One to keep an eye on. https://247sports.com/Player/Zeke-Nnaji-46041762/ â
FarmerJayhawk
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Woodrow said:
Looks like Edwards is going to end up at UGA and not Florida St.
Crazy up$set there. I think the biggest two recruits left in this class are Hurt (duh) and Doke. Maybe Grimes, though I havenât heard much about his intentions.
BeddieKU23 said:
Well, at least we are still in it with this guy. I don't think the door is closed on him ending up in 19 just yet either. Seems a lot of 20 kids are at least considering the move. Might open another 4-5 prospects KU might have a chance with in the spring.
We wonât get him if itâs in 19 unless Grimes leaves. But I would love to get him and move Grimes to the 3 so he doesnât have to defend guys that are quite as quick.
Mutual parting of ways. Wasnât working out for anyone so Vick is gone for good.
Made RJ Hamptonâs final 5: KU, Duke, Kentucky, TCU, Memphis. I think KU, Duke, and Memphis lead.
I'll also say I don't anticipate most of this class to contribute right away. I think we'll try to RS as many as possible, especially the guys that haven't played much and/or are switching positions. Need to start building long-term ASAP. The JuCo guys and Parker will play right away, but RS'ing almost everyone else is possible.
Giving this class a 9/10 on paper. I was a tad underwhelmed by the early period guys, but Les and co. killed it and then some today. I'm not sure yet how they added this many guys (i.e. pulling counters from 2020) but all the guys are quality players. Love the focus on big, physical guys with tools. Les and his staff can develop talent, and we got as many talented guys as possible today. APH and Kenny Logan are prime examples. Flipping Potter was huge. Kid has a nonstop motor and fills a need on defense. Also love pulling all the DL. Les got more HS DL to sign today than Beaty did in 3 years. Going to move to OL in 2020. Bottom line, we needed an injection of talent at QB, WR, DL, LB, and DB and filled every single need with quality players.
I'm going to take this opportunity to say a. Parker is a massive get and will do wonders for us moving forward and b. screw Beaty and his clown car for screwing us over this year. We have way more kids ready to pull the trigger for Les and KU than we have IC's for, all thanks to Beaty. And we won't start adding numbers on net until 2021, and even then BARELY since Beaty and co's recruiting was so terrible that Les had to plug holes with JuCo kids in this class (see WR, DL). Les and his staff are doing an admirable job but good gravy. What a cluster.
A word to the wise, donât read the NY Post.
KUSTEVE said:
@FarmerJayhawk Baloney. We'll agree to disagree. If the NCAA had tried to claim that a felon ( the Adidas rep ) was not actually working on behalf of Adidas but was a "booster" for KU, they would've been laughed off the national stage. Furthermore, the NCAA had all the salient facts for almost a year, yet they didn't decide anything at all until after we had declared Silvio "ineligible". If they had all this ammo that your ego is telling you they had, why did they wait until after that? The reason is simple...according to the FBI investigation, we were the victims of a fraud...which is why the only way we could be penalized is if we both declared Silvio ineligible, and that the Adidas rep was not actually a rep, but actually a booster. Now, the NCAA could nail us to the wall, which they did. I don't want to keep going back and forth with you, since you aren't even considering what I'm saying. Like I said...we'll agree to disagree.
You're right. I'm not considering it because it's not accurate. The NCAA has a definition of a booster (https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Booster%20Guidelines%20with%20definitions.pdf â if you're interested) and they could determine with or without KU's cooperation (see Self's texts to Gassnola) that Gassnola was a. known to KU and b. influenced and/or facilitated Silvio coming to KU. In which case KU's cooperation is completely irrelevant. KU had to declare Silvio ineligible in order for him to play this year. Full stop.
An enforcement investigation is a different matter from the NCAA's point of view than an eligibility investigation. Hence Silvio was free and clear last year, not this year, and KU is probably ok since they explicitly did NOT admit Gassnola was a booster for the purposes of an enforcement matter, just the eligibility review, which are conducted by totally different people. If you're saying KU should've just cut Silvio loose when they found out something could possibly be amiss that's one thing.
KU also was not aware of the shady stuff with Silvio's guardian when he was cleared last year. Otherwise the NCAA would've never cleared him. I for one want an AD that goes to bat for its student-athletes, especially when the NCAA is obviously so far from reality. If they want to vacate half our last season for playing a player the NCAA and we determined was eligible, fine. They'd better be prepared to vacate half of teams seasons going back to John MF'ing Wooden.
