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It is difficult if not impossible to assemble an all-time team because it is difficult to say how the various players that dominated at some time would have done in a different era. For example, how well players like Clyde Lovellete, Bud Stallworth, Bill Bridges, Dave Robisch and even Jo Jo White would have done against more recent and more athletic players? I know a Wilt would probably still dominate but he was a once in a generation type of player and athlete.

Perhaps if you restrict to maybe players of the last 20 or 30 years that most of us have actually seen play and area lot more familiar it might be a better discussion.

ASU is a very good team with a very short bench.

Difficult to say why he made that comment; moat logical explanation is that he was just complimenting the local crowd in Indiana which had become very active in basketball.

Another hypothesis with no proof whatsoever. When Phog Allen told Naismith he was leaving to coach basketball at Baker University Naismith told him: "You can't coach basketball; you just play it." Of course Allen went on to become a great coach and is considered the Father of Basketball Coaching. Naismith stopped coaching in 1907 and afterwards he was more involved in academics than sports and he long regarded basketball as a curiosity and preferred gymnastics and wrestling as better forms of physical activity. Looks like there might have been a philosophical difference between them on the approach to the game.

At the time of the alleged quote, 1936, Allen had been not only coaching at KU since 1919 but was also the Athletic Director until 1937 but continued coaching until 1956. Allen went on to become the best know coach of his time and was key in the formation of the National Association of Basketball Coaches which went on to create the NCAA tournament while Naismith played a role in the formation of the less prestigious National Association of Intercollegiate Basketball, which later became the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA).

Again, no proof, but it could have been a veiled stab at Allen which was at the time head of the basketball program at Kansas and ground zero for college basketball.

@REHawk

I believe that article was more of a tongue in cheek, wishful thinking type of story and likely not even close to reality. The team is based in Prienai, a town of under 10,000 people or a tenth the size of Lawrence and it plays in a gym with a capacity of 1,500 but typically has 100 fans for games but I expect the Ball freak show will draw bigger crowds until the novelty wears out.

The team is said to be in financial trouble and I imagine they are not paying them very much at all; they get free publicity and Lavar gets to say he got the kids a pro contract. I give the experiment a couple of months at the most. Here is a story ↗ that gives a better idea of the condition they will be in.

@HighEliteMajor

As you know, players can be foolish and indicate they are fine so as not to lose playing time. If KU has 2 or 3 other players available he probably does not play but this is iron man basketball.

Looking at the scoreboard I see very few fouls called. Was the game that clean or did the refs swalled their whistles and just let them play?

@HighEliteMajor

I will give Newman a pass because he is likely still affected by the concussion but...ugh is right.

While Cunliffe was the 5th starter, there were 5 players that averaged more minutes than he did and they have talented freshmen now. Like I said, he might have been a starter in name last season but would be the 8th player this year. Don’t believe me, just look at the numbers.

Jamari started 18 games as a junior and only 8 as a senior, mostly at the beginning of the season, if I remember correctly. Not that unusual when talented players join a team.

@BeddieKU23

You beat me to it. Barring a total collapse, ASU will be in the Tournament with a high seed and probably battle Arizona for the PAC 12 title.

@kjayhawks

I respectfully disagree. Based on what I have seen of Cunliffe and ASU, he would be the 8th man in that rotation or about the same as he is now at KU.

@kjayhawks

Last year’s and this year’s ASU teams are worlds apart; Cunliffe would not be getting much time this year at ASU either.

@jayballer54

I am not sure Cunliffe can play guard, more of a wing/SF, maybe PF but not guard.

I seem to recall that Micah’s father wanted him to stay at KU and was upset when he chose to leave because of the girlfriend; I would nominate the girlfriend rather than the father but if we are talking about fathers, Carl Henry is a shoo in.

The Big 12 is L-O-A-D-E-D.

KU or who?

@BeddieKU23

I am hoping the kids are eager to atone and put the hurt on the Huskers.

