Also, the Cavaliers coach is having a hard time adapting to the NBA; the teams is constantly telling the press that his job is not in jeopardy; however, when you have to deny rumors so often, usually there is a problem...where there is smoke, there is fire...makes you appreciate more the job Spoelstra did at Miami with all the superstars.
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I watched the game and neither team impressed; ISU was lucky to win that game.
Dang, he is even skinnier than his dad was...and this is saying a lot. I was always afraid that Manute's bones would snap when he played in the NBA, but he was surprisingly durable.
He should be joining the varsity any time now, and I will try to catch a game or two. My daughter graduated from Miege and my grandson is also considering it since he starts HS in August.
Nice summary and pretty much the way I see it too.
Interesting statistic: Wiggins is only the third teenager to have 6 straight games with 20 or more point in the NBA. Care to guess who the others are? Carmelo and LeBron...elite company.
The "Ton and Thon" show...I like it!
I think you are right; he will play enough to get his feet wet and likely less than 10 minutes.
Great game for Tarik that hopefully it will earn him a permanent roster spot. Xavier did the same thing last season, had a few good games and got a contract; let's hope Tarik has a longer stay.
The Knicks are pretty banged up and Aldrich now starts and has been playing well.; he likely willl not be a starter once the team get healthy, but he can have a long career as a serviceable backup. Arthur also started last night and had a decent outing.
Wiggins is doing great and had his 6th game in a row with 20 or more points, unfortunately the Wolves continue to lose. The team has several starters out and once it is back to full force, it will get considerably better and Wiggins will benefit greatly of Rubio's passes. He is in the lead for Rookie of the Year.
@wrwlumpy
Unless I missed something big, the line opened (that is the very first line announced) at 17 points and currently sits at 15-1/2 consensus (average of all the lines). I doubt it will change more than 1 point between now and game time; there is no way it goes down to 10,
So...it is better dead than read...Oh I miss Nebraska once in a while, 2 guaranteed wins in BBall every year.
I think the current colors are perfect, easy to read, particularly for some of us older posters, and not distracting. I would say keep it as it is...if it ain't broke, don't fix it...
Of course we win...we are KU!!!
It is a KU tradition, we always allow a player from the other team to have a career day...:(
I guess we disagree on this one too. This is a common misconception that over the years has been cited as fact. Doherty did well with the team he inherited from Guthridge and went 26-7 on his first year. The next two years he went 8-20 and 19-16 and he missed the NCAA and the next/last year UNC only made it to the NIT. It took an additional year of Williams recruits and more importantly, coaching, before UNC won the Championship. Sorry but once again we agree to disagree.
Having said that, I firmly believe that Doherty was undermined by Dean Smith in order to bring Roy Williams home; Dean Smith screwed over not only Doherty but his Alma Mater KU as well and to me, this is a huge blemish on his otherwise outstanding record, and one that many KU fans will never forgive or forget...on the other hand we got Bill Self so we came out ahead anyway. :)
Of course, Smurf-on-Steroids Part Deux, AKA Phil Forte, will probably go off for 30+ points...
In business we always say that having more work than you can handle is good problem to have...considering the alternative. The metaphor can be extended to basketball and you could say that having more players than available playing time is a much better problem to have than the alternative of having lots of available playing time and not enough quality players.
I posted the same observation before. At one point it was Isaiah Austin directing the team...and he is only a student-assistant!!!
Here are the records of the coaches before and after including their NCCA showings past the Sweet 16. I used Kentucky since it is the best showing for Tubby, none of his other coaching jobs is even close to his record at Kentucky. His other HC jobs were: Tulsa - .649. Georgia - .704, Minnesota - .605, Texas Tech .522
These are the conference finishes for Rick Pitino: 4, 1, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2 - 2 Elite 8, 1 Final 4, 1 Runner Up, 1 Championship. 219-50 (.814)
These are the conference finishes for Tubby Smith: 1, 3, T1, T1, T2, 1, 2, 1, 6, 4 - 3 Elite 8, 1 Championship. 263–83 (.760)
These are the conference finishes for John Calipari: 1, 2, 1, T2, T2 - 1 Elite 8, 1 Final 4, 1 Runner Up, 1 Championship. 155-37 (.807)
Tubby inherited a top program from Pitino and won the Championship with Pitino's players. I did not list Gillispie since he was there only 2 years and inherited a mess from Tubby; Calipari inherited an even bigger mess from Gillispie.
With UK resources, it is hard not to have a very successful program; Tubby is/was not at the level of Pitino or Calipari.
IMHO, Tubby is at best an average coach. On this issue I guess we will have to respectfully agree to disagree.
There are a bunch of super interesting anecdotes...some are waaaaaaaaay off the wall :)
Records go back only to 1946 so, short of finding and archived newspaper from that time, it would be difficult. I believe the original reference comes from the Crimson and Blue handbook that you can still get from Amazon.
Here are a couple of links to get you started...
I know. I use Firefox for KUBUCKETS, because for some reason I have problems with IE 11, and I have it heavily protected since I also use it anytime I need to go to a web site I am not sure is 100% safe.
Ah...blacked out game, that would explain it.
Poythress was not a starter last year and would not be one this year either. He came highly ranked out of high school, like Perry, but also like Perry, he is the stereotype tweener and not in the NBA radar and so he is a junior at OAD UK.
Because of visiting family around the Holidays I did not come here much, but I am not sure I went two days without my KUBUCKETS fix...:)
I found this quite by accident and it is something I had not been aware of...or maybe I knew but did not pay much attention and it clicked because of a thread we had on Naismith and Chamberlain and 12 foot baskets...
Here is a link ↗ to the book. Scroll up and down, lots of really cool trivia. BTW, in that game Ray Ebling became the first Jayhawk to hit a 3-pointer!!!