New target. HS teammate of Precious. https://247sports.com/Player/Harlond-Beverly-46040841/ â
KUSTEVE said:
Anyone notice that ESPN announcers basically agreed with the decision? Fran saying that "most coaches agreed" is pure crap, imo. Both Frannie and Dickie V only complained about the length of time to reach a decision, and never actually voiced any dissent about the harshest decision I can ever remember. Sounds like they were given scripts what to say. That's why I keep saying that ESPN is not our friend.
I noticed Bilas and most of the studio guys thought it was insane.
KUSTEVE said:
@FarmerJayhawk Hyperbole. Knee jerk reaction. Emotional outburst. Over the top. i grant you most of that. However, the dumbest idea of 2019, imo, was to declare a guy under federal indictment a "booster', and declaring a player who wasn't playing "ineligible", so it would give the NCAA grounds to vacate half our season. When the penalties start flying, I think my point will come into focus a bit more.
Good. Because KU canât fire Long because of this. Itâs literally in his contract. So have fun coming up with the millions heâs owed. The NCAA didnât need us to admit it to find that on their own. If they determine he meets the definition they can do whatever they want no matter what KU says.
Iâll give it to you guys. Firing Long is the dumbest idea Iâve heard in 2019. Well done! You set a high bar.
KUSTEVE said:
If our conference title, wins and Final Four get set aside, I think Jeff Long should be shown the door.
Dude calm down. Long isnât going anywhere and he shouldnât. The NCAA doesnât need KU to admit Gassnola was a booster to come down on the school. They have plenty of evidence to make that conclusion on their own, regardless of KUâs actions through Silvioâs reinstatement process.
Hawk8086 said:
@FarmerJayhawk I know that is a good sign...but are those guys usually accurate?
Bossi and Corey Evans over there are really, really good
All 3 of the Rivals guys said Kansas leads and predicted theyâll get him.
And another precedent. Darnell Jackson got 9 games for taking twice the amount of money. Silvio: 70ish games for 2500. DJax: 9 for 5000. This is a kangaroo court.
DanR said:
@mayjay Any precedents for a two-year suspension in this situation?
The exact opposite. Austin Wiley got exactly 1 season for getting almost FIVE FUCKING TIMES the amount of money. The NCAA doesnât have rules, only whims.
FWIW (not much at this point) I've heard a ruling will come before tip tomorrow. Which almost certainly means we won't have a ruling before tip tomorrow.
Swoooooooosh
Dedric is leaving, and it wouldn't surprise me to see KJ leave too as a grad transfer. Dedric isn't going to improve his draft position much. Even if he gets significantly better next season, the 2020 draft is MUCH stronger than the 2019 draft, which is about as good as the year Anthony Bennett went #1. I don't really think Dedric is a NBA level player but he is the kind of guy that can make millions overseas. Silvio will be back if he's cleared this year. The $60k payment was never made and the NCAA and KU have agreed that it's not relevant to his case.
Doke is the hardest one to read. He was great when healthy, but hasn't stayed as such. His injuries have been kind of flukey and he's really young (doesn't turn 20 until September). As of today I think he leaves but if KU doesn't land anyone significant in the spring I can see Doke and the staff making arrangements for him to come back for another season.
1JayhawkLifer said:
Seth Davis seems to be retracting his earlier stance on believing Silvio will be playing soon.
Just seems like the NCAA is prolonging this BS for no other reason than a power play. Give the kid an answer already!
I didnât read it as retracting. Thereâs always a chance the NCAA declares him ineligible or suspends him the rest of the year. Langford should be back in the next few weeks.
jayballer73 said:
also read where possibly Isaiah Todd could possibly be re-classifying , and there is a chance that he will be at Kentucky for the KU-Kentucky game this weekend 5 Star recruit that KU is in on the # 13 recruit right now - -and Kentucky hadn't offered yet but they going to - -at Present according to 247 UNC is leading then KU - -so and were off - -the recruiting heatin up is of and running.- -Man if he re-classified we sure could use him ourself. - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
KU is going to run the race with Todd but I think the chances of getting him are slim. Plan A is to get at least 2/5 of Dedric/Doke/Silvio/Hurt/Precious.
FWIW, KU feels better about its chances with Precious than most realize.
MacVittie has been clocked in the 4.5 range. At this point I'd consider him a better runner than passer. So at least there's that. A great friend of mine was in the AD at UAB when Koennig was there. He loves him. So we'll see! Tough to get a quality candidate now when most candidates looking to move already have new jobs and nobody can bring along any assistants.