@Bwag

Until recently the schedule at tar KU Athletic website listed it as 1:00 pm...

@Ralster

It will not work if you use the “Post quick reply” option, you need to use the “Reply” button further down if you want to include links or insert pictures.

@Ralster

Agreed on both. I have been high on Lightfoot since the beginning but now he is playing a position he is not suited or has the build for. I have said before that Garret might end up being the steal of the class; obviously very high on him.

@Ralster

Wow. It’s been a while; your inside knowledge has been missed. Glad to see you posting again.

FWIW, here is some news ↗. Sounds legit but who knows.

@nuleafjhawk

Since I cut the cable I don't have all the sports channels I used to have.With Sling orange I get the ESPNs but not Fox Sports. I will switch to YouTube TV once they make it available using the Roku stick and and I will have all of them' I don't care for Chrome cast and having to use my phone, iPad or computer to control it.

@nuleafjhawk

I know I saw on the Schedule at one time tip off being at 1:00 pm but now it shows 7:00 pm on Fox Sports.

@wissox

I agree. I have said for a long time that the NCAA Tournament is now the equivalent of the participation trophy where a poor team from bottom conference can get hot for 3 games in their tournament and gets an automatic bid. The NCAA Tournament does not get the top68 teams, maybe 50% to 60% are legit but the rest are teams that have no business being there.

If you look at the average attendance by conference, once you get past the top 10 the attendance drops quite a bit. I would be in favor of making the top 10 conferences be Division I and the rest a lower division with their own tournament.

I also think that 68 teams is way too many when we know a team in the bottom half has for all practical purposes zero chance of wining. I would be in favor of a 32 team tournament with double elimination or 2 of 3 to advance. Under this scenario, KU probably does not win in '88 but has at least 2 or 3 more titles in the years where it had great teams that had one bad game when it counted. There is no way KU does not get past Buckner, Bradley, NIU, VCU and others under a 2 of 3 format.

@Kcmatt7

Which station would that be?

@nuleafjhawk

Interesting. When the football team was 1-7 none and ranked 13th from the bottom, none of us seemed that upset. :smile:

@kjayhawks

As a fan, the Sprint Center experience with great seats along with the Power and Light District is really nice. As a player, an arena that looks so different that AFH can be a negative and I read the players do not like playing there. The advantage of playing at AFH becomes a disadvantage when playing in the newer, larger arenas.

@jayballer54

This really should not be a big surprise. DeSouza was not expected to enroll until the summer or fall of 2018 so he probably thought he had plenty of time available. Since it became feasible that he could enroll early, they are now trying to speed up the process, something that is not easy when dealing with countries where this type of paperwork moves very slowly.

@dylans

...and a Jayhawk shall lead them...

Chamberlain got the Sixers their first Championship and Embiid will get them another.

@dylans @HighEliteMajor

I posted before that as part of the contract to play at the Sprint Center, KU should be given at least 3 days of practice there the week before. Logistically it would be very difficult since even if the place is available the floor would have to be installed every time in between other events such as concerts that require extensive and time consuming staging where the court is.

No question that AFH is different than other arenas. The seats are close the court and the bench tiers, where fans seat very tight, go up quickly and are almost on top of each other where the newer arenas have the seats more spread out, both horizontally and vertically. I imagine that from a shooter's perspective there is a marked difference in shooting perspective at AFH versus modern arenas. What is an advantage at AFH becomes a disadvantage at the bigger venues.

@dylans

The Sixers are slowly building a very good team. Embiid juts got a $140M+ contract so he will be in Philly for the next 5 years, barring trade, and by then LeBron will probably be retired.

Last night Wizards-Grizzlies games had Chalmers and McLemore (Selden was not active) against Markieff and Oubre , although Markieff was injured and did not play. When is the last time we saw 5 Jayhawks dressed up for the same NBA game?

Here is a link ↗ to a Q&A with JesseNewell that touches on several items.

