26:16 - CB drives the lane weak AF without running any offense. Either drive it like a man or run the offense.
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Again just something I am noticing - more pressure on Harris bringing up the ball than Remy. Mintz even pressuring Harris pretty hard.
23:49 - Harris gets matched up against Brooks and we get out-athleted for a rebound. Not sure it would have mattered who was guarding him on this play. Ball bounced right to him. BUT nobody helped Jaun here in the paint. Everyone scrambled to the perimeter and so we essentially conceded 2 points.
23:10 - Remy really has to make that shot.
22:30 - Remy plays good (not bad) D. We force UK into a long two by Oscar. Who buries it... Bad luck
19:30 - This is absolutely where the game was lost. Not this play, but coming to the realization that our guys made poor decisions on ball screens. To chase our shooters, UK went over screens. But they helped off from the TOP OF THE KEY to stop us from getting downhill. I'm startin at a wide open CB again right now. That is twice, and Wilson once. Ball gets tipped out of bounds when Och gets stuck.
On the ensuing inbound play, Ochai has an open 3 in the corner but isn't looking to score. Ends the possession with us feeding Dave late in the clock who actually has a really good look if he is any other big. But he takes a full second to collect himself so it ends up missing what should have been 2 points.
So far I think I've counted at least 8 points that we probably make 95% of the time. Should probably be up by 2 at this point, but at least tied.
18:56 - Again Remy is like 2 feet inside the arc which is the worst place to be on a basketball court. This doesn't affect the play, but should be noted.
Och drives and makes a nice pass to Mitch who misses a layup. But the actual best pass was to CB who's man helped off and left him wide open at the top of the key. Still should have been a bucket though.
18:36 - Remy gets crossed and mixed up on the screen (going under this should never happen). Forced Mitch to help and Wilson just is not athletic enough to stop Ware from scoring on the roll. I'm not sure this happens with Harris in.
18:30 - Remy does a nice mini-backdoor cut. Slips the double team and Mitch makes a nice little shot. Good O.
17:45 - Och brings the ball up so Remy is in the corner. Och passes opposite so motion offense dictates he rotates to the top. But he gets too far in the lane here. The opposite side has a ball screen for CB who has the corner turned, but Wheeler is basically able to guard both Remy and CB. This is a total free lancing thing.
17:33 - Remy blows this. Switches late on Grady and gives up an easy top of the key 3 to their best shooter. Type of thing Harris doesn't do (often at least).
17:23 - This is the possession SUCKS. Remy takes a 3 he probably shouldn't. But we had two baskets we didn't take.
First Remy drives and kicks it back to Mitch. Wilson makes an AWESOME cut, but doesn't get the ball.
Then, CB is the one who sort of puts us in a bad spot with 4 guys all standing next to each other. He has the corner and is driving the lane. But instead of forcing help from the big man (scared?) and either going up strong or dishing it to Mitch for a dunk he passes it out to Remy who takes a bad shot with 14 seconds left.
16:39 - Just noting that Remy's D on this was meh. A player with better scoring acumen than Wheeler probably has a bucket here with Remy chasing under the screens.
@BeddieKU23 Wheeler helped off on this as well btw. Similar to what they did with Harris earlier.
Just a note I've seen thus far - Wheeler seemed to be pressuring Harris more than Remy. My guess is that he's scared Remy will go by him and actually try to score... But just a guess. He was harassing him some, but then Remy drew the foul. Made him back off a bit.
Five minutes and 10 seconds of game clock and Ocha has 2 shots he usually cans AND that stupid possession he should have gone in for a layup or floater or something...
10:40 - Oscar has the ball - Mitch does a great job walling up. And - importantly - Remy denies the pass OUT of the post and forces the ball out to about 26 feet. Oscar comes up on a PnR. Gets the ball on a nice bounce pass, but the pick had to be set so far out that Och can rotate over. Charge.
13:10 - Remy brings the ball up and uses a screen to move the D. Get a nice skip pass to Wilson. Ball moves to Ochai, Mitch comes up to set a screen and for God knows what reason Ochai has the opportunity to take the ball to the hoop but stops his dribble and almost turns it over. Ball ends up with Wilson who drives in for a layup he should make.
The big emphasis here should be that Remy pulled his defender away to the 3pt line and gave Wilson a look he wouldn't have had with Harris imo.
10:20 - Remy in. First possession lets Wheeler take a 21 footer going under a screen. Not great D, certainly wasn't pretty, but the results were fine.
9:45 we have the Harris block/charge call. I thought it was a block live. Still do... But idk. Not bad D.
9:30 - This is what @BeddieKU23 was talking about in the other thread. Wheeler is not even guarding Harris at the 3pt line. Helps off on a driving Braun to stop him from getting downhill. This should turn into a layup or a kickout 3 to the corner usually. Instead, Braun is forced to give it to Harris. Luckily, UK does some ball watching and Wheeler does the thing where he runs into a screen as hard as he can (I've literally never seen a guy just so purposefully run into so many screens). Leaves Jalen wide open for 3, and then one more pass gets CB open. Drain the 3. Good ball movement, but not really "offense."