@Woodrow yes. Of course Iâm assuming the NCAA follows its own rules so maybe I shouldnât be.
Back off the ledge. Self hasnât lost this team. This team is flawed, but is likely getting an elite player back and itâs not likely we donât make a 3 and turn it over 13 times in a half. Weâre not great right now but weâre a really good defensive team and that keeps you in every game. Even after that abortion of a game KenPom has us almost in the top 10. Donât be that guy.
Fact is nobody knows jack. I asked around today and KU likes their case and feels like the process has been relatively cordial between them and the NCAA (mostly agreeing to the facts of the case) but nobody knows what the NCAA will do. For all anyone knows they could ask for more information after reviewing the case and make KU start from square two. Once the case goes to the NCAA thereâs no timetable on them ruling. They actually donât have to rule at all. My stance since the trial has been Silvio plays but may not be for awhile. I think itâll be before February but donât feel great about anything earlier.
Woodrow said:
@FarmerJayhawk woah! Was that in his article?
He tweeted it in response to a question if memory serves.
FWIW, Seth Davis thinks Silvio plays Saturday. Would be a terrific development.
I donât see us going any worse than 13-5. I donât think Tech is good enough to go 14-4. They just donât score enough (similar to KU). And we have Allen. The Old Barn is good for 3-4 wins by itself.
kjayhawks said:
I've been saying it for years, the conference is done when this deal runs out. Best hope for us is that we don't get banned and/or a ton of infractions from the NCAA for basketball. Then have Les make the football team respectable again and head to the Big 10.
Weâre not getting a postseason ban or major infractions for $2500. Thatâs insane.
jayballer73 said:
Has anybody seen any thing - - anything at all about the possibility of Pooka transferring back to Louisiana? - - ROCK CHALK ALL DAY LONG BABY
Pooka will be at Kansas as long as he's not booted for this and Tony Hull sticks around.
Chip to Troy is done. Paging Fedora and Applewhite.
Texas Hawk 10 said:
Play Garrett at point, get Dotson off the ball. Dotson is KU's best shooter, but he can't get his own shot yet on the perimeter. Dotson and Vick on the perimeter without the ball will force defenses to respect their shooting because they're the only two who can consistently make an outside shot. Garrett is a good enough passer and protects the ball well enough that him running the show could actually open some stuff up inside for Dedric and for Grimes to drive which it seems like the light has come on for him finally.
I actually really like this idea. Iâve been pretty impressed with Garrett as a lead guard.
Really need the NCAA to get off its lazy ass and clear Silvio. Silvio-Lawson is still a top 5 front court in the country. And I believe Doke just got Brandon Rushâd.
BShark said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
BShark said:
The offense being stale is Self's fault. He recruited players that can't shoot and players to force the two big system again, when none of the bigs can shoot. It's a losing effort in modern basketball.
Weâre undefeated starting two bigs.
Sure but the team still hasn't played well in those games. Doke is very good when he is able to play.
I think going undefeated against the toughest schedule in America is playing pretty well, but to each their own.
BShark said:
The offense being stale is Self's fault. He recruited players that can't shoot and players to force the two big system again, when none of the bigs can shoot. It's a losing effort in modern basketball.
Weâre undefeated starting two bigs.
Cross another name off the list. Kofi Cockburn is going to Illinois. Rumor is Khalil Whitney to come later...
Texas Hawk 10 said:
FarmerJayhawk said:
DoubleDD said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@dylans The B12 is at it's best when Texas is good. It's not a coincidence that the B12's on field decline coincided with Texas struggling, by Texas standards, for most of the past decade. Texas being good is good for the B12 because it's easier to recruit in Texas when UT is good. The SEC has dominated Texas recruiting for awhile now because of UT's struggles.
The B12 needs UT to reclaim the DFW area in recruiting from the SEC and at least be 50/50 in Houston with the SEC.
Even though UH isn't getting a B12 invote anytime soon since they're showing everyone how not to attract a P5 invite, I've always believed adding them would be big for the B12 for recruiting purposes because Houston is an SEC city and the SEC schools (mostly A&M and LSU) have dominated Houston recruiting for the better part of a decade. UH doesn't change it overnight, but it gives other B12 schools a strong foothold in the city to build relationships with area coaches.
Do you think the Big 12 would add schools? I'm just not seeing it. To be honest I think the Big 12 conference's days are numbered. Could be wrong though.
Not unless the PAC-12 becomes open for business and the Arizonaâs, CU, and/or Utah want a new home. Theyâre in much worse financial shape than the Big 12.
