, still there.

Everyone I’ve talked to says Self is angry at this. Mad the NCAA is scapegoating KU when he knows everyone else does the same, or worse. He’s going to coach his ass off. KU will not accept a postseason ban. Period. They’ll exhaust every remedy they have to avoid it. They will live with a minor suspension for Self (under 10 games), Townsend taking a retirement, and play with 12 scholarships for a couple years. Anything more they’ll fight tooth and nail.

wissox said:

Fire Self.

No.

HighEliteMajor said:

@Bshark Rewind to last October. Try acknowledgement, contrition, commitment to transparency. A full investigation. An in house report. All done without making admissions and noting that issues are pervasive in CBB. I just want the embarrassing statements to stop.

@cragarhawk Agreed. Burn it down. Do we have more that agree? If we’re getting targeted, then we have a DUTY to clean things up like the NCAA wants, right? The more transparent the better. We need to have the DOSSIER ready.

Bill Self, Oct 23, 2018: “As the leader of the Kansas men’s basketball program, I take pride in my role to operate with integrity and within the NCAA rules, which is a fundamental responsibility of being the head basketball coach.”

Yeah... the NCAA wouldn’t accept an in-house investigation. We’re not dook. Like you’ve said repeatedly, the NCAA can basically do what it wants. Why not take this to the court of public opinion and then the court of law if need be? There’s not an aggravating factor in the NCAA rulebook about saying mean things about them. They’re adults. We’re adults. This is the game we play.

After this is over, things will return to normal. Just look at USC football. Got busted, then things went right back to where they were re: recruiting. Cleaning up (following every rule to the letter) means we won’t be competitive. Full stop.

Self isn’t messing around. Same firm that represented Silvio. 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

The only way LOIC can stick is with the football violations. I think it gets dropped on appeal. Long is assembling a UNC type group to fight this thing, and will to the bitter end.

The best thing to do is fight it. Give in and you end up like Missouri.

The AD is loaded for bear. This won’t be quick or painless for the jagoffs in Indy.

Full scale war if needed I say.

Now we all know why recruiting has been shit though. Oddly enough I'm kind of intrigued to see Bill with a ragtag squad.

It certainly will be.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

The only way LOIC can stick is with the football violations. I think it gets dropped on appeal. Long is assembling a UNC type group to fight this thing, and will to the bitter end.

The best thing to do is fight it. Give in and you end up like Missouri.

The AD is loaded for bear. This won’t be quick or painless for the jagoffs in Indy.

The only way LOIC can stick is with the football violations. I think it gets dropped on appeal. Long is assembling a UNC type group to fight this thing, and will to the bitter end.

I do think we should self-impose penalties: vacate all wins Billy played in and a postseason ban in football this year.

jayballer73 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

He almost certainly wasn’t going there, but that 100% eliminates UNC for Todd

watch watch - -shouldn't come as a big surprise now - - Todd/Kentucky

Overseas feels like the play here, though I could be wrong.

Woodrow said:

Hopefully the staff doesn't slow play KK Robinson for Thompson. They need a PG in this class for sure.

They'd take both in a heartbeat. Thompson could easily play off the ball.

Didn’t make Andre Curbelo’s final 5. Not sure how much of a target he was.

Hearing when, not if, for Caleb Love and UNC

Crimsonorblue22 said:

@BShark ⚡️Hope doke has time to get out of the way! Looks like doke should be able to move better too.

CJ Moore's piece in The Athletic today was really good. Doke is down to 267, apparently he was almost 300 in the spring.

Welp 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

(https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-explosion-government-13d2jHlSlxklVe) ↗

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@HighEliteMajor There's multiple 30 for 30's out there that detail the downfall of programs. Three right off the top of my head are on SMU (Pony Express era), Miami (The U, 80's and 00's), and there's one on USC a d the Reggie Bush era I believe.

SI did a big story on the DC Assault AAU program years ago as well. The founder always maintained players never got paid but people in the know around Dalonte Hill and KSU at the time either had no comment or had some variation of “use your brain, dude. Mike Beasley didn’t come to Manhattan for the view.”