If I remember right, the refs did no even call a foul. I always wondered how much off-the-record communication exists between ADs/Coaches and conference officials in reference to refereeing. I know all games are reviewed by conferences refereeing supervisors, and other than a handful of public reprimands, refs seem to get away with calling games any way they see fit. I understand that by and large refs do a great job and seem to get most calls correctly...but sometimes I really, really, really wonder...
Against Louisville they basically played 7 players with Johnson and Lee playing 10 minutes a piece. Just sayin'
The platoon is going away at UK as the games get tougher. 8 players used up 224 out 225 minutes of the Ole Miss OT game. I wonder how the players that are suddenly not playing feel about it; I bet there is a lot of unhappy big egos. With lack of playing time and no exposure combined with the new recruits, I see several transfers in the off-season, which might be the beginning of the end of the UK experiment. As usual. the squid will stay one step ahead of the law and bolt for the NBA.
Did I miss the Crimson skin or is Firefox not displaying it?
Welcome to KUBUCKETS! Things get heated here occasionally but posters are a lot more respectful and the basketball knowldege is head and shouldesr above the other site. Enjoy it and post away :)
He needs to do what Adrian Dantley, one of the better scores ever in the NBA, did. He would allow the defender to block his first shot and from there one he would use the head fake to score at will. Worked really well for him.
I believe Tubby Smith is highly overrated. Yes he won the NCAA in his first year at UK and advanced to the Elite 8the next season...but that was done with the team that Rick Pitino assembled, much like Weber did with Self's team at Illinois. In the next 8 years he had only 2 Elite 8 appearances and the last 2 years they were eliminated in the second round. Considering the players he had at UK he grossly underachieved and he was let go/resigned, depending on how you spin it.
At Minnesota, a program with good potential, he did not do much and was fires after 6 lackluster years and did not have a single year with a conference winning record. I don't expect really expect him to do much at Texas Tech either anymore than I expect Weber to do much at KSU with his own players.
The NBA draft based on potential and Oubre has that in spades...and a lot of that potential is already showing.
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Having super athletic 6'-7" Oubre with a huge wingspan guard 5'-11" Chery was a masterful call and it indeed resulted in a turnover for Baylor.
Greene has the best shooting form of any player at KU or anywhere that I can think of. Remember that he was one of 8 players selected for the 2013 3-point contest that Frankamp won? Frankamp is the more methodical/mechanical player but Greene has the better form and thus the more upside...plus, he is 8" taller. I would love to see a 3-point contest between these two players now.
Baylor had a bunch of offensive rebounds but not many points to show for them; Rico Suave's huge body inside definitely had an effect. In one possession they had 3 or4 offensive rebounds and failed to get a single point, a credit to the KU defense that played them tough and did not give them good looks.
I sincerely hope you are right. KU had some really good days as recently as 2008 when it went to the Orange Bowl and finished 7th in the final poll. Todd and Kerry were an awesome combination and the defense was awesome as well.
Beaty is supposed to be a super recruiter and good recruits can turn a program around in a hurry.
That makes it alright!!!
I agree. Ever since he left his day time job and went on his own, he seems to be all about making money. That is not to say that his numbers are bad, you simply have to be careful how you look at and interpret them. Caveat Emptor!
I get in enough trouble all by myself...
kill me now!!!! My sister and husband left for Hawaii this am!!
That sounds so wrong on so many levels...:)
p.s. Sorry, I could not resist...
Home brewed?
Amen Brother. I am surprised he did not penalized KU for a close win and rewarded Baylor for a close loss..:)
In business we say:
Project managers push employees to complete the work, leaders motivate employees to complete the work..
You can extend the concept to coaching and say that the average coach pushes players to improve but the better ones motivate players to become better. I believe Coach Self has now gotten his players to want to play better and we have seen a much better effort lately.
Wow, that is pretty radical...are you getting a break on your rate?
I am not sure what is on ABC anymore, most of the programs I watch are on CBS and other non-network channels...and of course sports channels.
Oubre has a freakish wingspan that helps with steals.
I do not have the full court package, simply a package that adds several different sports channels but not the ESPN Full court with games from most obscure conferences that I have zero interest anyway.
We already have a ShoeCo war...do we really need to start a Pepsi vs Coke war? :) :) :)
For the record I am more of Ice Tea drinker so no big deal to me.
Is it just me or does that stadium resembles Memorial Stadium? I think I even see track (or what is left of one) around the field.
Did you notice that toward the end of the game Isaiah Austin was vigorously giving the team instructions in the huddle instead of Drew?...and he is not even an assistant coach, only a student assistant. Can you imaging a student assistant ever giving instruction in the huddle at KU while Coach Self watches? I can't.
I agree Baylor has done well. Next to KU, Baylor probably has had the most talent in the League in the last 5-1o years, no question a result of Drew's recruiting; however, all it has to show is one tie for 2nd place in the conference in all this time...kind of makes you go hmmm...doesn't it?
I KNOW some posters will not agree with me but KU's front line (including Ellis) played good defense, and if not for Chery, this could have been quite a different game.
Baylor starting bigs:
- O'Neale 1-7, 27 minutes , 3 points (Season Avg. 29.0, 9.8 )
- Gathers 3-10, 29 minutes, 9 points (Season Avg. .27.6, 9.6)
- Motley 1-5, 31 minutes, 2 points (Season Avg. 23.9, 10.2)
- Total minutes: 87 (44%) (Season Avg. 81.4, 41% )
- Total points: 14 (25%) (Season Avg. 29.6)
Ellis had 3 blocks and helped keep Baylor bigs well below their averages; they played more minutes than their season average and scored less than half of their season average. Not bad.