The P12 isn't going to be the conference that disappears in the near future. It's going to be the B12 because ESPN and Fox want to get down to 4 major conferences, which let's them expand the playoffs to 8 with ease, which let's them screw over the Group of 5 conferences.
What's going to end up happening is the B12 is going to get carved up with most teams going to B10, P12, and ACC. The goal for the networks is to have each conference have at least 16 teams because that sets up the conference title games as quarterfinal games. We'll probably even see the SEC raid the ACC to get to 16.
Fox already has the B10 and P12 title games while ESPN has the SEC and ACC which makes the TV side easy to set up as well. Fox would keep the B10 and P12 title games along with one of the semifinal games and ESPN would keep the SEC and ACC title games along with a semifinal game and they would alternate the national title game.
Don't be surprised to see something like this happen in the next 10-15 years as the B12's TV deal expires in a few years and the CFP's deal expires shortly after that. The B10 is already trying to expand to 8 teams and if that happens, one of the major conferences will disappear and it will the one based in flyover country, not the west coast.
Right, I didn't say they would disappear. I can see them contracting if the Big 12 gets a new TV deal, which is certainly possible. Cord cutting has opened up the market to new players. Disney, FOX, and CBS aren't the only networks that are going to be interested in college football when the Big 12 GoR comes up in 2025 or whenever it is (pretty sure it's close to then). Amazon and Twitter have already bought some NFL games to test the market, and they won't be the last ones to make the leap. Google/YouTube are looking to add more original content, and what's better than college sports? Would it surprise anyone if Google wanted a piece of the Big 12? The Big 12 footprint is very valuable, and it wouldn't surprised me at all to see the conference end up dumping LHN and moving to a streaming service. 8 million households canceled cable in 2018, and it's not likely they return. In sum, this isn't 2010 anymore. The economics of TV and college football are much different than they were, and trends won't change by 2025.
In short, one conference doesn't have to go away to get down to 4 power conferences. Could just as easily happen that the Big 12 or PAC-12 get demoted to G5 status, and the TV market is going to get increasingly fragmented as more actors enter the market for original content.
DoubleDD said:
Texas Hawk 10 said:
@dylans The B12 is at it's best when Texas is good. It's not a coincidence that the B12's on field decline coincided with Texas struggling, by Texas standards, for most of the past decade. Texas being good is good for the B12 because it's easier to recruit in Texas when UT is good. The SEC has dominated Texas recruiting for awhile now because of UT's struggles.
The B12 needs UT to reclaim the DFW area in recruiting from the SEC and at least be 50/50 in Houston with the SEC.
Even though UH isn't getting a B12 invote anytime soon since they're showing everyone how not to attract a P5 invite, I've always believed adding them would be big for the B12 for recruiting purposes because Houston is an SEC city and the SEC schools (mostly A&M and LSU) have dominated Houston recruiting for the better part of a decade. UH doesn't change it overnight, but it gives other B12 schools a strong foothold in the city to build relationships with area coaches.
Do you think the Big 12 would add schools? I'm just not seeing it. To be honest I think the Big 12 conference's days are numbered. Could be wrong though.
Not unless the PAC-12 becomes open for business and the Arizonaâs, CU, and/or Utah want a new home. Theyâre in much worse financial shape than the Big 12.
Coaching is incredibly underrated in football. Especially relative to basketball. We should see immediate improvement in all 3 phases
BeddieKU23 said:
Wow that's crazy. Two significant injuries at key positions and he loses his job. Tough
And generally not being very good 5/6 years.
KU made the top 5 for Anthony Edwards, along with FSU (his very likely destination), UNC, UGA, and UK.
Also Tyler Herro has an extremely punchable face.
KUSTEVE said:
@FarmerJayhawk UNC's interior defense is dog meat. They're soft as a baby's butt inside.
Tonight they certainly have been. That and iffy guard play has been a bad combo. Also lol at Raftery always calling Reid Travis, Travis Reid.
KUSTEVE said:
Tucky vs. the Tarholes. Tucky is beating them so far by the quickness of their guards. White of UNC is very quick too, but the rest of the 'Holes are slowwww. Luke Maye will probably end up in the same rec league as Charlie Moore. Luke is definitely a Roy's system made man.
Maye has definitely regressed this year. Not sure whether defenses are really keying on him or last year was just a mirage. UNC just looks disinterested tonight.
@JayHawkFanToo Willis played pretty well for Va Tech this year and Cozart was a good second/situational option for a really good Boise team last year. Not to totally derail, but coaching is so underrated in football.