@chriz

A lot of KU haters call it the Manning-Chalmers rule. :smile:

@bmensch1

Coach Self has indicated several times that KU derives well over $500K from games at AFH and just over $100K from games at Sprint Center. You can see that financially it is advantageous to play at AFH. Also, tickets at AFH are difficult to get as it is pretty much sold out for the season while tickets at Sprint are much easier to get plus you can party before and after at the Power and Light District.

@jaybate-1.0

SMH.

@chriz

Director of Basketball Operation is not a coaching position.

@drgnslayr

I thought the 3 was his strong point since he shot 40% at ASU from there; not bad although a small sample of 10 games.

@chriz

NCAA does not allow it anymore.

@HighEliteMajor

I believe that Newman is playing for Newman and to improve his draft status since the word from his dad from day one was that he would play one season at KU and leave.

I know it is still early but based on what I have seen, Malik will not get drafted by the NBA and the G-League or overseas appear to be the more realistic destinations. Of course he could explode and prove me wrong which would be a really nice and welcome surprise.

@Blown

I think...“Missed Devonte’ a couple times wide open in transition.”...is the kicker, selfish play.

@Gorilla72

We really don't know the severity of the concussion. If it was just a mild one it will not take that long to recover. Coach Roberts seems to be optimistic he might play against Nebraska. ↗

Here is a good site to visit if you have spare time ↗. You can click on the various headings such as scoring rebounding and so on and take a look at the various statistics. Some of the numbers will surprise you and players that we think are not playing that well have pretty decent numbers.

@justanotherfan

I would prefer Garret handling the ball. He played PG in HS and was the Texas Gatorade POY playing that position.

@KUSTEVE

Maybe KU should have paid Billy's mom the cost of a new car...he would be playing by now. Just kidding...

Crimsonorblue22 said:

Pretty sure all athletes have to attend a class or lecture on this kind of thing. Requirement!

Spot on. I know several kids that play football and basketball at Olathe South and I know they are lectured on what it is required to play at the next level so they are all aware about scholastic as well as off the field rules and regulations. Parents are also sent NCAA brochures with all kinds of information and the athletic department has knowledgeable people ready to help student and parent during the process,

Inconceivable that a school like Oak Hill Academy, where top basketball prospect go to get ready to play at the next level, would not drill into them what the academic requirements are and what is and isn't allowed off the field. The reality is that some prospects just don't want to work hard, or at all, to get to the next level and do not want to wait to derive benefits which they have yet to earn.

The funny part is that every spot that he drops in the draft because he is not playing will cost him more than dozens of cars. So shortsighted.

@HawkChamp

Presumptuous of you to state you know what is the correct word I wanted to write. I wrote cockiness not confidence and it is exactly what I meant; I even posted a link to the definition to point out the meaning I wanted to convey. We both have "opinions" which are just that, "opinions" and not facts. We both stated "opinions" and while different I did not tell you yours was wrong...too much to expect you to respect mine?

KU schedules at least 1 game per season at the Sprint Center solely for the benefit of fans in the KC Metro area which holds the largest alumni base in the country. Financially, the game benefits KC MO and not Kansas at all; too bad there is not a large arena at the Legends and Wichita is out of the question.

The NCAA has limits on the trips a team can take overseas and I believe also on tournaments such as those in Hawaii. Why would KU want to play yearly in Puerto Rico escapes me.

@HighEliteMajor

That would be the logical conclusion. I posted before that if the car purchase was above board the issue would have been resolved in 15 minutes. The fact that has taken this long appears to indicate that either the Prestons are/we’re trying to come up with a plausible explanation/excuse or trying to fix the issue; neither bides well.

@jayballer54

The scores mentioned are the ones required to enroll and be eligible to play. The school can and does accep students with lower scores but NCAA and Conference rules prevent them from playing. McLemore and Traylor had to sit one season because they had academic shortcomings. If his score is not high enough, KU might let him enrol anyway but he would not be able to play.