9:15 - Harris stops the drive, textbook D. But such a poor offensive possession before that Jalen had to sprint down the floor and cover Oscar until Dave got back. Ends up having to play recovery D on Toppin. Leads to an easy free throw line jumper.
Have to wonder why Self didn't play KJ a single minute in the 1st half after seeing this. Dave cannot keep up with Oscar up and down the court even if he's giving it his all.
7:34 - Harris has ball up top. We play a 2-man PnR with Dave. Oscar doesn't hedge out to help fully. Harris should either drive and take the shot or he should pass it back out to a WIDE open Jalen at the top of the key for 3. Instead tries to force it to Dave with a mini lob that gets tipped and a TO.
Doesn't lead to points though. Lucky break.
This is essentially me live posting.
I'm just watching Harris & Remy this game. And I'm sure I'm biased on this - so take that fwiw.
Minute markers will be from the ESPN replay https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/77715a93-d5aa-4135-b363-fff17c8ec200 ↗
@BeddieKU23 this is going to make me rewatch this game.
Masochism I know, but I'm really curious now. Won't be the last time this happens and I don't know what the counter is other than to play Remy 35 mpg. Which won't happen.
@BeddieKU23 Do you have links to that? Would love to see
@BeddieKU23 This is majorly disappointing. It just needs to end. From the time the infractions occurred to the point we finally get penalized it'll be nearly 5 years. There won't be a single player still on the roster at KU from when this happened.
@BShark said in Squid Game (Thread):
Udeh has about as much skill as Udoka coming in. Fortunately, he is also an absolute load physically.
Zuby has "projectible" skills at this point and you have to hope he continues to develop. The foundation is there though, he can become a solid shooter.
My biggest fear is that Harris is so unthreatening offensively that having another Doke won't even matter. If we can't draw a help side defender then you can't get the ball to him. We see it now, with Dave. Harris is one of the worst kinds of offensive deficiencies because he isn't a threat at any point in time on offense. Can't take his guy 1v1 and he can't shoot well enough to hold a weakside defender. We have 3 more years of watching him start over superior players. What's worse is that I will be SHOCKED if we land a Top 20 PG with him on this team. This Remy situation is going to be used against us for years (and probably should be).
@Crimsonorblue22 I don’t think anyone ever thought it was your opinion.
Complete meltdown. This weekend sucked
@Crimsonorblue22 I think ultimately the sentiment is that Bill plays worse athletes he feels are more “coachable” or whatever, vs his better athletes.
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The responses to this tweet are a pretty good feeling for where the fan base is after the way last season ended and last night went…
On the other side of this, I love next seasons class.
4 Above the rim players. Probably all of them multi-year guys (if not that is probably a good thing). The Sunrise Pipeline is in full effect and I think we will start to see the caliber of teams we expect to see again
@jayhawks2010 I feel a similar sentiment. I’ve thought that this team with a lucky draw could make a run.
I do still hate watching Cal and K routinely have athletes that we don’t. Doke being bookended by Landen and Dave is crazy. UK had 4 guys who could jump higher than anyone in our team and literally were able to just use athleticism to win vs skill by playing above the rim all game.
As much as people are like “I don’t want OADs” and don’t want to return to the times where we land 4 guys in the top 20, I’m ready to see our roster start playing in ways that other teams just literally can’t stop because we are bigger/stronger/faster/taller than them. 2020 felt like that with Doke and Dot, so I do give Bill a pass for such bad luck. But it’ is still frustrating.
I also do think we need to knock Bill a little here for bringing absolutely nothing to this team with the transfer market. Glaring hole athletically, and we added nothing. Yesterday was frustrating because it felt like UK did everything right this off-season and we didn’t. Added freak athlete freshmen. Added a top tier ATHLETIC C. Found a PG distributor to utilize said athleticism. Added a dead eye shooter to give those athletes space.
We added 2 PGs who don’t play and a D2 C who won’t play a game for us. We added freshman who are all role players (and the only one who can contribute barely plays). We start the worlds clumsiest C and his sub is a 6’7 D2 caliber player.
Absolutely an epic failure at creating a roster.
With all of that negativity said, this team is still good. Bill Self is a top tier in-game coach. They could make noise in the tourney with the right draw and some heroics from Och and Remy. So I’m not ready to count them out.
@RockChalkinTexas said in Squid Game (Thread):
Crowd needs to step it UP
I’m here and the crowd ain’t the issue. They aren’t giving up dunk after dunk.
To see Bill go into a triangle and 2 was sad
@BShark the discrepancy in athleticism is unreal.
To put how much better the pass rush could be next season between these two and Phelps - we had 15 sacks as an entire team last year... LL trying to build a defense through the transfer market and I am HERE for it.