He almost certainly wasn’t going there, but that 100% eliminates UNC for Todd

Oh wow. That’s a stunner.

HighEliteMajor said:

I always come back to this ... where is the book, the 60 minutes or outside the lines special, etc., that details even some of the extra benefits? The coach talking in the shadows with his voice altered? The former shoeco rep? Some players' family members? Former mafia members talk more that these folks.

I think a lot of this is urban legend stuff based on assumptions.

Nah. Just nobody cares about a few hundred here, a few hundred there. It’s a well-known fact in the industry UNLV left casino chips in recruits hotel rooms. People who cover this stuff know it, like Andrew Slater (who’s now doing mostly private work for pro clubs), our old friend Matt Scott, and the like. ESPN did a whole 30 for 30 on the old Pony Express. I’d say it’s quite naive to think after SMU got caught everyone just... stopped.

rockchalkwyo said:

BShark said:

Kstate players have nice cars due to their winning smile and hard work bro.

Yes! About 10 years ago I lived in Manhattan, and worked at Kstate on their irrigation systems. One of the buildings I would check at least every other day was the Bill Snyder building. That’s where they would meet and watch film. I couldn’t help but notice 3 brand new Chevy Avalanches painted in florescent paint. A orange, blue, and purple. I acted like I was fixing a sprinkler to see if I could see who they belonged to and it turned out to be 3 receivers. Their names I now forgot but there’s no way that they could have got those on their own.

Lolz. Shocks me exactly zero.

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

drgnslayr said:

Again... none of this becomes a concern when we go for developmental players and through a developmental program.

Maybe this will be the final wake up call.

What if I told you almost every player (think top 300) gets extra benefits to go to a school? Shoot, I even know guys who played D2 football who got cash on their visits.

Kstate players have nice cars due to their winning smile and hard work bro.

I don’t remember if I’ve told this story here but back in the day, my sister was Rodney McGruder’s and Jordan Henriquez-Roberts’s neighbor in Manhattan. Rodney drive a very nice Ford pickup with custom rims. At least a $40k pickup. Always thought it was odd.

drgnslayr said:

Again... none of this becomes a concern when we go for developmental players and through a developmental program.

Maybe this will be the final wake up call.

What if I told you almost every player (think top 300) gets extra benefits to go to a school? Shoot, I even know guys who played D2 football who got cash on their visits.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

@FarmerJayhawk Peyton Bender committed 3 turnovers all of last year. Carter Stanley already has more. I've never argued that Bender was an elite QB, but he had two attributes that allowed KU to win 3 games last year. He protected the football and didn't take a lot of bad sacks. Bender was an adequate game manager that was a respected enough passer that defenses couldn't load up against the run.

Carter Stanley doesn't have either of those traits. Stanley had another bad game today that cost KU a victory they should've had. I don't see KU winning 4 games this year with Stanley at QB because he isn't good enough. He's only had two good games in his career at KU. There's a reason he could never take the starting job from Cozart or Bender.

KU maybe wins one more game at this point.

He actually committed 5. Lost 2 fumbles and threw 3 picks. Bender cost KU a possible win last year against KSU when he fumbled for like... no reason. I never said Stanley was elite. I’d give him 3 good games. WV in 16, then the last 2. And look, I get that he never took the job. But Beaty was deciding who the guy was and I’m not sure that’s the best metric re: player evaluation.

DanR said:

I hope @Texas-Hawk-10 will let me know what the rule is.

I gotchu (https://ibb.co/BKxxh7F) ↗

kjayhawks said:

@FarmerJayhawk Yep that what I predicted. Stanley has been solid, he just has to hold on the ball. 5 turnovers in the last 3 games just doesn't cut it at this level.

For sure. A couple were flukey. I think they should’ve reviewed his fumble since it looked like his arm was coming forward. I do really like that he’s tucking and running more. Stanley as a statue is a bad QB (see Coastal). But as a dual threat he makes the whole thing work a lot better.

Texas Hawk 10 said:

KU would be 4-0 with Peyton Bender at QB this year.

Or Todd Reesing. Both of whom have the same amount of eligibility. And FWIW, Stanley has a QBR of 89 and 72 the last 2 games. Bender only had one above 60 once. Stanley makes plays Bender never could, but admittedly turns it over too often.

I’m encouraged at where we’re at. This team would’ve quit under Beaty. Today they fought like hell and clawed back every time. I can’t help but think what we could’ve done on the last drive with 40 more seconds or had there been a no call on the first onside kick attempt or the 4th down PI. I think the staff is still figuring out exactly what they have and how they can use Pooka and Parchment. The OL is much worse than last year, but they were better tonight than against CC. Defense was really good for how many snaps they played.

I still think 4 wins is a reasonable goal. Any more is a big bonus.

Heard from a very solid source tonight that until the NCAA issue is resolved, expect recruiting to be “brutal.” Name if the game is develop, develop, develop. I get the feeling they’re more concerned about that than any sanctions.

chriz said:

They can’t make us take down the final four banner. (Can they?)

Not only take down the banner, but they basically wipe it from history. Can’t promote it, use it in highlights, or anything. It’s like we never beat dook (other than everyone remembers the ghost of James Naismith intervening at the end of regulation)

Posted this in another thread but bears repeating. Harris is better

Woodrow said:

@FarmerJayhawk is that due to this or something totally unrelated???

Harris is better. Now we have an open scholarship. Sup Kyree

Issac McBride leaving. 🐦 View Tweet?s=21

BShark said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

I think worst case scenario is vacating games Silvio played in and some recruiting restrictions. If the NCAA goes much more than that they’ll have to give Zona and NC St. the death penalty

Still beat Duke, I saw it.

They can never undo the liver damage caused by random strangers buying my KU group tequila shots

I think worst case scenario is vacating games Silvio played in and some recruiting restrictions. If the NCAA goes much more than that they’ll have to give Zona and NC St. the death penalty

https://t.co/tl5VqcC7q6?amp=1 ↗

Haven't heard a peep from anyone about it.

BeddieKU23 said:

FarmerJayhawk said:

Possible reclass candidate https://247sports.com/Player/Frank-Anselem-46055566/ ↗

@BeddieKU23 I think so, but it’s so early with him it’s hard to say for sure.

Thanks. Will be interesting to see if that one goes anywhere.

Anselem is a big kid that on tape looks like he's just starting to scratch the surface.

Have we visited him?

Self was in this week for him. It escapes me which day.

nuleafjhawk said:

This "Miles to Go" show - am i going to miss it completely because i don't have espn+ ?

If you get it for basketball season the series will be available on demand.

Possible reclass candidate https://247sports.com/Player/Frank-Anselem-46055566/ ↗

@BeddieKU23 I think so, but it’s so early with him it’s hard to say for sure.

jayballer73 said:

MAN , just watched Episode 17 of Plus - - Jumpin - - Gee - -Hossie - - Toads - - EVEN I want to play for Coach Miles - -you can just see the Connection he has with those kids - gets you jacked. - -OH ya, thinking I'm gonna enjoy me some Coach Miles for 5 yrs or so - -hopefuly by then when I think he hangs it up we will be on solid ground and have this turned around. -- ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY

You can just tell things are different now. The record may not show it at the end of the year, but we’ll see it’s an entirely different team and culture.

@mayjay I think your cable guy was selling you down the river. YTTV allows you to record all programs related to specific teams (e.g. KU men’s basketball). It does it automatically as those programs appear. So I can see the TCU game right now when I search and it’s set to record. I didn’t tell it what time or channel, only to look for KU football. It also is smart enough to record when the game runs past its scheduled time, so you’ll get the whole game no matter what. No, you won’t be able to access anything if your internet is down. It’s never been an issue for me honestly. My internet goes down maybe 15 minutes a month at most barring some kind of severe weather, in which case cable may go down as well depending on the delivery mechanism.

mayjay said:

Those of you streaming: can you leave for a couple weeks and still record off all of your channels, and watch in every TV in your house without changing signins?

All games are available on demand. I have YouTube TV and have a library of KU games going back months. I have it set to record all KU sports and that’s that.