@FarmerJayhawk Woah - 16 sacks and 27 TFL between the 2 last season... That would be legitimately huge to add to this defense
@rockchalkjayhawk Still surprised mock drafts don't have him going #1. I know the other guys in the convo are good, but he's a freak of nature.
@FarmerJayhawk This is is just so sexy.
85 scholly players... When is the last time we had that?
I'm not scared of Oscar. He is going to get his. So that isn't something to measure for a W. He is going for 20 points and 20 rebounds.
The key is keeping Grady from making his 3 three pointers per game. TyTy sounds like he is a go, so it is making him uncomfortable. That really only leaves Brooks, who I think we actually can guard pretty well. If Wheeler beats us by going for 30, I'll live with myself.
Overall, I actually think UK is a good matchup for us? They don't shoot the 3 particularly well. They play a midget PG like us. I think we can get away with playing 2 guards for a decent stretch of the game because Cal won't abuse our size the same way Allen did.
I feel pretty good about Saturday. The nice long break from a tough Big Monday win hopefully provides some fresh legs (looking at you CB). I also think our guys are going to be fired up for this one, so I expect the effort to be there for 40 minutes. I'll be at the game, so part of this may just be me psyching myself up for the game... But I'm not that scared of UK.
@BeddieKU23 Sunrise Christian Pipeline is NICE
This team is so weird. I just can't figure out how good they are.
Legitimately, they have gotten a double digit lead in every game except for two road games. @KSU and @TTU. Otherwise, this team is able to go on runs that ALMOST knock out their opponent. Some of our issues are, in my opinion, Bill doing stupid things with lineups. Some of it I think has also been the drama we've had this season between the Wilson DUI headcasing, and the Remy "injury" drama.
I also can't help but ask, are we THAT bad of a defense? I swear I've seen worse KU defenses than this one. Last season's team (starting 4 of the same 5) had the 12th ranked defense. And I thought there were times last season they looked worse than at any point this year (sans the 1st half of the KSU game). MG was obviously a piece of this, but Harris isn't a slouch defensively.
I watch us get 12 point leads, almost effortlessly, and think "wow this team is so, so good. Could beat anyone in the country" And then I watch them go on a 2-15 run, blow the lead in 3 minutes flat, and have to fight their way back. And I think "wow this team is absolutely losing the first weekend."
My personal ideal rotation the rest of the season goes- with some known Bill Self limitations added in - would have this. Bill will start playing KJ 20 mpg from here on out. This will slow the post feeds which have probably accounted for at least 1/3 of our turnovers this season. It also allows us to run like crazy, which is where this team is at its best. He will find a way to get Remy 28 mpg the rest of the way out, and Remy will start "Newman-ing" here in just a couple of weeks. We absolutely need Remy to become a killer and help us put some teams away early. Avoid mid-game lulls. Turn 12 point leads into 20 instead of watching them evaporate. We need Dave to give us 15 hard minutes a game. And Mitch can have 5. Bill needs to find a way to always keep 3 scorers in the game at one time.
Acceptable lineups:
- Harris/Braun/Ochai/Wilson/BIG
- Remy/Harris/Ochai/Wilson/BIG
- Remy/Harris/Braun/Wilson/BIG
- Remy/Braun/Ochai/JCL/BIG
- Remy/Harris/Ochai/Braun/BIG
NoNo lineups:
- Harris/Braun/JCL/Wilson/BIG
- Harris/Ochai/JCL/Wilson/BIG
- Harris/Remy/JCL/Wilson/BIG
- Any lineup with 2 bigs. Like any of them.
There is absolutely no reason to not have 3 scorers on the floor at one time. None. And by 3 I mean 3 of CB/Och/Remy/Wilson. If Bill can make a rotation where 3 of those 4 are always on the floor, we will run some teams out of the gym.
@BShark said in Post Texas Tech Thoughts.:
If this team makes a FF then Och locks up the rafter spot. He might get there anyway.
He's going to be a 1st team AA. He's in the rafters
@BShark My thoughts are that he is really more of a 30-35 guy at best. And that he will need to really impress in individual workouts and get a promise from someone with some guaranteed money to stay in the draft. Otherwise I think he's back and tries to go scorched earth
@BeddieKU23 said in NBA draft 2022:
Latest mocks out there. Och #12, Christian #29 per ESPN.
Another has Och #11 and CB #39
NBC has Braun going #25 and Och #26 (almost funny if it didn't mean CB was still looked at as a top 60 guy).
SB Nation has Braun #25 and Och #30 (again weird if you've watched Ochai this season).
Bleacher Report has CB at #19 and Ochai #27
Hoops hype has Ochai #18 and CB #53
The Athletic has Ochai #14 and no CB
Kenpom rankings a bit weird this year. Only 2 top 10 defenses in the top 10 teams. And they are 10th and 8th. The fewest of any year.
3 would end up tying it, and there is a lot of season left. But it could be a sign of a wild tourney...
@BeddieKU23 Dropped to 50th D rating on Kenpom....